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Justice is stiring the pot again

gary said:
Thanks, I really felt bad wether you all think so or not I know I am sorry and that is all that counts.
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I can only speak for myself Gary but you're one of my board favorites!

Always enjoy reading your opinion and take on threads you post on.
 
GuerillaBlack said:
Well, whenever that happens...

I know Jerry, Kraft, etc., would have cut Kris Brown after the MNF game and had a new kicker in here (for all the other missed FGs Kris Brown had after that game). We've only seen progress this year, as far as record goes, and still no playoffs. Kubiak would have been fired if he had been under Jones or Kraft. But, we're the boy scout, good boy team, so none of that will ever happen.
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Kraft is a prety good owner, Jones is in a league of his own. I wish we could have Parcells build us a team, truth be told, cause he has a scary ye for talent.
 
gary said:
Thanks very much my TT friends are the best.
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I didn't give any thought to your comment about JJ or the comparison. There is simply too much value that you add to this board to give a second thought to a comment that I could disagree.

Personally, I lilke Jerry Jones. I don't think he's perfect, thank goodness, and he has made some decisions that angered me, and to a lesser extent, I disagreed. However, I do feel that Jerry is probably more a fan of the Dallas Cowboys than anyone, and wants above all the bottom line profits, a very successful francise as a winner. With that in mind, I can overlook what appears to be meddling and see it as a sincere and passionate desire for the team to be among if not the best in the league. IMO, Jerry sees this organization as more than a profitable investment.
 
StarStruck said:
I didn't give any thought to your comment about JJ or the comparison. There is simply too much value that you add to this board to give a second thought to a comment that I could disagree.

Personally, I lilke Jerry Jones. I don't think he's perfect, thank goodness, and he has made some decisions that angered me, and to a lesser extent, I disagreed. However, I do feel that Jerry is probably more a fan of the Dallas Cowboys than anyone, and wants above all the bottom line profits, a very successful francise as a winner. With that in mind, I can overlook what appears to be meddling and see it as a sincere and passionate desire for the team to be among if not the best in the league. IMO, Jerry sees this organization as more than a profitable investment.
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Very well said:clap:
 
StarStruck said:
I didn't give any thought to your comment about JJ or the comparison. There is simply too much value that you add to this board to give a second thought to a comment that I could disagree.

Personally, I lilke Jerry Jones. I don't think he's perfect, thank goodness, and he has made some decisions that angered me, and to a lesser extent, I disagreed. However, I do feel that Jerry is probably more a fan of the Dallas Cowboys than anyone, and wants above all the bottom line profits, a very successful francise as a winner. With that in mind, I can overlook what appears to be meddling and see it as a sincere and passionate desire for the team to be among if not the best in the league. IMO, Jerry sees this organization as more than a profitable investment.
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Well, sure. It's the point I made several pages ago. As much as Jerry Jones is the biggest buffon in the NFL, I respect him because he really, really loves his team and his city and wants them to win. Unfortunately he usually makes the wrong decisions, but, at the end of the day, I think his heart is in the right place. I respect that.

Bob McNair loves the Texans as well, and he also loves Houston, but, Bob doesn't have that killer attitude that Jerry Jones has.

At least not yet.
 
Dick looking for VY?

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dalemurphy said:
Celebrating the Deion signing is the perfect example of why you're a Cowboy fan and I'm not, anymore. As is typical with Cowboy fans, you don't take rejection well. Regarding your point about supporting the players: what players are contributing to the team that were their before Jerry Jones was? none! The only constant is the owner! Heck, even the city has changed. You used to play in that dump in Irving. Now, you play in Arlington. If you are like most Cowboy fans, you loved Terrell Owens and defended is honor for 3 years. As a 49er and an Eagle, you hated the man and thought him a despicable human being. I can't justify that kind of leap. And, to be a Cowboy fan, you spend most of your life having to justify all kinds of crap like that.
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you are criticizing the Deion signing by Jones? omfg, that was a great move and was extremely critical to Jones getting his 3rd trophy. Deion is one of, if not the best, cover corner in the history of the NFL. Add in his special teams ability and any owner who can sign him is good in my book.

is it because Deion is too black for you? is it because Deion is too good of a player or too confident? Deion is a helluva football player and has never gotten in trouble with the law or been a bad teammate.

