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Justice is stiring the pot again

TD said:
Not quite....I still want the Jets to beat the Colts. I could snack on that little piece of irony all the way to September. :chef:
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Yes, there's still a little bit of football left, but I was meaning off-season for the MB. You know, meaningless debates over something you can't control started by the local hack.

I dislike anything NY and I don't like the Colts, so I'm kinda in a pickle on who to root for in that game. Either way, It looks like I'll be rooting for the NFC in the Bowl. I can't remember if I've ever done that.
 
worldlyman said:
To be honest, the Texans, did underachieve, if looked at one way. But not so much "waaaaay." What's the understatement? (And we might wonder how much the Colts and Cowboys would have well-achieved if Dallas Clark and Jason Witten went down for the year in mid-season. I still marvel how the Texans offense still scrapped as well as they could without a crucial offensive piece like Owen Daniels; never underestimate the TE importance when the running game is suffering.)

The negative side of the overall performances by the 2009-2010 Houston Texans, if we can beat this like a dead horse, came down to last second missed field goals, a last second dropped goal line fumble and last second inability to punch it in at the goal line. I venture to guess, that if the Texans made these fine hair plays and gone into 4 overtime games, I figure they would have won ONE of those games at least and would have been in the playoffs. And the naysayer negative nellies would still, ah, who knows.

Again, under Gary Kubiak, the Texans put SUPREME EFFORT this year, even with some bonehead plays and miscues.

What did coaching have to do with those gaffs by the players? Owner McNair is right. In those circumstances, the players HAVE TO make plays.

We should not give a rat's behind what Wade Phillips or Rex Ryan did. They could very well hit bottom next year.

Exhibit A: Atlanta Falcons coach Mike Smith. 11-5 last year, playoffs his first year. This year, nada.

And as noted, Wade Phillips INHERITED a team essentially built by Bill Parcells. Gary Kubiak had to RE-BUILD from the BOTTOM. I wonder why this is so hard to grasp.

So I look at the big picture. Gary has this team built for the long haul. His defense may not be as solidly tooled as the Jets...but hey, from 32 to 13 in rank...I don't believe Gary Kubiak his 1st choice DC, Frank Bush, are a problem at this point. Kubiak should get an extension.
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Uh, ok. Let's tackle the "it's the players fault for not making plays" argument.

Sure, it's ultimately up to the players. But, when those players do not perform, it is up to the coach to deal with that situation.

I have two names for you: 1) Kris Brown. 2) Chris Brown.

These two kept screwing up over and over and over and over again. Between the two of them they cost us three or four games. So what did Gary do? Nothing. He kept going with them as if nothing was wrong, as if this were 8th grade and this was pee wee football.

Gary is the head coach. He could have snapped his fingers and gotten a new kicker in less than a day or two. After the Monday night game, he could have had a new kicker in the locker room by Thursday. But, he didn't want to hurt Kris's feelings, so he kept going with him. You see where they got us.

As you said, we don't want to beat a dead horse, but, this teams issues are all about coaching.
 
houstonspartan said:
As you said, we don't want to beat a dead horse, but, this teams issues are all about coaching.
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And there is your perspective problem. This team's issues aren't all about any one thing.

Trying to paint every issue as all on the players or all on the coaches is weak either way.
 
I just want to say that I don't think any of us had a party over a winning record but overall team sprite wise it's better than an 8-8 record for them going into next season. Yes, I am sure we'd all agree on that. Right?
 
houstonspartan said:
Uh, ok. Let's tackle the "it's the players fault for not making plays" argument.

Sure, it's ultimately up to the players. But, when those players do not perform, it is up to the coach to deal with that situation.

I have two names for you: 1) Kris Brown. 2) Chris Brown.

These two kept screwing up over and over and over and over again. Between the two of them they cost us three or four games. So what did Gary do? Nothing. He kept going with them as if nothing was wrong, as if this were 8th grade and this was pee wee football.

Gary is the head coach. He could have snapped his fingers and gotten a new kicker in less than a day or two. After the Monday night game, he could have had a new kicker in the locker room by Thursday. But, he didn't want to hurt Kris's feelings, so he kept going with him. You see where they got us.

