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Texans DE J.J. Watt undergoes back surgery (out for season 9/27)

CloakNNNdagger said:
In the late 1970's the nuclear material of the vertebral disc was found to be antigenic (a target inducing an immune system response) and capable of producing an in vitro (essentially in test tube) autoimmune reaction where the body's own immune system attacks its own tissue (the disc)....... It was theorized that a chemical irritation might explain radicular referred pain to the buttocks and leg pain in the absence of a more mechanical anatomic-based stressor to explain it.

A potent inflammatory mediator was also demonstrated to be released by discs following injury. The anti-inflammatory and immunosuppressive effects of glucocorticoids (such as dxamethasone)are largely secondary to their classic anti-inflammatory inhibition of the immune responses of lymphocytes, macrophages, and fibroblasts. Whereas NSAIDs principally inhibit prostaglandin (another inflammatory substance released in general tissue trauma) synthesis, corticosteroids (such as prednisone) were found to interfere early in the inflammatory cascade by inhibiting the discovered inflammatory mediator. However, studies trying to demonstrate improved outcomes have been mixed and conclusions elusive.

If you are referring to illegal anabolic steroid use during recovery from a microdiscectomy, contrary to what most athletes believe, anabolic steroids have no healing power whatsoever. Their only medical uses are in cases of delayed sexual maturation in males, certain neurological diseases where there is muscle wasting, and to suppress estrogen activity in some forms of cancer of female organs.
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Very interesting medical history. I spent most of 2012 and part of 2013 in hospitals. Having this test and that test done. I had hepatic encephalopathy at one point as my liver failed and ammonia built up in my brain. But when I was able to read in the hospital, I read The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks. Every doctor/specialist I met I asked them if they ever read that book. I was astonished that none had.

Anyway, thanks for the post. I love reading that kind of stuff. Sorry for going off topic but I just had to let you know how much I appreciate your insight and knowledge.
 
From that Solomon article, this sums it up:

"That is the essence of the NFL, where healthy is a state of mind, not body."
 
Number19 said:
Does the NFL prohibit players from using medically proscribed steroids? If so, and if steroids would actually help JJ's recovery, perhaps he could retire from football, get the best available medical care, and then, once recovered, if he then wanted to, unretire. Actually, I don't see how the NFL can over rule the decisions of doctors and deny players the best available medical care.
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Medically proscribed steroids would be medically forbidden. Did you mean proscribed or prescribed?
 
what was life like before JJ watt I don't know it was the 2010 season right I don't even know who the DE was before watt LOL
 
badboy said:
2015 in back up limited plays, 9 tackles 2.5 tackles. IMO, Covington move to Watt's role and Ninja steps in other side. We could have a good rotation with Devon Still resting both a few plays
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Still has done NOTHING to deserve any praise or confidence and there is a reason The ninja was sitting at home. We better start getting Reader on the field a lot more or teams are going to run all over us.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
When you lose arguably the best defensive player ever, it's going to matter. A lot.
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While I tend to agree (don't get me wrong), I would also argue that the mindset of the team and players shouldn't be that way. The fans can panic all they want but they are not the ones on the field playing these games.

Look at what the New England Patriots have done with their best players not on the field, including arguably the best quarterback ever! And that organization actually wins a lot of Super Bowls and make the playoffs year in and year out.

While it's true that all three of our playoff appearances, including two wild-card wins, have been with J.J. Watt on the field... You can also say that we suffered a 2-14 season back in 2013 with J.J. Watt playing every game and dominating.

Let's not give up on our team goals just because Watt is out for the season. We still play in a pretty bad division. I think 8 wins may be enough to win the AFC South this year. If the Texans beat the Titans and the Jaguars beat the Colts - both of which I expect to happen - guess what? We will be 3-1 while the other three teams are all 1-3.
 
Sorry for the double post. It's been several months since I had last posted. I already forgot how to send a reply! But somebody needs to talk some sense into these pessimistic fans. I'm tired of reading the same doom and gloom.
 
