Maddict5
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was thinking the exact same thing. right down to hue jackson nearly throwing away a game at the end, where his team is clearly superior, by overcoaching.
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Raiders reportedly trying to acquire Palmer/UPDATE/aquired
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was thinking the exact same thing. right down to hue jackson nearly throwing away a game at the end, where his team is clearly superior, by overcoaching.
I liked the way he had the one-on-one with Danarius More after fielding the punt at the one yard line. Thankfully the Chargers committed a penalty & they had to re-kick.
Don't know why More didn't field the punt at the 20.
Cerberus
Hall of Fame
He appears to be that which Hue Jackson and the Raiders thought he was and could still be. With only a couple weeks under his belt, Palmer already looks better than Jason Campbell. And once again, there is talk that Manning, Brady and Palmer, are the elite QBs in the NFL. Palmer certainly has the tools, and last night broke Darryl Lamonica's 1968 Raider record for yards per catch with a 14.95 ypc effort. To be honest, I can't remember a Raider QB with as much talent as I've seen from Palmer so far. He has the arm of Jeff George and the football IQ of Rich Gannon, and as a total package appears to be superior to Plunkett and Stabler, though it has yet to be seen whether he has the heart of those two.
As for the trade? So far it is looking like a steal, especially when one considers that Chicago had to give up two first round picks (2009 & 2010) for Jay Cutler . . . AND a 3rd rounder in 2009 . . . AND Kyle Orton. In other words, Chicago gave up much more to get Cutler than the Raiders did to get Palmer! Yet, I think Palmer is better than Cutler, but that is just my opinion.
I still think it looks funny. One game against the 4-5 Chargers really doesn't change the way I feel.
gary
Hall of Fame
Palmer is a very solid QB with the right team. Correct, that it is too early to tell but I feel Carson has plenty left in the tank. We'll see but it might workout for both teams.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Is this a joke? Seriously, are you just some troll posing as an actual fan? The guy has 1 good game and you're ready to crown him the third best QB in the league? BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Oh man, that's the most blind homerism I have ever seen on this site. Even the most hardcore Schaub fans around here won't put him in the top 5. Palmer had a good game, against a terrible defense. Guess who else had a good game? Michael Bush, 157 yards on the ground. Not exactly tough to throw when the defense can't stop the run.
Why didn't you come on here after the Broncos game and make this claim? Did losing to Tim Tebow not help further your delusions about his skills? lol... Call me when he accomplishes something.
Also, Campbell > Palmer so far.
Cerberus
Hall of Fame
Actually, what I said is that there is "talk" about him being the 3rd best; that is true, that is "talk" with regard to where he is ranked in the upper echelon of NFL QBs. For example, here is one where the writer questioningly ranks him #4.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/raid...Carson-Palmer-rank?blockID=592418&feedID=5885
Actually, I saw a guy that looked like he came off the couch against KC, which is pretty much what he did. Then I saw a rusty QB against Denver. Thursday I watched a QB that has been on his team for 23 days, and looked really good without much practice. In other words, so far each game he has showed marked improvement, and he is not showing any ill-effects of his knee or elbow injuries. You call it homerism, I call it observation.
The opposite could be said as well.
Because nobody pulled this post up until after the SD game, so I responded. Get over it.
We shall see, but it isn't looking that way. Even Al Saunders commented "now that's a QB" when watching Palmer practice with the Raiders. BTW, my family are Redskin fans, if you know any just ask them about Campbell.
edo783
Hall of Fame
Gary, you are very correct for ONE game and it MAY even play out well for the rest of the year. However, they have put the long term future of their team at risk on a QB who has had trouble staying healthy and is way past the 30 mark. Just looks like they are trying to make on 8 the hard way if you know what I mean. The odds are very much stacked against them making it work out well for very long. Pretty glad for Carson that he is doing well though.
I think after Jackson chewed him out he was kinda nervous and didnt want to make the same mistake again ..... maybe he didnt realize where he was on the field and let it go.
He made some solid plays later in the game tho ....
Palmer looks a lot better now that he's settled in and knows the game play / play book better. Tho his OL and running game should get a lot of credit for making him comfortable in the pocket. His recievers made hm look good too - on two long balls , one overthrown by a foot or two and another slightly underthrown they made great plays on the ball .
I bet Rivers would gladly trade places with him ..... Dude got hammered all night long.
PapaL
Loose Screw
He's 31 and turns 32 in Dec. Hardly way past 30. Brees, Brady, Manning are older than him. He's definitely not old by QB standards by any means. Hell guys like Eli, Schaub, and Rivers turn(ed) 30 this year. IMO, with Carson on a team and Franchise that want to be good and has some talent he would EASILY fit in the second group of top tier QBs.
No risk/no reward.
To win big sometimes require taking a big risk. I would rather have a risk taking organization than an organization that plays it safe all of the time.
That's just my personality and I realize others will disagree.
