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Peyton Manning Derby (Signs with Broncos)

There is no link. Its just info you can choose to believe if you'd like. If not trust me its no sweat off of my back. But it does come from someone who's very much attached to the situation in a sense.

I'll just say the Lone Star state hasn't been as silent as everyone would like to believe.

Then spit it out already. Who told you or from whom did you hear this super secretive news from?

Was it on some radio show? TV show? Blog? A friend of yours who knows people?

Because honestly, nobody is doing anything but rolling their eyes at you right now.

That's why people call B.S. on posts like yours, btw. And it's no sweat off our backs either to call B.S. Either you fess up and tell us what you can, or you're just saying stuff nobody here could prove true OR false.

Wasting our time up in here.
 
Then spit it out already. Who told you or from whom did you hear this super secretive news from?

Was it on some radio show? TV show? Blog? A friend of yours who knows people?

Because honestly, nobody is doing anything but rolling their eyes at you right now.

That's why people call B.S. on posts like yours, btw. And it's no sweat off our backs either to call B.S. Either you fess up and tell us what you can, or you're just saying stuff nobody here could prove true OR false.

Wasting our time up in here.


Calm down GP....... If you're getting that worked up over it then there's something wrong. There are a few people on here who I'm sure know where and who its coming from because they approached me in the right way on past topics, but if you'd like to call BS then you're well within your rights for that.

I've never read anything on a message board and taken it more than what it is. Either I believed it or I didn't. It was told to me by someone who shares the same agent as Peyton, and has interest in where he intends to go.
 
Something (perhaps just hope) tells me this will not end well...
Tennessee Titans owner Bud Adams wants to sign free agent quarterback Peyton Manning and is willing to do "whatever it takes" to sign the four-time MVP, Jim Wyatt of The Tennessean reports.
"He is the man I want. Period,” Adams said. "And the people that work for me understand that. They know who I want. I want Mr. Manning with the Titans and I will be disappointed if it doesn’t happen."
LINK
 
Tennessee Titans owner Bud Adams wants to sign Peyton Manning

When asked about other teams that appear to be better situations for Manning Adams repled, "F-'em."

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j/k
 
So it's my imagination that he didn't finish the 07,08,or the 2011 season?
Schaub finished the '08 season, starting the last 4 games. Matt had started 46 games straight prior to breaking his foot in Tampa.
 
Calm down GP....... If you're getting that worked up over it then there's something wrong. There are a few people on here who I'm sure know where and who its coming from because they approached me in the right way on past topics, but if you'd like to call BS then you're well within your rights for that.

I've never read anything on a message board and taken it more than what it is. Either I believed it or I didn't. It was told to me by someone who shares the same agent as Peyton, and has interest in where he intends to go.


If you have a legitimate source, the best practice would be to have that source and yourself verified through a moderator.
 
If you have a legitimate source, the best practice would be to have that source and yourself verified through a moderator.

Why? Our moderators are fans like us. They have no official affliction with the team. They are here on their own free time in search of the same thing we are... friendly discussion.
 
If you have a legitimate source, the best practice would be to have that source and yourself verified through a moderator.


Lol, dude this is a message board...... Its not USA Today. Like I told GP if someone were to call BS on it then that's totally on them. If someone feels like its a waste of their time then I apologize for taking the 20 seconds out of their life that it would take to read that post. There are some people who know the source. If the mods would like to know they're more than free to PM me.
 
Calm down GP....... If you're getting that worked up over it then there's something wrong. There are a few people on here who I'm sure know where and who its coming from because they approached me in the right way on past topics, but if you'd like to call BS then you're well within your rights for that.

I've never read anything on a message board and taken it more than what it is. Either I believed it or I didn't. It was told to me by someone who shares the same agent as Peyton, and has interest in where he intends to go.

All you had to do was post the last sentence, pal.

I'm not worked up over it. I'm a bit baffled you can't just say how you gained the info without pulling all the horsecrap antics along the way.

Was it THAT hard? LOL. Most people would have included that bit of info from the outset, but you had to play the whole "If you don't believe me then blah blah blah..." angle. Junior high hour around here...
 
Schaub finished the '08 season, starting the last 4 games. Matt had started 46 games straight prior to breaking his foot in Tampa.

