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Penn State Child Molestation Case

Exactly. I'm sure there are some that believe violence is never the answer even in a situation like this....which I can't even begin to address....but that aside, even if this guy was afraid he'd get his ass kicked or maybe believed "violence wasn't the answer" or his pee-pee hurt, or whatever the case may be, he should have done something..ANYTHING.more than he did....whether that was to make noise, bang on something while calling the cops, yell, throw something...friggin anything!!!

If I saw this guy get taken advantage of now the way he watched that boy, I'd prbably just smoke a cig and laugh and ask, how's it feel?

We can all say how we hope would would react to this situation, but none of us can be sure how we would. Not much different than having a gun pointed at you/having it pointed at somebody. You don't know what is in you until it happens.

Regardless of what I would really do (I'd bet on giving the guy a savage beating with a blunt object) I'm pretty sure "What about my career?" would never cross my mind if I saw a kid getting raped.
 
Public service announcement:

Since this is all over the news and conversations now, kids are hearing about it. It might be good time to reinforce with your kids that it isn't just the creepy stranger, but also the trusted adult who might have bad intentions. Balancing between too much trust, looking for warning signs, and outright paranoia is a little tricky...

I'm a leader in my son's Cub Scout pack, and BSA has been very pro-active about educating parents and children about abusive situations.

Every scout handbook has an insert, How to Protect Your Children From Child Abuse and Drug Abuse: A Parent’s Guide, that should be read to your child every year to reinforce the lessons.

This is a good resource for any parent, even those not involved with scouts, to use for educating their children.

BSA is also very aggressive about deep background checks of leaders, including the FBA national database, and regular training (Youth Protection Training). They have very strict policies about child abuse, including two-deep leadership (never be alone with a scout that is not your son), as well as a list of other protective measures.

You can never been too paranoid about protecting children. And that's what really makes this entire situation so pathetic and disgusting. So many people should have demanded action, yet it seems like the corporate brand of a school was more important to them. Shameful and depraved mentalities, IMO.
 
We can all say how we hope would would react to this situation, but none of us can be sure how we would. Not much different than having a gun pointed at you/having it pointed at somebody. You don't know what is in you until it happens.

Regardless of what I would really do (I'd bet on giving the guy a savage beating with a blunt object) I'm pretty sure "What about my career?" would never cross my mind if I saw a kid getting raped.

Exactly. Who knows what I would actually do. I can promise violence would be involved, I just know me and I know how I react. How far it would go would be the question as well as the outcome. That's not beating my chest or being overly masculine or something, I just know what I have done in the past when it has come to defeing family on lesser situations so I am fairly able to predict my reaction were I this guy.

That said, I agree, even if it wasn't violence outright, "what about my career?" is just effed up and as I laid out, at least do SOMETHING other than what was done, right then and there to save that kid.
 
Exactly. Who knows what I would actually do. I can promise violence would be involved, I just know me and I know how I react. How far it would go would be the question as well as the outcome. That's not beating my chest or being overly masculine or something, I just know what I have done in the past when it has come to defeing family on lesser situations so I am fairly able to predict my reaction were I this guy.

That said, I agree, even if it wasn't violence outright, "what about my career?" is just effed up and as I laid out, at least do SOMETHING other than what was done, right then and there to save that kid.

I hear you. I have reacted the same way for family. Even had to get tackled by four friends so I wouldn't beat a guy's head in with a tire iron for hitting a stray dog with his car. I'm pretty sure I know how I will react but you can never be sure.

Shock can do strange things to people.

The guy that saw it all should at least lose his job. A freakin' disgrace. Don't know how he sleeps at night.
 
