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Mario movement rumors (MERGED) Signs with Buffalo $100 million

gafftop said:
Simplified possible Mario outcomes next season:
1. Plays good when healthy but has some type of nagging injury as last two years
2. Does not adapt to 3-4.
3. Plays great in his contract year

In 1 we get probably nothing or do we get compensation because we do not sign as we did with Dunta. Last pick in draft. LOL

In 2 same as 1

In 3, do you want to give Mario say 20+ million for the next 5 years based on his last year of performance. Say the cap is 120 million. If you divide in half, half for offense and half for defense, do you really want to give Mario 33% of all money for defense? I sure don't. DO YOU?

In reality probably no player is worth that large of % of cap. Maybe Peyton or Brady etc QBs of that caliber may be the only position that warrants that and even then it is a crap shoot because of injury.

The above is why I think IF you can get a good deal in a trade this year you do it.

It is very likely that other teams view Mario in the same way and will give nothing for him this year. I don't know. But if there are teams out that that covet him I think it should seriously be considered by the Texans.

I don't think Aso is a good deal based on reasoning above.
Just my opinion.
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This was posted back in April 2011 earlier in this thread.

Knowing what we know about the cap hell the Texans were in just makes the above issue about not trading Mario last year an even bigger mistake.

The FO put the future of the Texans at risk just to keep Mario for ONE year.
Teams like New England are too smart to let this happen.

If you thought about it and we knew the numbers like the Texans' FO knew trading Mario last year was a no brainer. Again just my opinion.
 
Brandon420tx said:
Now there are reports that the Bears are going to make a high money offer for them. Ridiculousness. If they get him then I feel bad for Stafford, Peppers and Mario against their OTs
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I wonder why the Bears always ignore their offensive needs every year. I feel sorry for Cutler they are giving the guy no help in the air or protection wise.
 
fiasco west said:
I wonder why the Bears always ignore their offensive needs every year. I feel sorry for Cutler they are giving the guy no help in the air or protection wise.
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How much cap room do the Bears have? Who are they going to pick in the draft?

We can't say the bears are ignoring their offense because they haven't chased Peyton Manning. They still have time.
 
mussop said:
You accuse someone of making assumptions then you turn right around and make 2 or 3 in your next few sentences. And he's actually very accurate on everything he said in that post. What did you think Mario meant when he said he wasn't excited or looking forward to it?

How do you know Watt was BPA on the Texans big board? Maybe what Dale is saying has merit and he was the best available 5 tech. Robert Quin and Ryan Carrigan were both still available and were ranked very high as 3/4 OLB's. If they really wanted an OLB why not draft one of those guys?

There were very suspicious circumstances that led up to the announcement that Mario would be moving to OLB. In fact I started a thread about it at the time. I still believe more went on behind the scenes than was ever let on. Maybe that has something to do with why Mario ever made it to FA in the first place.

In fact I wouldn't be surprised to hear stuff like this start leaking out once he signs with another team. :cowboy1:
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He said he didn't know what he was going to do position wise. Its not like he knew about anything related to how wade would use him. Kerrigan wasn't rated that high on anyones board and quinn was coming off an injury and had character concerns which we knew axed him out the equation. My opinion and assumption based on how many times they talked and visited with smith, he was their top target. A lot of teams had him high because of his age,production,and freakish ability to either standup or put his hand in the dirt. Jmo,if smith would've been there,smith would've been the choice. Jj was probably rated higher and gave the texans more flexibilty than quinn,kerrigan,imo.

I didn't think mario could play olb until I saw him at camp moving fluid and looking natural at the posistion. When the texans would have 3rd and long,it was mostly a 4 man front with mario and barwin at de. Jmo,if smith or watt would've went down,I think mario would move to 5 tech,but dale doesn't think so. I guess after tommorrow we won't have this thread either way.
 
Yeah heard it was wondering when it would pop up here lol.

I don't think that is a good fit for Mario. He's going to have a ton of pressure to produce if he goes there.
 
Ryan said:
That means he's all about the $$$
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LOL. Not that he won't sign there, but let's not overreact here. It's only in his best interest (and Myers) to test the waters and get an idea of what other teams would be willing to give him. Or to meet their front office. Chances are Mario is going to get paid some ungodly amount by a team and I'm not going to fault him for taking the $18MM per year when the Texans would only give him $12MM.
 
Ryan said:
That means he's all about the $$$
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The Bills were doing pretty well early on last season. They were looking good until their Center went down for the year, and Fred Jackson mid-season as well.

In any case, I expect them to offer him Julius Peppers type money. He may not take it, but use it as leverage against the Patriots who are also interested in him. Either way, if he's gone, I hope Peyton goes to the same division so he can face him twice a year :)
 
He can take his ass to any of those teams. I'd hate for him to be on the Jags, but if he puts them in cap hell....then so be it.