JB said:
Our defense was on the field almost the entire game due to Hoyerceptions and had to be worn out also... j/s that throwing in the towel because of the loss of one player (even a great one like JJ) is nonsense. You declared our season over because we lost JJ, and yeah it makes it tougher but we still have a minimum of 13 games to play. We're 2-1 without JJ being JJ, we'll have to survive without him
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We shall see what it what going forward. I hope your side of the argument wins.
 
Number19 said:
Does the NFL prohibit players from using medically proscribed steroids? If so, and if steroids would actually help JJ's recovery, perhaps he could retire from football, get the best available medical care, and then, once recovered, if he then wanted to, unretire. Actually, I don't see how the NFL can over rule the decisions of doctors and deny players the best available medical care.
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From the little research I've done on the subject, anabolic steroids are very rarely prescribed and only for very acute conditions. Anabolic steroids are very harmful to athletes as they allow muscle to grow too strong for the supporting tendons and ligaments, leading to tears and ruptures. The side affects aren't much better. I've done a bit of research on the subject due to wanting to gain the muscle mass to protect joints. Done naturally, it works. Go fooling around with Mother Nature, not so much.
I'm quite sure several members can offer much more insight. CnD, Otis Bean, etc.
 
DocBar said:
From the little research I've done on the subject, anabolic steroids are very rarely prescribed and only for very acute conditions. Anabolic steroids are very harmful to athletes as they allow muscle to grow too strong for the supporting tendons and ligaments, leading to tears and ruptures. The side affects aren't much better. I've done a bit of research on the subject due to wanting to gain the muscle mass to protect joints. Done naturally, it works. Go fooling around with Mother Nature, not so much.
I'm quite sure several members can offer much more insight. CnD, Otis Bean, etc.
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Steroids wouldn't help JJ at all. His disc needs to heal properly and he needs to develop proper spinal stabilization. Spinal stabilization is more about motor control vs pure strength. Motor control is getting the right muscles to fire at the right times so that each muscle group is doing its job. If this doesn't happen you end up with compensation patterns which lead to injury. JJ can flip a 1000 pound tire 40-50 times (which I'm positive led to this injury- go back and watch the HK episode where he's flipping the tire and look at his lower back as he lifts it off the ground, you DO NOT want to lift a heavy load off the ground with a rounded low back). His back has to be strong to do that, so it's not a strength issue. It's more about body position (keeping the spine neutral) and motor control (having all the muscles fire properly to support/buttress the spine during movement)

If I could get JJ to do 2 things:

1) find a DNS instructor. DNS is a movement system based on developmental kinesiology i.e. it looks at how babies learn to move as they develop. Some of the exercises are shockingly hard to do correctly. You get into the proper position and you're shaking like a leaf in a hurricane. It teaches proper movement and spinal stabilization through breathing, motor control and joint centration. If any of you guys have back issues I strongly suggest finding a DNS instructor in your area. If you invest the time and practice the exercises I think you'll be amazed at how much better you'll feel

2) I'd have JJ meet with Stuart McGill in Canada. He's a PhD in biomechanics and all he does is study the spine. He's helped multiple professional and Olympic athletes return to high level performance after injury

I'm worried about the stuff CnD says regarding multiple surgeries, however all you can do is rehab and train the proper way and hope for the best.
 
DocBar said:
From the little research I've done on the subject, anabolic steroids are very rarely prescribed and only for very acute conditions. Anabolic steroids are very harmful to athletes as they allow muscle to grow too strong for the supporting tendons and ligaments, leading to tears and ruptures. The side affects aren't much better. I've done a bit of research on the subject due to wanting to gain the muscle mass to protect joints. Done naturally, it works. Go fooling around with Mother Nature, not so much.
I'm quite sure several members can offer much more insight. CnD, Otis Bean, etc.
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It has to be kept in mind that anabolic steroids are not classic steroids as we think about them. In fact they do not have any of the effects of the other classic steroids (corticosteroids and glucocorticoids). This is because an anabolic steroid is specifically a derivative of the hormone testosterone with its effects are limited only to the same effects offered by testosterone on the body.

You may have missed my previous response to Number19's question as it relates to Watt's condition and potential incorporation of anabolic steroids for is treatment.