From wiki on the DA's disappearance:

At 11:30 a.m. (EDT) on April 15, 2005, Gricar called Patty Fornicola, his live-in girlfriend, to inform her that he was driving through the Brush Valley area northeast of Centre Hall.[9] Fornicola reported Gricar missing 12 hours later when he failed to return home.[9]
Gricar's car, a red MINI Cooper, was discovered the following day in an antique store parking lot in Lewisburg.[10] His county-issued cell phone was inside, but his laptop computer, keys, and wallet were missing, and there were no signs of foul play.[8] Police and family members noted that the location where the vehicle was found – adjacent to two bridges over the Susquehanna River – bore some similarities to the location where the vehicle of Roy Gricar, Ray Gricar's older brother, was located before his body was found in the Great Miami River in Ohio in 1996.[10]
Authorities searched the river and its banks in the days following the vehicle's discovery, but found no sign of Gricar.[8] Pennsylvania authorities asked the FBI to analyze Gricar's bank accounts, credit card records, and cell phone records, but found no clues as to where he may have been.[8]
On July 30, 2005, fishermen discovered Gricar's county-issued laptop computer in the Susquehanna River beneath a bridge between Lewisburg and Milton.[11] A Pennsylvania State Police computer expert analyzed the computer and found that its hard drive was missing.[11] Divers searched the area of the river near where the laptop was found over the next several days, but found nothing else.[11] Two months later, a hard drive was recovered on the banks of the Susquehanna River about 100 yards (91 m) from where the laptop was found and is believed to be Gricar's;[12] however, it was badly damaged and analysis by the FBI, U.S. Secret Service, and the firm Kroll Ontrack – which had successfully recovered data from a hard drive recovered from the Space Shuttle Columbia disaster – were all unable to recover any data from the hard drive.[13] In April 2009 Bellefonte police revealed that before his disappearance, Gricar used his home computer to perform internet searches on topics such as "how to wreck a hard drive", "how to fry a hard drive", and "water damage to a notebook computer".[14]
Gricar's disappearance has been the subject of at least two television documentaries: an episode of Haunting Evidence first aired on Court TV in June 2006, and an episode of Disappeared first aired on Investigation Discovery in February 2011.[15] Additionally, an episode of CBS' Without a Trace featured Gricar's missing person information.[16]
On June 30, 2011, Lara Gricar, Ray's daughter and trustee of his estate, petitioned Centre County for a court declaration of presumed death.[17] County president judge David E. Grine approved the petition and declared Gricar legally dead on July 25, 2011.[18]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Gricar#Disappearance

So what happened to this guy? No body ever found, no signs of suicide or foul play. Sounds like a professional took him out.
 
One bad decision after another here. This guy should have been shown the door. He saw it going on and turned around and let it finish. He didn't call the cops. He told his boss the next day*.

*and this puts him in the clear, apparently.

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One report said the boy saw him witness the incident. What do you think that kid thought when a should-have-been-rescuer turned his back and walked away? I'm sure it wasn't, "Good, he's probably going to go tell JoPa".

If you think about it, Paterno promoted McQueady from a graduate assistant position to a full time coaching position after this went down. Quid pro quo
 
From wiki on the DA's disappearance:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Gricar#Disappearance

So what happened to this guy? No body ever found, no signs of suicide or foul play. Sounds like a professional took him out.

See below

The DA who was originally looking into this that dissappeared, was a topic on J&R last night on 610.

Now, you'll have to look up whatever links they had found online as I don't have them, but apparently police found his hard drive from his laptop that had all the evidence in a river but could not recover anything from it and later when they searched his home pc were google searches for "how to wreck a hard drive" and more.

There are apparently sightings of this guy now and again too in different states.

So, if you want to all Unsolved Mysteries on it, sounds like he was paid to disappear. Also, now that we hear there may have been a whole ring involved.....this actually sounds plausable.

Who knows
 
I dont understand this. Is it joke? If so really?

Link

There was a report about the lawyer representing one of the victims saying that he didn't want JoePa fired over this scandal because he didn't want his client associated with the downfall of the football program. It was a pretty stupid statement in general and I think that spurred the creation of that article.
 
