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Mario movement rumors (MERGED) Signs with Buffalo $100 million

When you play the Colts twice per year, you need to be ready to play a LOT of nickel defense. Many 3-4 teams transition to 4 down lineman in the nickel. Mario, an excellent pass rusher and run stopper, will still have plenty role to play in those situations
 
I don't understand the sentiment that Mario won't be here after this year. Are they changing the franchise tag rules?
 
Rey said:
I don't understand the sentiment that Mario won't be here after this year. Are they changing the franchise tag rules?
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I guess my question is , if he has injury problems again this year or does not adapt to 3-4 is he worth the franchise tag? We did not franchise Dunta this last year and we got the last pick in the draft as compensation. I guess i would like to get more for Mario than that. If we end up with say a 4th round draft choice in compensation for Mario the overall talent level of the team goes down. The goal is to win championships or at least get into the playoffs and be in the game. You get there with coaching AND players. If the quality of your players is going downhill or is not going up as quick as other teams then you are losing ground. You can make a quick change in the coaching but the talent level of the players is a long term and ongoing process.
 
steelbtexan said:
Time will tell on MW.

Just remember that I called last season beforehand. Wade will improve the defense and I can see an 8-8 maybe 9-7 at best. MW will be playing at a lower level because of some injury. Just like almost every other yr in his career. IMHO
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I agree 100%. The defense will improve but this will put the offense in play and guess what it will be average at best if significant additions aren't made.
In reference to Mario I have even gone as far as to post the conspiracy theory that the Texans make up injuries so as to hide that they made a poor choice.

I see the Texans as 8-8 or 7-9 as they will be above average in offense, below average in defense, and way below average in coaching. Beleive me i pray i am wrong.
 
Riddle me this: if Watt and Mario have very similar combine stats and measurements, why isn't Mario a perfect fit for a 3-4 DE if Watt is?

Call me crazy, but I think Mario is going to have a career year.
 
b0ng said:
I'm still failing to see why this front office would feel it's prudent to make a move like this before seeing how Mario performs in this defense. I also don't understand the logic of trading a proven commodity for an unproven rookie?
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Tell me how many games MW will play before his annual injury bug bites?

I would take Peterson in a heartbeat. (No injury issues and he's every bit the athletic freak MW is)

A plus in adeal like this is that the deal frees up MW's $$$$ to be a player in FA. Say you want ASO, trading MW gives you the $$$$ to do the deal. In addition to getting Peterson.

That's why this deal will never happen. That and the fact that Arizona would never do a trade for MW.
 
VTexan said:
Riddle me this: if Watt and Mario have very similar combine stats and measurements, why isn't Mario a perfect fit for a 3-4 DE if Watt is?

Call me crazy, but I think Mario is going to have a career year.
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I have no idea why Mario is not a perfecct fit for the 3-4. Mario could have a career year IF he stays healthy and adapts. My problem is even if this happens THEN WHAT??? You feel he is worth another long term mega contract based on this his contract year i guess. I am in the other camp that feels that with his history he is not worth it. Just a difference of opinion.

I agree if Mario is a beast we have a better chance of making the playoffs this year. We are risking not getting maximum value for him in a trade if he does not or even if he does. I know we can franchise but that is a short term solution. Again just my opinion.
 
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steelbtexan said:
Tell me how many games MW will play before his annual injury bug bites?

I would take Peterson in a heartbeat. (No injury issues and he's every bit the athletic freak MW is)
A plus in adeal like this is that the deal frees up MW's $$$$ to be a player in FA. Say you want ASO, trading MW gives you the $$$$ to do the deal. In addition to getting Peterson.

That's why this deal will never happen. That and the fact that Arizona would never do a trade for MW.
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I'm just jumping in here. I haven't read all these posts. Shouldn't we be interested in signing football players and not athletic freaks? MW seems to have all the tools but is either injured in some way or just doesn't give it his all every play. IMO, he doesn't merit another mega-contract, almost regardless of stats in a contract year. Let Washington sign Haynesworth v2.0. He hasn't been the difference maker that he should have been. I would rather see how Ryans comes back from his injury and give him a mega-contract. He's been much more consistent and an overall better player.
I guess I'm saying I would trade him for the right price.
 
DocBar said:
:twocents:I'm just jumping in here. I haven't read all these posts. Shouldn't we be interested in signing football players and not athletic freaks? MW seems to have all the tools but is either injured in some way or just doesn't give it his all every play. IMO, he doesn't merit another mega-contract, almost regardless of stats in a contract year. Let Washington sign Haynesworth v2.0. He hasn't been the difference maker that he should have been. I would rather see how Ryans comes back from his injury and give him a mega-contract. He's been much more consistent and an overall better player.
I guess I'm saying I would trade him for the right price.
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Well Doc we agree here about Mario. I am not sure about mega-contract for Ryans but Mario is the focus in this discussion.
 
steelbtexan said:
Tell me how many games MW will play before his annual injury bug bites?

