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Mario Hurt - Out for Season

DX-TEX said:
The pressure now is ALL on Brookes Reed. Can the guy play? Can Wade motivate him to be a destroyer of QB's? He is going to be scrutinized like no other rookie in our history has been.
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??? Really? I think we could play another 100 seasons and the guy who's going on I.R. today will always hold that title.
 
Carr Bombed said:
??? Really? I think we could play another 100 seasons and the guy who's going on I.R. today will always hold that title.
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Yeah because of the timing and ONLY the timing. This was the year, this was the year it was ALL going to change. We were going to become relevant in the grand scheme of the NFL.

Took 7 seconds at the end of yesterdays game to change that completely.
 
DX-TEX said:
Yeah because of the timing and ONLY the timing. This was the year, this was the year it was ALL going to change. We were going to become relevant in the grand scheme of the NFL.

Took 7 seconds at the end of yesterdays game to change that completely.
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Well if you think losing Mario is going to completely destroy every chance of success I can see why you'd feel that way. I think we still have the pieces to pick up the slack and move on and still be a damn good team.


We do need to start catching some luck in the injury department though.
 
How about trading for Jarred Allen? Guy is leading the league in sacks but his team is in last place.
 
DX-TEX said:
How about trading for Jarred Allen? Guy is leading the league in sacks but his team is in last place.
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Why don't we give our 2nd round pick a shot? People who are drafted in the top 2 rounds should have bona fide starting ability on your football team, that's how teams are built. You pick up starters in the top couple of rounds and then acquire depth/hopefully potential starters in the mid rounds and down.

If the Texans aren't comfortable with Brooks Reed starting then they should've never drafted him and once again they've made another mistake.

It's the Brooks Reed show now, it's time to see if the kid can play. Next man up.
 
DX-TEX said:
How about trading for Jarred Allen? Guy is leading the league in sacks but his team is in last place.
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Plays in a totally different system and the Vikings won't let him go for 2nd rounders. Would rather use those to get a top WR because that is actually possible. (ie bowe,djax)
 
Dumb question .. is Mario an R or UR FA? Same with Foster ... can we use the franchise tag?
 
This fuccin sucks.

The pass rush just took a step back despite what some have said about Mario's affect (or lack of) on the defense.

Hopefully Brooks Reed is better than Mario or just as good or slightly below or whatever in the hell people said about him when wanting to trade mario and start him.
 
Rey said:
This fuccin sucks.

The pass rush just took a step back despite what some have said about Mario's affect (or lack of) on the defense.

Hopefully Brooks Reed is better than Mario or just as good or slightly below or whatever in the hell people said about him when wanting to trade mario and start him.
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No he isn't. Hopefully he will learn before it is too late this year.
 
Time for Wade Phillips to earn his pay some more. What do you do when your best pass rusher goes on IR and you have a struggling team? Stay tuned...
 
PapaL said:
Time for Wade Phillips to earn his pay some more. What do you do when your best pass rusher goes on IR and you have a struggling team? Stay tuned...
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Man, that would suck if Antonio Smith went on the I.R. Good thing he hasn't.

Mario's injury is going to affect our rush defense more than the pass rush, I think. Now, if we lose another pass rusher, then we are in some real trouble.
 
And the way it sounded to me, done as a Texan.

Kubiak was asked to the effect of coaching Mario for the last time ...

I feel bad for Mario. Heck of a player. What we're doing, it will blossom his career from now on. He was improving every day, every practice, every game. Never seen Mario so upbeat on what was going on and to lose him on a freak play. I'm disappointed for Mario. It's tough on the team.
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Transcribed Kubiak Presser
 
It isn't like we couldn't franchise him if we wanted to keep him
(unless I am missing something)

It depends on reed though. If he steps up.........
 
Kimmy said:
Dumb question .. is Mario an R or UR FA? Same with Foster ... can we use the franchise tag?
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Mario will be an unrestricted free agent after this season. And the Texans can use the franchise tag on him.

Foster will still be an exclusive rights free agent after this season. He can only sign with the Texans.
 
Wolf said:
It isn't like we couldn't franchise him if we wanted to keep him
(unless I am missing something)

It depends on reed though. If he steps up.........
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If Reed steps up, Barwin may be odd man out. Oopps, Barwin is one of the 74 people more important to the Texans than Mario...my bad.
 
dalemurphy said:
Man, that would suck if Antonio Smith went on the I.R. Good thing he hasn't.

Mario's injury is going to affect our rush defense more than the pass rush, I think. Now, if we lose another pass rusher, then we are in some real trouble.
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You can argue for or against MW till cows come home. Fact of the matter is that was 4th in sacks and the D, the pass rush, and Smith all disappeared after MW went down.

I've been very vocal about MW always ALMOST getting a sack but from what I saw yesterday things changed after he went down. No one else almost got a sack AND no one else got a sack after his injury.