There was a report about the lawyer representing one of the victims saying that he didn't want JoePa fired over this scandal because he didn't want his client associated with the downfall of the football program. It was a pretty stupid statement in general and I think that spurred the creation of that article.

that makes sense cuz i got that it was a joke, couldnt understand the timing and context. With tha.t lawyer statement I see the opening for it but still its too soon
 
Only speculation at this point but my local station just reported the boys may have been used as prostitutes to high priced donors
 
Only speculation at this point but my local station just reported the boys may have been used as prostitutes to high priced donors

Yeah, still a rumor. Also rumored that all the boys 'used' were black underprivelidged kids too. Adding the element of racism to the issue. Still waiting on confirmations of that though.
 
If people don't understand how damaging this kind of abuse can be for young people, just take the example of Ashley Billasano in today's Chronicle.

Teen tweets about impending suicide because of abuse

And to think JoePa (and many others) could have prevented this tragedy from occuring to others - but they stood by and did nothing. Makes me sick to my stomach.
 
I am here to say that the more I here about this my view is changing ever so slowly. Why is the AD on admin leave and the new coach still part of the old staff? Fire Joe and the school President then can them all.
 
A source inside the Pennsylvania State police department, in Harrisburg, told The Daily Beast today that calls from other potential victims or people who believe they know victims are flowing in. "Yes, we're receiving calls," the source said, noting that the whole office is being kept "very busy," and that each and every call will be thoroughly investigated. The source would not say exactly how many calls the office had been received, but added that the line was being manned 24/7.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-new-potential-penn-state-victims-emerge.html
 
I am here to say that the more I here about this my view is changing ever so slowly. Why is the AD on admin leave and the new coach still part of the old staff? Fire Joe and the school President then can them all.

I'm starting to swing this way myself Gary. I think their best course of action right now is to shut down the program for the rest of the season and all of next season.

They're associated with a child molester now. I don't think that they can ever get over that.
 
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I errored when calling this a "child sex" case. Any violation of a child is rape. This is a "child rape" case. My apologies.



Brooks is right can a MOD plaese change thread name
 
Here is the last part of the Forward of Jerry Sandusky's biography ironically called "Touched"

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Dick Vermeil's words take on a whole new meaning now.
 
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Penn State paid for victim's trip. RT @kzep: Sandusky may face assault charges in San Antonio also http://bit.ly/uE1ZcK http://fb.me/Ch4GahkU

Maybe our great state of Texas can show Pennsylvania how to punish all involved. How about a charge of accessory after the fact.

An accessory after the fact is someone who knowingly and willingly helps the principle actors and/or the accomplice to evade arrest or trial. Anyone here a lawyer? I am wrong in thinking that all who covered up this abuse therefor gave the opportunity for future abuse of child in Texas so could be prosecuted.

Bump the thread so I might get a answer
 
A Penn State Attorney Who Reviewed The 1998 Police Report Against Jerry Sandusky Also Represented The Second Mile
In 1998, Victim No. 6 told his mother he had showered with Jerry Sandusky. She called Penn State University police, who interviewed both the boy and Sandusky and prepared a report containing details of inappropriate conduct. PSU's outside general counsel, Wendell Courtney, reviewed that police report on behalf of the school before submitting it to the Centre Country District Attorney. Courtney, who knew what Jerry Sandusky was alleged to have done-and admitted to-continued to represent The Second Mile for another 13 years.
"It's clear from the findings of the grand jury that Mr. Courtney had direct dealings with both Penn State and The Second Mile and he had knowledge and was aware of the 1998 incident," said Nils Fredericksen, a spokesman for the AG. "The grand jury findings are based on evidence and testimony. There's no dispute he had interaction with both [Penn State and The Second Mile]."
http://deadspin.com/5858636/a-penn-...rry-sandusky-also-represented-the-second-mile
 
There were many missed chances to investigate as early as 1995

The earliest documented report of possible abuse at the hands of Sandusky is in 1995, when his now-legally adopted son was still a teenage foster child in his home.