I only wish our owner, McNair, could sign and lure a player of the caliber of Deion to come to our team. To act like you hate Jones because he would bring in a player like Deion is just crazy.
 
houstonspartan said:
Well, sure. It's the point I made several pages ago. As much as Jerry Jones is the biggest buffon in the NFL, I respect him because he really, really loves his team and his city and wants them to win. Unfortunately he usually makes the wrong decisions, but, at the end of the day, I think his heart is in the right place. I respect that.

Bob McNair loves the Texans as well, and he also loves Houston, but, Bob doesn't have that killer attitude that Jerry Jones has.

At least not yet.
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Exactly.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
you are criticizing the Deion signing by Jones? omfg, that was a great move and was extremely critical to Jones getting his 3rd trophy. Deion is one of, if not the best, cover corner in the history of the NFL. Add in his special teams ability and any owner who can sign him is good in my book.

is it because Deion is too black for you? is it because Deion is too good of a player or too confident? Deion is a helluva football player and has never gotten in trouble with the law or been a bad teammate.

I only wish our owner, McNair, could sign and lure a player of the caliber of Deion to come to our team. To act like you hate Jones because he would bring in a player like Deion is just crazy.
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yeah, that's it exactly. I like my CBs to be white! It couldn't be that I loath the attitude of the signing- that one player will make them a champion again, watching Jerry and Barry jump around a laugh like hyenas in the press conference. It couldn't have anything to do with the me-first attitude and his lust for attention. Nor could it be the incestual nature of these signings- one year the entire fanbase hates him as a 49er, then they all love him... Then, he becomes a Redskin and they all hate him again.
 
LOL....I wonder if Richie laughs his arse off at all of this like I do. Okay...he prolly doesn't read it. It would be like a 3rd grade teacher stressing over what a kid wrote on RateMyProfessor.com

He just sucks y'all in and you all line up and make your way to your spot in the back of the cattle car.

And the bloggers on Chron.com are the better sportswriters...that is great!

This thread reeks of stale bong water.
 
good thing Jerry Jones tinkered with that kicking game...

those hands on owners are soooooo good!


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After reading some of the comments...I think some folks are only Texans season ticket holders because:

A- They live in Houston and don't want to move to the same city as their fav team
B- They can't think of anything else to do with their money
C- Don't want to spend the money to become season ticket holders and travel to their real fav team

It is just very interesting to me.....off to work on my pfufa application.
 
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Silver Oak said:
good thing Jerry Jones tinkered with that kicking game...

those hands on owners are soooooo good!


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Extremely weak.

Dr2bKay said:
After reading some of the comments...I think some folks are only Texans season ticket holders because:

A- They live in Houston and don't want to move to the same city as their fav team
B- They can't think of anything else to do with their money
C- Don't want to spend the money to become season ticket holders and travel to their real fav team

It is just very interesting to me.....off to work on my pfufa application.
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D - Care about their team and are allowed to critic the Texans.

People are really sensitive.
 
Silver Oak said:
good thing Jerry Jones tinkered with that kicking game...

those hands on owners are soooooo good!


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They settled for Suisham and only then because he was the best of the worse. And he'd been there before.

Folk couldn't kick 20 yard FG's anymore. They had NO choice.
 
GuerillaBlack said:
Extremely weak.



People are really sensitive.
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instead of attacking me, try to debate my post. they have indeed rattled Romo, and it was indeed a good plan.

your turn.

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Silver Oak said:
instead of attacking me, try to debate my post. they have indeed rattled Romo, and it was indeed a good plan.

your turn.

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How did I attack you? And what is there to debate from your post? It was weak smack at the posters who gave Jerry props for getting rid of his kicker...who had missed 10 FGs this season. We kept Brown and know where that got us. And, didn't Brown miss a 30-something yarder in the game against New England?
 
Dr2bKay said:
After reading some of the comments...I think some folks are only Texans season ticket holders because:

A- They live in Houston and don't want to move to the same city as their fav team
B- They can't think of anything else to do with their money
C- Don't want to spend the money to become season ticket holders and travel to their real fav team

It is just very interesting to me.....off to work on my pfufa application.
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I'm not sure what your point was here, and i can't figure out the tone, but,those of us who are ticket holders are ticket holders because we like the team. It's that simple.

If I'm not mistaken, weren't you asking an another forum about playoff tickets back when we were still in the running? I believe you said that if the Texans made the playoffs, you would forgo a trip to the Galleria and buy playoff tickets.

