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Realistically, is AJ going to the hall of fame??

Realistically, will AJ get a yellow jacket based on his career to date

  • Yes

    Votes: 112 62.9%

  • No

    Votes: 66 37.1%
  • Total voters
    178
Maddict5

Maddict5

Hall of Fame
We all love him and for a while there it seemed like he was destined for canton but when you see guys like carter and reed cant make it, does aj have a realistic shot at getting in esp with the way the league is getting pass happy and more wrs are putting up prolific numbers

carter: 1101 rec, 13,899 yds, 130 tds
aj: 706 rec, 9656 yds, 52 tds

tbh eventhough he should have a few good seasons left, i cant see him making it (as much as I want him to). imo his lack of tds will hurt him when its all time to make his case.....
 
From what he's done so far? No.

But he has the talent if he can keep it going without more injuries and the Texans win some playoff games WITH his help.
 
Maddict5 said:
We all love him and for a while there it seemed like he was destined for canton but when you see guys like carter and reed cant make it, does aj have a realistic shot at getting in esp with the way the league is getting pass happy and more wrs are putting up prolific numbers

carter: 1101 rec, 13,899 yds, 130 tds
aj: 706 rec, 9656 yds, 52 tds

tbh eventhough he should have a few good seasons left, i cant see him making it (as much as I want him to). imo his lack of tds will hurt him when its all time to make his case.....
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The argument can be made that he did most of that while spending 4 years with David Carr at QB.

I think Carter doesn't make it because of his past. Which sux because there are some punks in that HOF but because they played in New York etc....they get in.

IMO Andre is alot like Earl Campbell, he doesn't have quite the playoff success but he's got the stats that do not lie and great things happened for Earl because Earl did great things for others.
 
He wasn't just a game chagner, he was a gname changer. Yes he gets in. Ask Innegan.

Mike
 
We could also argue that AJ was on a team that had one of the worse offensive lines in history (QB is guilty for that too).
 
Bet the bank on it !
AJ right now in his career is a marginal selection for the NFL HOF, but there's this little thing called politics, which is always with us. The thing is the Texans have now been in existance for 10 years and owner Bob McNair will put pressure on the league to admit the first member to the Hall from his franchise. And nobody else, present or past Texan player, is nearly as qualified as AJ.
I'm thinking that it's a 5 year waiting period after a player finishes his career before he's eligible for election to the HOF, so it will be 15 years + before the Texans have their first HOFamer. You can count on it, AJ goes in as soon as he's eligible.
 
You mean like 5 of his 9 seasons that he played all 16 games and in two of the 4 years that he didn't, he played in 13. He's only had two seasons that he missed major time. This past season and in 2007 missing 9 and 7 games respectively.

Thats not that bad for someone who plays as physically as AJ does. Ask that linebacker from Arizona and Innegan.
 
Love me some AJ, but no, he's not a HOFer at this point. If Chris Carter and Tim Brown can't make it in, how will AJ?

They both have over 100 TDs. AJ barely has over 50. His reception and yardage number should be on par after a few more seasons. But his TD numbers will never catch up to HOF type numbers. He'll have to kick ass in the yardage department in order to make it in, imo.

I'm in no way blaming AJ for the lack of TD production. We all know what he's had to deal with in his career
 
HOU-TEX said:
Love me some AJ, but no, he's not a HOFer at this point. If Chris Carter and Tim Brown can't make it in, how will AJ?

They both have over 100 TDs. AJ barely has over 50. His reception and yardage number should be on par after a few more seasons. But his TD numbers will never catch up to HOF type numbers. He'll have to kick ass in the yardage department in order to make it in, imo.

I'm in no way blaming AJ for the lack of TD production. We all know what he's had to deal with in his career
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Don't..... Don't..... Don't say it! :headhurts:
 
No. AJ is not in the top 25 in receptions. Also if Tim Brown (14th) and Cris Carter (3rd) are not in the hall of fame then you have to figure you are going to have to be better than those guys to make it in or have some rings like Michael Irving.
 
