Keep Texans Talk Google Ad Free!
Venmo Tip Jar | Paypal Tip Jar
Thanks for your support! 🍺😎👍

Re: Dunta & Smithiak

Mr teX said:
Jesus H. Christ..I gotta hand it to you, You really know how to take something & run with it....
Click to expand...

Trust me when I say, it's just begun. He'll be running with it all off-season up until week 1. He basically copy and pastes the same post.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Trust me when I say, it's just begun. He'll be running with it all off-season up until week 1. He basically copy and pastes the same post.
Click to expand...

At least he's CONSISTENT with his feelings, and doesn't hem and haw like a lot of other drones on this board. And, at least he feels strongly and passioantely about something and he doesn't mind saying it.

I respect that.
 
houstonspartan said:
At least he's CONSISTENT with his feelings, and doesn't hem and haw like a lot of other drones on this board. And, at least he feels strongly and passioantely about something and he doesn't mind saying it.

I respect that.
Click to expand...

I thought this too....after the first 2 years.
 
Hey guys, bottom line is that our secondary was understaffed in the veteran and leadership department leading to our 6-10 year. You dont want Dunta? Fine. Get someone else who can give our defense what it needs. Dont just ignore the problem and hope nobody notices.

And as far as Kubiak goes, McNair will fire him next year. Always a year too late. See David Carr.
 
houstonspartan said:
Well may when, and if, this team proves him wrong, he will change his tune. But, so far, his complaints have merit - still.
Click to expand...

He post like a shotgun. No need to really aim, all you have to do is turn in the targets direction & get close enough & you'll hit some part of it. He'll drop 1 long post with like 3-4 different angles where most of what he's saying is either off base or terribly over-simplified but there will be 1 piece of it where he's actually right...all just so he can say "i told you so..".
 
Through the retrospectoscope, the correct move would have been to franchise Dumta again and then go all in this year on one of the GOOD corners like Baily or Nmandi.
 
Mr teX said:
He post like a shotgun. No need to really aim, all you have to do is turn in the targets direction & get close enough & you'll hit some part of it. He'll drop 1 long post with like 3-4 different angles where most of what he's saying is either off base or terribly over-simplified but there will be 1 piece of it where he's actually right...all just so he can say "i told you so..".
Click to expand...

Tell me what wasn't factual about his post. Just because you dont like to read it doesn't make it not true.

6-10,9-7 and people on this MB being satisfied is what it is.

Meanwhile teams that spend the $$$$ are making long runs in the playoffs.

Jets too many FA,trades that cost $$$$ to count,

Bears sign Peppers and trade for Cutler and can you say NFC championship game.

Packers sign Woodson in FA. Wouldn't he look good in a Txans uni? Made SB.

Steelers are the only team that isn't built this way. But they are agressive in the draft. Traded up to get Polomalu. Signed Farrior in FA. These moves made them a SB participant. But we wont ever confuse BoB/Gary/Rick with Rooney/Colbert/Tomlin.

Are you Jamey Rootes or BoB McNair? Maybe Smith or Kubiak? That's the only way you can justify this koolaid being so mmm -mmm good.
 
steelbtexan said:
Tell me what wasn't factual about his post. Just because you dont like to read it doesn't make it not true.

6-10,9-7 and people on this MB being satisfied is what it is.

Meanwhile teams that spend the $$$$ are making long runs in the playoffs.

Jets too many FA,trades that cost $$$$ to count,

Bears sign Peppers and trade for Cutler and can you say NFC championship game.

Packers sign Woodson in FA. Wouldn't he look good in a Txans uni? Made SB.

Steelers are the only team that isn't built this way. But they are agressive in the draft. Traded up to get Polomalu. Signed Farrior in FA. These moves made them a SB participant. But we wont ever confuse BoB/Gary/Rick with Rooney/Colbert/Tomlin.

Are you Jamey Rootes or BoB McNair? Maybe Smith or Kubiak? That's the only way you can justify this koolaid being so mmm -mmm good.
Click to expand...

steelb,

Not arguing here, I tend to agree. My question is the cost of being aggressive in the FA market and what the ramifications would be, say chasing an Aso or Bailey? Hoping against Bailey. I think he's too close to the end but you get my point.