As you said, we don't want to beat a dead horse, but, this teams issues are all about coaching.
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All three RB's were having problems. Take a kicker who is paid but has not produced they were both drafted to play. I don't see who you turn to mid season like that when everyone is sucking at the time.
 
Joe Texan said:
There is no way I want Bob to be like Jerry Jones. He is a Way Better Owner and does not have to be always in the spotlight with the team. Bob is a patient man who has a good thing going and he know people will come and go but when he has the team on top Everyone and thier mother will be on the Wagon. You will even get the Closet Cowboy Fans Back.


Justice can Kiss My Ass adn I am going over there to tell his ass
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woop woop, ditto! ;)
 
7 freaking pages. I'm not going to read the damn Justice article, I don't care how many pages you guys go through. Just here to express my displeasure with his continued employment. Carry on.
 
I wonder what Justice's columns (and this board) would have read like with the exact same season, but the NYJ loses one of its last two games.
 
you are better than that SheTexan. to revel in another team's demise when your own team is irrelevant and wasn't in the picture to begin with is kinda wack. to each his own but I was pulling for the Pokes, its a Texas thing with me though. I root for all things Texan except maybe the Spurs but I am not going to revel in their defeat.
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Dude I know your a Cowboy Jerry Jones suck ass now, And I will also tell you when you go up against Grandma you take on all of this board that was here before your Cowboy loving Ass even knew this board existed. You go ahead and hate on the Texans and Keep up your Cowboy Drivel with your lust to get inside Jerry Jones Pants but you leave Grandma alone or you will never hear the end of it. You Guys want to agree with an ***** that said
YOU WOULD TRADE BOB FOR JERRY PERIOD, he did not ask he flat out told Us in Houston that we would love Jerry and Hate Bob if we had the chance. I will tell him personally that you bone heads that defend him will gladly eat the crust out of his underwaer but I and I know Grandma would never let him finish a speach with out Praising our Texans While Making sure he heard and knew how we felt about Jerry' s Kids.
 
infantrycak said:
And there is your perspective problem. This team's issues aren't all about any one thing.

Trying to paint every issue as all on the players or all on the coaches is weak either way.
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Chris Brown the RB shouldn't have even been on the team, much less been the short yardage back or the guy that got those crucial carries at the end of games. Even after he failed so many times, Kubes kept giving him opportunities at crucial moments where the team's chances relied on him. That was just horrible personal decisions from the jump that hurt the team and put 3 losses in the L column. Sure players like Brown messed up, but the point that Spartan was making is that he should have never had the opportunity in the first place and Kubes should have known that. 1 time of that mistake was bad. Two times was horrible. The 3rd time was inexcusable and unforgettable.
 
Joe Texan said:
Dude I know your a Cowboy Jerry Jones suck ass now, And I will also tell you when you go up against Grandma you take on all of this board that was here before your Cowboy loving Ass even knew this board existed. You go ahead and hate on the Texans and Keep up your Cowboy Drivel with your lust to get inside Jerry Jones Pants but you leave Grandma alone or you will never hear the end of it. You Guys want to agree with an ***** that said
YOU WOULD TRADE BOB FOR JERRY PERIOD, he did not ask he flat out told Us in Houston that we would love Jerry and Hate Bob if we had the chance. I will tell him personally that you bone heads that defend him will gladly eat the crust out of his underwaer but I and I know Grandma would never let him finish a speach with out Praising our Texans While Making sure he heard and knew how we felt about Jerry' s Kids.
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Therein lies the difference between you and most rational people in the world. He never said you would hate McNair. He said you would chose Jerry because of his success. Many people find it pretty silly to hate a person just because they own another team. It isn't like he is Bud and took the team.
 
