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Kubiak: Keep or Fire?

Should Kubiak get one more year?

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HoustonFrog said:
I'm so tired of hearing this b.s. So the players have loved playing for Kubiak for 4 years and what has that gotten them? They don't seem to step up for a coach they like. You don't coach to have buddies. You coach to get respect and win. Players cussed Jimmy Johnson. Did you hear the stories about him on planes after wins?He would tear apart guys who fumbled and who made dumb mistakes. He didn't care about them liking him, just getting them in position to win. They didn't want to lose their jobs so they played hard. It doesn't take having a BFF at coach to win. See Landry, see Knoll, see Coughlin, see Belichick, etc, etc.
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But dont you think it helps!
 
BIG TORO said:
But dont you think it helps!
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No, I think being a good coach helps and getting your team prepared to play for a full game. Making adjustments help. Having the right personnel in certain sitautions helps. Players liking a coach is nothing. Tom Coughlin almost got fired mid-season because his players thought he was an a-hole and too tough. They then won the SB. Bill Bilicheck isn't warm and fuzzy. The most successful ones are ones like Parcells. Guys that you are afraid to mess up under because you want their approval and you want to work hard to show them what you have. They know/knew how to press buttons. They also have players that would knock down a wall for them because he treats them like men, not kids or best friends. They may think Gary is a great guy but there is no accountability.
 
HoustonFrog said:
No, I think being a good coach helps and getting your team prepared to play for a full game. Making adjustments help. Having the right personnel in certain sitautions helps. Players liking a coach is nothing. Tom Coughlin almost got fired mid-season because his players thought he was an a-hole and too tough. They then won the SB. Bill Bilicheck isn't warm and fuzzy. The most successful ones are ones like Parcells. Guys that you are afraid to mess up under because you want their approval and you want to work hard to show them what you have. They know/knew how to press buttons. They also have players that would knock down a wall for them because he treats them like men, not kids or best friends. They may think Gary is a great guy but there is no accountability.
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Who's to say the next coach will be this guy?

Let's all agree to disagree.

The pink soapers are not going to convince the one-more-yearers and the one-more yearers are not going to convince the pink soapers. It seems that people are getting angry that the other side does not agree with them.

None of us have any control over who the coach is of the Texans or who will be the coach of the Texans next year. None of us know what kind of coach a new coach will be. They could hire a new coach that is worst than Kubiak but we won't know that till after it is done. They could also hire a coach that is fantastic and takes us to the SB. Kubiak might be the coach next year that takes us to the playoffs and SB. No one know right now what will happen next year and getting angry with those that do not agree with your point of view only creates hard feeling among us fans here.

Let's all take a chill and a deep breath and remember that not every one has the same point of view and that's ok. It would be pretty boring if everyone though exactly the same.

Sooner or later one side of this debate will be proven right.
 
A lot of people fail to see the bigger picture.

We get a win over a lousy team, and suddenly things look a lot better to people.

But the proof is in the pudding: When Kubiak faces a divisional rival, he is getting out-coached by a mile. This division's coaches have been onto Kubiak over the past 3 years, meaning he hasn't evolved as a coach.

I guess one day we're all going to wake up and this team will have magically found a way to radically reverse it's consistently charted course it's on?

The first two years, everyone wonders if a pattern continues (Could it be, we ask ourselves, that the players just are not comfortable in the system yet?).

After another two years, when the pattern continues in the same freaking fashion as the previous two years, most people reach a point where they have to confront the possibility that the coach is/isn't doing some things that is holding the team back.

At this point, as it was with the David Carr extended season (about half-way through that season), it is purely delusional for anyone to try and convince themselves that this ship's captain is going to alter his pattern.

He's trying to save his job, rather than having the mentality of a coach who is hell-bent on winning a title. That's two VERRRRY different mindsets. One mindset says "I'm going to dismantle my opponent. They won't know what hit them." The other mindset says "We're going to do what we do. And take as little chances as possible."

It's depressing to sit here and be able to remember the David Carr extended season, yet so many people don't see the direct correlation to the head coach situation we have right now.
 
Grams said:
Who's to say the next coach will be this guy?

Let's all agree to disagree.

