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Justice is stiring the pot again

dalemurphy said:
The reality about the chronicle is that the two best football writers at the chronicle are the two fan bloggers: Jeremy Rice and Stephanie Stradley. Solomon occasionally writes an interesting column and McClain sometimes has the inside scoop. But, the writing, as a whole, is just horrid!
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I do go sometimes and read John's "chat" but I don't get much sports news from the Chronicle...people on here get links and such on so fast here I can stay more up to date just logging on here and the variety of links is better anyway on here.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
yeah, really? because I am honest and objective, I don't love my team? whatever man, I am sorry I don't drink the koolaid and homer for my team when its painfully obvious that the Cowboys are far superior to the Texans now and in the past. The future could change that and I hope it does, but to be ignorant of the past just makes you another ignorant Houston sports fan.

I have been a season ticket holder since 2002 (4 seats in the endzone) and my name is etched on the glass outside of the stadium. In other words, I helped build that damn stadium our team plays in, so dont come here with your Haterade. I guess your Vikings avatar makes you a Texans fan, huh? Oh wait, its your Napoleonic complex coming out as a Houston fan towards Dallas. Your probably one of the people that think Cowboys-Texans is actually a rivalry....lol
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Second,

Isn't it funny how we season ticket holders are often the most critical of the team, and we end up being called haters? LOL. Constructive criticism is constructive criticism. The truth is the truth. I have been VERY hard on this team, mainly because I love it so much.

I'm sure that letter from Bob McNair announcing a price increase will arrive in my mailbox any day now.

As for the topic at hand, this is a complicated issue. I hate Jerry Jones, and think he's a total joke and moron. However, I respect his concrete decision making skills. He notices a problem, identifies it, and deals with it - immediately.

Jones knew that they were having trouble with their kicker towards the end of the season. He also knew they were going to be trying for the playoffs. So what did he do to the kicker that he liked and respected? He got rid of him. I'm sure it wasn't easy for him. Nick Folk was a pro-bowl kicker, and Jones probably liked the guy. But this is a business. Jones had to do what he had to do. I respect him for that.

Meanwhile, a few hours south of Big D, we have Kris Brown and Gary Kubiak. Brown has missed 11 field goals this year. That number needs to be spelled out for emphasis: E-L-E-V-E-N. He has often missed multiple field goals in one game.

Instead of politely sending him packing, we let him stay on the team. And, instead of cutting him in the offseason, we're going to bring in "competition" and supposedly make him "earn" his job. Never mind that said competition would be a sham because the coaches like Kris and he will keep his job regardless.

If Kris was a kicker for the Cowboys (or almost any other team, for that matter) he would have been unemployed after the Monday night disaster.
I hate Jerry Jones, but I respect him.
 
dalemurphy said:
Here's how I would argue that: I was a Cowboy fan since 1977... which is my first memory of football- watching the Cowboys in the playoffs at 4 years old. They were my team in 1989 when he bought them, fired Tom Landry and hired Jimmy. I was thrilled. I continued to be a huge fan and enjoyed 2 Superbowls in 1992 and 93. Then, he dismissed Jimmy in order to prove to the world his genius. He hired that moron that attempted to carry a gun on to a commercial airplane. I continued to try and root for them. The 1995 Superbowl victory versus Pitt was the emptiest victory I've ever witnessed. I knew then that I couldn't continue to root for him... After all, the players and coaches all change, only the owner remains constant... well, and the city... but, who in their right mind feels a connection to Dallas?

So, I was a man without a team until Houston announced. I'm thrilled to root for Bob McNair and his organization. The year when I became an even bigger fan was the worst W/L season we've ever have: 2005. Right after Katrina, I drove from Austin to Houston in order to volunteer for the relief effort. I was overwhelmed by the generosity of Mr. McNair and of Houston. He openned up these new, expensive, and beautiful facilities to these people. That is the kind of character, leadership that I'm interested in. Clearly some people define success differently. But, according to the way I see things, few things said are more obnoxious than: "Jerry Jones has proven to be a better owner than Bob McNair."

None of that discounts the fact that I want to win... I just think some things are more valuable. And, my experience rooting for that SOB is that the winning becomes pretty darn empty.
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I'm pretty sure Bill White started it all with sending the evacuees to the Astrodome. It just trickled down from there. Still, Jerry Jones has some qualities that I wish McNair had.

