We didn't trade Clowney for Mercilus though..
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True, but he's the de-facto Clowney replacement.We didn't trade Clowney for Mercilus though..
True, but he's the de-facto Clowney replacement.
I agree, but there's been two distinct complaints / issues.Sure, but the trade issues weren't necessarily about a replacement. They were about what did we get for his value.
It's very nice to see Mercilus taking advantage of this opportunity.
It'd be even nicer if he were doing so and we'd gotten more than whatever Jacob Martin may be and a ham sandwich.
I agree, but there's been two distinct complaints / issues.
1. We got scalped in the trade. - I still think we should have held out until he was forced to report and had him fresh for the stretch run. As it stands, we got reamed.
2. We couldn't replace his production. - we've shown that we "can", but it remains to be seen whether that holds up for the season.
What if Clowney comes back to the Texans after he realizes that he needs JJ Watt as much as Watt needs him?
That would be swell.
What if Clowney comes back to the Texans after he realizes that he needs JJ Watt as much as Watt needs him?
That would be swell.
Even with Jj Watt he was only a good pass rusher. Not great. He's a great football player, don't get me wrong. But he is not an elite pass rusher.
In his last 5 full seasons he averaged 17 sacks a year ... I'm not sure how that doesn't qualify from being an elite pass rusher ... ?
And that doesn't even begin to take into account the ridiculous volume of qb hurries and hits..
Clowney averaged 17 sacks a year?
Read that as JJ being the subject. Sorry tk. Totally my dumb.
would have been good to have Clowney's run stopping talents to keep Kamara from gashing us. There's more to D-line play than rushing the passer.Even with Jj Watt he was only a good pass rusher. Not great. He's a great football player, don't get me wrong. But he is not an elite pass rusher.
I agree, but there's been two distinct complaints / issues.
1. We got scalped in the trade. - I still think we should have held out until he was forced to report and had him fresh for the stretch run. As it stands, we got reamed.
2. We couldn't replace his production. - we've shown that we "can", but it remains to be seen whether that holds up for the season.
would have been good to have Clowney's run stopping talents to keep Kamara from gashing us. There's more to D-line play than rushing the passer.
would have been good to have Clowney's run stopping talents to keep Kamara from gashing us. There's more to D-line play than rushing the passer.
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/ramblings/2007/microfracture-nfl
https://www.healio.com/orthopedics/sports-medicine/news/print/orthopedics-today/{9f008eef-43f8-451e-ae92-220492ef3d83}/survival-return-to-play-rates-after-microfracture-varied-among-sports
JD is 5 years removed from microfracture, and coming off his 3rd consecutive Pro Bowl campaign. Saying he's "approaching a cliff" makes no sense.
I am bring this post back up again to try to demonstrate how the internet can distort information for those who are not privy to raw data. The raw data in the footballoutsiders article, the data was not only misrepresented but grossly false in so many ways that it was virtually worthless. I took the time to communicate with them and after reviewing their data, they acted responsibly shortly thereafter by altogether removing the paragraph including the link referring to the NFL list of 61 NFL players that supposedly had "successful" microfracture procedures.
In general basketball has shown better results in players......not great. Football players, unless the lesion is quite small has never been shown to be predictable and certainly not long term. The Steadman Clinic in Colorado first began performing these surgeries in the late '80s. Uncle Rico correctly pointed out that players very early on like Marino underwent microfracture and went on to long careers. But what wasn't said is that for many years, micro fracture was limited ONLY to small defects. Success thus was more likely. Many surgeon have actually felt that in these cases, no surgery would have resulted in similar long-term outcomes. As with many procedures, surgeons decided to expand and test the limits of the surgery and accordingly, the success rate plumetted, especially in terms of longevity. Today, if one wants a decent chance of longevity, they will choose the route of transplanting cartilage with the underlying bone attached..........of course, this is more like a 2 year recovery instead of a 1 year. So athletes are not as likely to choose that route.
The second article included return in a single regular season game as "successful return" in their raw data.
I didn't want to bore everyone and get into all the nitty gritty details, and this is in no way to denigrate @Uncle Rico, but to make this point. The combination of the above two sources demonstrate the pitfalls of non-experts writing of medical technically sensitive subjects and/or lay persons trying to interpret them without trusted guidance.
I will always embrace an opportunity to learn something new and to graciously accept a correction for any of my missteps
Pick 6.....if we’re still keeping score.
The 10 players double teamed most often as an edge rusher.
(ESPN stat, NGS data)
I just looked up what the dudes we got in return have done for us and combined, 1 assist tackle, 65 defensive snaps, and whole bunch of ST snaps. Great return!
Ravens 30
Seahawks 16
Cal needs to convince his brother to coach here. I’m tired of this rebuild stuck in mediocrity.Quite sad that harbaugh has built a better offense with Lamar Jackson than O'Brien has with watson
lmao all he had was 3 solo tackle and 1 of 3 for yds lose. he's been so bad this year. we won that trade 100%. knew his lazy ass will be exposed without JJ and MerciSeattle’s pass-rush was not very effective, and while this was presumably an effort to contain Jackson in the pocket, it still did not work, as he escaped numerous times and made the bulk of his plays on scrambles. Jadeveon Clowney, in particular, did not seem to show up much on his pass-rush assignments, although he did make a number of impressive run stops.
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-7-pff-refocused-baltimore-ravens-30-seattle-seahawks-16
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At least Clowney was a noticeably disruptive force Sunday, showing up in the Ravens’ backfield all afternoon long. Ansah did not play for the third time this season, inactive with an ankle injury.
Clowney supporters will argue that he’s made a difference, not only as a pass rusher but as a run defender. He’s caused several holding penalties and draws double teams that allow his defensive-line teammates more room to operate. "
Notice he said "Clowney supporters"....You also left out this little tidbit:
"But for a guy who thinks he’s worth $20 million a year in free agency after the season ends? Maybe you’re seeing that, but I’m not."
Not to mention the whole rest of the article...which by the way was written a day after Lamar Jackson ran all over them for a buck 16. So much for that elite run defender status.
Its about splash plays & for all of the nice PFF grades you love citing when it comes to him, Clowney just doesn't make enough of them to be considered elite at anything let alone being paid as an elite defender. At this point, his production isn't even on par with Mercy. Hell if You look up Clowney's stats & compare them to even Scarlett's, Clowney ain't doing too much more than him right now. Even Omenihu in very limited snaps has more sacks than Clowney right now. Dude is losing so much money....as of right now anyway. He has time to turn it around but geez.
I don't care how much he gets paid. He's better than bark, mingo, Scarlett, omenigu and any other sorry ass scrub you mentioned
Lolk, Sorry playboy, the stats just don't bear that out!
He also isn't getting paid a lot this year
Plus we are paying half his salary anyway