You spend your money your way, I'll spend mine my way.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Jerry Jones has proven to be a better owner than McNair. How can anyone argue that? It took him a while to find a QB (and some would say he is still looking for one) but the guy has presided over 3 championships and has done everything to help his team win.

His worst move was trading for Galloway. That was a horrible move, and no one should let him off the hook for that, but what else has he done that has been so bad. You could argue that he ran Jimmy Johnson out of town, but I think Jimmy was done anyway as Cowboys head coach. He wanted a new challenge with more power. He got that wish and failed at Miami.

McNair has given Carr maximum extension and wanted to draft a QB to begin with. Horrible move to go with a rookie QB #1 overall in your first draft. Just ignorant. Hired Casserley to run his football operations. He has also made little to no extra effort to improve his team to be championship caliber. Signing Antonio Smith, Weaver, and Greenwood aren't championship moves.

and for all the haters on Jerry, guess where most of his players came from? Yup, the draft. And guess who is in charge of the draft in Big D? Jerry is. So maybe he aint so bad after all. Some of you act like you know more than Jerry does about football...that is laughable. Jerry is actually one of the longest tenured GMs in all football if not the longest tenured.

I Am not saying McNair sucks, but Justice is just calling a spade a spade. McNair has had opportunities to greatly improve the team, and he has not done it. Haynesworth, Michael Turner, and Kris Jenkins have all been available at positions of need and we dont even make a run at them. We decide to roll with what we got. That sure has worked out well for us, huh?

at the end of the day, Jerry has 3 trophies, runs the most valuable sports franchise in America, and we are a losing football franchise who have some fans that act like 9-7 is some validation of McNair's plan while in the same breath criticize the Cowboys for not winning playoff games. Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. expansion team or not, there is no argument that McNair is a better owner. it just doesn't hold water.

I love my Texans but the Texans aren't in the same class as the Cowboys...yet. Maybe we should focus more on our real rivals, Justice. Like the Titans. ThIs make believe fairy tale Texans-Cowboys rivalry is a total joke...its not a rivalry. It's an inferiority complex by many of the Texans fans..not a rivalry.
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Agreed. I thought Justice was pretty spot on. I've always hated the Cowboys and always will, but Jerry has a much stronger passion for winning than Mcnair does. The Cowboys have been much more successful the last 5 years than the Texans have been as well and I won't even count the first few years of expansion. Most of our fans are stoked to be 9-7 even though is was a very disappointing season where we should have been in the playoffs. Until the majority of Texans fans demand more from our team and the team's management or the HC staff and team delivers and over achieves instead of under achieves, the Cowboys will be the bigger hit in Texas. As of right now they are. Hopefully that changes starting next season.
 
How come is this guy being able to write something like this in the houston paper? This is not right! This guys should of been fired a long time ago. McNair is a better owner than Jones. McNair doesn't hire players with big egos that destroys the team. Kub's is a good coach and the Texans are improving each and every year. The teams did not want to play the texans in the playoffs this year. thats saying something. We are a good team and I think if the cowboys played us this year we would win that game. Jones is a horrible owner. Everyone thinks the cowboys are a good team. If they were a good team then why did they lose to the vikings and a 40 year old QB? All I can say is way to go Favre!!!
 
Texecutioner said:
Agreed. I thought Justice was pretty spot on. I've always hated the Cowboys and always will, but Jerry has a much stronger passion for winning than Mcnair does. The Cowboys have been much more successful the last 5 years than the Texans have been as well and I won't even count the first few years of expansion. Most of our fans are stoked to be 9-7 even though is was a very disappointing season where we should have been in the playoffs. Until the majority of Texans fans demand more from our team and the team's management or the HC staff and team delivers and over achieves instead of under achieves, the Cowboys will be the bigger hit in Texas. As of right now they are. Hopefully that changes starting next season.
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Yep. McNair needs a little bit of Jerry Jones in him, and Kubiak needs a little bit of Bill Bellecheck.
 
