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Owen Daniels - What's he worth? - Gets Highest RFA Tender
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Polo
Guest
If the Bills decide to give up a 1st and a 3rd I will be extrememly confused and excited about their decision.
TimeKiller
Guest
Who would you get at 12 and 15?
I'd try my best to make Orakpo/Maualuga happen. Reality is we'd be lucky to get ONE of those guys at 12. Orakpo/Davis maybe? Maualuga/Cushing and then use the extra 4th, a 2nd to get up in the 2nd enough to get Matthews for a USC LB house cleaning and tell Demeco to can it because his ass just got moved to Safety.
DiehardChris
You betcha!
I'd probably go Orakpo at 11, and I'd be very tempted to reach for Sintim at 15.
Or - if Raji slips out of the top ten, I'd take him at 11 since Denver would grab him at 12, then at 15 probably still consider reaching for Sintim. With two first round draft picks, I'd feel a lot less strange about reaching with one of them.
Still, this is fantasy. The Bills aren't going to give that much up for a TE. I don't think any team would EVER give up that much for a TE even if it was a young Tony Gonzalez.
DiehardChris
You betcha!
Well, we're just about an hour past the deadline for the RFA tenders - still no word on any other RFAs besides Owen getting an tender offer?
P
Polo
Guest
Honestly I don't know what I'd do...
Packaging the one and the three to move up for Orakpo and then taking best LB available at 15 would be nice.
Goatcheese
Texan
Rumor has them thinking Pettigrew at 11. I'd much rather have OD.
I don't think the Texans would go for it, but the teams can settle on compensation less than the requirement. I'd rather just keep our Stud TE, who is getting better every season, and could be years away from reaching his max potential.
DiehardChris
You betcha!
If the Buffalo Bills - with HUGE pass rush problems - worse than the Texans - draft a freaking tight end at #11 overall in the draft - someone will eat someone else's hat. That would be the dumbest thing ever.
I actually had the Bills in the Texans Talk mock draft, so I've researched them pretty well... they have a need at TE, but it's not anywhere near as important as their need for a pass rusher. They can get TEs Jared Cook in the 2nd or James Casey in the 2nd or 3rd.
But hey, rumors are rumors. If they're stupid enough to give up two high picks for a TE, I'll hate to see Owen go - but I can't say I'd be very angry about it. It's a win-win for the Texans.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
You guys in Houston, are you hearing anything on the radio. I probably shouldn't be so nervous about it, but nothing is being reported.
Rashod Butler
Joel Dressens
David Anderson
Earl Cochran...
I really like Cochran but am very concerned they let him walk based on the last thing I heard from Kubiak about his propensity for injuries.
I am listen to one station online and nothing. One of the things that has constantly been minor irratation to me is the slowness which the Texans announce these type of deals.
DiehardChris
You betcha!
I'm not the biggest Anderson fan. I don't think he'd be a great loss. I share your concern about Cochran. Kubiak expressed doubt that Salaam would be back - he's gone. He expressed doubt about Cochran, so it wouldn't surprise me if he was not tendered.
But uh - with Salaam gone, I'd be SHOCKED if we don't tender Butler. If we don't, then my current seven-round Texans mock is wrecked. LOL.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
I'm not a big fan of DAnderson either, but if we're moving JJ, then that would leave us a lot of work to do at WR. And, Anderson certainly can fill the role of a 4th WR, special teams guy and he's pretty dirt cheap going forward. So, I'd like to see him tendered.
Jackie Chiles
Veteran
Was this recently reported or was this before we found out what Owen was tendered?
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Here's a little list of rumblings/coincidences that would lead one to believe a trade with Buffalo could happen:
1. McClain's comment last week about the "little birdie"
2. We haven't talked to OD about an extension but max tendered him
3. The only '09 FA or RFA we've signed to a deal so far is Dressen (3yrs)
4. Robert Royal's release
5. an article about Buffalo's need/pursuit of a TE through "any means"
My guess is that there will be/has been some discussions but in the end, the teams won't agree on compensation. and Buffalo won't sign him away and give up a 1st and 3rd.
1. McClain's comment last week about the "little birdie"
2. We haven't talked to OD about an extension but max tendered him
3. The only '09 FA or RFA we've signed to a deal so far is Dressen (3yrs)
4. Robert Royal's release
5. an article about Buffalo's need/pursuit of a TE through "any means"
My guess is that there will be/has been some discussions but in the end, the teams won't agree on compensation. and Buffalo won't sign him away and give up a 1st and 3rd.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Yes, and if the Texans gave up Daniels for less than that I would probably be kinda pissed. I don't know.