Let's see what schemes Wade comes up with. We are gonna need someone to step up, FACT,
 
PapaL said:
You can argue for or against MW till cows come home. Fact of the matter is that was 4th in sacks and the D, the pass rush, and Smith all disappeared after MW went down.

I've been very vocal about MW always ALMOST getting a sack but from what I saw yesterday things changed after he went down. No one else almost got a sack AND no one else got a sack after his injury.

Let's see what schemes Wade comes up with. We are gonna need someone to step up, FACT,
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Actually think it was number 5, or 4.5. Somewhere along those lines. Sacks aren't the only think to look at when judgeing impact, but the fact that people who had been wreaking havoc instantly vanished is a big neon sign.
 
I believe we had 2 sacks after Mario went out: Brian Cushing and Troy Nolan.

The pressure definitely went down though.
 
HJam72 said:
I believe we had 2 sacks after Mario went out: Brian Cushing and Troy Nolan.

The pressure definitely went down though.
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And they had to use the blitz. Thats one thing they haven't had to do this year was send alot of blitzs. Just some stunts.
 
PapaL said:
You can argue for or against MW till cows come home. Fact of the matter is that was 4th in sacks and the D, the pass rush, and Smith all disappeared after MW went down.
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I'm rewatching the game..... Mario got his sack early in the 1st qtr... that's also when he got hurt & left the game. Jason Campbell was sacked twice after that.... & he's taking a beating in the second half. Tim Jamison even dusted his cleats off with him a couple of times.

Plenty of pressure without the big guy.
 
PapaL said:
You can argue for or against MW till cows come home. Fact of the matter is that was 4th in sacks and the D, the pass rush, and Smith all disappeared after MW went down.

I've been very vocal about MW always ALMOST getting a sack but from what I saw yesterday things changed after he went down. No one else almost got a sack AND no one else got a sack after his injury.

Let's see what schemes Wade comes up with. We are gonna need someone to step up, FACT,
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actually nolan did get a sack after MW went out, but as far as the D-Line went i thought they all left the field when mario left and said the F with it. thats about as much as they did the whole game.
 
Damn we must be watching two completely different games, I still saw pressure after Mario went out...infact NFL.com already commented on it also.

After Williams got hurt against the Raiders on Sunday, the Texans kept a steady diet of pressure on quarterback Jason Campbell and hit him several times. They also did a solid job of not allowing too many big runs by tailback Darren McFadden. Players stepped up.
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d823010c2/article/loss-of-williams-hurts-but-texans-still-can-win-division?module=HP11_content_stream

Our pass rush didn't fall off or completely disappear after Mario left the game. They kept suppling consistent pressure and almost went a whole other quarter without allowing a first down AFTER Mario went out. Not bad against a team that only allowed 1 sack on the season before yesterday's game.
 
DX-TEX said:
The pressure now is ALL on Brookes Reed. Can the guy play? Can Wade motivate him to be a destroyer of QB's? He is going to be scrutinized like no other rookie in our history has been.
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david carr and kareem jackson say hello.

scratch that, pretty much every first round pick we've ever had who became instant starters say hello.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Damn we must be watching two completely different , I still saw pressure after Mario went out...infact NFL.com already commented on it also.



http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d823010c2/article/loss-of-williams-hurts-but-texans-still-can-win-division?module=HP11_content_stream

Our pass rush didn't fall off or completely disappear after Mario left the game. They kept suppling consistent pressure and almost went a whole other quarter without allowing a first down AFTER Mario went out. Not bad against a team that only allowed 1 sack on the season before yesterday's game.
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i understand what the stats say, but i noticed it, hell everyone noticed it once mario left our D line was almost to the point of ineffective. You can say the LBs and Safety continued to play well as Nolan and Cushing both got sacks BUT not the D-Line. Smith was invisible, i didnt hear his name once.
 
This sucks big donkey balls but the mario nutt huggers on here are ridiculous. He was playing the run really well but despite his sack number he wasn't killing it in the pass rush department. And he was not our best or most important defensive player. Does it suck he's hurt? He'll yes! But the hype over this is as overblown as his pass rush skills.

Wonder if we are considering signing what's his name that had a tryout recently. You know the guy the jets cut? Blanking on his name for some reason.
 
mussop said:
This sucks big donkey balls but the mario nutt huggers on here are ridiculous. He was playing the run really well but despite his sack number he wasn't killing it in the pass rush department. And he was not our best or most important defensive player. Does it suck he's hurt? He'll yes! But the hype over this is as overblown as his pass rush skills.

Wonder if we are considering signing what's his name that had a tryout recently. You know the guy the jets cut? Blanking on his name for some reason.
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ok we'll see how many more sacks this amazing d-line gets without him the rest of the season. they have 12 with him, and NONE once he went out sunday, so we'll finish this convo when the seasons over.
 
mussop said:
Wonder if we are considering signing what's his name that had a tryout recently. You know the guy the jets cut? Blanking on his name for some reason.
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Vernon Gholston? I don't want that roid freak anywhere near Brian Cushing. Cush is on the 12 step program and it's working.
 