Texecutioner said:
Agreed. I thought Justice was pretty spot on. I've always hated the Cowboys and always will, but Jerry has a much stronger passion for winning than Mcnair does. The Cowboys have been much more successful the last 5 years than the Texans have been as well and I won't even count the first few years of expansion. Most of our fans are stoked to be 9-7 even though is was a very disappointing season where we should have been in the playoffs. Until the majority of Texans fans demand more from our team and the team's management or the HC staff and team delivers and over achieves instead of under achieves, the Cowboys will be the bigger hit in Texas. As of right now they are. Hopefully that changes starting next season.
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I don't think most fans are "stoked" to be 9-7. Sure it was a nice feeling after the Pats game. It is what it is in the SHORT history of our Houston Texans, a franchise not even a decade old but moving in the right direction.

It's disappointing they didn't get in the playoffs nonetheless they accomplished things this year that they never did before: a QB tops in passing yards, WR tops in receiving yards, a TE who was tops in receiving before a season-ender, a Defensive ROY, a defense that shot up to about 13 in rank, least dropped passes in the NFL...and first winning season ever.

It points well to the future. These Texans may have dropped or missed some balls this year...but no one can deny they they still worked hard all year except the Jets game.

And the Cowboys...eh, they're simply an opponent on the Texans schedule next season.

The Dallas Cowboys of now are rooted to what Bill Parcells' administration started in 2003. They've been a steady enough ship since late 2006. And that's the year that Gary Kubiak took over an absolute train wreck, and in his 4th season, finally accomplished a winning season...with loads of hope for the near future.

There's no reason to throw our improving Texans under the bus on account of some glamor franchise that's been around for a half century.
 
worldlyman said:
I don't think most fans are "stoked" to be 9-7. Sure it was a nice feeling after the Pats game. It is what it is in the SHORT history of our Houston Texans, a franchise not even a decade old but moving in the right direction.

It's disappointing they didn't get in the playoffs nonetheless they accomplished things this year that they never did before: a QB tops in passing yards, WR tops in receiving yards, a TE who was tops in receiving before a season-ender, a Defensive ROY, a defense that shot up to about 13 in rank, least dropped passes in the NFL...and first winning season ever.

It points well to the future. These Texans may have dropped or missed some balls this year...but no one can deny they they still worked hard all year except the Jets game.

And the Cowboys...eh, they're simply an opponent on the Texans schedule next season.

The Dallas Cowboys of now are rooted to what Bill Parcells' administration started in 2003. They've been a steady enough ship since late 2006. And that's the year that Gary Kubiak took over an absolute train wreck, and in his 4th season, finally accomplished a winning season...with loads of hope for the near future.

There's no reason to throw our improving Texans under the bus on account of some glamor franchise that's been around for a half century.
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You are massively understating what occurred this season. This team waaaaay underachieved.

I agree with you that, of course, the team is headed in the right direction, and that we have made baby steps every year. But at some point, the training wheels have to come off and the kid has to ride the bike by himself. When are we going to stop accepting this middle-of-the-road performance and start demanding excellence?

For some strange reason, a lot of fans think it's ok that it's taking Gary four or five years to do what it takes a lot of coaches three or four years to do (or, in the case of Rex Ryan, about nine monts).

Kubiak BARELY deserves a fifth year, and people are clamouring for him to get an extension, even though he has not earned it. We were talking about the Dallas Cowboys. Guess what? Wade Phillips took his team into the second round of the playoffs, and Jerry Jones STILL HAS NOT AGREED TO EXTEND HIM. (At least not tonight. He may tomorrow).

Everyone is saying, "Gary needs an extension because it'll be a distraction for the players next year if he doesn't get one."

So? Make him, and the players, sweat it out next year. Somehow, the Cowboys were able to eek out enough energy to get to playoffs while their coach was hanging in the wind. If the Texans players love him SO much, they will play for him and get him that extension.

I agree with what Tex and a few others have said: Throwing a parade for a 9-7 record is kind of weak.

I'm tired of the "Gary is a nice guy" bullshit. Yes, he is. But it's time for him to stop being coddled and time for some accountablity.
 
houstonspartan said:
Throwing a parade for a 9-7 record is kind of weak.

I'm tired of the "Gary is a nice guy" bullshit. Yes, he is. But it's time for him to stop being coddled and time for some accountablity.
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where was this parade you speak of?


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GuerillaBlack said:
Doesn't make sense.
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he is either A. trying to show that he is cool cause he has an Iphone.

or B. too much of a n00b to know how to disable the auto-signature on his app. :)

but i don't want to hate on him too bad because i am a proud iphone user too. i just don't post on TT with it or have it in my signature that I am posting from an iphone.
 