TEXANRED said:
No. AJ is not in the top 25 in receptions. Also if Tim Brown (14th) and Cris Carter (3rd) are not in the hall of fame then you have to figure you are going to have to be better than those guys to make it in or have some rings like Michael Irving.
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I think his case is marginal as of right now, as well. But let's not forget that he is currently the all-time leader in YPG. In my opion, that speaks volumes over his lack of TDs considering the offenses he has worked with in the past.

The downside I can see right now is that he didn't take over in the playoffs like Fitzgerald did. Voters are finniky and won't care who the QB was. These guys want "I am playing like they need to invent an even more competitive league" performances. That, and they're just stupid sometimes with their reasoning of why certain guys shouldn't get in.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Oooh trust me, I'm not. I get the rumbling feeling of a regurgitation when I think of those wasted years.
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HOU-TEX said:
Love me some AJ, but no, he's not a HOFer at this point. If Chris Carter and Tim Brown can't make it in, how will AJ?

They both have over 100 TDs. AJ barely has over 50. His reception and yardage number should be on par after a few more seasons. But his TD numbers will never catch up to HOF type numbers. He'll have to kick ass in the yardage department in order to make it in, imo.

I'm in no way blaming AJ for the lack of TD production. We all know what he's had to deal with in his career
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My thoughts, as well.

My heart says yes, but my mind says no. The HoF voters are clearly biased against WRs right now, and that trend will only continue as the NFL has changed rules to become a pass happy league. And if Chris Carter / Tim Brown are not in with their careers achieved before these pass-friendly revisions, I just don't see the voters giving AJ a pass.

And by the time AJ retires and waits his 5 years, there will most likely be a bottle-neck of WRs waiting to get in.

I hate to say it, but unless the HoF voters feel sorry for H-town (which is doubtful), I think AJ will have to wait a very long time to be inducted.
 
Not one year with double digit TDs...compared to the WRs of this era, he's not producing the numbers. WE know he's great, but he's been hamstrung by ****ty QBs, conservative offensive playcalling in the red zone and injuries. He'll need a few transcendent years of being the best WR in the league in order to get in, unfortunately.
 
Let's bring in Peyton Manning to get him the ball and he'll get in the HOF for sure with a few great years. :doot:

Sorry, couldn't resist.
 
If players like Art Monk can get in, considering how important AJ is to this franchise and the fact that he is held in high regard over HWSNBN (who was the first pick in the franchise's history) is a testament to his abilities and his on the field and of the field work.
 
Honestly, the way the hall of fame voters treat WRs, none of them can be true locks even if they should be.
 
I think what hurts his chances is touchdowns....lack of.....
If he stays healthy and brings his touchdown total up...and gets to a Superbowl and has a game like Fitzgerald had like vs the Steelers....I think it would help his chances.....he needs to put up the numbers.....
 
For multiple seasons AJ was considered to be the #1 player at his position in the entire NFL. Its players like that who should get into the hall of fame.
 
gtexan02 said:
For multiple seasons AJ was considered to be the #1 player at his position in the entire NFL. Its players like that who should get into the hall of fame.
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AJ was like that non-mainstream rock band that is really better than the latest flavor...
 
Texan4Ever said:
If players like Art Monk can get in, considering how important AJ is to this franchise and the fact that he is held in high regard over HWSNBN (who was the first pick in the franchise's history) is a testament to his abilities and his on the field and of the field work.
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That's not a strong endorsement for AJ into the HoF when you consider how long it took for Art Monk to be voted in. That was a debate that raged for many years.
 
Considering other great WRs haven't gotten in, AJ will need to win a championship to give himself a good chance. If he wins more than one ring, he'll be a lock.

The resume just looks so much better when you can list "Superbowl Winner" or "2-Time Superbowl Winner".
 
I'm going to say yes...but it's going to take a long, long time. Maybe 10, 15 years after he's retired. He's on the fringe I think. If he can put up some huge seasons the next few years, and if the Texans can get to a Super Bowl and an AFC championship game or two then that will definitely help his cause.
 