Congrats Raiders, hope they make the playoffs.
Cerberus
Hall of Fame
Exactly! When Al Davis was alive and pulling the strings, you knew some deals would work out and others woudn't, but you always knew Davis was trying to win. The acquisition of Palmer is very Davis-esque, in that there is a potential for a huge reward. If Palmer becomes the Raiders' franchise QB for the next 4-5 years, then the trade was worth it. If he starts playing like JaMarcus Russell, then it was not worth it.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Hello. Lets see how Palmer has done so far:
123 219 56.2 1,730 9 TD's 13 INT's
What are Raider fans thinking?
Goatcheese
Texan
Not a raiders fan, obviously.
Considering he came in mid season and tossed like 6 picks in his first two games while knocking the rust off, I think he has been better than I expected for a guy who was sitting on his couch the week before.
Giving up a 1st and 2nd for Palmer is still way too much, but it doesn't look like the worst trade ever the way it did when it first went down.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
A few of those TDs came in garbage time too. His INTs are killing that team though. Averaging 2 INTs and 2 sacks a game is really hurting their chances too. They should probably have him throw less often as he seems to be making a lot of mistakes.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
They should be concentrating on running the ball and playing good defense. I haven't watched any of their games since they got him. Are they trying to base their offense around him now because he's got the big name and he's flailing or is he not fitting into their scheme and causing a bunch of problems?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Darren McFadden has been out since week 6 - technically 7 but he only had 2 carries. Palmer got his first start week 7.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Michael Bush is not a bad running back at all, and I believe he had a few good games in McFadden's absence. Palmer has either been really careless with the ball or has been screwed by an air it out gameplan.
The price was about right for Palmer. Hue Jackson knew if he didn't make the playoffs he was going to be fired. So he went all in.
Since his knee injury Palmer hasn;t been the same player. He's still good, but not the great QB that he was.
As far as the RG3 trade goes, Shanny went all in on RG3. If RG3 turns out to be the elite QB that I think he will be then the steep price will be well worth it.
After all when is the last time a team without an elite QB won the SB? Dilfer? I love the fact that Eli said he had become an elite QB then went out and won the SB. That guy has some moxie.
Since his knee injury Palmer hasn;t been the same player. He's still good, but not the great QB that he was.
As far as the RG3 trade goes, Shanny went all in on RG3. If RG3 turns out to be the elite QB that I think he will be then the steep price will be well worth it.
After all when is the last time a team without an elite QB won the SB? Dilfer? I love the fact that Eli said he had become an elite QB then went out and won the SB. That guy has some moxie.
Carson Palmer was anything but a "known quantity" & definately wasn't worth the price paid... they did not even make the play-offs, losing out to a Tim Tebow led team.
I thought the price for Palmer was too high. I think the price of this trade was high as well.
Wouldn't it be something though, if the Redskin's target is Trent Richardson. A talent that could turn Rex Grossman/John Beck into play-off quality QBs.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
The question with the Raiders trade wasn't whether the price was fair for a franchise QB, it was whether Carson Palmer circa 2011 actually was a franchise QB. I didn't think he was then, and I don't think he is now.
Overvaluing draft picks is a common mistake that franchises make. I could see where you're coming from on the Palmer deal. Palmer appears to be damaged mentally.
Relly all the Redskins gave up was a second this yr (They still got their man) and their 1st the next 2 yrs. Whether they gave up too much depends on if you think RG3 will be a top 5 QB in the next 3 yrs (I do)
Even though the Redskins will be without their 1st for a couple of yrs. They could use their remaining draft picks to trade up and get a guy in the 1st rd if a guy they want is there late in the 1st rd. Plus the fact that Snyder is willing to sign FA's to fill holes caused by this trade.
Love the Richardson pick. But I've got a feeling that Shanny wants a guy that has similar talent/build as Marshall, there should be a guy like Streeter/Toon availabe in Rd.3 . There's no way the Redskins made this trade for anybody but RG3. Richardson is a great player though.
This is a fair trade that benefits both the Redskins/short term and the Rams lomg term. As it should be. IMHO
eh.. I like to think of something like this, in the terms of the Raiders/Palmer deal. If the Raiders got to the AFC Championship game, it would have been two firsts. No play-offs & it's a first & a second....
It's about the results of the team. RGIII can be the next Phillip Rivers for all I care, but if the team only has one NFC Championship appearance (loss) over the next 10 years....... yeah, that's too much.
If they're a perennial play-off team over the next decade because of RGIII, definitely worth it.
Agreed
I like risk takers. When status quo isn't good enough to win a championship sometimes you've got to step out on a limb.
Personally I think RG3 is the best QB the Redskins have had since the Theismann/Jurgensen eras. It only took 2 decades for the Redskins to get a franchise QB.