The pink soapers are not going to convince the one-more-yearers and the one-more yearers are not going to convince the pink soapers. It seems that people are getting angry that the other side does not agree with them.

None of us have any control over who the coach is of the Texans or who will be the coach of the Texans next year. None of us know what kind of coach a new coach will be. They could hire a new coach that is worst than Kubiak but we won't know that till after it is done. They could also hire a coach that is fantastic and takes us to the SB. Kubiak might be the coach next year that takes us to the playoffs and SB. No one know right now what will happen next year and getting angry with those that do not agree with your point of view only creates hard feeling among us fans here.

Let's all take a chill and a deep breath and remember that not every one has the same point of view and that's ok. It would be pretty boring if everyone though exactly the same.

Sooner or later one side of this debate will be proven right.
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I'm not angry. It is just a FACT that coaches don't have to be liked to do well. It isn't a real argument. That is all. I know everyone is set in their corners. I just think this argument has no legs.
 
GP said:
A lot of people fail to see the bigger picture.

We get a win over a lousy team, and suddenly things look a lot better to people.

But the proof is in the pudding: When Kubiak faces a divisional rival, he is getting out-coached by a mile. This division's coaches have been onto Kubiak over the past 3 years, meaning he hasn't evolved as a coach.

I guess one day we're all going to wake up and this team will have magically found a way to radically reverse it's consistently charted course it's on?

The first two years, everyone wonders if a pattern continues (Could it be, we ask ourselves, that the players just are not comfortable in the system yet?).

After another two years, when the pattern continues in the same freaking fashion as the previous two years, most people reach a point where they have to confront the possibility that the coach is/isn't doing some things that is holding the team back.

At this point, as it was with the David Carr extended season (about half-way through that season), it is purely delusional for anyone to try and convince themselves that this ship's captain is going to alter his pattern.

He's trying to save his job, rather than having the mentality of a coach who is hell-bent on winning a title. That's two VERRRRY different mindsets. One mindset says "I'm going to dismantle my opponent. They won't know what hit them." The other mindset says "We're going to do what we do. And take as little chances as possible."

It's depressing to sit here and be able to remember the David Carr extended season, yet so many people don't see the direct correlation to the head coach situation we have right now.
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Thus my Carr/Kubes thread. It is a nice correlation GP. I agree completely.
 
The biggest smoke-and-mirror job is that Gary Kubiak has convinced Bob McNair that the Texans exist in a vacuum.

Gary designs his offense to use scripted plays and follow the course no matter what the opposing defense is doing to counter it. It's why he doesn't allow his QBs to audible: Because the QB will call the play, and the play will work (that's the height of arrogance, IMO).

In Kubiak's world, the Texans are playing golf. In golf, you're really playing the course and not your opponent. If you can stay disciplined, and focus on what YOU can do, then things will line up very well.

Gary Kubiak does not measure his team in relation to what is going on with other teams. I don't even think he measures his team based on its record, to be honest. I think he has an image in his mind of what this team should look like, and that he is just building his team until it can run plays perfectly like a robot.

So, Bob McNair might be buying into this whole idea that nothing around us matters. The Texans have constructed their own universe in which they exist, and so the big question for Kubiak and McNair is this: Did we improve, overall, and are moving towards what we envisioned we would look like.

And the problem with that is this: That sort of outlook is very subjective, and a very persuasive coach can paint a very beautiful scene that really doesn't exist.

This owner, and this coach, IMO, is a match made in heaven for one another.
 
HoustonFrog said:
I'm not angry. It is just a FACT that coaches don't have to be liked to do well. It isn't a real argument. That is all. I know everyone is set in their corners. I just think this argument has no legs.
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I agree coaches do not have to be well liked. Some very successful ones were not "Mr. Personallity".
 
HoustonFrog said:
I'm so tired of hearing this b.s. So the players have loved playing for Kubiak for 4 years and what has that gotten them? They don't seem to step up for a coach they like. You don't coach to have buddies. You coach to get respect and win. Players cussed Jimmy Johnson. Did you hear the stories about him on planes after wins?He would tear apart guys who fumbled and who made dumb mistakes. He didn't care about them liking him, just getting them in position to win. They didn't want to lose their jobs so they played hard. It doesn't take having a BFF at coach to win. See Landry, see Knoll, see Coughlin, see Belichick, etc, etc.
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Frog, I just finished reading "Boys will be boys." It's an outstanding sports book about the Cowboys dynasty of the 90s and how it fell apart. Those airplane scenes with Jimmy Johnson were in the book, and I was astonished at how he talked to players.