I would take Peterson in a heartbeat. (No injury issues and he's every bit the athletic freak MW is)

A plus in adeal like this is that the deal frees up MW's $$$$ to be a player in FA. Say you want ASO, trading MW gives you the $$$$ to do the deal. In addition to getting Peterson.

That's why this deal will never happen. That and the fact that Arizona would never do a trade for MW.
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I'll say he plays 16 games this year, just like in 4 out of the 5 years he's been here. None of what Williams has shown on the field warrants the Texans trading him for the prudence of the organization that's just angry fan talk for "He's not performing up to my standard". Also, letting Mario Williams go to another team because of Free Agency money in this year (as of this post anyway) is patently stupid because there is no salary cap right now.

I'm just happy in knowing that none of what is presented in this thread actually has a chance of happening. It would be patently stupid to trade Mario, right now, for anything less than a couple of picks, 1 of them at least being a first.
 
b0ng said:
I'll say he plays 16 games this year, just like in 4 out of the 5 years he's been here. None of what Williams has shown on the field warrants the Texans trading him for the prudence of the organization that's just angry fan talk for "He's not performing up to my standard". Also, letting Mario Williams go to another team because of Free Agency money in this year (as of this post anyway) is patently stupid because there is no salary cap right now.

I'm just happy in knowing that none of what is presented in this thread actually has a chance of happening. It would be patently stupid to trade Mario, right now, for anything less than a couple of picks, 1 of them at least being a first.
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The only way i would trade Mario is if i received a 1st and 2nd this year as well as a 1st next year
 
My focus is on Mario is under contract and his base I believe is around $4million. Cap hit higher but should not effect going after Nnamdi. We have to decide what to do with Mario and can trade him if the right offer appears. I hate to just allow him to go but doubt he will be worth to Texans what he can get on market. We can franchise tag him & then try to work a trade with whomever wants him. Hopefully, Watt will be ready to replace Williams if necessary. I am very ambivalent on Mario who has been a very good player but not what I hoped for.

Asomugha turned down $17 million from Oakland but that is not necessarily what he will get under a new contract. The contract could be backloaded as many are and a bonus of $25m spread over 5 year deal is a $5m/annual + $10m salary/annual should be enticing. I think our closest competitor so far is Dallas who has been picked to get to SB last two years by some. We compete with Romo rated higher than Schaub but Andre J. higher than Austin. Rb Dallas don't look so good. Foster NFL leader and Tate probably pretty good. Ware has more game impact but Mario should have pretty good year. If Aso looking to get a ring, we can give him as much as Dallas.

Texans now have about $6-8million in players released or others that could easily go. I think Aso would appreciate McNair over Davis so ASAP Bob ought to have his plane sitting in Aso's driceway bring him in for a Houston welcome. Hey it got us aother Super Bowl in Houston.
 
I would be shocked if the Texans ever do anything that would get me excited. Bob's motto is "status quo" and until he starts doing some things to change my mind I am not even going to contemplate this stuff.
 
Hookem Horns said:
I would be shocked if the Texans ever do anything that would get me excited. Bob's motto is "status quo" and until he starts doing some things to change my mind I am not even going to contemplate this stuff.
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I hear you. I know I started this thread with Aso in mind but I am not so sure it is a good idea to tie that much money into one player for a long period of time. The good thing is in the NFL you can let a player go unlike the other sports. I still feel thought should be given as to what to do with Mario in that this is his last year and he will be an UFA. I am hoping there is at least one team that would make a trade favorable to the Texans with respect to Mario. In reality there may not be offers. The other teams see what we see. Plus and this is the point, I don't think the Texan's braintrust is even considering it.

Your signoff makes me want to laugh and cry at the same time.
 
DocBar said:
shaddap and drink your :koolaid: LOL
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Charlie Pallilo when discussing a trade with me prior to draft IF CBA signed thought New England might trade #28 & #33. I wanted Taylor and Aaron Williams with Brandon Harris with our own #2. Still would have missed on Taylor & probably would have went with Ayers instead. Would have taken Watt # 11 to replace Mario.
 
badboy said:
Charlie Pallilo when discussing a trade with me prior to draft IF CBA signed thought New England might trade #28 & #33. I wanted Taylor and Aaron Williams with Brandon Harris with our own #2. Still would have missed on Taylor & probably would have went with Ayers instead. Would have taken Watt # 11 to replace Mario.
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Name dropping does NOT excuse you from drinking your kool aid. Maybe a note from CND, but not name dropping. It's tacky. :rofl:
 
I know with the strike it is probably not feasible that we do anything this year. Big question next year will he be worth anything to the Texans? Do we franchise? I sure don't think he is worth a long term commitment. Texans by not doing anything will get nothing or worse.
 