Good job volunteering though!
 
dalemurphy said:
Here's how I would argue that: I was a Cowboy fan since 1977... which is my first memory of football- watching the Cowboys in the playoffs at 4 years old. They were my team in 1989 when he bought them, fired Tom Landry and hired Jimmy. I was thrilled. I continued to be a huge fan and enjoyed 2 Superbowls in 1992 and 93. Then, he dismissed Jimmy in order to prove to the world his genius. He hired that moron that attempted to carry a gun on to a commercial airplane. I continued to try and root for them. The 1995 Superbowl victory versus Pitt was the emptiest victory I've ever witnessed. I knew then that I couldn't continue to root for him... After all, the players and coaches all change, only the owner remains constant... well, and the city... but, who in their right mind feels a connection to Dallas?
So, I was a man without a team until Houston announced. I'm thrilled to root for Bob McNair and his organization. The year when I became an even bigger fan was the worst W/L season we've ever have: 2005. Right after Katrina, I drove from Austin to Houston in order to volunteer for the relief effort. I was overwhelmed by the generosity of Mr. McNair and of Houston. He openned up these new, expensive, and beautiful facilities to these people. That is the kind of character, leadership that I'm interested in. Clearly some people define success differently. But, according to the way I see things, few things said are more obnoxious than: "Jerry Jones has proven to be a better owner than Bob McNair."

None of that discounts the fact that I want to win... I just think some things are more valuable. And, my experience rooting for that SOB is that the winning becomes pretty darn empty.
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I find this kind of thinking pathetic. You are a fan of a TEAM, their history, etc. You can't influence who owns the team or what they do but you sure can keep supporting the players. That is the constant you speak of. I grew up in Ft. Worth. Lived there 23 years before moving here. So it is types like me that feel close to their city, which is Cowboy country. Your statement about Dallas can only be explained as dumb. Been a fan of the Boys since 1975, when I remember football. Do I like all that Jerry has done...no. But just as he gets flogged for his miscues then he gets credit for his triumphs..hiring Jimmy, hiring Parcells and winning SBs but paying and keeping talent. Moves like bringing in Charles Haley, Dieon, etc. So from that standpoint is is hands down a better owner.

If you knew anything about the Jimmy/Jerry fued it is that Jerry didn't just up and fire Jimmy. Jimmy called him out on many occassions, made fun of him, taunted him. He wanted out and Jerry was tired of the talking back and forth. Jimmy admits this. It is why they are still best friends and Jimmy was his guest on opening night of the stadium. They both are to blame.

You are the worst kind. You weren't a fan to start with your attitude.

BTW, you bring up Katrina....you know Jones and his wife have been awarded some of the highest cheritable honors for their work with the Salvation Army and the Girls and Boys Club
 
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Second Honeymoon said:
yeah, really? because I am honest and objective, I don't love my team? whatever man, I am sorry I don't drink the koolaid and homer for my team when its painfully obvious that the Cowboys are far superior to the Texans now and in the past. The future could change that and I hope it does, but to be ignorant of the past just makes you another ignorant Houston sports fan.

I have been a season ticket holder since 2002 (4 seats in the endzone) and my name is etched on the glass outside of the stadium. In other words, I helped build that damn stadium our team plays in, so dont come here with your Haterade. I guess your Vikings avatar makes you a Texans fan, huh? Oh wait, its your Napoleonic complex coming out as a Houston fan towards Dallas. Your probably one of the people that think Cowboys-Texans is actually a rivalry....lol
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There's a difference between being a realist and a hater. Just like there's a difference between being a homer and a realist. I too didn't like some of Gary's playcalling. And he is stubborn as hell... But he also has brought this team to a very respectable level so far in his tenure. Do you remember how bad this team was when he took over? I am sure you do... They were as bad as the Lions are right now.

And you don't have to love Gary or the current owner, but when you continually use words like "suck", "suckage", "terrible". It's hard to take you serious because all I see is hate from you even if you do make some good points. I really don't even remember you even giving any props to the current regime. Hell, you were the one who started a "Fire Frank Bush" thread like two games into the season...LOL!!!!

And I too am a season ticket holder. And I live 350 miles away. I get home at 10:00 pm on Sundays after a game. Doesn't make me a better or worse fan.