Jimmy did not play around. He yelled at one player for falling asleep in a meeting, even though the player fell asleep because he had a new baby and he and his wife were up all night trying to get the baby to fall asleep. Jimmy didn't care.

I can tell you right now, Jimmy would have cut Jacoby, Dunta for his pay me shenanagins, Kris Brown, Chris Brown and probably Studdard.
 
houstonspartan said:
Frog, I just finished reading "Boys will be boys." It's an outstanding sports book about the Cowboys dynasty of the 90s and how it fell apart. Those airplane scenes with Jimmy Johnson were in the book, and I was astonished at how he talked to players.

Jimmy did not play around. He yelled at one player for falling asleep in a meeting, even though the player fell asleep because he had a new baby and he and his wife were up all night trying to get the baby to fall asleep. Jimmy didn't care.

I can tell you right now, Jimmy would have cut Jacoby, Dunta for his pay me shenanagins, Kris Brown, Chris Brown and probably Studdard.
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Why Studdard? What did he do?
 
houstonspartan said:
Frog, I just finished reading "Boys will be boys." It's an outstanding sports book about the Cowboys dynasty of the 90s and how it fell apart. Those airplane scenes with Jimmy Johnson were in the book, and I was astonished at how he talked to players.

Jimmy did not play around. He yelled at one player for falling asleep in a meeting, even though the player fell asleep because he had a new baby and he and his wife were up all night trying to get the baby to fall asleep. Jimmy didn't care.

I can tell you right now, Jimmy would have cut Jacoby, Dunta for his pay me shenanagins, Kris Brown, Chris Brown and probably Studdard.
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Yeah I had read some of it. He would drink his Heinekins on the plane and then rip players for laughing after losses....or wins, depending on how they played. In the one SB year he cut Emmitts back-up. Curvin Richards for fumbling in a meaningless Game 16.

The bolded above is so true and one I've talked about. Not many top coaches would have players willing to write on their shoes and feel safe.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
why is it that the Kubiak supporters on this board all have the relative intellgence of a lump of coal? coincidence?

me thinks not

of course the players support Kubiak. he runs a Club Med operation and takes all the blame. they know that if another coach comes in here its gonna get a lot tougher....and you know what? It NEEDS to get a lot tougher. Kubiak is just a big softie aww shucks good ole boy loser who is, by definition, a 4 year proven loser. He IS a loser. You can not argue that. Its a fact.

Look at what happens when the guy actually tries to coach and calls out players weak effort (Mario comes to mind). The team goes out and plays well. You don't wait till the season is over to get in players faces and to get them to play up to their talent level. You do that Weeks 1-17 and into the playoffs. We cant have a coach that doesn't start coaching and doing his job until the season is over and there is nothing to play for.
Oh and excuse me if I don't start doing backflips over the Seattle win. They have been blown out on multiple occassions this year and are pretty much the Texans of the NFC. In other words, pillowy soft losers. Well I guess we should have a freaking parade because of the win. After all, its gotten us almost to the holy grail of Kubiak football. 8-8.
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You are correct. Mario stated that Kubiak sat him down earlier in the week and told him point blank that he was going to have to play better.

Guess what happened? Two sacks for Mario.

Case closed.
 
Funny, this column says some things about coaches, including Kubes...the thing on Zorn could be wriiten for Kubes and it would make no difference

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12665936/coaching-diagnoses-survival-chances-of-eight-on-edge

Redskins have come to life -- looking the last four weeks like the team we thought they could be. They should've beaten Dallas. They should've beaten Philadelphia. They should've beaten New Orleans. But they didn't, and that's why the countdown has begun on Jim Zorn. Bad teams find ways to lose, and the Redskins blew fourth-quarter leads in all three of those games.