CloakNNNdagger said:
In the late 1970's the nuclear material of the vertebral disc was found to be antigenic (a target inducing an immune system response) and capable of producing an in vitro (essentially in test tube) autoimmune reaction where the body's own immune system attacks its own tissue (the disc)....... It was theorized that a chemical irritation might explain radicular referred pain to the buttocks and leg pain in the absence of a more mechanical anatomic-based stressor to explain it.

A potent inflammatory mediator was also demonstrated to be released by discs following injury. The anti-inflammatory and immunosuppressive effects of glucocorticoids (such as dxamethasone)are largely secondary to their classic anti-inflammatory inhibition of the immune responses of lymphocytes, macrophages, and fibroblasts. Whereas NSAIDs principally inhibit prostaglandin (another inflammatory substance released in general tissue trauma) synthesis, corticosteroids (such as prednisone) were found to interfere early in the inflammatory cascade by inhibiting the discovered inflammatory mediator. However, studies trying to demonstrate improved outcomes have been mixed and conclusions elusive.

If you are referring to illegal anabolic steroid use during recovery from a microdiscectomy, contrary to what most athletes believe, anabolic steroids have no healing power whatsoever. Their only medical uses are in cases of delayed sexual maturation in males, certain neurological diseases where there is muscle wasting, and to suppress estrogen activity in some forms of cancer of female organs.
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Insane to me that we had people in this thread blaming the player. Just astounding.

His job is to play football. He is not a doctor. Any real competitor will try to play regardless of injury. That type of attitude, combined with his relentless work ethic and otherworldly athletic ability, make him the player that he is. If you take that mindset away from the player you change who they are on the field.

That is the exact reason why it is not up to them whether or not they can play. The organization pays people a lot of money to handle those situations.

Football players want to play football. Football coaches want their best players on the field. If you leave the ball in their court there is no doubt what the decision will be. The organization failed Watt. Watt didn't fail anybody.
 
bah007 said:
Insane to me that we had people in this thread blaming the player. Just astounding.

His job is to play football. He is not a doctor. Any real competitor will try to play regardless of injury. That type of attitude, combined with his relentless work ethic and otherworldly athletic ability, make him the player that he is. If you take that mindset away from the player you change who they are on the field.

That is the exact reason why it is not up to them whether or not they can play. The organization pays people a lot of money to handle those situations.

Football players want to play football. Football coaches want their best players on the field. If you leave the ball in their court there is no doubt what the decision will be. The organization failed Watt. Watt didn't fail anybody.
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the idea that you think Watt had nothing to do with his return is insane to me. It is obvious to many fans that medical staff rarely make final call historically. This team is in desperate need of going much deeper in play offs; if your money maker, face of team and the team leader says he can play..he plays..and he did with negative results. That is on team for not having player's health as number 1 priority. They shot craps and crapped out. Will Cushing and D Brown face same results? I guess we will see.
 
Bob McNair wants Texans' J.J. Watt to 'take all the time he needs'
By Aaron Wilson

Published 9:04 am, Monday, October 3, 2016


The season-ending back surgery Texans star defensive end J.J. Watt underwent involved a second microdiscectomy to repair his herniated disk.

Now that Watt is on injured reserve for the remainder of the season, the Texans want the three-time NFL Defensive Player of the Year to give himself the proper amount of time to strengthen his back for next year.


That means there's no rush for Watt. This rehabilitation time will be pivotal for the rest of his career. And Texans owner Bob McNair is hopeful that a lengthy convalescence will be beneficial in the long term for Watt.


"Well, it's a big disappointment, not just for the team but for him," McNair said of Watt's loss. "We want him to take all the time he needs and get well. Maybe the bad news is he might be out for the rest of the year. The good news is maybe he extended his career an extra year or two.

"We will keep up with him and help him in every way we can. We miss him, but others will step up. I think it will give them an opportunity to play. I'm looking forward to it."
 
so extra time like obvs he wont be here for TC and all 4 weeks of PS again and he will also miss WK1-6 or do u think he will miss most of next season has well ..??? like come in around wk 13 for the Playoff push ..????
 
Bob McNair wants Texans' J.J. Watt to 'take all the time he needs'
By Aaron Wilson

Published 9:04 am, Monday, October 3, 2016


The season-ending back surgery Texans star defensive end J.J. Watt underwent involved a second microdiscectomy to repair his herniated disk.

