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Raiders reportedly trying to acquire Palmer/UPDATE/aquired

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Raiders reportedly trying to acquire Palmer from Bengals: http://bit.ly/pYWAFR


The Raiders lost starting quarterback Jason Campbell with a broken collarbone during their 24-17 victory over the Cleveland Browns.
 
They are saying that Brown won't give in and trade Palmer. If that doesn't go through there is another team in the NFC with 2 backups.

Could it be ...

:vincepalm:
 
JayGlazer Jay Glazer
The Raiders & Bengals are close to a trade that would send Carson Palmer to OAK for a first-rounder in 2012 and a conditional pick in future

JayGlazer Jay Glazer
The trade is expected to be completed by deadline. Hue Jackson has a close relationship w Mike Brown and really worked to get Brown to budge
 
srrono said:
JayGlazer Jay Glazer
The Raiders & Bengals are close to a trade that would send Carson Palmer to OAK for a first-rounder in 2012 and a conditional pick in future

JayGlazer Jay Glazer
The trade is expected to be completed by deadline. Hue Jackson has a close relationship w Mike Brown and really worked to get Brown to budge
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Sounds like a play-offs or bust.. a true definition.

Get'R done!!
 
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Carson Palmer to the Raiders now official. Compensation expected to be a 1 in 2012 and a conditional 1 in 2013.
 
i am all for being aggressive but this is crazy two #1 picks wow

JayGlazer Jay Glazer
Trade is for a first-rounder in 2012 then a second rounder in future that can turn into a first-rounder based on his play
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NitroGSXR said:
In memorium of Al Davis... next year's first, Seymour, and McClain for Schaub and Holliday!!!!

:spit:
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I thought you said "in memorium" not "in disrespect". Davis didn't make trades unless he thought he was getting the upper hand, i.e., Willie Brown, Mike Haynes, Richard Seymour, etc. . . Yeah, there was the Randy Moss fiasco, but you have to consider it was Moss we're talking about. Why are you disrespecting the dead with your jokes?
 
TheMatrix31 said:
LMAO. The Raiders only have a 5th and 6th this coming draft
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And compensatory picks for losing Aso, Gallery and Miller; less what they gained with Boss. So, you know they'll at least get a 3rd rounder (which can't be traded) plus maybe a 4th or so. Besides, historically the Raiders don't do well picking in the 1st, but kick butt in the later rounds. Then again, that was when Davis was calling the shots, so we'll have to see how they do now deep in the draft.
 
This has to be some sort of error in reporting. A first for Carson Palmer is an overpay, but possibly two firsts is a massive, what-the-****-are-you-thinking-why-are-you-doing-this-to-your-franchise-jesus-christ overpay. I mean, they probably could've talked the Eagles out of Vince Young for far less compensation.
 
NitroGSXR said:
Two first rounders! TWO!!!!!!
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Hate to lose 1st rounders that could be used on players like JaBustus . . . oh, wait a minute. . . .

Anyway, the Raiders have a very, very, young and talented team, so they should be fine without a few high draft picks over the next couple years. I mean, Richard Seymour, G Cooper Carlise and RT Khalif Barnes, are really the only guys that will likely need to be replaced over the next couple years.
 
Cerberus said:
Hate to lose 1st rounders that could be used on players like JaBustus . . . oh, wait a minute. . . .

Anyway, the Raiders have a very, very, young and talented team, so they should be fine with out a few high draft picks over the next couple years. I mean, Richard Seymour, G Cooper Carlise and RT Khalif Barnes, are really the only guys that will likely need to be replaced over the next few years.
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This is a really not-so-smart way of doing things for a GM. Not having draft picks is going to hurt your team regardless of who was picked in previous first rounds and on.

I know Asomugha was a first round draft pick so it's not all bad. And with how bad of a draft history the Texans have with first rounders (Carr, T. Johnson, Babin, Okoye, Jackson) I'd still be pissed if I had to give up a first for the likes of a guy like Carson Palmer. Palmer hasn't been good since what, 2007?