My bad. He still missed 5 starts in 08, just like in 07, and 6 starts in 2011. All in all he has missed worked 20% of the time.

Chris Chandler thinks this guy gets hurt a lot.
 
Lol, dude this is a message board...... Its not USA Today. Like I told GP if someone were to call BS on it then that's totally on them. If someone feels like its a waste of their time then I apologize for taking the 20 seconds out of their life that it would take to read that post. There are some people who know the source. If the mods would like to know they're more than free to PM me.

Why be such a doosh about this?

Did I say you're full of B.S.? No, I said "spit out how you learned it, OR I think it's B.S."

Look at how much Internet ink you could have saved if you had only said "I know a guy who shares same agent as Manning, and he told me...".

So easy, or so it seems. LOL.
 
All you had to do was post the last sentence, pal.

I'm not worked up over it. I'm a bit baffled you can't just say how you gained the info without pulling all the horsecrap antics along the way.

Was it THAT hard? LOL. Most people would have included that bit of info from the outset, but you had to play the whole "If you don't believe me then blah blah blah..." angle. Junior high hour around here...

You're reading way too much into that..... And Junior High? Alright GP..... Keep it classy my friend.
 
Why be such a doosh about this?

Did I say you're full of B.S.? No, I said "spit out how you learned it, OR I think it's B.S."

Look at how much Internet ink you could have saved if you had only said "I know a guy who shares same agent as Manning, and he told me...".

So easy, or so it seems. LOL.


Who's being a doosh? Wow, there's no need to even respond to that. Like I said, you stay classy.
 
Who's being a doosh? Wow, there's no need to even respond to that. Like I said, you stay classy.

I inboxed you, replying to your message you had left me.

Yeah, all u had to do is speak in generalities about it...but you didn't. We either had to trust you or we were losers for geeking you about it.

Like I said, all you had to do is what you finally ended up doing once you were challenged to elaborate on your teaser post.

So much hullabaloo for what could have been so simple from the beginning, right?
 
There is no link. Its just info you can choose to believe if you'd like. If not trust me its no sweat off of my back. But it does come from someone who's very much attached to the situation in a sense.

I'll just say the Lone Star state hasn't been as silent as everyone would like to believe.

That indicates either Dallas or Houston. I have heard no talk of either team inquiring about Manning.
 
I inboxed you, replying to your message you had left me.

Yeah, all u had to do is speak in generalities about it...but you didn't. We either had to trust you or we were losers for geeking you about it.

Like I said, all you had to do is what you finally ended up doing once you were challenged to elaborate on your teaser post.

So much hullabaloo for what could have been so simple from the beginning, right?

I hear ya GP, I hear ya! :tiphat:
 
Evan Silva ‏ @evansilva Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Denver Post reports #Seahawks & #Chiefs "are out" of the hunt for Peyton Manning. He declined both teams' overtures:
 
My bad. He still missed 5 starts in 08, just like in 07, and 6 starts in 2011. All in all he has missed worked 20% of the time.

Chris Chandler thinks this guy gets hurt a lot.

As I've said before, the guy in your avatar (Andre, not the punk a$$ b*tch with the bloody lip), has played in 63 games the past 5 years compared to 64 games for Schaub. You ready to lay that same criticism on Dre?
 
Evan Silva ‏ @evansilva Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Denver Post reports #Seahawks & #Chiefs "are out" of the hunt for Peyton Manning. He declined both teams' overtures:

Smart man. Neither one of those franchises are going anywhere fast.
 
Smart man. Neither one of those franchises are going anywhere fast.

Meh, I think the Chiefs have some pretty decent pieces, and I wouldn't say Arizona, Miami or Denver really blow them out of the water when we're not including the QB position.
 
As I've said before, the guy in your avatar (Andre, not the punk a$$ b*tch with the bloody lip), has played in 63 games the past 5 years compared to 64 games for Schaub. You ready to lay that same criticism on Dre?

Well I would venture to say most fans are ready to draft a wr to eventually replace Andre......so yes it is the same, the difference is only 1 qb plays on game days where we have numerous wr's playing, so Andre will stay be valuable to us
 
You are correct in saying that you haven't. Up until last night I hadn't either.