I can't believe you brought this up from the grave. :gun:

On second thought, yes I can.:wadepalm:
 
Got to restructure Mario to a long term deal as first order of business, then we can go out there and target whoever we want for however much we want.
 
good grief Mario is making $20 Million this season. Wow. Wasn't aware of that. He had better at least be a top 5 pass rusher this season.
 
Texecutioner said:
good grief Mario is making $20 Million this season. Wow. Wasn't aware of that. He had better at least be a top 5 pass rusher this season.
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Highest number I can find is $14m. Funnily enough the lowest I have seen is $3.75m.

MARIO WILLIAMS IS ONLY MAKING $3.75M!!11oneone.
 
welsh texan said:
Got to restructure Mario to a long term deal as first order of business, then we can go out there and target whoever we want for however much we want.
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No thank you. I'll see what I get offered next off season after the tremendous year my new best friend Wade Phillips tells me I'm gonna have. signed Mario
 
gafftop said:
Simplified possible Mario outcomes next season:
1. Plays good when healthy but has some type of nagging injury as last two years
2. Does not adapt to 3-4.
3. Plays great in his contract year

In 1 we get probably nothing or do we get compensation because we do not sign as we did with Dunta. Last pick in draft. LOL

In 2 same as 1

In 3, do you want to give Mario say 20+ million for the next 5 years based on his last year of performance. Say the cap is 120 million. If you divide in half, half for offense and half for defense, do you really want to give Mario 33% of all money for defense? I sure don't. DO YOU?

In reality probably no player is worth that large of % of cap. Maybe Peyton or Brady etc QBs of that caliber may be the only position that warrants that and even then it is a crap shoot because of injury.

The above is why I think IF you can get a good deal in a trade this year you do it.

It is very likely that other teams view Mario in the same way and will give nothing for him this year. I don't know. But if there are teams out that that covet him I think it should seriously be considered by the Texans.

I don't think Aso is a good deal based on reasoning above.
Just my opinion.
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Here we are a few months later
 
gafftop said:
one of my main concerns and i think one of the main problems in getting something in a trade for mario is injury concerns. Every year he has "something" that causes him to play below optimum levels. This along with the change in defensive systems, his salary, and his inconsistent effort makes me want to make a trade. I do want it to be a good or at least a fair trade. I also think another year of injuries will lower his trade value. I think it is easier to get a d lineman than a true shutdown corner. If mario could play up to his potential then i would not be proposing this trade, but due to injuries he never has. I think you help yourself multiple ways with this trade. Along with the shutdown corner and a proven d lineman you either move up in the draft or get additional quality draft choices. I am afraid next year we will have a repeat of the carr/kubiak incident where kubiak realizes carr isn't the one and then gets nothing for carr. I could easily see this happening with mario/wade.
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3/2011
 
gafftop said:
3/2011
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Are you looking for one of these?

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gafftop said:
3/2011
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The only thing you were right about was the injury.

As far as his play, he has 5 of the teams 15 sacks and again you hardly ever get 'nothing' in return in the NFL. If Mario walks or the Texans let him go they get cap space that could be used on a big name free agent.
 
Looking for a winning football team. This front office is so shortsighted that they don't see the potential problems until they already occur. They needed a good WR this year but did nothing. They needed more help on D and maybe a Mario trade would have helped them in these regards. Putting all your eggs in one basket especially when that basket has a tendency to break is not the best plan. Now don't bring AJ into this discussion like you did before. With AJ you have a proven pro bowl player, with Mario all you had was a player with potential with a history of injuries. I think if anything I want a new front office( including head coach) because until there is a change there I think you get the same results, a .500 or worse football team.
 
Well, it sucks Mario is out for the season. But even so, I'm so glad we didn't trade him. He was playing EXTREMELY well and I think he's a huge piece of why this defense was playing so well. IIRC part of the "trade" thought was to clear up space for Nnamdi. I'm PERFECTLY happy we got Johnathan Joseph who is playing outstanding.

As far as Mario's past injuries go... while they were more annoying than anything, they never were overly concerning to me. He is a tough dude who played through a lot, and even while doing that was consistently one of the best DEs in the league. It's easy to say he hasn't performed up to our liking... but he honestly has been one of the best over the past several years.