Joe Texan said:
Dude I know your a Cowboy Jerry Jones suck ass now, And I will also tell you when you go up against Grandma you take on all of this board that was here before your Cowboy loving Ass even knew this board existed. You go ahead and hate on the Texans and Keep up your Cowboy Drivel with your lust to get inside Jerry Jones Pants but you leave Grandma alone or you will never hear the end of it. You Guys want to agree with an ***** that said
YOU WOULD TRADE BOB FOR JERRY PERIOD, he did not ask he flat out told Us in Houston that we would love Jerry and Hate Bob if we had the chance. I will tell him personally that you bone heads that defend him will gladly eat the crust out of his underwaer but I and I know Grandma would never let him finish a speach with out Praising our Texans While Making sure he heard and knew how we felt about Jerry' s Kids.
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WTF? Come on Joe. Lighten up bud. It isn't that serious.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
he is either A. trying to show that he is cool cause he has an Iphone.

or B. too much of a n00b to know how to disable the auto-signature on his app. :)

but i don't want to hate on him too bad because i am a proud iphone user too. i just don't post on TT with it or have it in my signature that I am posting from an iphone.
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I don't get your point? ...what's wrong with using whatever tech you have to access the msg board? I've used my BlackBerry from training camp to post the goings-on. It's the Twenty-First Century for goodness sakes. If someone is techno-savvy enough to post on the go, good for them.

Back to topic...
The fact that this thread is 9 pages long means Justice got what he wanted... fan reaction.
Like it or not, this time Justice won.
 
Joe Texan said:
I am Lightened up but Justice Sucks and anyone who Sucks Justice is a nomrod
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I think we need to arrange a "sit down" between you and Justice Joe. Let you two guys debate and counter each other over the Texans and the Cowboys. Now that would be hilarious. Lol!

I know you're down. :pirate:
 
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Can't we all just get along????
 
I think we should write the chronicle and make them send Justice to Dallas where he belongs. There are alot of teams who did better than us in the last 5 years but who gives a sh-t. We are here in Houston Texas, do I want us to do better h-ll yea, but we are not and we are still fans and our own paper talking sh-t on us while polishing jerry's nob is disrespectful and bull sh-t!
 
gary said:
I just want to say that I don't think any of us had a party over a winning record but overall team sprite wise it's better than an 8-8 record for them going into next season. Yes, I am sure we'd all agree on that. Right?
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I'd have rather they went 8-8 and had Cowher as our new coach. That didn't happen though.

gary said:
All three RB's were having problems. Take a kicker who is paid but has not produced they were both drafted to play. I don't see who you turn to mid season like that when everyone is sucking at the time.
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But when they can't play anymore, you cut him. We should have had a new kicker after the MNF game...no question. Kubiak should not have started Chris Brown in that Tennessee game. This isn't a Disney movie, Kubes. Brown was not going to get revenge on his former team.
 
GuerillaBlack said:
I'd have rather they went 8-8 and had Cowher as our new coach. That didn't happen though.



But when they can't play anymore, you cut him. We should have had a new kicker after the MNF game...no question. Kubiak should not have started Chris Brown in that Tennessee game. This isn't a Disney movie, Kubes. Brown was not going to get revenge on his former team.
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LOL!!! You just made my day with that one.
 
If Jerry is in charge of the draft, that means he's responsible for drafting the likes of Quincy Carter and Roy Williams (no not that Roy Williams - OU Roy Williams).

:lol:
 
GuerillaBlack said:
I'd have rather they went 8-8 and had Cowher as our new coach. That didn't happen though.



But when they can't play anymore, you cut him. We should have had a new kicker after the MNF game...no question. Kubiak should not have started Chris Brown in that Tennessee game. This isn't a Disney movie, Kubes. Brown was not going to get revenge on his former team.
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I am not so sure 8-8 would have gotten Gary fired and now is a better time to cut players IMO.
 
Texan_Bill said:
If Jerry is in charge of the draft, that means he's responsible for drafting the likes of Quincy Carter and Roy Williams (no not that Roy Williams - OU Roy Williams).

:lol:
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haha. i forgot about Quincy's selection. That was a major reach, too. 2nd Round pick for UFA talent. OU Roy was a pretty damn good player but obviously not worth where they took him. He made some big hits but he was toast in the secondary once team's recognized his inability to play coverage.
 
9 pages on a Justice thread?

Damnit people, stop clicking on his links, stories, whatever drivel he gets out into print somehow.

Richard Justice is like a bad case of poison ivy, the sooner you stop scratching it, the sooner it will go away.
 