As many as 12 teams were initially interested in Peyton.

Was Houston one of those, and so that's the news you're hearing from your source, or are the Texans a very "new" entry into the equation here?

I just wonder why he would visit the Broncos and the Cards first/second instead of Houston and Dallas (particularly Houston, obviously) first and foremost? Then again, in the game of sales...you want to be the last person the customer speaks with--Meaning it might be wise of the Texans to let other teams give their pitch and then WE are the last ones he meets with. Just a theory.
 
Both sides engaged in extensive football discussions, including film study, an evaluation of the current roster, as well as organizational discussions related to the salary cap, sources said. Manning also had the opportunity to speak with both teams' owners and top executives and other select members of the coaching staffs. Cardinals All-Pro receiver Larry Fitzgerald was present at a dinner Saturday night hosted at the home of Whisenhunt and during a portion of the meetings at the team's facility Sunday, per sources.

link here. Lots of good stuff in there.

Can you guys envision Kubiak engaging in this sort of thing with Manning IF they hosted Manning for a visit in Houston??? I don't think Kubiak would.

Hey Darth Vader, we're building a new base here on this planet and wondered if you'd like to examine the plans and discuss our personnel and such. Oh you will? Fantastic! I mean, you're shopping yourself around to other suitors...so we know this is confidential and you'd never use it against us. You're the man! Thanks!

Kubiak would rather wear a Longhorn shirt than let Peyton Manning come in and discuss the Texans roster, the plans, etc. No way in hell would he do that just for the chance to maybe land #18 for 2 or 3 years. LOL.
 
At this point, If Peyton has rebuffed Chiefs, Browns, Skins, and Seahwaks, I doubt he would go to Tennessee. That is my nightmare scenario as Texans fan. As long as we were one of the 12 teams that gave his people a call, I'll be fine with their decision. But if he lands in TN, I will be more than a little pissed.

Matt Schaub's injury worries me as much, if not more, than Peyton's injury. I love Schaub but he gets injured and he will now be even more vulnerable to injury due to nature of LesFranc injury and will probably not be able to move around as well as he did pre-injury. And he wasn't elusive to begin with. Ask Marino about being a sitting duck after his Achilles injury. He got killed those last two years.
 
I have to think that if Schaub's recovery wasn't looking promising, then McNair wouldn't be sitting on his hands during this whole Peyton ordeal. Especially with division rivals trying to get ahold of him. Smith and McNair would be leading the charge to find a replacement and waiting for the opportunity when they could cut Schaub to save enough money to either sign Mario or another QB. If it was looking like we were heading into next year with Yates as our only QB (surely Leinart will be cut) and we weren't actively trying to sign somebody, then I'd have serious doubts about our FO.
 
I have to think that if Schaub's recovery wasn't looking promising, then McNair wouldn't be sitting on his hands during this whole Peyton ordeal

I've seen this organization sit on it's hands plenty of times waiting on a player to get healthy.

I do not trust the Texans at all when it comes to injuries and expected return dates.
 
I've seen this organization sit on it's hands plenty of times waiting on a player to get healthy.

I do not trust the Texans at all when it comes to injuries and expected return dates.

Such as...?

Tony Boselli - Old regime.

Benni Joppru - Old regime.

Domanick Williams/Davis - Put him on IR, cut him immediately following 2006 season.

Steve Slaton - They gave him multiple chances, but still acquired talent at his position up until ultimately releasing him.

Charles Spencer - Ditto.

Owen Daniels - They went apescat in the draft preparing for his replacement.

Who else? The only one that really comes to mind is Ahman Green, who was a turd from the get-go, but considering the amount of money they invested in him, I guess they had to see it through.

In most cases, it wasn't a position as important as QB, it was a position of depth where we could afford to wait and see what was going to happen. We can't really afford to flush this season down the toilet waiting on a QB.

And beyond that, what makes you think that in any of these cases they held onto a guy who has a bad medical prognosis? Can you substantiate that claim? They give their guys plenty of chances to prove themselves, yes, but they don't hold onto people who are ruled medically invalid.
 
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As many as 12 teams were initially interested in Peyton.

Was Houston one of those, and so that's the news you're hearing from your source, or are the Texans a very "new" entry into the equation here?