The adoption file for Matt Sandusky, who had a different name at the time, contains letters of concern from his mother to children and youth officials and to a Centre County judge.

Full Story

:( Very sad
 
This whole event reeks of a witch hunt. Maybe I'm missing something but I have yet to see anything that warrants Paterno being fired after 61 years of loyal service to Penn state.

Im sorry i try and ignore these type of topics so like I have said, maybe I have missed something. Has there been any solid evidence that shows Paterno did anything wrong. I know people are upset he didn't go to the police after a student reported to him having seen something. Yet there are conflicting reports out there about what the witness actually reported at the time to Paterno.
 
This whole event reeks of a witch hunt. Maybe I'm missing something but I have yet to see anything that warrants Paterno being fired after 61 years of loyal service to Penn state.

Im sorry i try and ignore these type of topics so like I have said, maybe I have missed something. Has there been any solid evidence that shows Paterno did anything wrong. I know people are upset he didn't go to the police after a student reported to him having seen something. Yet there are conflicting reports out there about what the witness actually reported at the time to Paterno.

He did not call the police. This after another incident in 1998, 2000 and 2002.
Where was his integrity and honor?
 
This whole event reeks of a witch hunt. Maybe I'm missing something but I have yet to see anything that warrants Paterno being fired after 61 years of loyal service to Penn state.

Im sorry i try and ignore these type of topics so like I have said, maybe I have missed something. Has there been any solid evidence that shows Paterno did anything wrong. I know people are upset he didn't go to the police after a student reported to him having seen something. Yet there are conflicting reports out there about what the witness actually reported at the time to Paterno.

Before I answer you, have you at least read a time line of the events?
 
This whole event reeks of a witch hunt. Maybe I'm missing something but I have yet to see anything that warrants Paterno being fired after 61 years of loyal service to Penn state.

Im sorry i try and ignore these type of topics so like I have said, maybe I have missed something. Has there been any solid evidence that shows Paterno did anything wrong. I know people are upset he didn't go to the police after a student reported to him having seen something. Yet there are conflicting reports out there about what the witness actually reported at the time to Paterno.

Many of us, including myself, came into this thread with a similar sentiment. After reading the grand jury report or one of the good summaries referenced here, many changed their minds. This group also includes me.

I'd say most of the ones not swayed by the published facts are Penn State fans, can't get past Paterno's (former) aura of respect, or are to stubborn to change an opinion once stated.

I'm sure there are few in good conscience who also aren't swayed.

Read the facts linked to in the threads. The logical conclusion is disturbing. No spin or fact twisting required.
 

I read in this that McQuery had stopped a knife fight between players. Why would he not stop the rape of a 10 year old boy by an unarmed naked man?

What kind of power/influence does Sandusky have over everyone?? Makes one wonder what more will be coming out in the next few weeks.
 
This is just one of those that you wish there were a rewind button and start from square one.
 
I read in this that McQuery had stopped a knife fight between players. Why would he not stop the rape of a 10 year old boy by an unarmed naked man?

What kind of power/influence does Sandusky have over everyone?? Makes one wonder what more will be coming out in the next few weeks.
The knife fight wasn't going to bring massive shame to the University. This was, so he went to the mob boss, er I mean Paterno. Corporatism...patriotism...partisanism... protecting the greater image, protecting the brand...Worshiping false idols. There is a bully atmosphere to those who speak out negatively against the "cause" or brand in this kind of atmosphere so you go to the decision maker. Its akin to being brainwashed. I see it here in blind partisan bickering where one perpetually excuses the behavior of their side as if it was a sign of weakness to speak the truth. In these cultures some stop thinking for oneself and lets their leaders, bosses, Governments, football coaches...whomever, think for you since being a "loose cannon" tends to be frowned upon. I think McQuery took care of his own self interest once he told Paterno and was rewarded with his promotion from Graduate assistant to position coach. quid pro quo stuff.