Goldensilence said:
9 pages on a Justice thread?

Damnit people, stop clicking on his links, stories, whatever drivel he gets out into print somehow.

Richard Justice is like a bad case of poison ivy, the sooner you stop scratching it, the sooner it will go away.
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A bad case of poison ivy? More like a raging case of bleeding ass herpes dipped in lemonade.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
you are better than that SheTexan. to revel in another team's demise when your own team is irrelevant and wasn't in the picture to begin with is kinda wack. to each his own but I was pulling for the Pokes, its a Texas thing with me though. I root for all things Texan except maybe the Spurs but I am not going to revel in their defeat.
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I'm no phony SH. I'm perfectly happy knowing the Cowboys, and their fans, will be watching the rest of the playoff at home, just like me. I accepted the fate of my team a long time ago, and live with the heat and sarcasm caused by their demise on a daily basis, mostly from Cowboy fans. Such is life of a football fan. If ya can't take the heat, don't have a favorite team you pull for. To pull for a team just because they are from the State of Texas is pretty lame, IMHO. I've hated the Cowboys for the better part of 50 yrs, I'm not gonna stop now. My dislike for that team has NOTHING to do with my passion for the Texans. SO, if I'm "wack" because of it, then so be it.
 
Joe Texan said:
I am Lightened up but Justice Sucks and anyone who Sucks Justice is a nomrod
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Seriously dude?! Not of fan of the holier than thou attitude...when you make a post you are certain to get a post back...no matter if your that grandma or like you "here from the begining" I am God schmoe.
 
I stopped clicking on links from Justice that were Texans related a long time ago mainly due to him constantly contradicting himself from article to article and his overall mean spiritness towards the Texans, their GM in particular. I can't believe this many die hard Texans fans, 9 pages worth of replies, still read the man. When it comes to writing about football and the Texans, he isn't a very good journalist w/ little integrity. You guys didn't realize that long ago? He is knowledgable about the Astros and baseball and I do occassionally read his articles about them, but football no.
 
record said:
I stopped clicking on links from Justice that were Texans related a long time ago mainly due to him constantly contradicting himself from article to article and his overall mean spiritness towards the Texans, their GM in particular. I can't believe this many die hard Texans fans, 9 pages worth of replies, still read the man. When it comes to writing about football and the Texans, he isn't a very good journalist w/ little integrity. You guys didn't realize that long ago? He is knowledgable about the Astros and baseball and I do occassionally read his articles about them, but football no.
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Go back and read the entire 9 pages. Not everyone reads his crap. It's nine pages of opinions on the man, not nine pages of fans claiming they read the drivel he writes.
 
Everytime I see this thread title I think it says

"Justice is smoking the pot again"

Of course, that could be indicative of other things :uchicken: <---what on earth is this?
 
Jerry Jones got NOTHING out of their draft last year. They've got residual Parcells talent and some of that is fading towards retirement. They have to hop to plug all their holes via draft because they won't be able to add FA's unless they lose FA's, and the Boys don't really have a whole lot coming off their books.

McNair's doing it right...although it's seemingly really slow.
 
WWJD said:
This thread has gotten WAY too personal.
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I'm the only one on this board with all the right opinions. It is plainly obvious that everyone else has the WRONG idea of things and all of you are complete *********s and should listen to me, because I'm always right.

So there. That should take care of things. :)

The off season. It's upon us all like Houston humidity and bad TV. LOL
 
HuttoKarl said:
Jerry Jones got NOTHING out of their draft last year. They've got residual Parcells talent and some of that is fading towards retirement. They have to hop to plug all their holes via draft because they won't be able to add FA's unless they lose FA's, and the Boys don't really have a whole lot coming off their books.

McNair's doing it right...although it's seemingly really slow.
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Buehler..lead the league in touchbacks. He was about it this year.

Most of their draft choices were hurt. Don't get what you mean by they can't add FA's with losing FA's. Huh?
 
Thorn said:
I'm the only one on this board with all the right opinions. It is plainly obvious that everyone else has the WRONG idea of things and all of you are complete *********s and should listen to me, because I'm always right.

