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Jacoby's Gotta Go/**UPDATE**Released

And for the people who say he manned up talking to the media. Bullsh%t!!!!!
Pujols manned up when he smoldered and told the media to piss off. He didn't want to say jack and went out and set some sort of home run or RBI record in the next game, capped off by winning it all. Talk is cheap. Being smart enough to know when nothing you can say will make it better and therefore stay quiet is a stronger play.
 
Texecutioner said:
Go back and watch those games CB. He played like a another Joe Flacco type in waiting. NO way in hell I want him as a starter here ever. We were stuck with him, because we had nobody else and he'd be a good back up, but he'll most likely be a career back up in this league or a stop gap player for some team that is rebuilding and looking for their franchise QB. If Yates ever becomes our full time starter, we'll struggle for a few years until we find out that he's just average at best.
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Yates progressed more in less than 10 games than David Carr did in 5 seasons. I'm not thrilled with how Yates played Sunday, but I'm not going to crucify him then kick him to the curb. The kid has talent and moxie. He made mistakes, but at least they were aggressive mistakes and not the "stop drop and roll" or run out of bounds behind the LOS mistakes Carr made. Aggressive mistakes are much more forgivable than timid ones in the NFL.
 
What's really bad is he's totally sh%t the bed trade value wise. Other teams know the Texans can't keep him due to the fans booing him during games or worse, so they'll offer zip. He'll be quietly cut. Talk about screwing over a team multiple times. Just saying.

Sidenote: Didn't Stagger Lee happen in the early part of the playoff game with the Broncos (Oilers)? What is with this city and moronic gameplay from it's team early in important games? I can't think of another city that has suffered through so much football garbage. I guess Dallas with Romo Capades during crunch time comes close. Screwing up an extra point take a special kind of choke job.
 
DocBar said:
Yates progressed more in less than 10 games than David Carr did in 5 seasons. I'm not thrilled with how Yates played Sunday, but I'm not going to crucify him then kick him to the curb. The kid has talent and moxie. He made mistakes, but at least they were aggressive mistakes and not the "stop drop and roll" or run out of bounds behind the LOS mistakes Carr made. Aggressive mistakes are much more forgivable than timid ones in the NFL.
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I never thought about that, but it's true. I'd like to see how far he has come after a couple of years of learning under Kubiak and Schaub.
 
DocBar said:
Yates progressed more in less than 10 games than David Carr did in 5 seasons. I'm not thrilled with how Yates played Sunday, but I'm not going to crucify him then kick him to the curb. The kid has talent and moxie. He made mistakes, but at least they were aggressive mistakes and not the "stop drop and roll" or run out of bounds behind the LOS mistakes Carr made. Aggressive mistakes are much more forgivable than timid ones in the NFL.
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If your comparison to make him look good is so desperate that you've got to compare him to David Carr, than it's no wonder I'm writing this stuff. That has got to be the most laughable explanation of why he was good anyone could have written Docbar.

He has "moxie" my ass.

You just made my case for me by having to reach to David Carr to try and spin this kid as something that he isn't. If Yates was on the Titans you guys would laugh at his ass.

Losing after so many years really has dropped the standards of a lot of Texans fans. Why on earth would you use David Carr as some sort of measuring stick to compare other QB's to?? That's pathetic.

We won games in spite of Yates. Not because of him.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't. I bet he'll make it longer in the NFL than most of us think....... sorta like Jabar Gafney(sp).

I've got a Jacoby jersey & hope I'll be able to wear it next season. He's fun to watch & he definitely brings something to this team not many others do.

Arian Foster still loves the man, calls him his brother, loves to play with him....

I hope he stays.
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Jacoby can't even claim the spot his head coach has been grooming him for and trying to hand him for years.

Also what does he really bring this team? 500 yards and 2 TDs when your all pro receiver misses the majority of the season is nothing to write home about. There's rookie receivers that come into this league every season that blow that level of production out of the water and Jacoby is about to be a 6 year vet. This has nothing to do with "potential' anymore. Jacoby is what he is and this is what he most likely will always be...this is likely his max ceiling and that's just not good enough to hold that spot on the roster.