And No... I don't think that the Texans and Cowboys are rivals.. They only play each other every four years.. But don't act like the Cowboys are the premier franchise either at this moment. I wouldn't want Jerry Jones as an owner because he meddles to much. He has done two good things since buying the franchise. Hiring Jimi Johnson and hiring Bill Parcells. He will eventually drive this team into a black hole just like Al Davis did unless he gets a GM. He might get lucky with a draft or two but eventually his lack of knowledge of scouting and pro personell will catch up to him.

Ohh.. I have a Vikings avatar because I wanna piss off many closet cowboy fans like you...
 
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stingray said:
There's a difference between being a realist and a hater. Just like there's a difference between being a homer and a realist. I too didn't like some of Gary's playcalling. And he is stubborn as hell... But he also has brought this team to a very respectable level so far in his tenure. Do you remember how bad this team was when he took over? I am sure you do... They were as bad as the Lions are right now.

And you don't have to love Gary or the current owner, but when you continually use words like "suck", "suckage", "terrible". It's hard to take you serious because all I see is hate from you even if you do make some good points. I really don't even remember you even giving any props to the current regime. Hell, you were the one who started a "Fire Frank Bush". Thread like two games into the season...LOL!!!!

And I too am a season ticket holder. And I live 350 miles away. I get home at 10:00 pm on Sundays after a game. Doesn't make me a better or worse fan.

And No... I don't think that the Texans and Cowboys are rivals.. They only play each other every four years.. But don't act like the Cowboys are the premier franchise either at this moment. I wouldn't want Jerry Jones as an owner because he meddles to much. He has done two good things since buying the franchise. Hiring Jimi Johnson and hiring Bill Parcells. He will eventually drive this team into a black hole just like Al Davis did unless he gets a GM. He might get lucky with a draft or two but eventually his lack of knowledge of scouting and pro-football will catch up to him.
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Well said sir! +REP
 
stingray said:
There's a difference between being a realist and a hater. Just like there's a difference between being a homer and a realist. I too didn't like some of Gary's playcalling. And he is stubborn as hell... But he also has brought this team to a very respectable level so far in his tenure. Do you remember how bad this team was when he took over? I am sure you do... They were as bad as the Lions are right now.

And you don't have to love Gary or the current owner, but when you continually use words like "suck", "suckage", "terrible". It's hard to take you serious because all I see is hate from you even if you do make some good points. I really don't even remember you even giving any props to the current regime. Hell, you were the one who started a "Fire Frank Bush" thread like two games into the season...LOL!!!!

And I too am a season ticket holder. And I live 350 miles away. I get home at 10:00 pm on Sundays after a game. Doesn't make me a better or worse fan.

And No... I don't think that the Texans and Cowboys are rivals.. They only play each other every four years.. But don't act like the Cowboys are the premier franchise either at this moment. I wouldn't want Jerry Jones as an owner because he meddles to much. He has done two good things since buying the franchise. Hiring Jimi Johnson and hiring Bill Parcells. He will eventually drive this team into a black hole just like Al Davis did unless he gets a GM. He might get lucky with a draft or two but eventually his lack of knowledge of scouting and pro personell will catch up to him.

Ohh.. I have a Vikings avatar because I wanna piss off many closet cowboy fans like you...
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Most people said he already was leading them to nowhere and look where they are. And your statement about all he has done good.....he changed the NFL for all owners. You do know Jones and McNair are buddies, right? All the owners know that Jerry basically made the revenues to what they are today through stadium sponsorships, etc. When he first started to get Visa and Pepsi to sign deals with the Cowboys, other owners balked and then got behind it because of the revenue. This is one of many things
 
I will tell you that I was Born and Raised a Houston Texan. The Cowpies are just that ****. And you Second Honey Mooner, Pink Soap, "We Season Ticket Owners", Closet Cowboy fans can shove the pink soap right down your throats. Love on Jerrah all you want But I will never tolerate a Houston Rag Spewin Cowboy Vomit all over this town. The Squeaky Wheel gets the grease
and dick face justice is just that a squeaky wheel.
 
HoustonFrog said:
Most people said he already was leading them to nowhere and look where they are. And your statement about all he has done good.....he changed the NFL for all owners. You do know Jones and McNair are buddies, right? All the owners know that Jerry basically made the revenues to what they are today through stadium sponsorships, etc. When he first started to get Visa and Pepsi to sign deals with the Cowboys, other owners balked and then got behind it because of the revenue. This is one of many things
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I was talking about football only issues.. Listen, I would love Jerry Jones as an owner, IF he took himself out of the GM role permanlty. I love owners who really care about winning and jerry wants to win. But I don't like an owner in the "The wizard of Oz" role.
 