I just wonder why he would visit the Broncos and the Cards first/second instead of Houston and Dallas (particularly Houston, obviously) first and foremost? Then again, in the game of sales...you want to be the last person the customer speaks with--Meaning it might be wise of the Texans to let other teams give their pitch and then WE are the last ones he meets with. Just a theory.


To be honest there wasn't a time period discussed about when there was communication. I just know that since he was released that there has been some communication between the 2 parties. So he's not even sure if there is some serious consideration is being shown, but there is or was at least a slight level of interest. And yes its both Texas teams involved.

I got the sense he knows more than what I was told, but I guess we'll all let the situation play out. He did say he doesn't see him going to Denver though. No mention of anything about the visits and that whole situation, but there are people among his reps that are trying to slow him down and not rush to make a decision right away. He didn't speak too favorably about Rick Smith though and what people in the league think of him. I'll just be glad when all of this is over and the speculation can end.
 
Can you guys envision Kubiak engaging in this sort of thing with Manning IF they hosted Manning for a visit in Houston??? I don't think Kubiak would.

Where the hell do you get that? That is exactly the discussion any team is going to have with Manning and particularly a QB offense oriented guy like Kubiak. Truth is offensive players don't study opposing offenses much. Plus one of the huge issues of contemplating Manning would be his comfort with our offensive system because Kubiak is not going to turn around and install the Indy playbook. He would absolutely sell the personnel (it is absurd to believe he wouldn't be saying here is your new Dallas Clark, OD, here is your improved Reggie Wayne, AJ and here is your work horse RB who will protect you in passing and is a great receiving threat - oh and a road grading OL who with your quick release will keep you clean) and make sure Manning would be comfortable running something close to our system probably with a statement of "yeah you are a future hall of famer and we will tweak to take advantage of your strengths but we are going to run our system, here lets look at it, discuss it and see if you are comfortable with it and discuss what tweaks you might want."
 
How does Matt improve by us running the ball more? Using him less means he will improve? :thinking:
Note: I neither agree, nor disagree, just trying to clarify

In that instance, having a running game would open up the passing game, allowing Matt to become a more effective QB

At least that's how I would understand the logic
 
And beyond that, what makes you think that in any of these cases they held onto a guy who has a bad medical prognosis? Can you substantiate that claim? They give their guys plenty of chances to prove themselves, yes, but they don't hold onto people who are ruled medically invalid.

What are you talking about? No I can't substantiate a claim that I did not make. Sorry.

I said:

I've seen this organization sit on it's hands plenty of times waiting on a player to get healthy.

I do not trust the Texans at all when it comes to injuries and expected return dates.

I said "I've seen the organization"...I didn't say anything about this regime.

Also, I didn't say anything about a player being ruled "medically invalid".

Please, if we are going to chop it up, stay on topic and stick to what I said. No need to add anything else in there.

When I say I don't trust the organization's medical diagnosis' I am referring to the times when they have given a projected return date for a player only to have that player not return on that day, or in Andre's case, return too early and end up getting hurt again..

But I specifically mentioned "expected return dates" in my initial response so I'm not sure why you started ranting about whatever you are ranting about.
 
Polian just said Denver looks very good. Talked about only having to drive to the 35 yardline up there to get a score.

Said doubtful Peyton will go to Eli's conference, and no way to Eli's division.
 
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I've seen this organization sit on it's hands plenty of times waiting on a player to get healthy.

I do not trust the Texans at all when it comes to injuries and expected return dates.

I think you're overreacting a bit here, and may be naive in thinking this is a Texans-only issue... This happens in a lot of organizations in different sports... You want your investments to work out, and sometimes you have to give them more time than you'd like.. also, i think you may be highlighting one or two instances when there are more that go the other way under the current regime... Slaton seemed to be a dang good draft pick, but one injury year had the Texans taking a RB in the second round... OD is injured and we draft/pick-up 100 TEs... Though he hadn't missed a lot of games, Mario had injury problems all of the time it seemed, so we drafted/picked up a couple of OLBs to not only add depth, but to be there incase Mario didn't work out at OLB (and good we did)...