Was listining to the commentators on the Jets specifically yesterday commenting on the Jets not being able to retain thier roster next year or the year after (whenever play resumes) because of the cap that will be in place. They mentioned several players but the main ones I recall are Braylon Edwards and Santonio Holmes.

I'm ignorent here as I don't know exactly how the cap works. If a team goes over, do they get fined? Have to restructure contracts (I've heard of that)? What happens?
 
drs23 said:
steelb,

Not arguing here, I tend to agree. My question is the cost of being aggressive in the FA market and what the ramifications would be, say chasing an Aso or Bailey? Hoping against Bailey. I think he's too close to the end but you get my point.

Was listining to the commentators on the Jets specifically yesterday commenting on the Jets not being able to retain thier roster next year or the year after (whenever play resumes) because of the cap that will be in place. They mentioned several players but the main ones I recall are Braylon Edwards and Santonio Holmes.

I'm ignorent here as I don't know exactly how the cap works. If a team goes over, do they get fined? Have to restructure contracts (I've heard of that)? What happens?
Click to expand...

Regardless, the Jets have a coach players want to play for. Even if they can't keep a few of their players, some other FA's will take less money just to play for Rex Ryan and have a strong shot at success.
 
steelbtexan said:
Tell me what wasn't factual about his post. Just because you dont like to read it doesn't make it not true.

& just b/c you eat it up doesn't make it gospel either.

6-10,9-7 and people on this MB being satisfied is what it is.

Nobody's satisfied...

Meanwhile teams that spend the $$$$ are making long runs in the playoffs.

tell that to the redskins & raiders. 2 teams who've poored ridiculous amounts of money into FA only to still suck.

Jets too many FA,trades that cost $$$$ to count,

& yet they were beaten in the playoffs in the exact same spot they were last year without those big name FA you swear were key to their success this year.. LT, JT, Holmes & Cromartie.

Bears sign Peppers and trade for Cutler and can you say NFC championship game.

They got cutler the year before & were garbage..surely you aren't saying that they made it to the NFC championship game stictly b/c of peppers are you?

Packers sign Woodson in FA. Wouldn't he look good in a Txans uni? Made SB.

How many years ago did they sign Woodson again? Better yet, tell me how many of their key contributors were drafted vs. big time FA. & they just made it back to the SB after a drought that lasted a decade..

Steelers are the only team that isn't built this way. But they are agressive in the draft. Traded up to get Polomalu. Signed Farrior in FA. These moves made them a SB participant. But we wont ever confuse BoB/Gary/Rick with Rooney/Colbert/Tomlin.

& the patriots, & the colts...you know the other 2 most winning organizations of the last decade..

Are you Jamey Rootes or BoB McNair? Maybe Smith or Kubiak? That's the only way you can justify this koolaid being so mmm -mmm good.
Click to expand...



As for your last statement....:facepalm:. Obviously, we won't ever confuse you for anyone who knows what the hell they're talking about either.
 
steelbtexan said:
Meanwhile teams that spend the $$$$ are making long runs in the playoffs.
Click to expand...

Yeah and teams that spend the $$$$ are also not in the playoffs - like the Texans who are in the top of the league in spending. Say they don't spend money wisely, fine, but saying they don't spend money is incorrect.

drs23 said:
I'm ignorent here as I don't know exactly how the cap works. If a team goes over, do they get fined? Have to restructure contracts (I've heard of that)? What happens?
Click to expand...

It is a hard cap. There is no mechanism for going over it. If a team won't cut to get under the cap, the NFL will do it for them.

Holmes and Edwards are both free agents this off-season.

houstonspartan said:
Regardless, the Jets have a coach players want to play for. Even if they can't keep a few of their players, some other FA's will take less money just to play for Rex Ryan and have a strong shot at success.
Click to expand...

Got more than one or two examples (where the numbers are actually known) for players taking jobs for less money?
 
Mr teX said:
As for your last statement....:facepalm:. Obviously, we won't ever confuse you for anyone who knows what the hell they're talking about either.
Click to expand...

Facts are facts

Loser mentality

Keep on drinking koolaid

I'm going to have to start drinking shots for the next 2 yrs.
 