Bottom line I think it falls under the category of worshiping false idols and being afraid to think for yourself. He was lawyered up with some advice to keep it under his hat - then he was rewarded nicely. It's turned into an Twilight Zone episode for him though, thankfully.
 
Before I answer you, have you at least read a time line of the events?

Many of us, including myself, came into this thread with a similar sentiment. After reading the grand jury report or one of the good summaries referenced here, many changed their minds. This group also includes me.

I'd say most of the ones not swayed by the published facts are Penn State fans, can't get past Paterno's (former) aura of respect, or are to stubborn to change an opinion once stated.

I'm sure there are few in good conscience who also aren't swayed.

Read the facts linked to in the threads. The logical conclusion is disturbing. No spin or fact twisting required.

All I have read is the grand jury report. Could you point me to a link of the timeline?

This is why I asked mussup
 
I read in this that McQuery had stopped a knife fight between players. Why would he not stop the rape of a 10 year old boy by an unarmed naked man?
What kind of power/influence does Sandusky have over everyone?? Makes one wonder what more will be coming out in the next few weeks.

with this being said i believe it was already common knowledge on the coaching staff that Sandusky was a pedifile thats why he didnt report Sandusky to police instead he just went to JoePa. Barry Switzer said this below:

Former Oklahoma University and Dallas Cowboys coach Barry Switzer says members of the Penn State coaching staff had to be aware of former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky’s alleged behavior.

“Having been in this profession a long time and knowing how close coaching staffs are, I knew that this was a secret that was kept secret. Everyone on that had to have known, the ones that had been around a long time,” Switzer said in an interview with The Oklahoman newspaper.

Former Oklahoma University and Dallas Cowboys coach Barry Switzer says members of the Penn State coaching staff had to be aware of former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky’s alleged behavior. (AP Photo)Switzer added that others outside the Penn State
program had to have known as well.

“You think that a 13-year assistant ... hasn’t told someone else? His wife? His father? People knew. The community knew,” Switzer said.

Switzer said the tragedy of the situation was that no one stepped up to put a stop to Sandusky.

“There are more people culpable
than just Joe Paterno and the athletic director. There are so many other people that have thought, ‘I could’ve done something about this, too’ that didn’t come forward. That’s the tragedy of it,” he said.

Switzer said that the university's trustees did the right thing by firing by Paterno on Wednesday night, but added that "there are no winners here.”
 
Updated Nov 10, 2011 12:33 AM ET
A chronological look at the case against former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, based on a grand jury report in Pennsylvania state court. Some key dates in Penn State football history are included. Sandusky has been charged with 40 criminal counts, accusing him of serial sex abuse of minors.

* * *

1969: Jerry Sandusky starts his coaching career at Penn State University as a defensive line coach.



1977: Jerry Sandusky founds The Second Mile. It begins as a group foster home dedicated to helping troubled boys and grows into a charity dedicated to helping children with absent or dysfunctional families.

January 1983: Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football's national champion for the 1982 season.

January 1987: Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football's national champion for the 1986 season.

1994: Boy known as Victim 7 in the report meets Sandusky through The Second Mile program at about the age of 10.

1994-95: Boy known as Victim 6 meets Sandusky at a Second Mile picnic at Spring Creek Park when he is 7 or 8 years old.

1995-96: Boy known as Victim 5, meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is 7 or 8, in second or third grade.

1996-97: Boy known as Victim 4, at the age of 12 or 13, meets Sandusky while he is in his second year participating in The Second Mile program.

1996-98: Victim 5 is taken to the locker rooms and showers at Penn State by Sandusky when he is 8 to 10 years old.

Jan. 1, 1998: Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1998 Outback Bowl.