SheTexan said:
Geeeezzzz! Can't all our closet Cowboy fans go away for just ONE day?? Let us diehard Texans revel in their loss!! It's OUR RIGHT ya know. This is a TEXAN MESSAGE BOARD!!!:zipit:
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you are better than that SheTexan. to revel in another team's demise when your own team is irrelevant and wasn't in the picture to begin with is kinda wack. to each his own but I was pulling for the Pokes, its a Texas thing with me though. I root for all things Texan except maybe the Spurs but I am not going to revel in their defeat.
 
Sorry, but as a Texan fan who is surrounded by fans of that team in Arlington, I can attest to their ability to reach new heights in asshatness. Anytime I can pull against them and rub it in the faces of those atrocious fans, I will take it. Irregardless of how insignificant some might believe my team to be... F the boyz and their fans :)
 
Second Honeymoon said:
you are better than that SheTexan. to revel in another team's demise when your own team is irrelevant and wasn't in the picture to begin with is kinda wack. to each his own but I was pulling for the Pokes, its a Texas thing with me though. I root for all things Texan except maybe the Spurs but I am not going to revel in their defeat.
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This
 
Second Honeymoon said:
he is either A. trying to show that he is cool cause he has an Iphone.

or B. too much of a n00b to know how to disable the auto-signature on his app. :)

but i don't want to hate on him too bad because i am a proud iphone user too. i just don't post on TT with it or have it in my signature that I am posting from an iphone.
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most people I know use a smart phone sig to let people know they are:

a) not in the office and are mobile
b) forgive for brevity and possible typos

please...carry on with your form of ignorance.
 
Should the tittle of the thread be changed to SH and Sliver Oak stiring the pot now? LOL, J/K.
 
houstonspartan said:
You are massively understating what occurred this season. This team waaaaay underachieved.

I agree with you that, of course, the team is headed in the right direction, and that we have made baby steps every year. But at some point, the training wheels have to come off and the kid has to ride the bike by himself. When are we going to stop accepting this middle-of-the-road performance and start demanding excellence?

For some strange reason, a lot of fans think it's ok that it's taking Gary four or five years to do what it takes a lot of coaches three or four years to do (or, in the case of Rex Ryan, about nine monts).

Kubiak BARELY deserves a fifth year, and people are clamouring for him to get an extension, even though he has not earned it. We were talking about the Dallas Cowboys. Guess what? Wade Phillips took his team into the second round of the playoffs, and Jerry Jones STILL HAS NOT AGREED TO EXTEND HIM. (At least not tonight. He may tomorrow).

Everyone is saying, "Gary needs an extension because it'll be a distraction for the players next year if he doesn't get one."

So? Make him, and the players, sweat it out next year. Somehow, the Cowboys were able to eek out enough energy to get to playoffs while their coach was hanging in the wind. If the Texans players love him SO much, they will play for him and get him that extension.

I agree with what Tex and a few others have said: Throwing a parade for a 9-7 record is kind of weak.

I'm tired of the "Gary is a nice guy" bullshit. Yes, he is. But it's time for him to stop being coddled and time for some accountablity.
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To be honest, the Texans, did underachieve, if looked at one way. But not so much "waaaaay." What's the understatement? (And we might wonder how much the Colts and Cowboys would have well-achieved if Dallas Clark and Jason Witten went down for the year in mid-season. I still marvel how the Texans offense still scrapped as well as they could without a crucial offensive piece like Owen Daniels; never underestimate the TE importance when the running game is suffering.)

The negative side of the overall performances by the 2009-2010 Houston Texans, if we can beat this like a dead horse, came down to last second missed field goals, a last second dropped goal line fumble and last second inability to punch it in at the goal line. I venture to guess, that if the Texans made these fine hair plays and gone into 4 overtime games, I figure they would have won ONE of those games at least and would have been in the playoffs. And the naysayer negative nellies would still, ah, who knows.

Again, under Gary Kubiak, the Texans put SUPREME EFFORT this year, even with some bonehead plays and miscues.

What did coaching have to do with those gaffs by the players? Owner McNair is right. In those circumstances, the players HAVE TO make plays.

We should not give a rat's behind what Wade Phillips or Rex Ryan did. They could very well hit bottom next year.