EDIT: Jay Glazer: Trade is for a first-rounder in 2012 then a second rounder in future that can turn into a first-rounder based on his play

This is worse than the Roy Williams deal.
 
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False Start said:
Wow.... :faildetector:
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Win-Win

Raiders are trying to get to the Big Dance and needed a QB now that Campbell is down. Hue Jackson had worked with Palmer for years and know exactly what he is getting and how he will work in the Raiders' offense. Bengals have their QB of the future, and needed some picks to help him out down the road. Win-Win
 
Cerberus said:
Win-Win

Raiders are trying to get to the Big Dance and needed a QB now that Campbell is down. Hue Jackson had worked with Palmer for years and know exactly what he is getting and how he will work in the Raiders' offense. Bengals have their QB of the future, and needed some picks to help him out down the road. Win-Win
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You gave up a first round draft pick, and at least a second round draft pick the year after that could become a first again, to a team that you will probably be battling a lot in the future, for a guy who has been injured, sat out this whole season (the season on which you are going to rely on him probably the most) and hasn't really been that good since like 2007 2008ish. It's a bad deal.
 
b0ng said:
This is a really not-so-smart way of doing things for a GM. Not having draft picks is going to hurt your team regardless of who was picked in previous first rounds and on.

I know Asomugha was a first round draft pick so it's not all bad. And with how bad of a draft history the Texans have with first rounders (Carr, T. Johnson, Babin, Okoye, Jackson) I'd still be pissed if I had to give up a first for the likes of a guy like Carson Palmer. Palmer hasn't been good since what, 2007?

EDIT: Jay Glazer: Trade is for a first-rounder in 2012 then a second rounder in future that can turn into a first-rounder based on his play

This is worse than the Roy Williams deal.
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So you think the Raiders would be better off flushing this season down the drain and saving a couple of picks that may work out, get used to losing again, and change the atmosphere in the locker room rather than try to continue improving with a QB that Hue Jackson has worked with before and that knows Hue's offense? Got it! :vincepalm:
 
Cerberus said:
So you think the Raiders would be better off flushing this season down the drain and saving a couple of picks that may work out, get used to losing again, and change the atmosphere in the locker room rather than try to continue improving with a QB that Hue Jackson has worked with before and that knows Hue's offense? Got it! :vincepalm:
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No, he's saying it was a terrible value given the low expectations of Palmer. Go get Kyle Orton from the Broncos, or VY from the Eagles, or even McNabb from the Vikings would be better. At least we know those guys are in football shape and won't cost about 6 million dollars as a rental for the rest of the season. Even Matt Leinart and Mike Kafka sound like a better options than Palmer at this point.

Edit: Congratz to the Bungles on moving up to the 31st worst managed team in the NFL! You have finally gotten the best of the previously second to last team!
 
Cerberus said:
So you think the Raiders would be better off flushing this season down the drain and saving a couple of picks that may work out, get used to losing again, and change the atmosphere in the locker room rather than try to continue improving with a QB that Hue Jackson has worked with before and that knows Hue's offense? Got it! :vincepalm:
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Why give up that much compensation for a guy like Palmer? Quick, name me QB's you'd trade a first round pick and a 2012 either second or first round pick for.
 
Cerberus said:
I thought you said "in memorium" not "in disrespect". Davis didn't make trades unless he thought he was getting the upper hand, i.e., Willie Brown, Mike Haynes, Richard Seymour, etc. . . Yeah, there was the Randy Moss fiasco, but you have to consider it was Moss we're talking about. Why are you disrespecting the dead with your jokes?
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Traded away or not, Al Davis brought down wrath on all those first rounders these past few years.

Because it IS a joke. Lighten up, Francis.
 
b0ng said:
Why give up that much compensation for a guy like Palmer? Quick, name me QB's you'd trade a first round pick and a 2012 either second or first round pick for.
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Well the one's I listed I wouldn't expect to give up more than a conditional 3/4 for them. I'm sure the Vikings would be happy to ship McNabb off for a 5/6th, I bet Orton could be had for a 3rd, VY probably for a 4th as Kafka looked alright backing up Vick.