1998: Victim 6 is taken into the locker rooms and showers when he is 11 years old. When Victim 6 is dropped off at home, his hair is wet from showering with Sandusky. His mother reports the incident to the university police, who investigate.

Detective Ronald Schreffler testifies that he and State College Police Department Detective Ralph Ralston, with the consent of the mother of Victim 6, eavesdrop on two conversations the mother of Victim 6 has with Sandusky. Sandusky says he has showered with other boys and Victim 6's mother tries to make Sandusky promise never to shower with a boy again but he will not. At the end of the second conversation, after Sandusky is told he cannot see Victim 6 anymore, Schreffler testifies Sandusky says, ''I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead.''

Jerry Lauro, an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, testifies he and Schreffler interviewed Sandusky, and that Sandusky admits showering naked with Victim 6, admits to hugging Victim 6 while in the shower and admits that it was wrong.

The case is closed after then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar decides there will be no criminal charge.

June 1999: Sandusky retires from Penn State but still holds emeritus status.

Dec. 28, 1999: Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1999 Alamo Bowl.

Summer 2000: Boy known as Victim 3 meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is between seventh and eighth grade.

Fall 2000: A janitor named James Calhoun observes Sandusky in the showers of the Lasch Football Building with a young boy, known as Victim 8, pinned up against the wall, performing oral sex on the boy. He tells other janitorial staff immediately. Fellow Office of Physical Plant employee Ronald Petrosky cleans the showers at Lasch and sees Sandusky and the boy, who he describes as being between the ages of 11 and 13.
Calhoun tells other physical plant employees what he saw, including Jay Witherite, his immediate supervisor. Witherite tells him to whom he should report the incident. Calhoun was a temporary employee and never makes a report. Victim 8's identity is unknown.

March 1, 2002: A Penn State graduate assistant enters the locker room at the Lasch Football Building. In the showers, he sees a naked boy, known as Victim 2, whose age he estimates to be 10 years old, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant tells his father immediately.

March 2, 2002: In the morning, the graduate assistant calls Coach Joe Paterno and goes to Paterno's home, where he reports what he has seen.

March 3, 2002: Paterno calls Tim Curley, Penn State Athletic Director to his home the next day and reports a version of what the grad assistant had said.

March 2002: Later in the month the graduate assistant is called to a meeting with Curley and Senior Vice President for Finance and Business Gary Schultz. The grad assistant reports what he has seen and Curley and Schultz say they will look into it.

March 27, 2002 (approximate): The graduate assistant hears from Curley. He is told that Sandusky's locker room keys are taken away and that the incident has been reported to The Second Mile. The graduate assistant is never questioned by university police and no other entity conducts an investigation until the graduate assistant testifies in Grand Jury in December 2010.

2005-06: Boy known as Victim 1 says that meets Sandusky through The Second Mile at age 11 or 12.

Spring 2007: During the 2007 track season, Sandusky begins spending time with Victim 1 weekly, having him stay overnight at his residence in College Township, Pa.

Spring 2008: Termination of contact with Victim 1 occurs when he is a freshman in a Clinton County high school. After the boy's mother calls the school to report sexual assault, Sandusky is barred from the school district attended by Victim 1 from that day forward and the matter is reported to authorities as mandated by law.



September 2010: Sandusky retires from day-to-day involvement with The Second Mile, saying he wants to spend more time with family and handle personal matters.

Nov. 5, 2011: Sandusky is arrested and released on $100,000 bail after being arraigned on 40 criminal counts.

Nov. 7, 2011: Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly says Paterno is not a target of the investigation into how the school handled the accusations. But she refuses to say the same for university President Graham Spanier. Curley and Schultz, who have stepped down from their positions, surrender on charges that they failed to alert police to complaints against Sandusky.

Nov. 8, 2011: Possible ninth victim of Sandusky contacts state police as calls for ouster of Paterno and Spanier grow in state and beyond. Penn State abruptly cancels Paterno's regular weekly press conference.