But give the guy this: He has his club playing hard, with Washington now a difficult out on anybody's schedule. I feel for Zorn. Good quarterback. Good man. Good assistant coach. Not so good head coach
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Gary Kubiak, Houston: The Texans were supposed to be a playoff team, and they sure looked like one when they destroyed Seattle last Sunday. Only it might have been one week too late. Remember when they played Jacksonville Dec. 6? And remember what owner Bob McNair said before that game? I do. He said he considered it a "must-win" if the Texans were going to make the playoffs. He also said he "wanted to have a winning team" while pledging allegiance to Kubiak. Great. Only Houston lost the "must-win" game, and the Texans are within a loss of another non-winning season -- which would make it four straight for Kubiak.

I know they've had close calls, but they had undefeated Indianapolis down 17-0 and blew it ... at home, no less. Personally, I think that finished Kubiak. Of course, then they lost to Jacksonville, and dropping four straight within your division (they lost to Tennessee and Indianapolis earlier) is not how you restore the faith of your employer. McNair is a fair man, and Kubiak has had a fair chance. But if he can't get the Texans winning after four years, why should McNair -- or any Texans fan -- believe it can ever happen
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Guess he hasn't met half the Texans fans here
 
I tell you what if your panties get ruffled cause you dropped your pink soap or cause you want to drop your pink soap I cannot help you get a therapist. You carry the "pink" soap so to me it looks a little odd thats all. I would be carrying Black Soap if I was to carry a Soap bar but now I am satisfied with what Gary Kubiak has done and look foreward to the improvements he will add next year. There is not one tear from your fire Gary cry fest that would even attempt to change my views. So if you need a tissue or maybe some KY jelly (pink soap) then head to Walgreens. I will stay a Texan Fan and enjoy this season as I have done each and every season since 2002.

As far as you (pink Soap) ladies getting all bloated cause of what I said, Take a breath and see that I am only giving you my side of the argument. It is not a hair pulling eye scratching fight like I am sure yall want but it is funny to see how I am the mindless child while I am forced to read Daddies BS.
 
Thorn said:
Kubes has gained the lead back, he's now ahead 70-65! LOL
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Its amazing what a win against a really bad team will do for this fanbase.

BIG TORO said:
There are still more people supporting Kubiak than not, thats including the players, you do not want the players playing for a coach that they dont like. you guys talk about patience, you better have patience if we get a new coach cuz its going to be another few years to make some of you guys happy!
P.S. I voted YES!
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I dont think so. A good coach should be able to come in here and have this team winning right away. There are many example of less talented teams performing better than we are with a first year head coach.
 
Joe Texan said:
I tell you what if your panties get ruffled cause you dropped your pink soap or cause you want to drop your pink soap I cannot help you get a therapist. You carry the "pink" soap so to me it looks a little odd thats all. I would be carrying Black Soap if I was to carry a Soap bar but now I am satisfied with what Gary Kubiak has done and look foreward to the improvements he will add next year. There is not one tear from your fire Gary cry fest that would even attempt to change my views. So if you need a tissue or maybe some KY jelly (pink soap) then head to Walgreens. I will stay a Texan Fan and enjoy this season as I have done each and every season since 2002.

As far as you (pink Soap) ladies getting all bloated cause of what I said, Take a breath and see that I am only giving you my side of the argument. It is not a hair pulling eye scratching fight like I am sure yall want but it is funny to see how I am the mindless child while I am forced to read Daddies BS.
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Trust me Pom Poms after seeing your avatar I wouldnt drop any soap around you!
 
BIG TORO said:
you guys talk about patience, you better have patience if we get a new coach cuz its going to be another few years to make some of you guys happy!

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I am really sick of hearing this line of BS. It's going to take another few years if you hire a new HC. It's like some of the people that post on here and say stuff like this haven't ever watched the NFL before. There have been so many teams that got turned around within one year of a new HC being there even when their entire systems have changed. It happens all of the time, but some of you hold onto this ridiculous fear factor that a new HC means 3 years of rebuilding and restructuring an entire franchise and simply expect this disaster scenario without one valid reason for that.
 
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Grams said:
Who's to say the next coach will be this guy?

Let's all agree to disagree.

The pink soapers are not going to convince the one-more-yearers and the one-more yearers are not going to convince the pink soapers. It seems that people are getting angry that the other side does not agree with them.