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The thing that gets me about Jerry is he's just too power hungry for my taste. He just wants to be it all he sort of reminds me of Hitler because he is such a control freak without there being any merit to be IMO.
 
Joe Texan said:
I left Dick a comment


Dick,
You are the reason the Chronicle is failing, Your Journalism Smells and your Arrogance Reeks of Cowboy Fan. Because you sit there working on a Houston Paper and Spew this garbage like it was true you single handedly are ruining the Houston Sports Seen. Do you realize that no one wants to pick up a paper and look at the putrid stuff you smear all over the pages. We Tell you and Tell you but you still puke all over the sports page and laugh in our faces. Too bad they let you in the news room when you should be shoveling everybodies poop at the Dallas Morning News. Why Don't you just Move down to your little outhouse in Dallas and leave the sports writing in Houston to those that know what they are doing.
If you were on fire I would not spit on you to put you out. Good Day Sir.
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:clap:
 
Joe Texan said:
I will tell you that I was Born and Raised a Houston Texan. The Cowpies are just that ****. And you Second Honey Mooner, Pink Soap, "We Season Ticket Owners", Closet Cowboy fans can shove the pink soap right down your throats. Love on Jerrah all you want But I will never tolerate a Houston Rag Spewin Cowboy Vomit all over this town. The Squeaky Wheel gets the grease
and dick face justice is just that a squeaky wheel.
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You're really 46?
 
stingray said:
I was talking about football only issues.. Listen, I would love Jerry Jones as an owner, IF he took himself out of the GM role permanlty. I love owners who really care about winning and jerry wants to win. But I don't like an owner in the "The wizard of Oz" role.
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I guess that means you aren't an Astros fan.
 
gary said:
The thing that gets me about Jerry is he's just too power hungry for my taste. He just wants to be it all he sort of reminds me of Hitler because he is such a control freak without there being any merit to be IMO.
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You just compared Jerry Jones to Hitler? Some of y'all take this stuff WAY too seriously.
 
Goodwin's law has been enacted
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12 playoff appearances and 3 Lombardi trophies > 0 playoff appearances and 0 Lombardi trophies.

Jerry Jones has scoreboard and there ain't a damn thing we can do about it.
 
I just think some overeact period. He just wants sure power like that is all I'm saying. MY GOD
 
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gary said:
The thing that gets me about Jerry is he's just too power hungry for my taste. He just wants to be it all he sort of reminds me of Hitler because he is such a control freak without there being any merit to be IMO.
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Hitler? Come on bro.

Mr. White said:
12 playoff appearances and 3 Lombardi trophies > 0 playoff appearances and 0 Lombardi trophies.

Jerry Jones has scoreboard and there ain't a damn thing we can do about it.
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Not to mention that he is in the playoffs still...while the Texans have been sitting at home. Looks like him being a control freak is paying off for them.

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gary said:
I just think some overeact period. He just wants sure power like that is all I'm saying. MY GOD
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With all due respect, this is an overreaction post, too.
 
Generally speaking I think most men with Jerry's money and influence are just use to being "in control"...

Jerry's always been honest about it. Day one he came in and said he was going to run the team the way he wanted. He's just wired that way and he's got the bankroll to live life like that.
 
stingray said:
I was talking about football only issues.. Listen, I would love Jerry Jones as an owner, IF he took himself out of the GM role permanlty. I love owners who really care about winning and jerry wants to win. But I don't like an owner in the "The wizard of Oz" role.
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And there are many Cowboy fans,myself included, that feel the same alot of times, but I have to give him his due too.
 
I'm a Texan fan. I'm not a season ticket holder. I live in Dallas but I grew up in Houston. I get to come down for maybe 1 game per year.

I don't like the Cowboys. Never have.

I've lived through a lot of suck seasons. Most of them Oiler seasons.

I didn't much care when Jerry Jones bought the Cowboys. My mom was really unhappy with how he treated Landry and even though I wasn't much of a Cowboy fan, it left a sour taste in my mouth, too.

But he made some right decisions and with Jimmie Johnson, he put together a really great team. But I think that Jerry started to think a bit too much of his own football prowess at that point and he's been paying for that ever since. With Switzer (and Jimmie's team), Jerry thought he was right and he really was a football genius. His record since then has shown that he isn't as great as he thinks he is.