Two firsts though? What other QB out there is on the block that may warrant that sort of compensation? Sam Bradford? Matt Schaub...? Crazy.
 
Cerberus said:
So you think the Raiders would be better off flushing this season down the drain and saving a couple of picks that may work out, get used to losing again, and change the atmosphere in the locker room rather than try to continue improving with a QB that Hue Jackson has worked with before and that knows Hue's offense? Got it! :vincepalm:
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We'll see how it turns out. I have very low expectations for Palmer - which as both a Texans and Chiefs fan makes me feel good about this trade. Only way to find out if that's justified is to let this season - and the next couple - play out.
 
I liked the idea of going after Palmer, but two firsts? A first & a second? When you're happy with Campbell & expecting him back next year? You're not doing Campbell any favors by not getting him some help (offensive or defensive) in the upcoming years.

I understand the win now mentality, but not at the cost of the future.
 
Dutchrudder said:
Well the one's I listed I wouldn't expect to give up more than a conditional 3/4 for them. I'm sure the Vikings would be happy to ship McNabb off for a 5/6th, I bet Orton could be had for a 3rd, VY probably for a 4th as Kafka looked alright backing up Vick.

Two firsts though? What other QB out there is on the block that may warrant that sort of compensation? Sam Bradford? Matt Schaub...? Crazy.
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I'm not trading 2 ****ing firsts unless it's some sort of deal like what the Bears had to give up for Jay Cutler (Who was currently playing in the league, did not have a terrible injury history and was considered "pretty good" at that time). Carson Palmer right now, is nowhere near as good as what Jay Cutler was considered back then.

With this trade the Raiders are basically telling Jason Campbell to **** off because Carson Palmer is their guy (Jason Campbell being a guy whom you traded a 4th rounder in this years draft for) no matter what kind of shape Palmer is currently in.

Palmer will be better than Kyle Boller, and should give the Raiders more than what Jason Campbell did, which will be nice, and probably worth a 2nd. . . which is why everybody is saying the Raiders are an organization that isn't run very well.
 
Some teams that want to win now trade future draft picks for guys that can contribute now.

Other teams wont trade a 5th rd pick for a pro bowl caliber player. Thanks for nothing (Lloyd)

The Raiders are going for it. This is a risky pickup, I comend the Raiders for taking a chance and improving their team. Unlike some other teams.

Besides they needed a QB and Palmer already knows the offense, who would they have drafted that's better than Palmer in the mid to late 20's ?
 
b0ng said:
You gave up a first round draft pick, and at least a second round draft pick the year after that could become a first again, to a team that you will probably be battling a lot in the future, for a guy who has been injured, sat out this whole season (the season on which you are going to rely on him probably the most) and hasn't really been that good since like 2007 2008ish. It's a bad deal.
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Would you give up 2 1st rd picks for 4 yrs of above avg QB play and a playoff berth? I know I would.

Palmer has a good 3-4 yrs left in him.
 
steelbtexan said:
Some teams that want to win now trade future draft picks for guys that can contribute now.

Other teams wont trade a 5th rd pick for a pro bowl caliber player. Thanks for nothing (Lloyd)

The Raiders are going for it. This is a risky pickup, I comend the Raiders for taking a chance and improving their team. Unlike some other teams.

Besides they needed a QB and Palmer already knows the offense, who would they have drafted that's better than Palmer in the mid to late 20's ?
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Apparently Andy Dalton is better than what Carson Palmer was so hey! Also, it's not as if QB is the only place on the roster that the Raiders could stand to upgrade. What if Carson Palmer gives you the Quarterbacking equivalent of Roy Williams in a Cowboys uniform (Basically continues playing as if he's in decline like he has the last 2 or 3 years)? What then? You just gave up a 1st, a 4th in 2012 and possibly another 1st but most likely a 2nd in 2013 for two guys who are clearly not the answer.

I mean ****, Denver is starting Tebow now, you probably could've gotten Kyle Orton for much much much less.
 
steelbtexan said:
Some teams that want to win now trade future draft picks for guys that can contribute now.

