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Justice is stiring the pot again

HoustonFrog said:
They're Jones guys in that he hired Parcells. As I've told people, you can't take Jerry in a vacuum and act like his ownership doesn't include Jimmy Johnson and Parcells. They were his two smartest hires. Yes, he isn't a great GM and he meddles. But he stepped back and let those guys do their job when they were hired. He gets credit for that in my book because they were his 2 best football moves. So I don't like splitting guys up. But overall the list I put up there includes all their best guys and their are pretty young. Guys like Terrence Newman aren't top notch in my book anymore. I have a story on him but another day.
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Jerry let Parcells and Johnson handle the drafting. In drafts that Jones acted as GM, they got Quincy Carter types.
 
HuttoKarl said:
Jerry let Parcells and Johnson handle the drafting. In drafts that Jones acted as GM, they got Quincy Carter types.
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And who can forget Bill's great choice of his friend's kid..Bobby Carpenter.

Think he was a first round choice.

High one anyway.
 
WWJD said:
And who can forget Bill's great choice of his friend's kid..Bobby Carpenter.

Think he was a first round choice.

High one anyway.
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True, but much like Travis Johnson, Carpenter was expected to be a solid NFL player...if I remember correctly, he was taken about where mocks had him.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/bobby_carpenter.html

Bobby Carpenter LB 6’3 255 Ohio St.
By: Robert Davis

Bobby Carpenter is a part of arguably the best linebacking group in the country. He teams with A.J. Hawk and Anthony Schlegel to form the heart and soul of the Ohio St. team this season. As a sophomore in 2003, Carpenter played in a part time role, but still managed to finish the year with 37 tackles, 6.5 for loss, and 4.5 sacks. In his first year as a starter in 2004, he was in on more plays, tallying 93 tackles, 6.5 for loss, 2 sacks, and 3 interceptions. As a senior this past season, Carpenter tallied 49 tackles, 10.5 for loss, with eight sacks.

Carpenter is a jumbo linebacker at the college level. You do not see too many 250+ linebackers that are quick enough to play in space. But Carpenter can. He is a good athlete, moves around the field fluidly, and closes very well on the ball. He plays hard on the field, and does not shy away from contact. He is strong and can take on a block, get off and bring down the ball carrier.

There isn’t much to not like about Carpenter. He may not be the 6’3 listed, but that’s being picky. Even though he is a good athlete, he does not always display it in coverage. He can have trouble when isolated in space. Carpenter will also need to have his ankle examined. His season ended early on in the Michigan game after breaking his ankle.

Bobby Carpenter doesn’t have the upside of a lot of the linebackers in this draft, but he looks like a safe bet to be a solid NFL linebacker. As long as his ankle checks out fine - and it should - Carpenter will be a Day One selection and should move on to a successful NFL career.
 
HuttoKarl said:
True, but much like Travis Johnson, Carpenter was expected to be a solid NFL player...if I remember correctly, he was taken about where mocks had him.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/bobby_carpenter.html

Bobby Carpenter LB 6’3 255 Ohio St.
By: Robert Davis

Bobby Carpenter is a part of arguably the best linebacking group in the country. He teams with A.J. Hawk and Anthony Schlegel to form the heart and soul of the Ohio St. team this season. As a sophomore in 2003, Carpenter played in a part time role, but still managed to finish the year with 37 tackles, 6.5 for loss, and 4.5 sacks. In his first year as a starter in 2004, he was in on more plays, tallying 93 tackles, 6.5 for loss, 2 sacks, and 3 interceptions. As a senior this past season, Carpenter tallied 49 tackles, 10.5 for loss, with eight sacks.

Carpenter is a jumbo linebacker at the college level. You do not see too many 250+ linebackers that are quick enough to play in space. But Carpenter can. He is a good athlete, moves around the field fluidly, and closes very well on the ball. He plays hard on the field, and does not shy away from contact. He is strong and can take on a block, get off and bring down the ball carrier.