Nov. 9, 2011: Paterno and Spanier, one of the nation's longest-serving college presidents, are ousted, effective immediately. Earlier in the day, Paterno announced he'd retire at the end of the season. In the end, he didn't have that choice.
 
Updated Nov 10, 2011 12:33 AM ET
A chronological look at the case against former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, based on a grand jury report in Pennsylvania state court. Some key dates in Penn State football history are included. Sandusky has been charged with 40 criminal counts, accusing him of serial sex abuse of minors.

* * *

1969: Jerry Sandusky starts his coaching career at Penn State University as a defensive line coach.



1977: Jerry Sandusky founds The Second Mile. It begins as a group foster home dedicated to helping troubled boys and grows into a charity dedicated to helping children with absent or dysfunctional families.

January 1983: Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football's national champion for the 1982 season.

January 1987: Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football's national champion for the 1986 season.

1994: Boy known as Victim 7 in the report meets Sandusky through The Second Mile program at about the age of 10.

1994-95: Boy known as Victim 6 meets Sandusky at a Second Mile picnic at Spring Creek Park when he is 7 or 8 years old.

1995-96: Boy known as Victim 5, meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is 7 or 8, in second or third grade.

1996-97: Boy known as Victim 4, at the age of 12 or 13, meets Sandusky while he is in his second year participating in The Second Mile program.

1996-98: Victim 5 is taken to the locker rooms and showers at Penn State by Sandusky when he is 8 to 10 years old.

Jan. 1, 1998: Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1998 Outback Bowl.





1998: Victim 6 is taken into the locker rooms and showers when he is 11 years old. When Victim 6 is dropped off at home, his hair is wet from showering with Sandusky. His mother reports the incident to the university police, who investigate.

Detective Ronald Schreffler testifies that he and State College Police Department Detective Ralph Ralston, with the consent of the mother of Victim 6, eavesdrop on two conversations the mother of Victim 6 has with Sandusky. Sandusky says he has showered with other boys and Victim 6's mother tries to make Sandusky promise never to shower with a boy again but he will not. At the end of the second conversation, after Sandusky is told he cannot see Victim 6 anymore, Schreffler testifies Sandusky says, ''I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead.''

Jerry Lauro, an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, testifies he and Schreffler interviewed Sandusky, and that Sandusky admits showering naked with Victim 6, admits to hugging Victim 6 while in the shower and admits that it was wrong.

The case is closed after then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar decides there will be no criminal charge.

June 1999: Sandusky retires from Penn State but still holds emeritus status.

Dec. 28, 1999: Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1999 Alamo Bowl.

Summer 2000: Boy known as Victim 3 meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is between seventh and eighth grade.

Fall 2000: A janitor named James Calhoun observes Sandusky in the showers of the Lasch Football Building with a young boy, known as Victim 8, pinned up against the wall, performing oral sex on the boy. He tells other janitorial staff immediately. Fellow Office of Physical Plant employee Ronald Petrosky cleans the showers at Lasch and sees Sandusky and the boy, who he describes as being between the ages of 11 and 13.
Calhoun tells other physical plant employees what he saw, including Jay Witherite, his immediate supervisor. Witherite tells him to whom he should report the incident. Calhoun was a temporary employee and never makes a report. Victim 8's identity is unknown.

March 1, 2002: A Penn State graduate assistant enters the locker room at the Lasch Football Building. In the showers, he sees a naked boy, known as Victim 2, whose age he estimates to be 10 years old, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant tells his father immediately.

March 2, 2002: In the morning, the graduate assistant calls Coach Joe Paterno and goes to Paterno's home, where he reports what he has seen.

March 3, 2002: Paterno calls Tim Curley, Penn State Athletic Director to his home the next day and reports a version of what the grad assistant had said.