Exhibit A: Atlanta Falcons coach Mike Smith. 11-5 last year, playoffs his first year. This year, nada.

And as noted, Wade Phillips INHERITED a team essentially built by Bill Parcells. Gary Kubiak had to RE-BUILD from the BOTTOM. I wonder why this is so hard to grasp.

So I look at the big picture. Gary has this team built for the long haul. His defense may not be as solidly tooled as the Jets...but hey, from 32 to 13 in rank...I don't believe Gary Kubiak his 1st choice DC, Frank Bush, are a problem at this point. Kubiak should get an extension.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
you are better than that SheTexan. to revel in another team's demise when your own team is irrelevant and wasn't in the picture to begin with is kinda wack. to each his own but I was pulling for the Pokes, its a Texas thing with me though. I root for all things Texan except maybe the Spurs but I am not going to revel in their defeat.
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That's OK...several of us are doing enough reveling to more than cover for you. :)
 
Dr2bKay said:
After reading some of the comments...I think some folks are only Texans season ticket holders because:

A- They live in Houston and don't want to move to the same city as their fav team
B- They can't think of anything else to do with their money
C- Don't want to spend the money to become season ticket holders and travel to their real fav team

It is just very interesting to me.....off to work on my pfufa application.
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A. I live in Houston, and have no plans to relocate. Since I am a Cowboys fan #1, and an avid football fan #2, I thought it would be great to go to games in the city that I live. I was a fan of the Oilers as well and was quite disappointed when they moved to another city. When we had an opportunity to vote on getting a new stadium, I thought it was awesome and was quite disappointed in the number of Houstonians who were against it. To follow that, when it was announced that we would have a team in Houston I made a commitment to be a part of the reality by purchasing a PSL.
B. Not really. I like the Rockets, but not as much as I do football.
C. I am a season ticket holder of my real fav team. I do travel, but since I'm still employed, Sunday and Monday night games pose a challenge.

I don't read many sports columns in the Chronicle and was not that familiar with Richard Justice's column. I do read DMN and some of their columns have been quite critical of the Cowboys. I tend to read both, but I'm somewhat wired for a good challenge especially if they know what they are talking about and if they don't great comic relief.
 
worldlyman said:
I don't think most fans are "stoked" to be 9-7. Sure it was a nice feeling after the Pats game. It is what it is in the SHORT history of our Houston Texans, a franchise not even a decade old but moving in the right direction.

It's disappointing they didn't get in the playoffs nonetheless they accomplished things this year that they never did before: a QB tops in passing yards, WR tops in receiving yards, a TE who was tops in receiving before a season-ender, a Defensive ROY, a defense that shot up to about 13 in rank, least dropped passes in the NFL...and first winning season ever.

It points well to the future. These Texans may have dropped or missed some balls this year...but no one can deny they they still worked hard all year except the Jets game.

And the Cowboys...eh, they're simply an opponent on the Texans schedule next season.

The Dallas Cowboys of now are rooted to what Bill Parcells' administration started in 2003. They've been a steady enough ship since late 2006. And that's the year that Gary Kubiak took over an absolute train wreck, and in his 4th season, finally accomplished a winning season...with loads of hope for the near future.

There's no reason to throw our improving Texans under the bus on account of some glamor franchise that's been around for a half century.
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I did not throw the Texans under the bus at all. I simply spoke the truth about what Justice's article was about and what happened this season if you compare both teams. It's not hard math here either. The Cowboys have been to the post season the last 3 out of 4 seasons while the Texans just barely got their first winning season this year. The Cowboys had the best record in the NFC two years ago as well while we had our first 8-8 season and we're still right there at 8-8 while they're back in the playoffs. I mean, there is no way to argue who the bigger "hit" is as a franchise regardless of who you're a fan of. Fans across the United States don't even hardly think about the Texans, because we've yet to do anything relevant at this point and we under achieved this season a lot and I hear other team's fans tell me that all the time and I agree with them. Hopefully all of that changes starting next season. I'll be rooting for that, but I won't hide from the truth or be in denial just because of a team I root for and support. It is what it is.
 
Dr2bKay said:
It is just very interesting to me.....off to work on my pfufa application.
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Don't forget this part in the app.

The Rules said:
Also, it is not necessary for possible draftees to dress up in costumes or outfits. Instead, we are looking for fans who passionately represent their team, BUT who will also respect another fan that passionately roots for another team.
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