So there. That should take care of things. :)

The off season. It's upon us all like Houston humidity and bad TV. LOL
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I have a delicate nature..the namecalling gets to me. Sports sure gets personal doesn't it?

I don't remember it being as bad as it is nowadays. Over saturated media feeds the flames and people just get ALL riled up!
 
WWJD said:
Buehler..lead the league in touchbacks. He was about it this year.

Most of their draft choices were hurt. Don't get what you mean by they can't add FA's with losing FA's. Huh?
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Under the 2010 rules without a collective bargaining agreement, the top 8 teams can not sign free agents over $4.9 million per year unless another such player was signed away from their team.
 
WWJD said:
Buehler..lead the league in touchbacks. He was about it this year.

Most of their draft choices were hurt. Don't get what you mean by they can't add FA's with losing FA's. Huh?
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80864e15&template=with-video&confirm=true

Playoff restrictions

If the league gets to the point of an uncapped year, people are afraid that deep-pocket owners such as Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder will come in and buy a championship. If the aggressive owners already have playoff teams, there will be restrictions on how much money they can spend. The formula may slide with the number of players they lose in free agency, but the plan is designed to not let teams buy a championship. The truth is, the first two triggers aren't going to leave too many players available to acquire anyway.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d808736ba&template=with-video&confirm=true

The rule will restrict the final eight teams in the playoffs from signing free agents. The final four teams shall not be permitted to negotiate and sign any unrestricted free agent to a player contract except for players who acquired their status by being cut or were on the final four team when their contract expired. Playoff teams five thru eight get a break to sign one player with a salary of $4,925,000 or more and any number of players with a first-year salary of no more than $3,275,000 and an annual increase of no more than 30 percent in the following years.

There is a mechanism to permit the final eight teams to sign an unrestricted free agent for each one of their own unrestricted free agents who sign with another club as long as they don't spend more than what their own lost player received from his new club.
 
WWJD said:
Buehler..lead the league in touchbacks. He was about it this year.

Most of their draft choices were hurt. Don't get what you mean by they can't add FA's with losing FA's. Huh?
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If 2010 is uncapped, then playoff teams cannot sign any FA until they lose a FA from their team.
 
GuerillaBlack said:
Bad kickers can be cut anytime.
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Right, but to go out a sign one of the other four or five kicker who have been costing their teams important playoff games. Where do you go from there? Just draft a long term kicker now it is time I agree.
 
HuttoKarl said:
Jerry Jones got NOTHING out of their draft last year. They've got residual Parcells talent and some of that is fading towards retirement. They have to hop to plug all their holes via draft because they won't be able to add FA's unless they lose FA's, and the Boys don't really have a whole lot coming off their books.

McNair's doing it right...although it's seemingly really slow.
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I wouldn't call Ware, Spencer, Felix Jones, Choice, Miles Austin, Romo, Ogletree, Scandrick, Jay Ratliff and Mike Jenkins(stud) heading towards retirement. All are young or like Romo, only a few years in to playing. All these guys are their base and core. So what you said is untrue.

As far as FAs, true
 
HoustonFrog said:
I wouldn't call Ware, Spencer, Felix Jones, Choice, Miles Austin, Romo, Ogletree, Scandrick, Jay Ratliff and Mike Jenkins(stud) heading towards retirement. All are young or like Romo, only a few years in to playing. All these guys are their base and core. So what you said is untrue.

As far as FAs, true
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"Some of that" is the operative phrase. And again...they're not Jones guys...they're Parcells guys for the most part.
 
HuttoKarl said:
"Some of that" is the operative phrase. And again...they're not Jones guys...they're Parcells guys for the most part.
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They're Jones guys in that he hired Parcells. As I've told people, you can't take Jerry in a vacuum and act like his ownership doesn't include Jimmy Johnson and Parcells. They were his two smartest hires. Yes, he isn't a great GM and he meddles. But he stepped back and let those guys do their job when they were hired. He gets credit for that in my book because they were his 2 best football moves. So I don't like splitting guys up. But overall the list I put up there includes all their best guys and their are pretty young. Guys like Terrence Newman aren't top notch in my book anymore. I have a story on him but another day.
 
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