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I would take the picks in a heart beat.
So would I.
Use it as ammo to trade up for Malcolm Jenkins this year or Eric Berry next year.
But I bet Dunta is worth a 2nd this year and a 2nd next year as maximum value.
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I would take the picks in a heart beat.
When fans rip into players for contract negotiations, you are essentially saying that you'd rather the owners have more money. Why isn't anyone outraged that Bob McNair is squabbling over a couple million dollars when he's a billionaire. As a fan, if you have a problem with the amount of money that is in the game, then don't spend your money watching it. I quit on baseball largely because of the money. Those guys are prima donnas and I could no longer, in good conscience, support the product.
However, I just don't see reason for outrage with Dunta. Again, his only complaint, is that he was treated dishonestly. That's a reasonable complaint.
If this is true, then he gets no offers and that should help the negotiation with Texans. At some point he has to asks his agent, "if no one else wants me enough to offer a good deal, maybe I better sign long term here."So would I.
Use it as ammo to trade up for Malcolm Jenkins this year or Eric Berry next year.
But I bet Dunta is worth a 2nd this year and a 2nd next year as maximum value.
You all know that I'm a huge D-Rob fan. Imo, he's the heart and soul of this franchise. He should try to get as much money as he possibly can with his new contract. With that being said, I have to admit I'm a little pissed at his reaction to getting tagged. There are much better players than Dunta that have had the franchise tag slapped on them. And they all seem to react the same way about it even though they know it's perfectly legal for the front office to choose this option with them. My biggest problem is that if the Texans did offer him a contract similar to the one Gamble signed and his agent turned it down, then that's Dunta's problem, not the Texans. A contract that size for a guy who still has somewhat of an uncertain future at this point as far as his production level is more than fair. There are better ways of going about things than the way he chose. I'm preety sure that the tag was more of an insurance policy for the Texans to keep other teams away while they hammer out a long tem deal, which is smart business on their end. What it's sounding like is that Dunta doesn't want to be a Texan any longer. If that's the case then screw him. Let him go somewhere else.
Hmm. Not for me I think. Team would probably be below us in draft making it a low second round that does not give you a starter. There would be no potential I believe to trade up for Jenkins and no CB late in 2nd gives you a starter.I'd take two 2nds for Dunta. He's an unknown quantity post injury and we can recoup the two 2nds we gave up for Schaub while also adding valuable depth to our team.
If he is not worth a 1st this year, why all the screams about not giving him a big long term deal?
IMO he should be worth a top 25 first this year and maybe a 3rd.
According to latest article in chron.com, if Rick Smith really gave him a contract that would make him "one of the highest paid" at his position, then Dunta really has an inflated value of what he's worth. He's in for a shock if he starts shopping around.
Dude, you mean what you can gather from pure speculation. You have no idea what he was offered and with what incentives. And you are speculating again that he wants more than Gamble got.
Sounds like Dunta was offered 6 years, 23 million quarented.
And said no.
I wonder if he said no more because of how the deal is structured. Maybe they've got the years/salary/gtd stuff down but maybe much of his salary is geared towards incentives?
I'd like to see an incentive laiden contract for him but that's something Dunta and his agent could be balking at.
I wonder if he said no more because of how the deal is structured. Maybe they've got the years/salary/gtd stuff down but maybe much of his salary is geared towards incentives?
I'd like to see an incentive laiden contract for him but that's something Dunta and his agent could be balking at.
I imagine he said no because he wants more in guaranteed money. It's almost always about that because that's the carrot they're all chasing.
See post above.
Sounds like Dunta was offered 6 years, 23 million quarented.
And said no.
If the Texans really offered Robinson a similar contract to what Chris Gamble got, and he turned them down... I just don't know what to say. That's atleast 25% higher than I thought the Texans would offer. If he had a brain in his head, then he would have jumped at the offer, and thanked God the Texans were dumb enough to over pay.