GP
Go Texans!
OD and this Texans offense have been a match made in heaven. He gets utilized like a WR, making his catches and YAC in ways that you normally see WRs making them. I've amazed at how quick he gets off the line and into open space, scorching LBs and catching DBs snoozing.
If we can exploit that for a King's ransom...it will be THE best trade in Texans football history, and it will benefit US for a change.
I think OD would die a slow and agonizing death in Buffalo, so I would feel sorry that such a great player would end up that way, but so be it. I'm more of a "what's best for the team" guy anyways.
If the Bills are THAT deluded, then (as Hervoyel says) "Get this deal done before they realize how bad it is for THEM." There's no way a top-tier TE is going to make them better right now. They have serious holes in ownership, management, coaching, QB'ing, and possibly in RB'ing as well.
This was a great move by our front office. One of many over the past few weeks. We retain OD unless someone wants him more. And...it will benefit us all the more.
Mailman
Pwned by Hakeem
We are not getting a 1st and a 3rd for a TE.
barrett
All Pro
If this does go down, and I agree Dale that the signs point to it (assuming compensation is agreed on) I think it's a brilliant move. Open Daniels is my favorite player and I'd absolutely send him packing if it means the continued depth and balance of this team. The Dreesen contract is the biggest part of this because we've got a guy who could potentially take over the same role as Daniels for very little money over the next three years. Obviously, the added pick(s) allows the Texans to continue to build with smart value in mid rounds which ensures long term stability.
I love Open Daniels. If this deal goes down Dale is gonna get hired by the Texans. I'll miss him...
I love Open Daniels. If this deal goes down Dale is gonna get hired by the Texans. I'll miss him...
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Imagine how much better this team would be right now if they'd hired me in 2002! Oh, I forgot, I was a big David Carr supporter. I think that I even justified the Phillip Buchanan trade. I know I was excited about Tony Hollings and I absolutely LOVED Seth Wand!
Hooston Texan
Rookie
It would have to be one incredibly sweet deal to get me to even think about moving Daniels. He is a critical part of the offense (his penchant for fumbling aside), and he's on the same page with Schaub. Matt has always had the luxury of a top-shelf tight end in his career (OD, plus Alge Crumpler in Atlanta and Heath Miller at Virginia), and he relies on them heavily. We'd be moving into some unknown territory if we roll the dice with the TE position.
If I was a GM, there is no way I'd offer a first and third--especially high ones like the Bills have--for a TE. But if I'm Rick Smith, I'm not sure I'd take that deal if someone was dumb enough to offer it. Unless I'm totally convinced that Dreesen is an undiscovered Pro Bowler.
If I was a GM, there is no way I'd offer a first and third--especially high ones like the Bills have--for a TE. But if I'm Rick Smith, I'm not sure I'd take that deal if someone was dumb enough to offer it. Unless I'm totally convinced that Dreesen is an undiscovered Pro Bowler.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
It would hurt me to lose Owen Daniels. I would hate to lose him.
But a first and a third?
I would find a way to live with that but I would continue to root for OD in Buffalo. We could maybe pick up that kid from Rice (Casey?) to go with Dreesen. With 2 firsts, we could even get Pettigrew.
But a first and a third?
I would find a way to live with that but I would continue to root for OD in Buffalo. We could maybe pick up that kid from Rice (Casey?) to go with Dreesen. With 2 firsts, we could even get Pettigrew.
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
They are talking about it on the Bills message board.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
This is what I posted last page. I'm not suggesting that a deal is going to happen but I just accumulated all the coincidences, rumors, etc... into one list.
1. McClain's comment last week about the "little birdie"
2. We haven't talked to OD about an extension but max tendered him
3. The only '09 FA or RFA we've signed to a deal so far is Dressen (3yrs)
4. Robert Royal's release
5. an article about Buffalo's need/pursuit of a TE through "any means"
barrett
All Pro
No one is saying it's going to happen. We're saying signs are pointing to it being a possibility. And everyone who's mentioning a 1st and a 3rd STOP. They aren't going to make that trade. No one would. The two teams would have to agree on a compensation. For example, Cassel went for a 2nd. He was tendered the same as Open Daniels. You tender for insurance to have the final say no matter what.
edit: my mistake. Cassel was an URFA. but you get the point.
edit: my mistake. Cassel was an URFA. but you get the point.