There isn’t much to not like about Carpenter. He may not be the 6’3 listed, but that’s being picky. Even though he is a good athlete, he does not always display it in coverage. He can have trouble when isolated in space. Carpenter will also need to have his ankle examined. His season ended early on in the Michigan game after breaking his ankle.

Bobby Carpenter doesn’t have the upside of a lot of the linebackers in this draft, but he looks like a safe bet to be a solid NFL linebacker. As long as his ankle checks out fine - and it should - Carpenter will be a Day One selection and should move on to a successful NFL career.
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Can't you say that about alot of players? It's all a crap shot until they start playing in the NFL...

I'm still wondering how Bobby continues to get a roster spot every year. And Bill's long gone. I guess he practices well. Maybe he jumps high when they have drills.
 
WWJD said:
Can't you say that about alot of players? It's all a crap shot until they start playing in the NFL...

I'm still wondering how Bobby continues to get a roster spot every year. And Bill's long gone. I guess he practices well. Maybe he jumps high when they have drills.
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You can definitely say that about any player. There's no "sure thing" in the draft. For every Peyton Manning, there's a dozen Couch, Bozworth or Mandarich-es.

I'm guessing they keep him around because he's probably a big cap hit if they outright ditch him.
 
HuttoKarl said:
Jerry let Parcells and Johnson handle the drafting. In drafts that Jones acted as GM, they got Quincy Carter types.
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Well everyone brings up Quincy Carter but forgets post Parcells that Jerry has moved around, gotten some extra picks and right now can take credit for Anthony Spencer, Felix Jones, Mike Jenkins, Tashard Choice, Orlanda Scandrich.

He also, post Jimmy drafted Larry Allen(hall of famer), Randal Godfrey, Dexter Coakley, Omar Stoutmire(7th), Greg Ellis, Flozell Adams, Dat Nguyen Roy Williams(who was considered a stud and played like one for a few years until coverage skills and horse collaring happened), Andre Gurode, Antonio Bryant.

Granted there were a ton of misses in those years. Alot more. Some full drafts were busts. Jerry isn't a stud GM. Not close. I'm just saying, the list above has some really nice players and some studs. Yet Quincy gets all the hype and not Larry Allen.
 
HuttoKarl said:
You can definitely say that about any player. There's no "sure thing" in the draft. For every Peyton Manning, there's a dozen Couch, Bozworth or Mandarich-es.

I'm guessing they keep him around because he's probably a big cap hit if they outright ditch him.
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I THINK he's an ok special teams player. That's probably it.

He's always the one guy on the roster though that every fan picks out and says BUST! It's always Bobby.
 
Actually I'm starting to wonder if there are any "can't miss" players anymore?

Like this Suh guy...keep hearing that about him. He's a "can't miss"...well is he?

I saw him throw Colt around like a rag doll but what will he do in the NFL? Will he be able to do that?

I guess that's what makes the draft so interesting..guys like that.
 
WWJD said:
Actually I'm starting to wonder if there are any "can't miss" players anymore?

Like this Suh guy...keep hearing that about him. He's a "can't miss"...well is he?

I saw him throw Colt around like a rag doll but what will he do in the NFL? Will he be able to do that?

I guess that's what makes the draft so interesting..guys like that.
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I remember a lot of us clamoring for the OT from Vandy that Chicago ended up with....he was a stud prospect everyone had very high expectations from...back injury and haven't heard anything about him since...no such thing as "can't miss".
 
HuttoKarl said:
I remember a lot of us clamoring for the OT from Vandy that Chicago ended up with....he was a stud prospect everyone had very high expectations from...back injury and haven't heard anything about him since...no such thing as "can't miss".
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I remember all the talk about Robert Gallery but I don't know how well he plays for the Raiders.

I remember him grading out as a "can't miss" but then I know he hurt his leg or something.

Remember all the hype and he was maybe the 2nd pick that year?
 
WWJD said:
I remember all the talk about Robert Gallery but I don't know how well he plays for the Raiders.

I remember him grading out as a "can't miss" but then I know he hurt his leg or something.

Remember all the hype and he was maybe the 2nd pick that year?
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Busted as a tackle. Moved inside to guard.
 
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