Gaffney was a highly productive player at a D1 school within a great conference. He was a much more polished receiver coming into the league. His lack or production had more to do with being stuck with a QB who couldn't progress through his reads and automatically checked the ball down to his RB as soon as he finished looking A.J.'s way.
 
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thunderkyss said:
I don't. I bet he'll make it longer in the NFL than most of us think....... sorta like Jabar Gafney(sp).

I've got a Jacoby jersey & hope I'll be able to wear it next season. He's fun to watch & he definitely brings something to this team not many others do.

Arian Foster still loves the man, calls him his brother, loves to play with him....

I hope he stays.
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I'd trade him for Gafney in a heartbeat ... haha
 
Texecutioner said:
If your comparison to make him look good is so desperate that you've got to compare him to David Carr, than it's no wonder I'm writing this stuff. That has got to be the most laughable explanation of why he was good anyone could have written Docbar.

He has "moxie" my ass.

You just made my case for me by having to reach to David Carr to try and spin this kid as something that he isn't. If Yates was on the Titans you guys would laugh at his ass.

Losing after so many years really has dropped the standards of a lot of Texans fans. Why on earth would you use David Carr as some sort of measuring stick to compare other QB's to?? That's pathetic.

We won games in spite of Yates. Not because of him.
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How many teams really win games, because of their young rookie QBs? There are cases, but it's the exception and not the rule.

The truth is that NOBODY knows what kind of player Yates is going to be in the future good or bad? It's simply too early to tell and anybody who claims they know for a fact about what type of player he'll be in 3 years is simply blowing hot air.

Will Yates be the future here.......who knows, too early to tell.

Will Yates be a future starter for another team....who knows, too early to tell.

Will Yates be a complete failure in this league and remain a clipboard holder....who knows, too early to tell.

I do know he has outplayed 1st rounders this season and I also know the stage didn't look to big for him considering the circumstances that he was thrust into. As a 5th round pick I'm glad we picked him, because that's excellent value even if he never progressing past being our backup QB and I'm willing to kick the tires on him some more and see what we have. I'll just do it in practice/preseason/mop up duty in blowouts and hope Schaub is healthy and stays healthy next season.
 
Carr Bombed said:
How many teams really win games, because of their young rookie QBs? There are cases, but it's the exception and not the rule.

The truth is that NOBODY knows what kind of player Yates is going to be in the future good or bad? It's simply too early to tell and anybody who claims they know for a fact about what type of player he'll be in 3 years is simply blowing hot air.

Will Yates be the future here.......who knows, too early to tell

Will Yates be a complete failure in this league and remain a clipboard holder....who knows, too early to tell.

I do know he has outplayed 1st rounders this season and I also know the stage didn't look to big for him considering the circumstances that he was thrust into. As a 5th round pick I'm glad we picked him and I'm willing to kick the tires on him some more and see what we have. I'll just do it in practice/preseason/mop up duty in blowouts and hope Schaub is healthy and stays healthy next season.
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He was a game manager that we were forced to play with and fans wanted him to do well so badly that now way to many folks are planning on him being our next starter after Schaub. Schaub going down and getting hurt just might have been one of the worst things to happen to this franchise if that keeps people high on Yates to where he sticks around long term to supplant Schaub.

I saw enough of him to know that I don't want him here as a starter. He wasn't great at extending plays. Rookies can do that. That's an intangible that you either have or you don't. He didn't have that. His arm wasn't overly impressive either.

When I watched Big Ben his rookie season he was a game manager as well. He didn't hardly do anything offensively, but you could always see something special in him on certain plays where he could extend plays and look amazing at times. You could see a high ceiling in his future. You could with Aaron Rogers immediately the minute he played in that Cowboys game when Favre got hurt. Yates just has average written all over him.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Jacoby can't even claim the spot his head coach has been grooming him for and trying to hand him for years.

Also what does he really bring this team? 500 yards and 2 TDs when your all pro receiver missing the majority of the season is nothing to right home about. There's rookie receivers that come into this league every season that blow that level of production out of the water and Jacoby is about to be a 6 year vet. This has nothing to do with "potential' anymore. Jacoby is what he is and this is what he most likely will always be...this is likely his max ceiling and that's just not good enough to hold that spot on the roster.