TexanSam said:
I'm going to say yes...but it's going to take a long, long time. Maybe 10, 15 years after he's retired. He's on the fringe I think. If he can put up some huge seasons the next few years, and if the Texans can get to a Super Bowl and an AFC championship game or two then that will definitely help his cause.
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I think it's going to take rings, not one, but plural for AJ to make it. Seems like the voters have a hard on for WRs. Not saying I agree, but I know what I see.
 
TO is going to go into the HOF, and so is Randy Moss and neither of those guys have rings. Marvin Harrison and Torry Holt are probably going in (Holt is a maybe) and both of those guys only have 1 ring.

In AJ's class you're going to have Larry Fitz (no rings), probably Reggie Wayne (1 ring), probably Calvin Johnson (no rings), and then whats leftover from the Moss/Owens/Harrison/Holt/Brown/Carter brigade that is currently not in. It's a jammed up group of lots of talented wideouts, and a lot of those guys have TD numbers that make one drool.

If he gets in, he's going to need to put up some herculean performances on the wrong side of 30.
 
b0ng said:
TO is going to go into the HOF, and so is Randy Moss and neither of those guys have rings. Marvin Harrison and Torry Holt are probably going in (Holt is a maybe) and both of those guys only have 1 ring.

In AJ's class you're going to have Larry Fitz (no rings), probably Reggie Wayne (1 ring), probably Calvin Johnson (no rings), and then whats leftover from the Moss/Owens/Harrison/Holt/Brown/Carter brigade that is currently not in. It's a jammed up group of lots of talented wideouts, and a lot of those guys have TD numbers that make one drool.

If he gets in, he's going to need to put up some herculean performances on the wrong side of 30.
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Agreed.
 
AJ will be in, because if not...?? I will make it my life's mission to seek out ALL voters and "making the world a better place and punching each one of them in the face"!

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YES!

I quoted myself!!!!
 
Playoffs said:
HOF, no doubt.
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I think it's more like "HOF, no way."

We all like AJ here with good reason, but no, he has neither the playoff history nor the stats to be in a HOf discussion yet.

He is a good guy, and hopefully that will change. My sense is that playing his entire career in Houston isn't going to help though.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Love me some AJ, but no, he's not a HOFer at this point. If Chris Carter and Tim Brown can't make it in, how will AJ?

They both have over 100 TDs. AJ barely has over 50. His reception and yardage number should be on par after a few more seasons. But his TD numbers will never catch up to HOF type numbers. He'll have to kick ass in the yardage department in order to make it in, imo.

I'm in no way blaming AJ for the lack of TD production. We all know what he's had to deal with in his career
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Yep. I'm afraid this is the sad, unfair truth. He'll have to put up eye-popping TD and yardage numbers and/or be MVP in a Super Bowl or two to get the attention and votes he needs to get one of those ugly yellow sportcoats.

It ain't fair really....
 
Not sure. Production wise he's lacking, but I think the voters are stupid not having some of the excluded WRs in, not necessarily a matter of those WRs not being worthy.

I know that outside of Rice and Randy Moss, Andre is the most physically-talented, skilled WR I've ever seen.
 
Texan4Ever said:
If players like Art Monk can get in, considering how important AJ is to this franchise and the fact that he is held in high regard over HWSNBN (who was the first pick in the franchise's history) is a testament to his abilities and his on the field and of the field work.
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Double Barrel said:
That's not a strong endorsement for AJ into the HoF when you consider how long it took for Art Monk to be voted in. That was a debate that raged for many years.
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TdotTexas2Step said:
Considering other great WRs haven't gotten in, AJ will need to win a championship to give himself a good chance. If he wins more than one ring, he'll be a lock.

The resume just looks so much better when you can list "Superbowl Winner" or "2-Time Superbowl Winner".
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Art Monk had THREE Super Bowl rings and was the All-Time leader in receptions when he retired in 1995 and it STILL took them until 2008 to vote him in. Monk should have been a lock. But they treat WRs just a little bit better than kickers when it comes to HoF voting. No one has ever given a satisfactory reason why that is.

b0ng said:
TO is going to go into the HOF, and so is Randy Moss and neither of those guys have rings. Marvin Harrison and Torry Holt are probably going in (Holt is a maybe) and both of those guys only have 1 ring.