Cak

Where have they wasted their $$$$ to have such a overall talent deficient team? What would you have done differently.

I'm not asking this sarcastically either. Seems that they've wasted alot of talent (AJ) and gotten nothing to show for it.

For this reason alone Smith Kubiak and all of the scouts/cap guys should be fired. Not extended
 
steelbtexan said:
Facts are facts

Loser mentality

Keep on drinking koolaid

I'm going to have to start drinking shots for the next 2 yrs.
Click to expand...


Cak & I basically crapped on your whole post with "the" fact that blows up your whole theory & this is what you come back with?


lol, ok "winner"..:rolleyes:...
 
steelbtexan said:
Cak

Where have they wasted their $$$$ to have such a overall talent deficient team? What would you have done differently.
Click to expand...

I addressed a singular assertion - that they don't spend money. They do. Under Capers/Casserly there was tons of wasted money in Walker, Wade, Robaire Smith, DD, HWWNBN, Weaver, Greenwood. Under Kubiak/Smith they have done better in not having huge total loser contracts like those but have spent a bunch on signing folks like Schaub, AJ, DeMeco, Antonio Smith. They didn't get their return out of Andre Davis, Reeves, Orlovsky, Green, etc. Anyway, the particulars aren't that important. The point is the Texans are at the top of the league in spending money. That isn't the problem. Spending wisely is the problem.
 
1. Great job of avoiding the ? Lets see you refute his points and yes I understand SH sometimes goes over the top. I'm looking forward to your reply. (Wont get one that makes sense)

2. You seem satisfied, But if your not then what would you do differently? Because obviously what they've been doing for the last decade hasn't worked. Trends, love to hear your ideas.

3. Using to inept teams to support your argument = weak, while there have been many teams that used the FA market to suplement their talent level and make long playoff runs. See the Saints/Vikings/Jets last yr.

4. I would settle for 2 AFC champ game appearances. You wouldn't? No I guess mediocrity'ville is a nice safe place to be.

5. Yeah they got Cutler last yr and they had a bad yr. Their fans demanded a better product so Peppers was signed. They also signed to vet former HC's to be AC's and it paid off for them. It's called taking a risk. Something that some fans of the Texans dont get. Just as they dont demand a better product be put on the field. (Fans like you)

6. They signed Woodson 3-4 yrs ago on the cheap and re-did his contract. I believe they've made the playoffs 3 out of Woodsons 4 yrs in GB. Taking chances,something the Texans organization would know nothing about. But wont make the playoffs until they learn. Would you settle for making 1 NFC camp game, 1 playoff berth and 1 SB in the 4 yrs since Woodson signed as a FA? We dont have to worry about that with the crap that the Texans call a secondary.

7. Didn't the Pats trade for such players as Welker/Moss/Dillon and sign Harrison/Colvin as a FA during their SB runs? It's called being agressive. Something you know nothing about.

8. As for the last part LOL whatever life is good. Who the he** is we anyway?
 
infantrycak said:
I addressed a singular assertion - that they don't spend money. They do. Under Capers/Casserly there was tons of wasted money in Walker, Wade, Robaire Smith, DD, HWWNBN, Weaver, Greenwood. Under Kubiak/Smith they have done better in not having huge total loser contracts like those but have spent a bunch on signing folks like Schaub, AJ, DeMeco, Antonio Smith. They didn't get their return out of Andre Davis, Reeves, Orlovsky, Green, etc. Anyway, the particulars aren't that important. The point is the Texans are at the top of the league in spending money. That isn't the problem. Spending wisely is the problem.
Click to expand...

Good post, and the bolded part is where my criticism is directed with the Texans.

I have no idea how hard or simple it is to find qualified FO personnel to wisely spend that money. But, I do know how easy it would be to hold them accountable for on-going failure.
 
steelbtexan said:
1. Great job of avoiding the ? Lets see you refute his points and yes I understand SH sometimes goes over the top. I'm looking forward to your reply. (Wont get one that makes sense)

2. You seem satisfied, But if your not then what would you do differently? Because obviously what they've been doing for the last decade hasn't worked. Trends, love to hear your ideas.

3. Using to inept teams to support your argument = weak, while there have been many teams that used the FA market to suplement their talent level and make long playoff runs. See the Saints/Vikings/Jets last yr.