March 2002: Later in the month the graduate assistant is called to a meeting with Curley and Senior Vice President for Finance and Business Gary Schultz. The grad assistant reports what he has seen and Curley and Schultz say they will look into it.

March 27, 2002 (approximate): The graduate assistant hears from Curley. He is told that Sandusky's locker room keys are taken away and that the incident has been reported to The Second Mile. The graduate assistant is never questioned by university police and no other entity conducts an investigation until the graduate assistant testifies in Grand Jury in December 2010.

2005-06: Boy known as Victim 1 says that meets Sandusky through The Second Mile at age 11 or 12.

Spring 2007: During the 2007 track season, Sandusky begins spending time with Victim 1 weekly, having him stay overnight at his residence in College Township, Pa.

Spring 2008: Termination of contact with Victim 1 occurs when he is a freshman in a Clinton County high school. After the boy's mother calls the school to report sexual assault, Sandusky is barred from the school district attended by Victim 1 from that day forward and the matter is reported to authorities as mandated by law.



September 2010: Sandusky retires from day-to-day involvement with The Second Mile, saying he wants to spend more time with family and handle personal matters.

Nov. 5, 2011: Sandusky is arrested and released on $100,000 bail after being arraigned on 40 criminal counts.

Nov. 7, 2011: Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly says Paterno is not a target of the investigation into how the school handled the accusations. But she refuses to say the same for university President Graham Spanier. Curley and Schultz, who have stepped down from their positions, surrender on charges that they failed to alert police to complaints against Sandusky.

Nov. 8, 2011: Possible ninth victim of Sandusky contacts state police as calls for ouster of Paterno and Spanier grow in state and beyond. Penn State abruptly cancels Paterno's regular weekly press conference.

Nov. 9, 2011: Paterno and Spanier, one of the nation's longest-serving college presidents, are ousted, effective immediately. Earlier in the day, Paterno announced he'd retire at the end of the season. In the end, he didn't have that choice.

I said I was going to stay away because it was giving me acid reflux . This is incredible and it's going to get ugly because there had to be folks protecting him .

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1111/penn.state.campus/content.1.html
 
I agree. I think it is going to get very ugly.
If half of the rumors are true, there are a lot more boys involved. And maybe other stuff that was mentioned earlier in this thread. There maybe also be a lot of people praying that the investigation does not go too deep.
 
I agree. I think it is going to get very ugly.
If half of the rumors are true, there are a lot more boys involved. And maybe other stuff that was mentioned earlier in this thread. There maybe also be a lot of people praying that the investigation does not go too deep.

Make a deal with Sandusky and then tell him the deal was he gets to be roommates with Hannibal Lecter and Jeffery Dahmer at Thanksgiving .
 
After reading what Grams posted, I think I want to vomit, and I definitely want to cry. I just don't know what else to say.
 
All I have to say is Sandusky better grow him a goatee because that prison pucee is going to be getting alot of action. He's going to learn what it feels like to be on the receiving end of raping. Hope he gets passed around like a joint at a lalapalooza concert.

I have always thought highly of Paterno and still don't want to believe he knew and ignored all this. I know it looks bad but I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt until it's proven otherwise. But if it is proven I hope he goes to his grave having lived the rest of his life knowing what a POS he is for allowing such a POS like that to continue doing what he did.
 
Whether the NCAA does anything or not, the Penn State football program is hosed. I can't see any commit sticking with Penn State, and I seriously doubt many freshman or sophomores will stay with the program.

I do think the NCAA needs to make a serious example of Penn State. This is so huge, and it is all a result of people trying to cover up stuff. They just can't ignore it. Penn State needs to become the poster child of not letting a program get away with a major coverup.
 
Watching the after-coverage of Penn State - Nebraska is sickening me. ESPN and Penn State have to stop acting like Paterno was the victim of anything but his own moral failure. Go cry somewhere else where we don't have to see the pathetic display of the "Poor Joe Paterno Show."
 
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