None of us have any control over who the coach is of the Texans or who will be the coach of the Texans next year. None of us know what kind of coach a new coach will be. They could hire a new coach that is worst than Kubiak but we won't know that till after it is done. They could also hire a coach that is fantastic and takes us to the SB. Kubiak might be the coach next year that takes us to the playoffs and SB. No one know right now what will happen next year and getting angry with those that do not agree with your point of view only creates hard feeling among us fans here.

Let's all take a chill and a deep breath and remember that not every one has the same point of view and that's ok. It would be pretty boring if everyone though exactly the same.

Sooner or later one side of this debate will be proven right.
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Texecutioner said:
That is what people like you don't get. You've already been proven WRONG.
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I have read this thread with increasing disgust. I came across Grams post and thought that she was the only one saying what I was thinking.

Why would you pick out this one line and dump on her?

I prefer to pick out the bolded part and applaud her.
 
Joe Texan said:
I tell you what if your panties get ruffled cause you dropped your pink soap or cause you want to drop your pink soap I cannot help you get a therapist. You carry the "pink" soap so to me it looks a little odd thats all. I would be carrying Black Soap if I was to carry a Soap bar but now I am satisfied with what Gary Kubiak has done and look foreward to the improvements he will add next year. There is not one tear from your fire Gary cry fest that would even attempt to change my views. So if you need a tissue or maybe some KY jelly (pink soap) then head to Walgreens. I will stay a Texan Fan and enjoy this season as I have done each and every season since 2002.

As far as you (pink Soap) ladies getting all bloated cause of what I said, Take a breath and see that I am only giving you my side of the argument. It is not a hair pulling eye scratching fight like I am sure yall want but it is funny to see how I am the mindless child while I am forced to read Daddies BS.
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Eh Walgreens is too expensive and crowded this time of year. I do have a CVS card so think I'll head there.
 
Texecutioner said:
I am really sick of hearing this line of BS. It's going to take another few years if you hire a new HC. It's like some of the people that post on here and say stuff like this haven't ever watched the NFL before. There have been so many teams that got turned around within one year of a new HC being there even when their entire systems have changed. It happens all of the time, but some of you hold onto this ridiculous fear factor that a new HC means 3 years of rebuilding and restructuring an entire franchise and simply expect this disaster scenario without one valid reason for that.
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Yep. It's sad. The fear of unknown has people terrified. It's going to cripple this franchise if we let it.

Also, people forget that Gary Kubiak has never won "the big game."

EVER.
 
Joe Texan said:
I tell you what if your panties get ruffled cause you dropped your pink soap or cause you want to drop your pink soap I cannot help you get a therapist. You carry the "pink" soap so to me it looks a little odd thats all. I would be carrying Black Soap if I was to carry a Soap bar but now I am satisfied with what Gary Kubiak has done and look foreward to the improvements he will add next year. There is not one tear from your fire Gary cry fest that would even attempt to change my views. So if you need a tissue or maybe some KY jelly (pink soap) then head to Walgreens. I will stay a Texan Fan and enjoy this season as I have done each and every season since 2002.

As far as you (pink Soap) ladies getting all bloated cause of what I said, Take a breath and see that I am only giving you my side of the argument. It is not a hair pulling eye scratching fight like I am sure yall want but it is funny to see how I am the mindless child while I am forced to read Daddies BS.
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Leave it to Troll Texan to really class up the joint.....
 
Joe Texan said:
I tell you what if your panties get ruffled cause you dropped your pink soap or cause you want to drop your pink soap I cannot help you get a therapist. You carry the "pink" soap so to me it looks a little odd thats all. I would be carrying Black Soap if I was to carry a Soap bar but now I am satisfied with what Gary Kubiak has done and look foreward to the improvements he will add next year. There is not one tear from your fire Gary cry fest that would even attempt to change my views. So if you need a tissue or maybe some KY jelly (pink soap) then head to Walgreens. I will stay a Texan Fan and enjoy this season as I have done each and every season since 2002.