4. I would settle for 2 AFC champ game appearances. You wouldn't? No I guess mediocrity'ville is a nice safe place to be.

5. Yeah they got Cutler last yr and they had a bad yr. Their fans demanded a better product so Peppers was signed. They also signed to vet former HC's to be AC's and it paid off for them. It's called taking a risk. Something that some fans of the Texans dont get. Just as they dont demand a better product be put on the field. (Fans like you)

6. They signed Woodson 3-4 yrs ago on the cheap and re-did his contract. I believe they've made the playoffs 3 out of Woodsons 4 yrs in GB. Taking chances,something the Texans organization would know nothing about. But wont make the playoffs until they learn. Would you settle for making 1 NFC camp game, 1 playoff berth and 1 SB in the 4 yrs since Woodson signed as a FA? We dont have to worry about that with the crap that the Texans call a secondary.

7. Didn't the Pats trade for such players as Welker/Moss/Dillon and sign Harrison/Colvin as a FA during their SB runs? It's called being agressive. Something you know nothing about.

8. As for the last part LOL whatever life is good. Who the he** is we anyway?
Click to expand...

You are a certified ***** & your posts have been full of fail simply b/c you haven't even recognized the thread we're in discussing this matter & my stance on it. That's one thing i certainly would've done differently. 2nd, using 2 bad teams to support my argument is weak? Is it still weak when those 2 teams are at or very much near the top as far as teams who land or trade for "big name" FA's yet have nothing to show for it? naw..i think its just b/c it flies in the face of your silly assertion that FA is the end all be all.

& as far as your other assertion, again, you fail b/c you're simply oversimplifying acting as if the players have no say in any of this. Just throw a bunch of money at them & they'll come...

& taking chances is something the texans don't know about? really? I guess giving up 2 2nd rounders for an unproven back up qb was nothing then. & along with being patently stupid, the release of your vet cbs & going young in your secondary in a playoff or bust year is taking a chance. And now this year, bringing in a former HC as your defensive coordinator while retaining a sub .500 coach.

& as far as the patriots, they were already a sb champion by the time most of those guys came along.

next...
 
infantrycak said:
I addressed a singular assertion - that they don't spend money. They do. Under Capers/Casserly there was tons of wasted money in Walker, Wade, Robaire Smith, DD, HWWNBN, Weaver, Greenwood. Under Kubiak/Smith they have done better in not having huge total loser contracts like those but have spent a bunch on signing folks like Schaub, AJ, DeMeco, Antonio Smith. They didn't get their return out of Andre Davis, Reeves, Orlovsky, Green, etc. Anyway, the particulars aren't that important. The point is the Texans are at the top of the league in spending money. That isn't the problem. Spending wisely is the problem.
Click to expand...

What would you do differently?

There has to be a few things.
 
A new DC and mind set in the lockeroom is what is needed to fix the D and a few more play makers as well.
 
Mr teX said:
You are a certified ***** & your posts have been full of fail simply b/c you haven't even recognized the thread we're in discussing this matter & my stance on it. That's one thing i certainly would've done differently. 2nd, using 2 bad teams to support my argument is weak? Is it still weak when those 2 teams are at or very much near the top as far as teams who land or trade for "big name" FA's yet have nothing to show for it? naw..i think its just b/c it flies in the face of your silly assertion that FA is the end all be all.

& as far as your other assertion, again, you fail b/c you're simply oversimplifying acting as if the players have no say in any of this. Just throw a bunch of money at them & they'll come...

& taking chances is something the texans don't know about? really? I guess giving up 2 2nd rounders for an unproven back up qb was nothing then. & along with being patently stupid, the release of your vet cbs & going young in your secondary in a playoff or bust year is taking a chance. And now this year, bringing in a former HC as your defensive coordinator while retaining a sub .500 coach.

& as far as the patriots, they were already a sb champion by the time most of those guys came along.

next...
Click to expand...

So I'm am A*** and a simpleton. LOL you can do better than that. Many have

If I only had your great wisdom koolaid land would be a wonderfull place to live

FA isn't a be all end all. But teams that use it to suplement the their existing team. See my above post about playoff teams the last 2 yrs. (Something the Texans no nothing about.)