Gaffney was a highly productive player at a D1 school within a great conference. He was a much more polished receiver coming into the league. His lack or production had more to do with being stuck with a QB who couldn't progress through his reads and automatically checked the ball down to his RB as soon as he finished looking A.J.'s way.
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Leave it up to TK to be the only person that claims to root for this team to want Jacoby Jones still on this team. Lol! What a shocker there.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Jacoby can't even claim the spot his head coach has been grooming him for and trying to hand him for years.

Also what does he really bring this team? 500 yards and 2 TDs when your all pro receiver missing the majority of the season is nothing to right home about. There's rookie receivers that come into this league every season that blow that level of production out of the water and Jacoby is about to be a 6 year vet. This has nothing to do with "potential' anymore. Jacoby is what he is and this is what he most likely will always be...this is likely his max ceiling and that's just not good enough to hold that spot on the roster.

Gaffney was a highly productive player at a D1 school within a great conference. He was a much more polished receiver coming into the league. His lack or production had more to do with being stuck with a QB who couldn't progress through his reads and automatically checked the ball down to his RB as soon as he finished looking A.J.'s way.
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Wow I looked at his stats on ESPiN 31 catches In 18 games..shut out in the post season

I shook my head. I didn't even factor in AJ was out for most of that and it was jacoby's time to shine? Less than 2 catches a game
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I don't hate him as a person, but he is what he is and all he is going to be by now. Nothing more can be done. Working with a really good offense and gets to learn from one of the best WR in the game. Time to look fora replacement (well, it is over due). We have to find someone.
 
Dutchrudder said:
I'd trade JJ to the Lions for the rights to Barry Sanders. At least that way we could get something cool for him.
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You're all wrong. I would trade him for James Brooks (San Diego / Nati)... Dude was versatile as hell. He could run the ball, catch the ball out of the backfield and oh yeah, a good pretty return guy...

You need to check yourself!!! :kitten:
 
Carr Bombed said:
Gaffney was a highly productive player at a D1 school within a great conference. He was a much more polished receiver coming into the league. His lack or production had more to do with being stuck with a QB who couldn't progress through his reads and automatically checked the ball down to his RB as soon as he finished looking A.J.'s way.
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True, but at the time, he was cussed as much as Jacoby was.

I'm not going to try to defend Jacoby, I'm too exhausted with all the Kareem discussions.

He's not a #2, we agree there. We're not paying him like a #2.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't. I bet he'll make it longer in the NFL than most of us think....... sorta like Jabar Gafney(sp).

I've got a Jacoby jersey & hope I'll be able to wear it next season. He's fun to watch & he definitely brings something to this team not many others do.

Arian Foster still loves the man, calls him his brother, loves to play with him....

I hope he stays.
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Then again, Jabar Gaffney came with a little pedigree. Florida IIRC. Jones from Lane College? Not so much.
 
It's kinda funny to see people that are message board members try to pretend they're "the smartest guy in the room"!! Hell, if some of y'all were that good, or that smart, why are y'all not running an NFL, UFL, Canadian or an AFL team???

:lol: at some of y'all!!!

:facepalm:
 
Texan_Bill said:
It's kinda funny to see people that are message board members try to pretend they're "the smartest guy in the room"!! Hell, if some of y'all were that good, or that smart, why are y'all not running an NFL, UFL, Canadian or an AFL team???

:lol: at some of y'all!!!

:facepalm:
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I wish I had a job with the team. I've applied as an Administrative Assistant but didn't get the position. I'd do anything to have a job with the team and move out to Houston.
 
Texan_Bill said:
Then again, Jabar Gaffney came with a little pedigree. Florida IIRC. Jones from Lane College? Not so much.
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Jabar Gaffney got a bad wrap here.. Unless you were Andre Johnson (Carr's first read) or any dump off option, you had NO SHOT at catching the ball in that offense and with that QB.

In Kubiak's offense with Schaub, if you can get open he'll find you and you'll be productive. Just look at Joel Dreessen the backup TE who has 28 rec (only 3 less than Jacoby) 350 yards and 6 TDs.