I'll probably get flamed for it, but I don't think Mario is worth the money that he wants. The guy as all the potential in the world. He's a physical freak of a specimen. But, in my opinion, I don't think he's worth what he wants or will get on the market. I don't think the guy has a high intensity motor and it seems like he's always fighting through injuries. I know that injuries are part of the NFL, but it seems like we use them as an excuse for him. It's always the "yeah, but...." when it comes to his production. I don't think you pay someone that kind of dough with the "yeah, but...." added to his resume.

OK.....flame away. :nolisten:
 
Cjeremy635 said:
He can take his ass to any of those teams. I'd hate for him to be on the Jags, but if he puts them in cap hell....then so be it.

I'll probably get flamed for it, but I don't think Mario is worth the money that he wants. The guy as all the potential in the world. He's a physical freak of a specimen. But, in my opinion, I don't think he's worth what he wants or will get on the market. I don't think the guy has a high intensity motor and it seems like he's always fighting through injuries. I know that injuries are part of the NFL, but it seems like we use them as an excuse for him. It's always the "yeah, but...." when it comes to his production. I don't think you pay someone that kind of dough with the "yeah, but...." added to his resume.

OK.....flame away. :nolisten:
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I thought you were spot on.
 
Cjeremy635 said:
He can take his ass to any of those teams. I'd hate for him to be on the Jags, but if he puts them in cap hell....then so be it.

I'll probably get flamed for it, but I don't think Mario is worth the money that he wants. The guy as all the potential in the world. He's a physical freak of a specimen. But, in my opinion, I don't think he's worth what he wants or will get on the market. I don't think the guy has a high intensity motor and it seems like he's always fighting through injuries. I know that injuries are part of the NFL, but it seems like we use them as an excuse for him. It's always the "yeah, but...." when it comes to his production. I don't think you pay someone that kind of dough with the "yeah, but...." added to his resume.

OK.....flame away. :nolisten:
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Well said!
 
Cjeremy635 said:
He can take his ass to any of those teams. I'd hate for him to be on the Jags, but if he puts them in cap hell....then so be it.

I'll probably get flamed for it, but I don't think Mario is worth the money that he wants. The guy as all the potential in the world. He's a physical freak of a specimen. But, in my opinion, I don't think he's worth what he wants or will get on the market. I don't think the guy has a high intensity motor and it seems like he's always fighting through injuries. I know that injuries are part of the NFL, but it seems like we use them as an excuse for him. It's always the "yeah, but...." when it comes to his production. I don't think you pay someone that kind of dough with the "yeah, but...." added to his resume.

OK.....flame away. :nolisten:
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Wow, what a flamming ******.
 
Michael Lombardi ‏ @michaelombardi

Sounds like the Bears wont get Mario Williams, the deal is getting too rich and appears the Bills are in the lead--with the most money
 
fiasco west said:
Michael Lombardi ‏ @michaelombardi

Sounds like the Bears wont get Mario Williams, the deal is getting too rich and appears the Bills are in the lead--with the most money
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Well, if he doesn't produce for the mountain of money some team is going to throw at him.....then he better get some thicker skin. He got butt hurt over the comments around here from the fans and the media. If a team is throwing every thing & the kitchen sink at you to come in and produce and you don't deliver, well then prepare for an ass reaming of epic proportions. Plus, the media up north is nothing like the nice soft folks over at 610. He'll be crying himself to sleep at night.
 
Cjeremy635 said:
Well, if he doesn't produce for the mountain of money some team is going to throw at him.....then he better get some thicker skin. He got butt hurt over the comments around here from the fans and the media. If a team is throwing every thing & the kitchen sink at you to come in and produce and you don't deliver, well then prepare for an ass reaming of epic proportions. Plus, the media up north is nothing like the nice soft folks over at 610. He'll be crying himself to sleep at night.
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When did he ever get upset? And I think he has already developed some pretty thick skin after they way he entered this league as the world's unconsensus #1 pick
 
Lol if he signs with the Bills. I won't blame him if he's going after the money (why wouldn't you?) but be prepared to be owned by the Pats year in year out.
 
I'd be pissed at Mario for taking the money. Dude spent his whole career thus far on an underachieving, generally-embarrassing, heartbreaking franchise.

Yeah, go ahead, go to another one. Idiot.

If you're gonna leave for some more money, fine. Just go somewhere that can also offer you some semblance of a shred of winning too.

I guess these athletes don't think the way I do.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
I'd be pissed at Mario for taking the money. Dude spent his whole career thus far on an underachieving, generally-embarrassing, heartbreaking franchise.

Yeah, go ahead, go to another one. Idiot.

If you're gonna leave for some more money, fine. Just go somewhere that can also offer you some semblance of a shred of winning too.

I guess these athletes don't think the way I do.
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I kinda agree.

I mean he spent his entire career playing for a losing team.