If Schaub struggles next yr due to performance/injury woud you do this kind of deal for Barkley/Bray/to a lesser extent Jones? I think I would, especially since the Texans are a young team whose depth should be much improved after this yrs drft.
mattieuk
All Pro
I think the Redskins argument is a moot. By mere comparison of their ridiculous overpayment for has been free agents, any movement towards paying for a rookie is a solid move.
That said, they're kind of bent over a barrel in their contract negotiations with RGIII now! Seriously hope they've got something in place pre-contract wise.
That said, they're kind of bent over a barrel in their contract negotiations with RGIII now! Seriously hope they've got something in place pre-contract wise.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
There's a hard cap in place now for rookies, which combined with slotting will leave a pretty narrowly defined range for his contract amount. The recently signed CBA took away the majority of the leverage that RGIII would have previously had.
He might be the best prospect they've had (arguably, Jason Campbell was a pretty good prospect), but he ain't a franchise QB yet.
Hell no.
If we had a top 5 pick, maybe I would use it on a RG3, Sam Bradford, Jamarcus Russell, Vince Young... but I would never sell the farm to go up & get one.
I like the Drew Brees, Andy Dalton, 2nd round pick guys or the Aaron Rogers, Ben Rothlisberger, Jay Cutler type of guy.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
I don't think he was yesterday, today or tomorrow. This contract is Rick Smith type of work.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
Cerberus
Hall of Fame
Ah, but he is a franchise QB. He's 8th in yds, and has a 99 QB rating. Palmer's problems in the past had more to do with those around him, than his own talent. He's a bit of a head case too, but he can certainly play football.
Necro bump?
I just saw Carson's new contract, and know he's really helped turn Arizona around, and then I remembered this string. Thought it would be interesting if anyone had changed their minds on Carson. And I'll even make it easier for them:
Kirkpatrick or Palmer?
Schaub or Palmer?
Carson Palmer is not the same guy he was before he got his legs rolled up on. I think it took him a while to figure that out, & do something about it.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Ah, but he is a franchise QB. He's 8th in yds, and has a 99 QB rating. Palmer's problems in the past had more to do with those around him, than his own talent. He's a bit of a head case too, but he can certainly play football.
Necro bump?
I just saw Carson's new contract, and know he's really helped turn Arizona around, and then I remembered this string. Thought it would be interesting if anyone had changed their minds on Carson. And I'll even make it easier for them:
Kirkpatrick or Palmer?
Schaub or Palmer?
Lol. You've got the wrong audience. Palmer is on his 1st 90+ rating in a decade. His career rating is lower than Schaub who had 5 90+ seasons in a row since Palmer had his last one. And almost nobody around here thought Schaub was a franchise QB.
Cerberus
Hall of Fame
Just testing the water to see if anyone's opinion has changed over the last couple years.
Obviously, Palmer's numbers would have been different this year had he played every game, which is why I used the 8th in yards stat. Regardless, he seems to be playing quite well in Arizona; the desert must agree with him.
Obviously, Palmer's numbers would have been different this year had he played every game, which is why I used the 8th in yards stat. Regardless, he seems to be playing quite well in Arizona; the desert must agree with him.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
If you're asking have I changed my mind because somebody paid him a lot of money, then the answer is no. Andy Dalton, Joe Flacco and Jay Cutler all have contracts that are very much in line with (when adjusted for number of years), or richer than Palmer's, and I don't for a second view any of those guys as franchise QB's. Schaub was much the same when he was here - I thought at his best he was comfortably above average, and while I think he doesn't get the credit he deserves for that, I never thought he was a franchise QB.
Now if you're talking about his performance since I posted that, well then, the answer is still, no - I don't (although obviously I could be proven wrong). Since I posted that (and I haven't double-checked, but I'm assuming it was shortly after the trade), he's had one mediocre season, and he's played 5 games in 2014. While the Cards are 5-0 in those games, the opposition scored more than 20 points in exactly none of them. Arizona's offense is ranked in the bottom third of the league when defined by yards, and only tied for 13th when defined by points scored per game (and yes, I know defensive and return TD's go into that, but it's a yardstick, and if those points would significantly change my point, feel free to point that out).
He appears at this point to be playing better than at any time in the recent past, and the Cards could make some noise in the post season. Or they couldn't. Right now he's on a team that's 7-1 and looks to have good things ahead of them. We'll see where it goes, but no, nothing I've seen to this point has made me change my opinion.
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
Holy crap I thought they were trading him back when I saw this thread
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
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why do these GMS always do these dumb ass moves
Cant they predict the future and roll the dice sometimes heck that's what u have to do from time 2 time
that's how the Seahawks and 49ers got some short term success esp the seahawks they rolled the dice on some moves and got themselves a Lombardi trophy
Cant they predict the future and roll the dice sometimes heck that's what u have to do from time 2 time
that's how the Seahawks and 49ers got some short term success esp the seahawks they rolled the dice on some moves and got themselves a Lombardi trophy
Looks like they rolled the dice on Palmer... then this happened. .. what exactly were you wanting them to do?