Jabar has been a productive player pretty much everybody else he's been away from David Carr....I don't we'd be able to say the same thing about Jacoby Jones.

If his max potential is just a 3rd string QB, then he needs to go... to me that should be a spot held for a young player who has upside and has the potential to grow into something greater.. 3 years ago that might've described Jacoby Jones, but now it doesn't. It's time to draft another "project" who can be put in that spot and possibly work his way up and that doesn't even factor into the first round pick we should spend on the position to step in as a starter day 1 on the other side of Andre Johnson.
 
Dutchrudder said:
I'd trade JJ to the Lions for the rights to Barry Sanders. At least that way we could get something cool for him.
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I would trade JJ for used toilet paper, but that's redundant. A used snot rag. that's redundant again. A preserved hemorroid. DAMN THE REDUNDANCIES!!!!!!:kubepalm:
 
Carr Bombed said:
If his max potential is just a 3rd string WR, then he needs to go... to me that should be a spot held for a young player who has upside and has the potential to grow into something greater.. 3 years ago that might've described Jacoby Jones, but now it doesn't. It's time to draft another "project" who can be put in that spot and possibly work his way up and that doesn't even factor into the first round pick we should spend on the position to step in as a starter day 1 on the other side of Andre Johnson.
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Great argument. I'm good with this. Makes perfect sense.... no argument from me what-so-ever.

DocBar said:
I would trade JJ for used toilet paper, but that's redundant. A used snot rag. that's redundant again. A preserved hemorroid. DAMN THE REDUNDANCIES!!!!!!:kubepalm:
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This is the kind of stuff I don't understand.
 
Corrosion said:
I'd trade him for Gafney in a heartbeat ... haha
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I'd trade this dope for a cd of don Johnson's 'heartbeat'. Jacoby jones is simply too dumb to play and the more and more I think of it it disturbs the schit out me that this dolt was allowed to stay out there. 6 returns four yards two fumbles. I don't feel good about calling him names but I'm not going to coddle and sooth his pain like his momma or other people would.
 
Hey, it was a topic of some controversy earlier in the season. The consensus was keep Jacoby, DA ain't ****. I think it's worth looking back on. DA wasn't a slouch on special teams and wasn't afraid to take a hit over the middle. Did we get that much out of Jacoby this season? Hind sight being 20/20 and all.
 
David Anderson really isn't that great, but if I had to have one of the two on my team, it would be Anderson over Jacoby. You can actually get some use out of David Anderson, even if it's nothing more than keeping Schaub entertained with his antics.
 
Thorn said:
David Anderson really isn't that great, but if I had to have one of the two on my team, it would be Anderson over Jacoby. You can actually get some use out of David Anderson, even if it's nothing more than keeping Schaub entertained with his antics.
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A happy Schaub is a healthy Schaub. It's no coincidence that when DA is gone Schaub gets injured...
 
Sorry he's simply going in the wrong direction time to go:

Year Teams G GS Rec Yds Avg Lng TD Att Yds Avg Lng TD FUM Lost
2011 Houston Texans 16 10 31 512 16.5 80T 2 4 17 4.3 15 0 -- --
2010 Houston Texans 15 7 51 562 11.0 47 3 2 7 3.5 10 0 1 0
2009 Houston Texans 14 1 27 437 16.2 45 6 3 22 7.3 17 0 2 0
 
I agree that Jacoby has used up all his goodwill in Houston and needs to find a ride out of town, though truth be told, he is not terrible. He is simply not a legitimate number 2 and at times even questionable as a number 3. For a WR he also seems to have pretty clumsy hands. On the plus side, he is not nearly as much money as everyone thinks he does for the remainder of his contract. I would actually like to see the Texans give him a try at CB and have him duke it out with the other proverbial scapegoat Kareem Jackson. His combine results are a bit slower than a typical NFL CB, but his size and power may be able to cause mismatches.
 
chenjy9 said:
I agree that Jacoby has used up all his goodwill in Houston and needs to find a ride out of town, though truth be told, he is not terrible. He is simply not a legitimate number 2 and at times even questionable as a number 3. For a WR he also seems to have pretty clumsy hands. On the plus side, he is not nearly as much money as everyone thinks he does for the remainder of his contract. I would actually like to see the Texans give him a try at CB and have him duke it out with the other proverbial scapegoat Kareem Jackson. His combine results are a bit slower than a typical NFL CB, but his size and power may be able to cause mismatches.
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Jacoby is a poor route runner. I can't imagine he'd do well covering while backpeddaling. Also, being very physical is a key component of playing defense. Then factor in his "hesitation" moves. I can't imagine it going well at all!
 