Although he made the right decisions to build that first powerhouse of a team, he made all the wrong decisions and destroyed it. He made a right decision to get Parcells but he screwed up by bringing in TO and losing Parcells. Parcells was taking his time and building a team that could be a perennial powerhouse. Jerry may have learned his lessons and maybe he'll be able to build something but judging from his Roy Williams trade, I doubt it. I think Jerry is his own worst enemy.

Even though Jones has had a ton more success in his football career, I prefer McNair as an owner. I think he's doing it right. He brought in football people and he trusted them. They were the wrong football people. That didn't work and he's trying it again and getting much better results. I think that a very, very good team is being built here and I think it's being built the right way.
 
HoustonFrog said:
I find this kind of thinking pathetic. You are a fan of a TEAM, their history, etc. You can't influence who owns the team or what they do but you sure can keep supporting the players. That is the constant you speak of. I grew up in Ft. Worth. Lived there 23 years before moving here. So it is types like me that feel close to their city, which is Cowboy country. Your statement about Dallas can only be explained as dumb. Been a fan of the Boys since 1975, when I remember football. Do I like all that Jerry has done...no. But just as he gets flogged for his miscues then he gets credit for his triumphs..hiring Jimmy, hiring Parcells and winning SBs but paying and keeping talent. Moves like bringing in Charles Haley, Dieon, etc. So from that standpoint is is hands down a better owner.

If you knew anything about the Jimmy/Jerry fued it is that Jerry didn't just up and fire Jimmy. Jimmy called him out on many occassions, made fun of him, taunted him. He wanted out and Jerry was tired of the talking back and forth. Jimmy admits this. It is why they are still best friends and Jimmy was his guest on opening night of the stadium. They both are to blame.

You are the worst kind. You weren't a fan to start with your attitude.

BTW, you bring up Katrina....you know Jones and his wife have been awarded some of the highest cheritable honors for their work with the Salvation Army and the Girls and Boys Club
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Celebrating the Deion signing is the perfect example of why you're a Cowboy fan and I'm not, anymore. As is typical with Cowboy fans, you don't take rejection well. Regarding your point about supporting the players: what players are contributing to the team that were their before Jerry Jones was? none! The only constant is the owner! Heck, even the city has changed. You used to play in that dump in Irving. Now, you play in Arlington. If you are like most Cowboy fans, you loved Terrell Owens and defended is honor for 3 years. As a 49er and an Eagle, you hated the man and thought him a despicable human being. I can't justify that kind of leap. And, to be a Cowboy fan, you spend most of your life having to justify all kinds of crap like that.
 
I am very sorry about my post some think and feel differently and I sit here not knowing what my hurt other posters behind my keyboard just like you. If you'd like to have my post deleted then please do so but you all have known me for a very long time and know I never mean any harm.
 
SheTexan said:
I canceled my sub to the local ragsheet several years ago because I got tired of our so callled sports writers lovefest with the Cowboys and Titans. I've never been sorry either. If the Chron wants to support the enemy FINE, I won't support the Chron. Screw them all!!! I'm ONE HAPPY TEXAN fan and I don't need the Chron to get news about my team. Let the "girl" and "meatball" fans of this city support that piece of crap newspaper. I refuse to do it.
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I read Chronicle online for local news, and read DMN for my sports, Jean-Jacques Taylor in particular. He has caught heat from some of his Cowboys comments, but my opinion is just improve, and an opinion piece will line up with my passion as a fan. If the Texans were 13-3, I would bet that Justice wouldn't be annoying.
 
dalemurphy said:
Celebrating the Deion signing is the perfect example of why you're a Cowboy fan and I'm not, anymore. As is typical with Cowboy fans, you don't take rejection well. Regarding your point about supporting the players: what players are contributing to the team that were their before Jerry Jones was? none! The only constant is the owner! Heck, even the city has changed. You used to play in that dump in Irving. Now, you play in Arlington. If you are like most Cowboy fans, you loved Terrell Owens and defended is honor for 3 years. As a 49er and an Eagle, you hated the man and thought him a despicable human being. I can't justify that kind of leap. And, to be a Cowboy fan, you spend most of your life having to justify all kinds of crap like that.
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1) What was wrong with the Dieon move? The 49ers did the same. It helped both teams. He wasn't a thug or anything. Just a world class athlete that helped teams win. I guess bringing in talent is too over the top for you.