As for predicting the return times etc..., again, i think you're overreacting and are probably being naive thinking this is just a Texans problem... Did they miss the mark on Dre's injury this year? Yes! One week off on Foster? Yes... But they nailed the minimum on Manning and Bresiel/Bryezel/whatev...

No team is perfect with the stuff you discuss, and that for sure includes the Texans, but they're not as horrible as you seem to believe...
 
How does Matt improve by us running the ball more? Using him less means he will improve? :thinking:

Do you not understand that any quarterback who has an effective running game at his disposal will be more successful overall?

Our offense is built almost entirely around the boot and play-action. If Arian is gashing people for 5 YPC, Matt's job becomes that much easier.

The point is that Matt is a good QB on his own merits, he didn't need a running game to play well, as we found out in 2009. So, add in a deadly ground game, and we become even more successful. We can then control the clock, which helps our defense, and our redzone scoring percentage also goes up. RZ% is a stat that is almost always reflective of how good a team's running game is, and never a reflection of quarterback play.

This has been proven true for almost every Superbowl winning team ever. Even now during the era of the pitch and catch. You simply cannot win a Superbowl unless your team is somewhat balanced. Peyton Manning went bananas in 2004, 2005, and 2006, but it wasn't until the Colts had their best running game and defense (2007) that he finally won a superbowl. New England's Superbowls came on the backs of mostly their running game (2001 and 2004) and defense (2003 and 2004). Tom Brady's historic seasons proved ultimately fruitless in the pursuit of a championship (2008, 2012). The two teams that had almost no running game that won a Superbowl, the Saints and Packers, had decidedly outstanding defenses.

So, in conclusion, we're lucky we have a QB that can throw for almost 5000 yards and lead a top 5 offense on his own. But wins, not stats, are the goal here. We'll get to our championship quicker with a more balanced team.
 
What are you talking about?

My original post dealt with them specifically holding onto players too long with bad medical prognosis, you countered that claim saying you had "seen them sit on their hands". Why would you respond to my post about them holding onto people with a negative medical outlook if that is NOT what you were talking to/about? If that was not what you were talking about, then you shouldn't have responded to my post.

No I can't substantiate a claim that I did not make. Sorry.

So how did they "sit on their hands" during any of these times? I need you to substantiate why you think the Texans, as an org (regime... whatever), would "sit on their hands" while Matt is healing. What makes you think/believe that?


Your extra point about not trusting their ability to get start/return dates right is completely irrelevant; unless you believe it involves them holding onto players with a bad medical outlook too long.
 
Note: I neither agree, nor disagree, just trying to clarify

In that instance, having a running game would open up the passing game, allowing Matt to become a more effective QB

At least that's how I would understand the logic

In fact, our running game was starting to excel and Matt was looking great during the 5 game winning streak except for a token int here or there.
 
So how did they "sit on their hands" during any of these times? I need you to substantiate why you think the Texans, as an org (regime... whatever), would "sit on their hands" while Matt is healing. What makes you think/believe that?
Note: Again, not that I agree or disagree, just clarifying

I think "sit on their hands" was meant as "seemed to be idle in looking for other possible alternatives". E.g. It seemed as the Texans were putting all their eggs in the "player get healthy" basket.

I could be completely wrong on that one though
 
Note: Again, not that I agree or disagree, just clarifying

I think "sit on their hands" was meant as "seemed to be idle in looking for other possible alternatives". E.g. It seemed as the Texans were putting all their eggs in the "player get healthy" basket.

I could be completely wrong on that one though

Yes, that is exactly what was meant, and that is exactly what I'm asking him to substantiate. What past actions can he point to in order to validate this claim? I can't think of any instance where the Texans sat idly by waiting on a player, especially one of great importance or one with a less-than-probable chance to recover, to get healthy, while something like free agency was going on, the draft coming up, or the trade deadline approaching. This regime has been fairly proactive in shopping for, and auditioning replacements for injured players (Slaton, Daniels, Spencer, etc). I have no reason to believe that if Matt's outlook is anything less than good, that they wouldn't be actively looking at contingency plans.
 
Chris Mortensen ‏ @mortreport Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Peyton Manning will meet w Dolphins coach Joe Philbin & Titans coach Mike Munchak during next 3 days, scheduled away from team facilities.
 
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