Taking chances, After the HWNSNBM experience failed the Texans were forced to make a change at QB. Gary targeted Schaub and paid the price to get his man. I agreed with his choice BTW.

Taking chances on CB's LOL, Bob didn't want to pay for Dunta and Reeves couldn't play anymore. So it really wasn't taking a chance. It was saving $$$$.

As far as not knowing anything, that's YO. But after a decade of watching terrible football you would think you would have caught on to BoB's game by now. When do you think the Texans 1st AFC championship game will be after watching the teams in the playoffs? You may not be able to admit it but the Texans are along way away and need to change the way they do business. If they want to put a product their fans deserve on the field.

Look, I'm not going to call you names and I'm not going to change your mind. But I've got a decade of proof that says the Texans dont know what their doing and they're not willing to do it the way I would like. So you're right and I'm wrong.

The playoffs meanwhile are just a fantasy for the GREAT FANS of the HOUSTON TEXANS and they deserve a whole lot more than they've received so far in Texans history.

I'm patiently waiting on a playoff berth LOL and either you are BoB or you treat his $$$$ like it's yours. Good luck with that.
 
Brent Grimes just named to the Pro-Bowl. Dunta is not the best CB on his team I guess, though he is the highest paid.
 
JB said:
Brent Grimes just named to the Pro-Bowl. Dunta is not the best CB on his team I guess, though he is the highest paid.
Click to expand...
What's your point? I don't think anybody ever claimed that Dunta was the best CB on that team.
 
NitroHonda said:
What's your point? I don't think anybody ever claimed that Dunta was the best CB on that team.
Click to expand...

Really? I thought that some had stipulated that he was the difference maker for them. If not, sorry. I just wanted to post it somewhere, and get a dig in while I did. I know you like Dunta, and I do too... as a person. I would have loved for him to stay here under a reasonable contract.
 
JB said:
Brent Grimes just named to the Pro-Bowl. Dunta is not the best CB on his team I guess, though he is the highest paid.
Click to expand...

Good for Grimes.

He's the Falcons Tramon Williams.

Love to see the underdog do well.
 
Super Mario said:
Hey guys, bottom line is that our secondary was understaffed in the veteran and leadership department leading to our 6-10 year.
Click to expand...

Where was the Patriots veteran leadership in the secondary? How 'bout the Ravens? How 'bout the Colts for the last two years.

You're smarter than that Super Mario, many other teams can take two rookie CBs to 9, 10, 11+ wins.

The Denver game was in our hands. The Jets game was ours. San Diego should have been a win... Jacksonville??? And in your mind another veteran leader (somehow-or-another we started calling Jacques Reeves a veteran leader) would have won those games? Wilson won a Super Bowl (a couple I think), Pollard has been in the league as long as Mario & Demeco. Quin was playing his second season.

Don't follow the sheep SuperMario.... don't follow the sheep.
 
He's not even the best nickel on the Falcons (while being paid like one of the top 5 corners in the league). I'm glad being waaaaaaay overpaid by someone else other than the Texans. Good-bye, and good riddance.
 
Texan_Bill said:
He's not even the best nickel on the Falcons (while being paid like one of the top 5 corners in the league). I'm glad being waaaaaaay overpaid by someone else other than the Texans. Good-bye, and good riddance.
Click to expand...

Agreed

If BoB will spend the $$$$ he saved on not resigning Dunta and reinvesting it to bring in some guys to help fix the defense.
 
JB said:
Really? I thought that some had stipulated that he was the difference maker for them. If not, sorry. I just wanted to post it somewhere, and get a dig in while I did. I know you like Dunta, and I do too... as a person. I would have loved for him to stay here under a reasonable contract.
Click to expand...
And franchising him for one more year is reasonable enough for me. Especially considering how thin the FA market was. Just another piss poor move by Smith.
 
NitroHonda said:
And franchising him for one more year is reasonable enough for me. Especially considering how thin the FA market was. Just another piss poor move by Smith.
Click to expand...

We will just have to agree to disagree on this one Nitro. I don't think he was worth 12 Million + for one year.
 