At least Nnamdi went to a team that most thought of as a contender AND for the Money.

If he were going to the Bears or Patriots then I'd say..."Yeah if I were him I might make the same choice."

But it's risky to go to the Bills, especially when the Patriots are in the same division. If he leaves to go there then whatever.
 
fiasco west said:
I kinda agree.

I mean he spent his entire career playing for a losing team.

At least Nnamdi went to a team that most thought of as a contender AND for the Money.

If he were going to the Bears or Patriots then I'd say..."Yeah if I were him I might make the same choice."

But it's risky to go to the Bills, especially when the Patriots are in the same division. If he leaves to go there then whatever.
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He's visiting. Probably going to visit a few teams to get a good sense of what he is worth, before he decides where he wants to go.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
I'd be pissed at Mario for taking the money. Dude spent his whole career thus far on an underachieving, generally-embarrassing, heartbreaking franchise.

Yeah, go ahead, go to another one. Idiot.

If you're gonna leave for some more money, fine. Just go somewhere that can also offer you some semblance of a shred of winning too.

I guess these athletes don't think the way I do.
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Unfortunately, they only think the way you do when they are in the twilight of their careers. They made the money but something is missing. The ring! Usually, it is too late by that time.
 
I'm 100 % confident the Texans are going to re-sign Mario Williams when it's all said and done. What is so wrong with him meeting with other teams? Let him see what else is out there. Just a business at the end of the day. I'm a big Mario Willams fan and he has a great thing going in Houston with Wade Phillips' defense.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
I'd be pissed at Mario for taking the money. Dude spent his whole career thus far on an underachieving, generally-embarrassing, heartbreaking franchise.

Yeah, go ahead, go to another one. Idiot.

If you're gonna leave for some more money, fine. Just go somewhere that can also offer you some semblance of a shred of winning too.

I guess these athletes don't think the way I do.
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I see where you're coming from but keep in mind the Bills started off pretty well last year. The Dolphins and Jets really aren't very good. The Patriots - well, they're the Patriots. I don't think the Bills are the sucktitude that they once were. The NFL goes in cycles. There will be a time when the Pats aren't king. Just like when the 49'ers declined, Broncos declined, etc.
 
I understand. But I thought the Bills' good start last year was kind of fool's gold even despite the injuries that derailed it.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
I'm 100 % confident the Texans are going to re-sign Mario Williams when it's all said and done. What is so wrong with him meeting with other teams? Let him see what else is out there. Just a business at the end of the day. I'm a big Mario Willams fan and he has a great thing going in Houston with Wade Phillips' defense.
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When he sees the insane amount of money out there, amounts we can't come close to matching makes me think he's gone.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I see where you're coming from but keep in mind the Bills started off pretty well last year. The Dolphins and Jets really aren't very good. The Patriots - well, they're the Patriots. I don't think the Bills are the sucktitude that they once were. The NFL goes in cycles. There will be a time when the Pats aren't king. Just like when the 49'ers declined, Broncos declined, etc.
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Over Bill's dead body.
 
If all of these cuts weren't to sign Mario, and if it appears that Chris Myers is gone, then what's the point to all of this? What's the point of all this frantic cap-clearing?

Did Manning's people float a number by Rick Smith that he's trying to hit?
 
TheMatrix31 said:
I understand. But I thought the Bills' good start last year was kind of fool's gold even despite the injuries that derailed it.
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Can they win 10 games in 2012?
Home: Miami Dolphins, New England Patriots, New York Jets, Jacksonville Jaguars, Tennessee Titans, Kansas City Chiefs, St. Louis Rams, Seattle Seahawks

Away: Miami Dolphins, New England Patriots, New York Jets, Houston Texans, Indianapolis Colts,Cleveland Browns, Arizona Cardinals, San Francisco 49ers
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That's 11 winable games in bold.
 
Texans outside linebacker Mario Williams will make his first visit to the Buffalo Bills.

The Bills are loaded with cap space, and they’re switching from a 3-4 to a 4-3 and need to bolster their pass rush.

The Texans were unable to sign Williams before free agency began at 3 p.m. Tuesday.

Taking his first visit to Buffalo rather than Chicago, which apparently has dropped out of the running, means the Bills should have the inside track and may not let him get away before signing him as early as Wednesday.

Owner Bob McNair said he hoped their free agents would give the Texans a chance to match their offers, but that doesn’t happen often.

“We’d like to have Mario,” McNair said at a news conference after his hour-long appearance on the Texans All-Access Show on Sports Radio 610.

“Unfortunately, a lot of other teams would like to have him, too. It depends on how much they’re willing to pay. We have (salary cap) limitations that constrain us, but we’re going to do everything we possibly can to keep him here.

Williams could become the highest-paid defensive player in NFL history.
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http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2012/03/mario-williams-plans-trip-to-buffalo-after-not-reaching-a-deal-with-texans/
 
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