NitroGSXR said:
Jacoby is a poor route runner. I can't imagine he'd do well covering while backpeddaling. Also, being very physical is a key component of playing defense. Then factor in his "hesitation" moves. I can't imagine it going well at all!
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Jacoby seems to play fairly instinctively and it could help a lot in allowing him to shadow his target better and being a CB minimizes the damage of otherwise dropping the ball (unless batted into the hands of a WR of course). I have seen Jacoby make some physical plays and while he could be more aggressive in going for the catch, I do not believe he is soft. Dumb and clumsy might be a better description. One thing I am fairly certain of is that the FO will most likely be drafting a WR this year in the first round and honestly, I have a sick feeling in my stomach that JJones will NOT be cut, meaning he has to go somewhere on the roster and clearly, PR is not the position for him.
 
From now on, whenever any Texan player muffs a punt, we will all say "He Jacobied it."
 
Jacoby didn't cost us that game; TJ did. Be mad all you want, but it happened five minutes into a 3-point game. TJ threw two picks in the LAST five minutes of a 7-point game.

That being said, I still think you find a way to get Reggie Wayne here, then trade Jacoby, Leinart, and whatever draft picks it takes to move up to get Justin Blackmon.
 
gwallaia said:
From now on, whenever any Texan player muffs a punt, we will all say "He Jacobied it."
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My son and I toss the old pigskin around pretty much everyday. He says I throw like a girl and when he drops it, I tell him he catches like Jacoby Jones. He does not find it as funny as I do.
 
DerekLee1 said:
Jacoby didn't cost us that game; TJ did. Be mad all you want, but it happened five minutes into a 3-point game. TJ threw two picks in the LAST five minutes of a 7-point game.

That being said, I still think you find a way to get Reggie Wayne here, then trade Jacoby, Leinart, and whatever draft picks it takes to move up to get Justin Blackmon.
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The score was a 7 point difference. Jacoby basically gift wrapping a TD on the 1 yard line certainly cost the team something. Blame it on the rookie, but he did not make a mistake like Jacoby did, who is a 5 year veteran.

At least TJ was trying to make plays. Jacoby was trying to be a dumbass...and he succeeded brilliantly.

NitroGSXR said:
My son and I toss the old pigskin around pretty much everyday. He says I throw like a girl and when he drops it, I tell him he catches like Jacoby Jones. He does not find it as funny as I do.
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lol! That's funny because Jacoby has been our 'dropped ball' example for years when I throw the football with my boy! :D
 
DerekLee1 said:
Jacoby didn't cost us that game; TJ did. Be mad all you want, but it happened five minutes into a 3-point game. TJ threw two picks in the LAST five minutes of a 7-point game.

That being said, I still think you find a way to get Reggie Wayne here, then trade Jacoby, Leinart, and whatever draft picks it takes to move up to get Justin Blackmon.
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Ya but Jacoby has had a lot more chances to be good compared to Yates. Yates is a rookie and isn't likely to play again next season unless Schaub gets hurt again (knock on wood). This will give Yates time to continue to learn and improve, and many people agree he has potential. Jacoby has been around for a much longer time and hasn't really shown actual improvement, just signs of improvement that never carry through.
 
DerekLee1 said:
Jacoby didn't cost us that game; TJ did. Be mad all you want, but it happened five minutes into a 3-point game. TJ threw two picks in the LAST five minutes of a 7-point game.