As far as you (pink Soap) ladies getting all bloated cause of what I said, Take a breath and see that I am only giving you my side of the argument. It is not a hair pulling eye scratching fight like I am sure yall want but it is funny to see how I am the mindless child while I am forced to read Daddies BS.
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Can I get a Joe Texan to English translator please? Classy
 
Joe Texan said:
I tell you what if your panties get ruffled cause you dropped your pink soap or cause you want to drop your pink soap I cannot help you get a therapist. You carry the "pink" soap so to me it looks a little odd thats all. I would be carrying Black Soap if I was to carry a Soap bar but now I am satisfied with what Gary Kubiak has done and look foreward to the improvements he will add next year. There is not one tear from your fire Gary cry fest that would even attempt to change my views. So if you need a tissue or maybe some KY jelly (pink soap) then head to Walgreens. I will stay a Texan Fan and enjoy this season as I have done each and every season since 2002.

As far as you (pink Soap) ladies getting all bloated cause of what I said, Take a breath and see that I am only giving you my side of the argument. It is not a hair pulling eye scratching fight like I am sure yall want but it is funny to see how I am the mindless child while I am forced to read Daddies BS.
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Yes, we all can't wait to see what grand things Kubiak has planned for us.

I'm sure it will be radically different than the previous 4 seasons.

Players will still be called out for not executing the brilliant gameplan of Lord Kubiak.

Kubiak will deflect blame in his press conferences, looking like such a great gentleman for assuming the proper position after somehow not sealing a game he should have won.

There will be "Win one for the Gipper!" speeches every few games.

I just can't wait until kickoff 2010. How will I sleep until then?
 
I think the unspoken issue in this debate is Gary's personality. The people who want him back love his personality, and assume that the people who do not want him back hate him personally. That's not true at all. Gary is a great guy. I would trust him with the keys to my house and my ATM pin number.

I love Kubes.

But not as my Head Football Coach.

It's like how you treat anyone else in your life. You trust certain people with certain things more so than others. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses. I would give Kubes my ATM Pin number (and, seriously, I would) but wouldn't give them to a shady cousin I have. My cousin is great in other ways, not so great in others.

Get it? No one is knocking kubiak. We are simply saying his Head Coaching abilities are limited.
 
HoustonFrog said:
Can I get a Joe Texan to English translator please? Classy
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I tell you what if your panties get ruffled (If you are mad) cause you dropped your pink soap (we are gay for saying Kubiak should be fired) or cause you want to drop your pink soap (because you're still gay, after all) I cannot help you get a therapist (1 bottle of whiskey). You carry the "pink" soap (you be a gay boy! LOL! Gay, gay, gay!) so to me it looks a little odd thats all. I would be carrying Black Soap (because I am not gay, though I mention it all...which seems weird) if I was to carry a Soap bar but now I am satisfied with what Gary Kubiak has done and look foreward (the ward that's in front) to the improvements he will add next year. There is not one tear from your fire Gary cry fest (I wanted to say "Gay Fest" but it would look like I might be gay myself) that would even attempt to change my views. So if you need a tissue or maybe some KY jelly (pink soap) (Anal sex) then head to Walgreens. I will stay a Texan Fan and enjoy this season as I have done each and every season since 2002 (because I am a real fan, and you guys are not).

As far as you (pink Soap) ladies (Ok, now we're not gay men. We've been elevated to being called 'ladies'...) getting all bloated cause of what I said, Take a breath and see that I am only giving you my side of the argument. It is not a hair pulling eye scratching fight (like one of Joe's family reunions) like I am sure yall want but it is funny to see how I am the mindless child (reverse psychology attempt) while I am forced to read Daddies BS (I got nothin' for this one).

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I think I will begin typing my posts in pink now.
 
infantrycak said:
Huh? - dude is sporting three Super Bowl Rings - one as QB coach and two as OC.
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Correction: He has never won "the big game" as a head coach.

And when I say "the big game" I don't mean the Super Bowl. I mean the important, must win games that every team has every single season.

When you learn in the Spring that you have a Monday Night game, at home, against your biggest rivals, that qualifies as "the big game." When you want revenge against a team that beat you only a few weeks before, that qualifies as "the big game."
 
houstonspartan said:
I think the unspoken issue in this debate is Gary's personality. The people who want him back love his personality, and assume that the people who do not want him back hate him personally. That's not true at all. Gary is a great guy. I would trust him with the keys to my house and my ATM pin number.

I love Kubes.

But not as my Head Football Coach.