In AJ's class you're going to have Larry Fitz (no rings), probably Reggie Wayne (1 ring), probably Calvin Johnson (no rings), and then whats leftover from the Moss/Owens/Harrison/Holt/Brown/Carter brigade that is currently not in. It's a jammed up group of lots of talented wideouts, and a lot of those guys have TD numbers that make one drool.

If he gets in, he's going to need to put up some herculean performances on the wrong side of 30.
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Moss will have to get in first - he has that 25 TD season on his resume and all those great years in Minn. OTOH, he'll have issues because of the time he goofed off in Oakland. And as many highlight catches and 100+ catch seasons that Harrison has on his resume' (not to mention he carried Peyton in the early years of his career) he'll probably have wait to get in because of the way his career ended (that gun thing).

Unless they start treating WRs better, A.J. is gonna have a tough time getting in. ESPECIALLY if there isn't a SB win or two (preferrably a SB MVP) for his supporters to point to.
 
BullBlitz said:
I think it's more like "HOF, no way."

We all like AJ here with good reason, but no, he has neither the playoff history nor the stats to be in a HOf discussion yet.

He is a good guy, and hopefully that will change. My sense is that playing his entire career in Houston isn't going to help though.
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I think playing on the Texans actually will help him. I'm sure he'd get a few votes just to have a Texan in the HOF.

With that said Carter is getting in, Andre's numbers are lacking but lets remember he's 30 and he's a WR. Lets not talk like he has 2 years left. T.O played until he was what 37? Andre takes good care of his body it seems and is not a head case. I can easily see him playing 7 more years and still producing as a top 5 WR in his mid-late 30s.

Just look at Moss who had one of his best years ever later in his career with the Pats. Now if only we could say Matt and Andre stay healthy. I think he'd pass Carter's numbers then.
 
ObsiWan said:
Art Monk had THREE Super Bowl rings and was the All-Time leader in receptions when he retired in 1995 and it STILL took them until 2008 to vote him in. Monk should have been a lock. But they treat WRs just a little bit better than kickers when it comes to HoF voting. No one has ever given a satisfactory reason why that is.
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My thoughts, as well. It was shocking every year to learn that Monk had been snubbed yet again. He played in an era where going across the middle of the field was a dangerous job and WRs did not have the rules of protection provided to today's receivers. And the HoF voters know this, but still dragged their feet to vote him in. I has never made sense to me as a fan.

ObsiWan said:
Moss will have to get in first - he has that 25 TD season on his resume and all those great years in Minn. OTOH, he'll have issues because of the time he goofed off in Oakland. And as many highlight catches and 100+ catch seasons that Harrison has on his resume' (not to mention he carried Peyton in the early years of his career) he'll probably have wait to get in because of the way his career ended (that gun thing).

Unless they start treating WRs better, A.J. is gonna have a tough time getting in. ESPECIALLY if there isn't a SB win or two (preferrably a SB MVP) for his supporters to point to.
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The sad part is A.J.'s dedication to this team could ultimately cost him a ring or two and entry into the HoF. He's certainly gifted enough to make it, but spending his entire career on a floundering expansion team that took a decade to get into it's first playoff game will not be an exemption with the voters.
 
He'll make it in, but it will be a long, long, LONG time before he does.

At some point, the voters will look back at his talent, his dedication to the Texans (rather than whoring around like Randy Moss did), and his overall contribution to the game of football--He is a BEAST, period--and they will vote him into the HOF.

But it will take a long time, maybe 20+ years. Seriously. It will be in a year where there isn't much for the voters to choose from. It'll be a "meh" consensus, which is appropriate since the Texans were a "meh" team for those 8 or 9 years of his career here.

They'll feel sorry for him. There'll be stories about how unjust the voting system is, like there are for similar players who didn't have exceptional post-season careers but still contributed heavily to the NFL for many, many years regardless.
 
BullBlitz said:
I think it's more like "HOF, no way."

We all like AJ here with good reason, but no, he has neither the playoff history nor the stats to be in a HOf discussion yet.

He is a good guy, and hopefully that will change. My sense is that playing his entire career in Houston isn't going to help though.
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This team is now a superbowl contender for years to comes. We are set to go on a ten year run of division titles and playoff appearances.