NitroHonda said:
And franchising him for one more year is reasonable enough for me. Especially considering how thin the FA market was. Just another piss poor move by Smith.
Click to expand...

While franchising DR seems like a good move on paper, I really think that Dunta would have thrown a tantrum like an 8 year old not getting his way. He was already pissed that he had been franchised once (wahh, I'm being paid as a top 10 CB). I feel like even though with his talent, he would have made our defense better on paper, his displeasure with his contract and his penchant for mouthing off to the press would have a) affect his play since he would be unhappy with being franchised yet again, and b) distracted the other players on the team. Plus, with all that's being said about veteran leadership, is DRob really the guy you want the kiddie corners learning from? Teaching them how to make childish passive aggressive attacks and throwing teammates under the bus even though your play has regressed every year you've been in the league?
 
buddyboy said:
While franchising DR seems like a good move on paper, I really think that Dunta would have thrown a tantrum like an 8 year old not getting his way. He was already pissed that he had been franchised once (wahh, I'm being paid as a top 10 CB).
Click to expand...

Guaranteed money & a long term deal. That's what FA want. Behind those, is a chance to win a championship. Regardless what they say, that's the order of importance. You may have a guy who knows he'll get that money from anyone, so he says it's about a championship, but it's about the money first.

We (reportedly) offered Duta $24 mil guaranteed. Very generous in my mind, but Dunta turned it down. We franchised him for almost $10 mil. Had we franchised him again, Dunta would have got another $12 mil. He wouldn't have been disgruntled. He'd know that all he had to do, was get through the year healthy & we couldn't stop him from being a FA. If he thought he was worth $30 mil (like Nmandi) that would be $50 mil he'd have in the bank after just 3 years.

Problem though, is he'd have played as soft as he did for us in 2009. That hit he put on Desuan never would have happened had we franchised him, because he wouldn't risk getting hurt, like he didn't in 2009.

To me, what made Dunta valuable, was that he was a sure tackler & he was a punisher. Since his injury... not so much. So we franchised him, paid him $10 mil in 2009 to be a cover corner. A skill he never showed to be above average (IMO of course).

It was time to let him go. It was time to move on.

Oh yeah... if the report is true, that we offered Dunta $24 million before the 2009 season, I don't believe there is any reason the Texans wouldn't have made that same offer in 2010. I don't know that they did, but why wouldn't they?

He went to ATlanta for $22.5 million guaranteed. 6 years. That's less than what we offered him. (reportedly). He didn't want to be here.

If you consider the $10 million we gave him in 2009, the $22 million he got in 2010, that's $32 million over a 2 year period. He's been paid more than Nmandi over the same time period.

Think about it.
Nmandi actually covers receivers.


I understand the "popular" opinion is that Dunta would easily be the best corner on our team, had he been here. People want to think of him like he's Champ, or Aso..... I've never been a fan of his cover skills, but I still admit he was a better cover corner... much better cover corner than I thought he could be in 2009.

But he still wasn't the kind of player you sign regardless of the cost.

I've been ridiculed & lambasted as a fan who blindly dances to McNair's tune. That I accept mediocrity & do not demand more from this team. Yet I'm not the one saying we should sign this pathetically average player as much as the best young corner in the league today.
 
thunderkyss said:
We (reportedly) offered Duta $24 mil guaranteed.

Oh yeah... if the report is true, that we offered Dunta $24 million before the 2009 season, I don't believe there is any reason the Texans wouldn't have made that same offer in 2010. I don't know that they did, but why wouldn't they?

He went to ATlanta for $22.5 million guaranteed. 6 years. That's less than what we offered him. (reportedly). He didn't want to be here.
Click to expand...
You have no idea what was actually offered to Robinson. Robinson's contract is $57 million over 6 seasons. Only $22.5 million guaranteed, but he will see that in much less than 6 years. And you are not including the nearly $10 million in salary he received in 2009. Had the Texans franchised Robinson in 2010, he was due a 20% increase in salary (nearly $12 million). That would have been nearly $22 million guaranteed over two seasons.
 
HOU-TEX said:
I thought this too....after the first 2 years.
Click to expand...

Been on this board since the beginning and I am sorry if the truth hurts but I have called it like I have seen it since the beginning too. And been pretty accurate with my takes it just takes longer for some people to realize the ugly reality.
 