It's like how you treat anyone else in your life. You trust certain people with certain things more so than others. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses. I would give Kubes my ATM Pin number (and, seriously, I would) but wouldn't give them to a shady cousin I have. My cousin is great in other ways, not so great in others.

Get it? No one is knocking kubiak. We are simply saying his Head Coaching abilities are limited.
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I think a lot of it is due to how the offense has improved from when it was Dom Capers' team.

People are afraid that things might get worse if we quit on Gary now.

It's understandable. I was at that point this summer, but this season has been a revealing season for me. I think Kyle can remain as OC, Bush as DC, and just get a good HEAD COACH who knows how to scheme and strategize against every opponent on the schedule.

It's not as risky as it sounds (to replace the HC).
 
GP said:
I think a lot of it is due to how the offense has improved from when it was Dom Capers' team.

People are afraid that things might get worse if we quit on Gary now.

It's understandable. I was at that point this summer, but this season has been a revealing season for me. I think Kyle can remain as OC, Bush as DC, and just get a good HEAD COACH who knows how to scheme and strategize against every opponent on the schedule.

It's not as risky as it sounds (to replace the HC).
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Bringing in a new HC but keeping your OC and DC is something that would have to be negotiated up front with your propective HC. About the only way I see for that to happen is to hire another HC who would be another newbie HC and I don't want that. I would rather have Kubiak back next year than hire another inexperienced HC.
 
GP said:
I tell you what if your panties get ruffled (If you are mad) cause you dropped your pink soap (we are gay for saying Kubiak should be fired) or cause you want to drop your pink soap (because you're still gay, after all) I cannot help you get a therapist (1 bottle of whiskey). You carry the "pink" soap (you be a gay boy! LOL! Gay, gay, gay!) so to me it looks a little odd thats all. I would be carrying Black Soap (because I am not gay, though I mention it all...which seems weird) if I was to carry a Soap bar but now I am satisfied with what Gary Kubiak has done and look foreward (the ward that's in front) to the improvements he will add next year. There is not one tear from your fire Gary cry fest (I wanted to say "Gay Fest" but it would look like I might be gay myself) that would even attempt to change my views. So if you need a tissue or maybe some KY jelly (pink soap) (Anal sex) then head to Walgreens. I will stay a Texan Fan and enjoy this season as I have done each and every season since 2002 (because I am a real fan, and you guys are not).

As far as you (pink Soap) ladies (Ok, now we're not gay men. We've been elevated to being called 'ladies'...) getting all bloated cause of what I said, Take a breath and see that I am only giving you my side of the argument. It is not a hair pulling eye scratching fight (like one of Joe's family reunions) like I am sure yall want but it is funny to see how I am the mindless child (reverse psychology attempt) while I am forced to read Daddies BS (I got nothin' for this one).

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I think I will begin typing my posts in pink now.
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LOL..repped. Thanks
 
houstonspartan said:
Correction: He has never won "the big game" as a head coach.

And when I say "the big game" I don't mean the Super Bowl. I mean the important, must win games that every team has every single season.

When you learn in the Spring that you have a Monday Night game, at home, against your biggest rivals, that qualifies as "the big game." When you want revenge against a team that beat you only a few weeks before, that qualifies as "the big game."
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Well that was the huh part, trying to understand what you meant by big game.

I think beating the Titans was a big game as well as Cinncy, but anyway.
 
GlassHalfFull said:
I have read this thread with increasing disgust. I came across Grams post and thought that she was the only one saying what I was thinking.

Why would you pick out this one line and dump on her?

I prefer to pick out the bolded part and applaud her.
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I don't see how I dumped on he/her at all. I simply responded to the statement that was made at the end because I thought it was an incorrect one that and that 4 years of going nowhere had already proven what Gary Kubiak was or wasn't. I listened to all of this same stuff last year. The same exact words from several people and it's the same ole same ole all over again after the same tired mistakes from the coaching staff. It wasn't some attack or some "dump" on the poster. If you call that "dumping" on a poster, than I must be getting dumped on in here every day when people disagree with me and quote my posts or statements, but I don't see that as the case.
 
Thorn said:
Bringing in a new HC but keeping your OC and DC is something that would have to be negotiated up front with your propective HC. About the only way I see for that to happen is to hire another HC who would be another newbie HC and I don't want that. I would rather have Kubiak back next year than hire another inexperienced HC.
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Gruden kept Monty Kiffin when he came on in TB and it worked for that time. You can keep certain plusses and still upgrade if a new HC wanted to.
 