Other teams wont trade a 5th rd pick for a pro bowl caliber player. Thanks for nothing (Lloyd)

The Raiders are going for it. This is a risky pickup, I comend the Raiders for taking a chance and improving their team. Unlike some other teams.

Besides they needed a QB and Palmer already knows the offense, who would they have drafted that's better than Palmer in the mid to late 20's ?
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This. I think they would regret it much more if they just rested on their laurels and let this season potentially go to waste because they lost their quarterback. I'm sure a lot of people will rip on the Raiders today for giving up so much for Palmer, but the fact is they're willing to take the risk instead of die by their own sword. Granted, there's no guarantee Palmer will be the answer to move forward this season, but there wasn't a guarantee that keeping the picks and going with what you had would enable you to get into the playoffs either.
 
steelbtexan said:
Would you give up 2 1st rd picks for 4 yrs of above avg QB play and a playoff berth? I know I would.

Palmer has a good 3-4 yrs left in him.
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How do you know that? Cause he was so good for the Bengals in '09 and '10? And how do you know he's going to even give you average QB play or that a playoff berth is garunteed?

On top of that you may have just ****ed yourself because you gave a team that you might be competing with for WC spots a dickload of high draft picks.
 
MortReport: Conditional pick in 2013 is 1st rounder if Raiders win 1 playoff game or it's a 2nd rounder. Still get the 1st rounder next April.

heh.
 
steelbtexan said:
Would you give up 2 1st rd picks for 4 yrs of above avg QB play and a playoff berth? I know I would.

Palmer has a good 3-4 yrs left in him.
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If we're going to crystal ball it.... why not.

It might turn out to be as good as the Brees signing in Nawlins, then it's worth it, no doubt.

But it might turn out no better than the Culpepper or McNabb deals.

I applaud them for not sitting on their hands, but you have to consider the price. We're not talking about Tim Tebow here.
:kitten:
 
b0ng said:
How do you know that? Cause he was so good for the Bengals in '09 and '10? And how do you know he's going to even give you average QB play or that a playoff berth is garunteed?

On top of that you may have just ****ed yourself because you gave a team that you might be competing with for WC spots a dickload of high draft picks.
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I think Carson Palmer may very well end up being the 2011 version of 2010 Donovan McNabb (well, except for the fact that Donovan McNabb has already claimed that label).
 
There's one thing that is clear now: Big Al didn't die, he's alive and kicking because only that crazy ole guy would roll the dice I such a risky deal as this surely appears to be. The Bengals oughta be locked up for the way they swindled the Raiders on this deal.
 
Carson Palmer's base salaries going forward: $11.5 million (2011), $11.5 million (2012), $13 million (2013), $14 million (2014).

lawl
 
There was a time when Palmer was worth two first round picks. Yesterday was not that time.

The most delusional fan on this board isn't even a Texans fan.
 
It's a conditional pick right? Raiders are going all in this season. They will make the playoffs and don't have to roll a chump out as a qb now. They have 4 Lombardi trophies in 4 different decades....it may work out for them. Hell, we took 0k0ye and Dunta in the first round and neither player is here now.
 
The city of Cincinnati should be thanking Jason Cambell's collar bone right about now. Mike Brown was never gonna trade him unless he got a ridiculous offer and along came the Raiders.
 
Vinny said:
It's a conditional pick right? Raiders are going all in this season. They will make the playoffs and don't have to roll a chump out as a qb now. They have 4 Lombardi trophies in 4 different decades....it may work out for them. Hell, we took 0k0ye and Dunta in the first round and neither player is here now.
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No, it's a first in 2012 and a conditional first in 2013.
 
b0ng said:
No, it's a first in 2012 and a conditional first in 2013.
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Worst case scenario for '13 pick is a 2nd rounder.
Damn, I wish somebody from the texans' org would have already approached Oakland about a trade for Mario.
 
Wow. Is Al Davis' ghost wandering around making trades? I realize they'd like to stay in playoff contention but that's a lot to give up for a guy who hasn't played well in 3 or 4 years.
 
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