Lucky said:
thunderkyss said:
We (reportedly) offered Duta $24 mil guaranteed. Very generous in my mind, but Dunta turned it down. We franchised him for almost $10 mil. Had we franchised him again, Dunta would have got another $12 mil. He wouldn't have been disgruntled. He'd know that all he had to do, was get through the year healthy & we couldn't stop him from being a FA. If he thought he was worth $30 mil (like Nmandi) that would be $50 mil he'd have in the bank after just 3 years.
Click to expand...

You have no idea what was actually offered to Robinson. Robinson's contract is $57 million over 6 seasons. Only $22.5 million guaranteed, but he will see that in much less than 6 years. And you are not including the nearly $10 million in salary he received in 2009. Had the Texans franchised Robinson in 2010, he was due a 20% increase in salary (nearly $12 million). That would have been nearly $22 million guaranteed over two seasons.
Click to expand...

I haven't said anything differently. "(reportedly)" means "I don't know, but according to what was reported..."

My point, I believe is the same as yours. Dunta wouldn't have been "upset" or "disgruntled" had we franchised him a second time.
 
thunderkyss said:
Guaranteed money & a long term deal. That's what FA want. Behind those, is a chance to win a championship. Regardless what they say, that's the order of importance. You may have a guy who knows he'll get that money from anyone, so he says it's about a championship, but it's about the money first.

We (reportedly) offered Duta $24 mil guaranteed. Very generous in my mind, but Dunta turned it down. We franchised him for almost $10 mil. Had we franchised him again, Dunta would have got another $12 mil. He wouldn't have been disgruntled. He'd know that all he had to do, was get through the year healthy & we couldn't stop him from being a FA. If he thought he was worth $30 mil (like Nmandi) that would be $50 mil he'd have in the bank after just 3 years.

Problem though, is he'd have played as soft as he did for us in 2009. That hit he put on Desuan never would have happened had we franchised him, because he wouldn't risk getting hurt, like he didn't in 2009.

To me, what made Dunta valuable, was that he was a sure tackler & he was a punisher. Since his injury... not so much. So we franchised him, paid him $10 mil in 2009 to be a cover corner. A skill he never showed to be above average (IMO of course).

It was time to let him go. It was time to move on.

Oh yeah... if the report is true, that we offered Dunta $24 million before the 2009 season, I don't believe there is any reason the Texans wouldn't have made that same offer in 2010. I don't know that they did, but why wouldn't they?

He went to ATlanta for $22.5 million guaranteed. 6 years. That's less than what we offered him. (reportedly). He didn't want to be here.

If you consider the $10 million we gave him in 2009, the $22 million he got in 2010, that's $32 million over a 2 year period. He's been paid more than Nmandi over the same time period.

Think about it.
Nmandi actually covers receivers.


I understand the "popular" opinion is that Dunta would easily be the best corner on our team, had he been here. People want to think of him like he's Champ, or Aso..... I've never been a fan of his cover skills, but I still admit he was a better cover corner... much better cover corner than I thought he could be in 2009.

But he still wasn't the kind of player you sign regardless of the cost.

I've been ridiculed & lambasted as a fan who blindly dances to McNair's tune. That I accept mediocrity & do not demand more from this team. Yet I'm not the one saying we should sign this pathetically average player as much as the best young corner in the league today.
Click to expand...


key phrase there...
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Been on this board since the beginning and I am sorry if the truth hurts but I have called it like I have seen it since the beginning too. And been pretty accurate with my takes it just takes longer for some people to realize the ugly reality.
Click to expand...

Maybe there are some of us that agree with a lot you've said, but refuse to constantly beat a dead horse year after year?

I agree Kubiak should've been whacked.

I agree Smith should've been whacked.

I was not one of the HWWNBN bandwagoners

However, I don't think McNair's cheap. He was a newbie when he opened shop and I think he's been misled by his employees since. He spends the money. He just doesn't seem to spend it wisely.

I let my feelings be known after each season, but unlike you and a few others, I choose to move on. It's what we, as fans, need to do in order to stay sane. There's nothing we can do or say. We either move on with the team, or bail. No sense in repeating our disappointments over and over again.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top