GlassHalfFull said:
I have read this thread with increasing disgust. I came across Grams post and thought that she was the only one saying what I was thinking.

Why would you pick out this one line and dump on her?

I prefer to pick out the bolded part and applaud her.
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I've been disgusted with this forum (or at least a few posters) for a while now. Some of them are incapable of holding a discussion without dumping on someone who may disagree with them. I guess they think it helps get their points across. idonno:
 
GP said:
I think a lot of it is due to how the offense has improved from when it was Dom Capers' team.

People are afraid that things might get worse if we quit on Gary now.

It's understandable. I was at that point this summer, but this season has been a revealing season for me. I think Kyle can remain as OC, Bush as DC, and just get a good HEAD COACH who knows how to scheme and strategize against every opponent on the schedule.

It's not as risky as it sounds (to replace the HC).
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I disagree about retaining Bush and Kyle. I don't think it'd work for many experienced HC. Then you have the job looking like offers from Dallas and the Raiders. I think Bush has done a decent job, but Kyle hasn't done anything to impress me that he should be an OC in this league yet.

I don't know if he's play calling or Kubiak, but either way things like picking HB throws(by Chris Brown) when you need to score doesn't strike me as something most OC would call for.

I think its also a fallacy of logic to believe that getting a new HC(especially a rookie one) means we'll have to have rookie coordinators as well.
 
infantrycak said:
Well that was the huh part, trying to understand what you meant by big game.

I think beating the Titans was a big game as well as Cinncy, but anyway.
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Well, "big game" usually means some kind of high expectations beforehand. I'm not discounting the first Titan win, but I wouldn't call it a "big game." I would call it a great win that showed we had a least some energy. But let's be honest: Not many of us expected to win that game. Or at the very least we expected it to be a struggle.

The Cincy game was not a "big game." Yes, we point back to it now as the game that showed we can put together a full game of ball, but that was about it.

As I said, the second Tennesse, and both Indy games were "big games."
 
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I thought it was interesting who the top posters in this thread were. Some people have demonstrated an inability to allow others to have a difference of opinion, thoughts of their own, and insist on having the last word.
 
GlassHalfFull said:
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I thought it was interesting who the top posters in this thread were. Some people have demonstrated an inability to allow others to have a difference of opinion, thoughts of their own, and insist on having the last word.
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I think that is an extremely unfair assessment. Part of debating an issue is point/counter-point. I think, besides defending myself against one attack, I've done nothing but add new material to chew on, etc. Just like the Carr debate there is going to be an even split. I realize minds won't be changed but if I feel there are point to be made or an article to share, I will. Again, a completely unfair assessment, especially considering this is the most I've posted in this forum in a bit. Again, besides one guy who attacked, my comments have stuck with the issue, not personal attacks. I'd rather debate with 20 posts than have 4 posts that tell people to shove pink soap in their orifices(orifi?).
 
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Texecutioner said:
That is what people like you don't get. You've already been proven WRONG.
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What? Proven wrong about what? I took no sides in that post. Neither for one side or another. Just too many posters are getting upset or angry that not everyone agrees with them.

Too many posters are starting to take this personal it seems.
 
Grams said:
What? Proven wrong about what? I took no sides in that post. Neither for one side or another. Just too many posters are getting upset or angry that not everyone agrees with them.
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I disagreed with Glass about "dumping" on you. I did however, go back and reread your post and realized that after everything you wrote that you weren't saying exactly what I got out of it at first and I probably skimmed through a few posts real quickly and got a little confused with what your entire message was, and my statement towards what you had said wasn't exactly warranted and for that I apologize for that mistake I made. After reading it again in it's entirety, you made a nice post.

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Too many posters are starting to take this personal it seems.
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That seems to happen sometimes in here. I'm not taking any disagreements personally unless someone makes it obvious that way, so I hope that you don't take anything I say personally in the future. Sometimes it's hard to distinguish stuff like that online though as oppose to talking to someone face to face where you can be disagreeing and even arguing but it's still very civil and healthy conversation. Sorry for the confusion on my part earlier though.
 
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