Somebody needs to sit D-Rob down and say "Dude, you're not that good. You're an above average cover man, who is solid against the run. That's it. You are not Aso, Deion, or even Gamble. Deflate your ego, and get a grip on reality." A good slap upside the head for good measure wouldn't hurt either.
srsly.
Or, perhaps our defense will actually generate a pass rush, and he'll prove to be one of the best in the NFL. By the way, Kelvin Hayden just got a huge deal ( 5yrs $43 million/ $22.5 mil signing bonus)and he's an average CB that plays almost exclusively cover 2 with Freeney and Mathis rushing from both ends... I think his contract probably blew up the deal that was close to being signed.
Or, perhaps our defense will actually generate a pass rush, and he'll prove to be one of the best in the NFL. By the way, Kelvin Hayden just got a huge deal ( 5yrs $43 million/ $22.5 mil signing bonus)and he's an average CB that plays almost exclusively cover 2 with Freeney and Mathis rushing from both ends... I think his contract probably blew up the deal that was close to being signed.
Hayden had more tackles, more INTs, and fewer yards per reception in fewer games than D-Rob in 2008. If anything, Hayden's contract should have adjusted Dunta's expectations DOWN.
I heard McClain also.
I'm flabbergasted. If he turned down Chris Gamble money, he either wants out of Houston, or he's a freaking moron.
I mean, yeah - there could have been parts of the contract that bothered him - but I absolutely LOVE Dunta Robinson - and even I can say he's not as good as Gamble, and doesn't deserve that kind of scratch.
Had he never gotten injured, I'd give him that in a second. But as it is - no.
Sigh. This sucks. I love Dunta.
I wonder how this would have gone down if the Hayden deal hadn't come out.
He played on a much better defense... much, much better/ with a great pass rush and a system that limits the CBs deep responsibilities.
By the way, if next year is uncapped, we can retain Dunta automatically by giving him a 10% raise on his current salary. So, if he plays great, we can still keep him next year for a reasonable amount of money, even if the season is uncapped.
makes this about the unhappiest I have been as a Texans fan.
Hmm. Not for me I think. Team would probably be below us in draft making it a low second round that does not give you a starter. There would be no potential I believe to trade up for Jenkins and no CB late in 2nd gives you a starter.
See post above.
Sounds like Dunta was offered 6 years, 23 million quarented.
And said no.
You must be a new fan, then. 2-14 anyone?
That still doesn't tell us how the contract was structured and what incentives or clauses were in it. We still don't know why he turned it down. Did he think he was worth more than 23 million or was it because he didnt like how the contract was written? (See Mike Leach contract extention)
All I am saying is that its speculation that he thinks he is worth more than 23 million. And its speculation that he turned it down because of claus or incentive issues.
Well iam pretty sure we were not going to pay dunta anything above 15 million and his agent prob turned down everything so the texans had no choice
Nobody is going to give up a 1st round pick and sign him to a huge deal. There's no chance! He hasn't proven himself post-injury on game tape. His injury is the reason we have locked him up- a team from the outside isn't going to throw guaranteed money that we aren't willing to and also give us quality draft picks.
You must be a new fan, then. 2-14 anyone?
I know he was only 80% but that may be all he will ever be again.
I dont want grumpy players on my team, and I dont care who it is. Grumpy can destroy a team SO fast...
sounds like offer was on the table & Dunta did the walking he has nobody to blame but himself & his agent. very dissapointing
My thoughts on this situation:
A cautionary tale about Dunta Robinson's agent
Stuff gets misinterpreted all the time in negotiations. Especially when intermediaries are involved.
Your take on it seems to have the newest information incorporated in it's view. Did you and JLR draw straws to see who was going to be on Robinson's side and who was going to be on Smith's side?
I think I just need to learn how to word my jokes better.
I wonder if "Rick Smith is a liar" will turn into the new "Sage Rosenfels should be starting" which was "Is Mario a bust"?