Which boils down to a comment by Da General. And unless you're privileged to the Texans contract discussions, item #2 on your list is completely unknown. You have to admit that it seems to be much ado about nothing.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
I find the Dressen extension to be fairly suspicious. They haven't extended any of the other RFAs: Cochran, DAnderson, OD himself, Rashod Butler... but they got him done in a hurry. That to me, in connection with the comment by John McClain makes me think that they're either looking at the possibility of a trade or they are concerned that OD may get signed away from them in a deal they won't match.
Pantherstang84
@rolisrgti06
Actually, Daniels did get tendered at the highest possible level. Any other team who decides they can't live without him has to cough up a 1st and 3rd pick.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
One other thing to consider is that Kollar could be a protagonist in this as well since he just came over from the Bills.
Sincerely,
KT
Master Thespian
Theater of the Absurd
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Link me homie.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Yes, Daniels got tendered but not extended. That's my point. They actually have protected Dressen (an RFA) by giving him a 3 year contract while they've left all their other RFAs in the market to be signed away- it's already happened to DAnderson.
Who would've signed Dreessen? He's caught 15 balls in 2 years. He was fortunate to get the deal he got. I applaud his agent.
I still don't understand how re-signing the backup TE has an effect on a possible trade of Owen Daniels. I'm really not trying to be obtuse. Whether the Texans moved Daniels or not, they would still need a backup TE. And that's all Dreessen is.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
My theory is that the briskness at which they extended Dressen (in comparison to the other 5 RFAs) suggests they may have somehow deemed his presence on the team to be a higher priority than the others. The fact that Dressen has had less impact on the team than guys like DAnderson, R.Butler (the new swing tackle), Cochran... makes it more likely to me that his role is going to increase (or could)... So, why would it increase and why would they want to secure him through 2011? Not sure, but perhaps it's because of the possibility that OD will end up elsewhere--either by trade or fear of him be signed to a contract that they can't/won't match. Clearly someone from the Texans, Bills, or knowledgable about the NFL told McClain specifically that the Bills had interest in OD.
Maybe Dreessen's agent just grabbed the Texans initial offer? And why wouldn't he? That's how I see it.
Clearly, someone said something to McClain. He's not capable of an original thought. But if you look at Daniels to Buffalo from practical standpoint, it doesn't make sense. The Bills won't give up a 1st and 3rd and a big contract for a TE. The Texans aren't going to accept much less for losing a productive player and creating a hole in their lineup. And it's not as if Daniels is unhappy here and pushing for a deal. There's no logic to this. Add that to the near lack of anecdotal evidence, and this seems pretty ridiculous.
Specnatz
Hall of Fame
Why? The Texans usually carry 3 TE and while I have not seen the contract details, because the crack smokin, ding-dong eating, video makin "reporters" at the comical did not get the details, but I am sure they were working on a contract before they even tendered him as a RFA. I doubt it breaks the bank and besides he is a very good blocker and has improved greatly as a pass catcher.
Pantherstang84
@rolisrgti06
The main thing to remember is the Texans get the right of first refusal on the RFA's. Andersen is not gone. The Texans can still match and sign. Nothing prevents them from extending Daniels before the season starts either. Yes there is a ton of cap space available this year. Prudence dictates that the Texans not blow it all on extending RFAs so they can sign FAs from other teams and draft picks. Afterwards they can take care of Dunta, Demeco, OD...
It's called money management. It's actually a pretty good concept. And...
What better way to find out what a player is worth on the market? Let them dip their toes in the water and come back with a price.
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Pantherstang84
@rolisrgti06
I don't think so.
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
Help me out with this because I have wondered this for the longest: how does a player become a RFA versus a UFA? Help a brotha out!
Specnatz
Hall of Fame
texansdrummer
Veteran
Pay him.....he's a keeper.
GP
Go Texans!
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
Apart from being a contributor on special teams, he's solid on offense. If you have a game DVR'd, go back and look for him. He's a good blocker and a servicable target, he's certainly no Marcellus Rivers or Courtney Anderson, or whatever scrub we've had at TE. We may have paid him well for being a role player, but he would've made that money elsewhere, if not in Buffalo, certainly in Cincinnati.
GP
Go Texans!
It was Phyllis Buchanon that did it for me. I can understand rooting for Seth Wand to make the team. But Phyllis?!?!
That was easily the worst free agent acquisition on defense we've ever had, and Weaver does not approach the absurdness of Phyllis (IMO). How could Dale have embraced that deal?
Dale!