That being said, I still think you find a way to get Reggie Wayne here, then trade Jacoby, Leinart, and whatever draft picks it takes to move up to get Justin Blackmon.
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TJ is a 5th round ROOKIE. JJones is a 5th YEAR VETERAN. One is expected to make mistakes as a rookie. As a veteran WR who has already disappointed everyone time and time again, cannot afford to make that kind of mistake, especially in a big time game. The score differential at the end was 1 TD+1 difference. That is exactly how many points we gave them, when JJones spotted them the ball at our 3 yard line which completely gave Ravens the momentum of the game. Yeah... Jones cost us the game.
 
chenjy9 said:
TJ is a 5th round ROOKIE. JJones is a 5th YEAR VETERAN. One is expected to make mistakes as a rookie. As a veteran WR who has already disappointed everyone time and time again, cannot afford to make that kind of mistake, especially in a big time game. The score differential at the end was 1 TD+1 difference. That is exactly how many points we gave them, when JJones spotted them the ball at our 3 yard line which completely gave Ravens the momentum of the game. Yeah... Jones cost us the game.
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Perhaps I saw a different game, but I thought the momentum for the most part went the Texans way. The Ravens seemed pretty flat to me. The only way Jones definitely could have "cost us" the game is "if" the rest of game would have played out exactly the way it did after the turnover "if" the Texans did not score on that drive. Then "if" Yates had not thrown interceptions, and "if" the Texans would have still made a goal line stand in the "same" circumstances since early in first quarter had been "exactly" the same, then yes, the Texans could have had a tie game and went into overtime. But "if" the Texans would have played flawless ball and "if" the Ravens would have lost fumbles and Ed Reed's timing had been off in those situations, then yes, it's Jones fault.

I actually believe that Kubiak is a stand up guy who is not going to throw any of his players to the wolves and he did a really good thing IMO of not publically making the botched play any worse than it already was. I believe this will be Jones last season as a Texan and it is time for him to move on. How he performs on a different team will reveal that he gained enough experience to continue his NFL career, or he will leave the league and pursue other endeavors.

i got a jacoby jersey. yup i said it
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I'm very frugal, so before you start burning good merchandise I'll take it off your hands. I probably won't keep it, but Ebay is a good business resource.

With al that said, that loss was very disappointing and heartbreaking.
 
I'm very frugal, so before you start burning good merchandise I'll take it off your hands. I probably won't keep it, but Ebay is a good business resource.[/QUOTE]

burn it, thats silly. i'll trade it for a pack of cigs and a quart. oh wait, a jumbaco
 
StarStruck said:
Perhaps I saw a different game, but I thought the momentum for the most part went the Texans way. The Ravens seemed pretty flat to me. The only way Jones definitely could have "cost us" the game is "if" the rest of game would have played out exactly the way it did after the turnover "if" the Texans did not score on that drive. Then "if" Yates had not thrown interceptions, and "if" the Texans would have still made a goal line stand in the "same" circumstances since early in first quarter had been "exactly" the same, then yes, the Texans could have had a tie game and went into overtime. But "if" the Texans would have played flawless ball and "if" the Ravens would have lost fumbles and Ed Reed's timing had been off in those situations, then yes, it's Jones fault.

I actually believe that Kubiak is a stand up guy who is not going to throw any of his players to the wolves and he did a really good thing IMO of not publically making the botched play any worse than it already was. I believe this will be Jones last season as a Texan and it is time for him to move on. How he performs on a different team will reveal that he gained enough experience to continue his NFL career, or he will leave the league and pursue other endeavors.

I'm very frugal, so before you start burning good merchandise I'll take it off your hands. I probably won't keep it, but Ebay is a good business resource.

With al that said, that loss was very disappointing and heartbreaking.
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We watched the same game most likely, perhaps just a different way of interpreting it. This was a game where we could afford no mistakes playing behind a rookie in a hostile environment. Jones made that huge game changing mistake right off the bat by spotting them 7 points and the lead. You cannot afford to play catch up in Baltimore against their D with a rookie as we soon saw. Also, Yates does a much better job when he is ahead (like any QB) so that early TO by Jones put him behind the 8-ball IMHO.

Either way, I agree that Jones will probably not be a factor next season, either because he is not on the team any longer or he rides the pine all season.
 
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