I am going to call it. At least Superbowl titles in the next years.

Of course AJ may have only 4 more years left? Maybe?
 
I love me some AJ, but tbh he won't make it. Even if he produced 3-4 more GREAT seasons, I doubt he gets in, he would need to set all kinds of records for TD receptions to have a shot and in this offense, the one where we neglect to throw to him in the redzone, he just doesn't stand a chance. He will make the TEXANS HOF though and I am sure his number will be retired, but thats prolly it sadly.
 
TEXANRED said:
This team is now a superbowl contender for years to comes. We are set to go on a ten year run of division titles and playoff appearances.
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I need to see us do more than beat a weak Bengals wild card team in our own stadium before I develop such a view.

We are not "a superbowl contender for years to come" based on anything except wishful thinking.
 
BullBlitz said:
I need to see us do more than beat a weak Bengals wild card team in our own stadium before I develop such a view.

We are not "a superbowl contender for years to come" based on anything except wishful thinking.
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Texans are a Super Bowl contender entering 2012 and you're wrong if you think otherwise. This team is loaded on both sides of the ball. Just need a little luck staying healthy and a couple of improvements on special teams.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
Texans are a Super Bowl contender entering 2012 and you're wrong if you think otherwise. This team is loaded on both sides of the ball. Just need a little luck staying healthy and a couple of improvements on special teams.
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They always need a little luck. People said the same thing when they were so optimistic after the 9-7 season:

"Next season is going to be the one."
"Playoffs or bust".
"We've finally got a QB, a top WR, and a Rookie of the Year linebacker."

What happened? 6-10.

So, no, we aren't a Super Bowl contender based on what happened in 2011. Lots of teams are loaded; not that we are. We have plenty of glaring weaknesses that competitors can take advantage of.
 
It's a lot different compared to any past year. The Texans actually have a top-rated defense along with a highly ranked offense going into the off-season. Wade Phillips is a great defensive coordinator and not a total bonehead like the past defensive coordinators we've had over the years.

There seems to be a strong foundation on both sides of the ball for the first time in franchise history. A great mix of veterans and talented young players. If only Andre Johnson had a team as loaded as this earlier in his career, he'd be that much closer to knocking on the doors of the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

I don't even think this team has a lot of glaring weaknesses right now. At least nothing that isn't easily fixable with one more good draft and free agent signing. I just don't want to end the season and go to battle in the playoffs with an unproven third-string rookie at quarterback. That's about the only gripe I had with this past season. But that was just some unfortunate luck. Schaub getting hurt by Albert Haynesworth on a quarterback sneak backed up on our own goal line. What are the odds of that happening? Just the playcalling on that particular play was insane to begin with (cough, cough, Kubiak!!!!).
 
amazing80 said:
I love me some AJ, but tbh he won't make it. Even if he produced 3-4 more GREAT seasons, I doubt he gets in, he would need to set all kinds of records for TD receptions to have a shot and in this offense, the one where we neglect to throw to him in the redzone, he just doesn't stand a chance. He will make the TEXANS HOF though and I am sure his number will be retired, but thats prolly it sadly.
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AJ has been the dominant wr of the last half decade. Art Monk couldn't carry Andre's jock and he is a HOF'er. He only went to 3 Pro Bowls and was pretty much only a possession wr. All he did was be pretty good for a long time (has some longevity records)...he wasn't ever "dominant" and didn't make defenses change their schemes for his game like teams HAVE to defend Andre Johnson. If AJ stays healthy he is a no brainer HOF player.
 
Vinny said:
AJ has been the dominant wr of the last half decade. Art Monk couldn't carry Andre's jock and he is a HOF'er. He only went to 3 Pro Bowls and was pretty much only a possession wr. All he did was be pretty good for a long time (has some longevity records)...he wasn't ever "dominant" and didn't make defenses change their schemes for his game like teams HAVE to defend Andre Johnson. If AJ stays healthy he is a no brainer HOF player.
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Do you think HoF voters will agree with you? They just dissed Chris Carter, and according to some NFL analysts, this will be a trend that continues for awhile against receivers.
 
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