2) There were plenty from Landry....Irvin was his choice. Though for a year. There were linemen too. You missed the point though. Why stop supporting a TEAM?You live and die by the team through thick and thin. It's the difference between a bandwagoner and a true fan.

3) Hate to tell you but MOST Cowboy fans hated TO and what he stood for. We talked about it here.

4) 35 years of fandom, nothing is ever perfect. So I don't have to justify anything. I'm not the one who jumps ship and then becomes a koolaid drinker of another team. Hope they don't do anything bad because you might be a Charger fan next.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
actually Parcells and Jones collaborated and One of the biggest draft busts in recent Cowboys history was a Parcells pick. Carpenter sucks and had no business being drafted but Bill loved Carpenter's father and had to draft him.

Jones is a good owner. Period. 3 trophies. Billion dollar stadium. Commitment to trying to win. Doesn't always work, but they are trying to win championships while people around here throw parades for 9-7.
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Hey, Carpenter has done so well of late, I was tempted to included him in my Cowboys avitars. When he recovered that fumble last week, I was up out of my seat as though he had made a touchdown. But, he did miss a tackle the week before made me scream in frustration.
 
dalemurphy said:
Celebrating the Deion signing is the perfect example of why you're a Cowboy fan and I'm not, anymore. As is typical with Cowboy fans, you don't take rejection well. Regarding your point about supporting the players: what players are contributing to the team that were their before Jerry Jones was? none! The only constant is the owner! Heck, even the city has changed. You used to play in that dump in Irving. Now, you play in Arlington. If you are like most Cowboy fans, you loved Terrell Owens and defended is honor for 3 years. As a 49er and an Eagle, you hated the man and thought him a despicable human being. I can't justify that kind of leap. And, to be a Cowboy fan, you spend most of your life having to justify all kinds of crap like that.
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I hope this isn't a serious question.
 
HoustonFrog said:
1) What was wrong with the Dieon move? The 49ers did the same. It helped both teams. He wasn't a thug or anything. Just a world class athlete that helped teams win. I guess bringing in talent is too over the top for you.

2) There were plenty from Landry....Irvin was his choice. Though for a year. There were linemen too. You missed the point though. Why stop supporting a TEAM?You live and die by the team through thick and thin. It's the difference between a bandwagoner and a true fan.

3) Hate to tell you but MOST Cowboy fans hated TO and what he stood for. We talked about it here.

4) 35 years of fandom, nothing is ever perfect. So I don't have to justify anything. I'm not the one who jumps ship and then becomes a koolaid drinker of another team. Hope they don't do anything bad because you might be a Charger fan next.
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I'm not sure why I'm a "bandwagoner" since I left a championship team and wandered in the wilderness for 7 years before becoming, and remaining, a fan of a team that just had its first winning season in 8 years.

Most Cowboy fans justified T.O. all over the place. Cowboy fans are everywhere and we all know that to be true. If you did not, then you were certainly in the minority.

If Bob McNair sells his team to someone like Jerry Jones or if McNair begins to behave and run his team like Jerry Jones, I am sure I will have difficulty continuing to root for the Texans. I hope it doesn't happen. Certainly, I would immediate discontinue my season tickets and stop buying Texan products... just like I stopped support the Astros until they changed the name of the park from Enron Field. If that sort of thinking makes me a bandwagoner, then so be it. Perhaps, though, people like you place too much importance in tradition. There are other things more important, IMO.
 
GuerillaBlack said:
I hope this isn't a serious question.
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It's central to the point. Ownership is the constant, not players. The fact that you root for Andre Johnson is secondary to your fandom of the organization headed by McNair. If AJ leaves for Indy, you will continue to root for the Texans to beat Indy, right?
 
dalemurphy said:
It's central to the point. Ownership is the constant, not players. The fact that you root for Andre Johnson is secondary to your fandom of the organization headed by McNair. If AJ leaves for Indy, you will continue to root for the Texans to beat Indy, right?
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I see what you're saying, and of course I would route for the Texans still.
 
houstonspartan said:
Second,

Isn't it funny how we season ticket holders are often the most critical of the team, and we end up being called haters? LOL. Constructive criticism is constructive criticism. The truth is the truth. I have been VERY hard on this team, mainly because I love it so much.


Jones knew that they were having trouble with their kicker towards the end of the season. He also knew they were going to be trying for the playoffs. So what did he do to the kicker that he liked and respected? He got rid of him. I'm sure it wasn't easy for him. Nick Folk was a pro-bowl kicker, and Jones probably liked the guy. But this is a business. Jones had to do what he had to do. I respect him for that.