EllisUnit said:
i understand what the stats say, but i noticed it, hell everyone noticed it once Mario left our D line was almost to the point of ineffective. You can say the LBs and Safety continued to play well as Nolan and Cushing both got sacks BUT not the D-Line. Smith was invisible, i didn't hear his name once.
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I didn't notice a big noticeable change and it's about pressure....who the heck cares WHERE it came from, we were still able to supply it. Also the Raiders oline has been lights out this season....they've made every Dline they face "disappear" this season.

Are we a better team without Mario...nope and we are going to have to do things differently scheme wise with him out, but does that mean I think the pass rush is going to go into the crapper also. Most definitely not, I still have a lot of confidence in Phillips ability to get after the opposing QB with the players we have on this roster.
 
EllisUnit said:
ok we'll see how many more sacks this amazing d-line gets without him the rest of the season. they have 12 with him, and NONE once he went out sunday, so we'll finish this convo when the seasons over.
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You are wrong already. They have two sacks after he went out.
 
Lucky said:
Vernon Gholston? I don't want that roid freak anywhere near Brian Cushing. Cush is on the 12 step program and it's working.
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I don't either but we have to sign someone. Just wondering if he is a consideration.

Does the NFL salary cap offer any kind of salary relief for injured players with big contracts? I know they do it in the NBA.
 
Give Gholston the benefit of the doubt. MW is gone, give anothe combine freak a shot.
 
EllisUnit said:
i understand what the stats say, but i noticed it, hell everyone noticed it once mario left our D line was almost to the point of ineffective. You can say the LBs and Safety continued to play well as Nolan and Cushing both got sacks BUT not the D-Line. Smith was invisible, i didnt hear his name once.
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I still saw Jamison, Barwin, Reed, & Smith get licks on Campbell.

I guarantee you ask Campbell how invisible our line was he'll tell you he never lost sight of them.

In New Orleans, when he wasn't out there, there was nothing from the line. Not so much vs Oakland, the guys were stepping up.
 
infantrycak said:
It matters whether you are sending four guys or seven to get pressure.



Cushing and Nolan are on the Dline now?
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So the Texans will have to blitz more to get pressure...I guess nobody else in the league does that now? Hell alot of teams do nothing, but bring the heat..some DCs entire scheme is based on that.

This is still a 3-4 defense so I have no problem with the sacks coming from our OLBers or even ILBers in timely blitzes. Yes not having Mario is a blow, but look on a bright side. Teams aren't going to know who to key in on, because they won't know where the heat is coming from either.
 
infantrycak said:
It matters whether you are sending four guys or seven to get pressure.



Cushing and Nolan are on the Dline now?
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As long as you get there it matters how? The Texans got there early and often. Campbell played a good game and hung in there knowing he would get clobbered. That's a distinct difference compared to Shoelace Schaub.
 
infantrycak said:
It matters whether you are sending four guys or seven to get pressure.



Cushing and Nolan are on the Dline now?
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Exactly. Jason Allen not, I am betting the outside blitzes had something to do with DHB's success. Basically relegating to 10 yard cushions because all the support is blitzing. It's all up to Phillips to disguise the loss of Mario's impact better.

The loss of Mario hurts... :(
 
Carr Bombed said:
So the Texans will have to blitz more to get pressure...I guess nobody else in the league does that now? Hell alot of teams do nothing, but bring the heat..some DCs entire scheme is based on that.

This is still a 3-4 defense so I have no problem with the sacks coming from our OLBers or even ILBers in timely blitzes. Yes not having Mario is a blow, but look on a bright side. Teams aren't going to know who to key in on, because they won't know where the heat is coming from either.
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Every team in the NFL would love to not have to blitz to get pressure. The less you blitz, the more you can leave in coverage. We were one of the teams that had good pressure packages without the blitz. Now, not so much.
 
Carr Bombed said:
So the Texans will have to blitz more to get pressure...I guess nobody else in the league does that now? Hell alot of teams do nothing, but bring the heat..some DCs entire scheme is based on that.

This is still a 3-4 defense so I have no problem with the sacks coming from our OLBers or even ILBers in timely blitzes. Yes not having Mario is a blow, but look on a bright side. Teams aren't going to know who to key in on, because they won't know where the heat is coming from either.
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Regardless.

We're talking about a team that only gave up 2 sacks in the previous five weeks. Did none of those teams blitz?

When Mario got his sack.... did we only send 4?

Did we only blitz "because" Mario left the game? I don't think so, I bet we played everything the same way we would have if Mario was in the game. Maybe Mario would have got another sack, maybe we'd have blitzed one, maybe two times less. Maybe three..... it doesn't really matter. That's not the point.

The Raiders haven't given up three sacks in any game this year, they did against what we were able to put on the field.
 
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