For all of Mario's lingering injuries... he still started 77 of his first 77 games as a pro. He never missed a start until Week 15 of his 5th season! Even at that we were completely out of the playoff picture and it was in the best interest of the team and Mario to shut him down, go ahead and get surgery and prepare him for 2011. After that, no offseason stuff, new DC and 'new' position... Mario was playing at an All-Pro level.
 
gafftop said:
Looking for a winning football team. This front office is so shortsighted that they don't see the potential problems until they already occur. They needed a good WR this year but did nothing. They needed more help on D and maybe a Mario trade would have helped them in these regards. Putting all your eggs in one basket especially when that basket has a tendency to break is not the best plan. Now don't bring AJ into this discussion like you did before. With AJ you have a proven pro bowl player, with Mario all you had was a player with potential with a history of injuries. I think if anything I want a new front office( including head coach) because until there is a change there I think you get the same results, a .500 or worse football team.
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Okay see Mario has been to pro-bowls and named a All-pro player twice. He was WELL on that track this season. So i'd say his potential had been reached. Unless you expected Reggie White that is. Also that he has the 4th most sacks since entering the league and STILL has room to get better.

As far as his injuries. Hes played every single game in 4 of his 6 seasons. Last year he missed 3 games and this is his first year being on IR.

So this whole 'injury' problem sounds like something you've just now brought up. You want to see injury problems look at other Houston star players Tmac and Yao now those guys were out all the time.
 
fiasco west said:
Okay see Mario has been to pro-bowls and named a All-pro player twice. He was WELL on that track this season. So i'd say his potential had been reached. Unless you expected Reggie White that is. Also that he has the 4th most sacks since entering the league and STILL has room to get better.

As far as his injuries. Hes played every single game in 4 of his 6 seasons. Last year he missed 3 games and this is his first year being on IR.

So this whole 'injury' problem sounds like something you've just now brought up. You want to see injury problems look at other Houston star players Tmac and Yao now those guys were out all the time.
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Great post.
 
fiasco west said:
Okay see Mario has been to pro-bowls and named a All-pro player twice. He was WELL on that track this season. So i'd say his potential had been reached. Unless you expected Reggie White that is. Also that he has the 4th most sacks since entering the league and STILL has room to get better.

As far as his injuries. Hes played every single game in 4 of his 6 seasons. Last year he missed 3 games and this is his first year being on IR.

So this whole 'injury' problem sounds like something you've just now brought up. You want to see injury problems look at other Houston star players Tmac and Yao now those guys were out all the time.
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HOU-TEX said:
Are you looking for one of these?

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LOL

Hate to admit it but looking back on it. He was right. He called MW getting hurt. Only this time he was knocked out for the seaso. Hindsight is 20/20 but trading MW was the right move.
 
steelbtexan said:
LOL

Hate to admit it but looking back on it. He was right. He called MW getting hurt. Only this time he was knocked out for the seaso. Hindsight is 20/20 but trading MW was the right move.
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I may have to disagree, but it's hard to say. I've been on the Mario is "overrated" bandwagon for quite some time now. However he really started playing well in this system this season and I thought it might make him even worse but it seemed to make him better. Now, 5 games is obviously not enough time to completely gauge at how well he would have done all season, but it looked like he was about to take off. I'm not sure you could have guessed that he would have been out all season long. My problem with Mario was always that he seemed to play with a lack of effort at times and take plays off. Not really his injuries.

I don't know if I could say that he should have been traded at this point. Not even after the injury. He was playing like a beast, so I'll back off of a lot of what my critique was on Mario for a while. At least until I can see more of what he could do in Wade's system.
 
Prior ingrown toenails, plantar fascitis and sports hernia directly correlates to getting a torn pectoral muscle. Maybe Cloak can give some insight...

Cushing is often injured, Andre has missed a ton of games from injury, Schaub has gotten knocked around a lot while here. Should we trade these guys too?
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Prior ingrown toenails, plantar fascitis and sports hernia directly correlates to getting a torn pectoral muscle. Maybe Cloak can give some insight...

Cushing is often injured, Andre has missed a ton of games from injury, Schaub has gotten knocked around a lot while here. Should we trade these guys too?
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What his foot flew up and hit him in his chest? jk
:rake:
 
gafftop said:
Looking for a winning football team. This front office is so shortsighted that they don't see the potential problems until they already occur. They needed a good WR this year but did nothing. They needed more help on D and maybe a Mario trade would have helped them in these regards. Putting all your eggs in one basket especially when that basket has a tendency to break is not the best plan. Now don't bring AJ into this discussion like you did before. With AJ you have a proven pro bowl player, with Mario all you had was a player with potential with a history of injuries. I think if anything I want a new front office( including head coach) because until there is a change there I think you get the same results, a .500 or worse football team.
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LOL I guess it is true, no matter where you post, you still see stuff like this


So now our front office has to predict the future and injuries?

We needed a lot this off-season, but we damn near maxed out our salary with the moves we made, how were we going to sign a wr better than what we have? Mario has had issues, but hes played through most of them, I see him getting tagged at a DE pay rate and then we will judge his value based on next season.
 
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