Meanwhile, a few hours south of Big D, we have Kris Brown and Gary Kubiak. Brown has missed 11 field goals this year. That number needs to be spelled out for emphasis: E-L-E-V-E-N. He has often missed multiple field goals in one game.
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Yeah, Folk's dismissal was quiet as Rowdy's.

I am also a Texans PSL/Season Ticket holder since day-one, and for some reason always forget to check out the board to find my name etched. I thought it would be cool being fans and supporters of both Texas teams and do enjoy going to both Cowboys and Texans games. Being naturally competitive, it is disappointing that the Texans are still awaiting an appearance in the Playoffs.

Having that competitive spirit is the reason why I was very vocal in my displeasure of how Romo gave the stadium opening game away to the Giants. Losing a hard fought battle is one thing, but losing and acting as though there are more important things in life to be concerned about (Carr) is disappointing to say the least.
 
dalemurphy said:
It's central to the point. Ownership is the constant, not players. The fact that you root for Andre Johnson is secondary to your fandom of the organization headed by McNair. If AJ leaves for Indy, you will continue to root for the Texans to beat Indy, right?
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We should have you lobotomized for having that thought even enter your brain.
LOL
 
StarStruck said:
Yeah, Folk's dismissal was quiet as Rowdy's.

I am also a Texans PSL/Season Ticket holder since day-one, and for some reason always forget to check out the board to find my name etched. I thought it would be cool being fans and supporters of both Texas teams and do enjoy going to both Cowboys and Texans games. Being naturally competitive, it is disappointing that the Texans are still awaiting an appearance in the Playoffs.

Having that competitive spirit is the reason why I was very vocal in my displeasure of how Romo gave the stadium opening game away to the Giants. Losing a hard fought battle is one thing, but losing and acting as though there are more important things in life to be concerned about (Carr) is disappointing to say the least.
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I want a loan! Pretty please :)...you got some major bucks tied up there girlfriend.
 
dalemurphy said:
I'm not sure why I'm a "bandwagoner" since I left a championship team and wandered in the wilderness for 7 years before becoming, and remaining, a fan of a team that just had its first winning season in 8 years.

Most Cowboy fans justified T.O. all over the place. Cowboy fans are everywhere and we all know that to be true. If you did not, then you were certainly in the minority.

If Bob McNair sells his team to someone like Jerry Jones or if McNair begins to behave and run his team like Jerry Jones, I am sure I will have difficulty continuing to root for the Texans. I hope it doesn't happen. Certainly, I would immediate discontinue my season tickets and stop buying Texan products... just like I stopped support the Astros until they changed the name of the park from Enron Field. If that sort of thinking makes me a bandwagoner, then so be it. Perhaps, though, people like you place too much importance in tradition. There are other things more important, IMO.
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I always look at bandwagon as not just cheering on good teams but in jumping ship at the first sign of something bad.

The funny part is that probably the 1st or 2nd critique of a Cowboy fan is he is a bandwagon fan and that alot of fans joined in the 90s. While I completely disagree because there have been fans everywhere since I was a kid, it is funny that you are arguing that if I was a real fan I would have done the opposite....leave my fandom for another team. Sorry, can't do that. Again, the Cowboys are the team I love. There is crap to put up with but EVERY team has owners that they have to deal with. In fact there are many owners who don't care a bit about winning and fans still come. So I have no problem with Jerry in the grand scheme since he cares more than most owners and despite his flaws, wants to win. Were the Tank, PacMan, TO moves flawed? Yeah but he moved on.

BTW, Clint Murchinson and Bum Bright weren't very well liked by alot of people. Bum wanted Landry gone years before and almost fired him pre-3-13. Yet you had no problems then...probably because as a kid and later, ownership didn't matter as much as the team and coach....
 
HoustonFrog said:
LOL..me too. Your name and avatar don't seem too closet to me..lol
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LOL. Last night I was wearing a Cowboy's hoodie, and a man made the remark that Cowboys fans are coming out of the woodwork since they made the playoffs. I smiled, but thought most of my casual attire is made up of either a Cowboys jersey, t-shirt or hoodie.
 
What a thread this has turned out to be again, I am deeply sorry and hope it is excepted.
 
Thanks, I really felt bad wether you all think so or not I know I am sorry and that is all that counts.
 
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