Now that Watt is on injured reserve for the remainder of the season, the Texans want the three-time NFL Defensive Player of the Year to give himself the proper amount of time to strengthen his back for next year.


That means there's no rush for Watt. This rehabilitation time will be pivotal for the rest of his career. And Texans owner Bob McNair is hopeful that a lengthy convalescence will be beneficial in the long term for Watt.


"Well, it's a big disappointment, not just for the team but for him," McNair said of Watt's loss. "We want him to take all the time he needs and get well. Maybe the bad news is he might be out for the rest of the year. The good news is maybe he extended his career an extra year or two.
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"We will keep up with him and help him in every way we can. We miss him, but others will step up. I think it will give them an opportunity to play. I'm looking forward to it."

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[When I first posted this article, I meant to add a comment to it, but got called away and never did at the time. Now I'd like to offer my thoughts on this (in red above).]

A very curious predsumptive statement to begin with. I sometimes wonder if McNair actually thinks about the statements he makes about football matters before he lets them out. The clock started ticking on Sept 30, the date of his second microdiscectomy back surgery. His first year of "extension" of his career actually ends near the beginning of the next season............the completion of the second year "extension" of his football career comes at the end of next season........if he is fortunate enough to make it into and through it.........

This does not preclude the fact that we all are wishing Watt a recovery that allows him to safely return to the field.[/QUOTE]
 
McNair is the Wizard of Oz and when he addresses his loyal subjects of Emerald City he sits on a Horse of Different Color speaking thru his Rose Colored Glasses.
 
Texian said:
McNair is the Wizard of Oz and when he addresses his loyal subjects of Emerald City he sits on a Horse of Different Color speaking thru his Rose Colored Glasses.
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I don't know what the heck this means, just thought it sounds cool.
 
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Texian said:
McNair is the Wizard of Oz and when he addresses his loyal subjects of Emerald City he sits on a Horse of Different Color speaking thru his Rose Colored Glasses.
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And like the Wiz, they never want you to look behind the curtain
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ObsiWan said:
And like the Wiz, they never want you to look behind the curtain
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When Toto does pull back the green curtain we do get a rare glimpse behind that curtain to see Bumbling Bob imitating an NFL GM.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Bob McNair wants Texans' J.J. Watt to 'take all the time he needs'
By Aaron Wilson

Published 9:04 am, Monday, October 3, 2016


The season-ending back surgery Texans star defensive end J.J. Watt underwent involved a second microdiscectomy to repair his herniated disk.

Now that Watt is on injured reserve for the remainder of the season, the Texans want the three-time NFL Defensive Player of the Year to give himself the proper amount of time to strengthen his back for next year.


That means there's no rush for Watt. This rehabilitation time will be pivotal for the rest of his career. And Texans owner Bob McNair is hopeful that a lengthy convalescence will be beneficial in the long term for Watt.


"Well, it's a big disappointment, not just for the team but for him," McNair said of Watt's loss. "We want him to take all the time he needs and get well. Maybe the bad news is he might be out for the rest of the year. The good news is maybe he extended his career an extra year or two.
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"We will keep up with him and help him in every way we can. We miss him, but others will step up. I think it will give them an opportunity to play. I'm looking forward to it."

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[When I first posted this article, I meant to add a comment to it, but got called away and never did at the time. Now I'd like to offer my thoughts on this (in red above).]

A very curious predsumptive statement to begin with. I sometimes wonder if McNair actually thinks about the statements he makes about football matters before he lets them out. The clock started ticking on Sept 30, the date of his second microdiscectomy back surgery. His first year of "extension" of his career actually ends near the beginning of the next season............the completion of the second year "extension" of his football career comes at the end of next season........if he is fortunate enough to make it into and through it.........

This does not preclude the fact that we all are wishing Watt a recovery that allows him to safely return to the field.
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You ever listen to Jerry Jones speak? Owners just want the best for their team and their players. They rarely have all of the information and Jerry Jones talks out of his butt more than any owner in the NFL, bar none.

I say give McNair a break on this one
 
J.J. Watt Injury Update: Currently Only Allowed To Walk
November 1, 2016 1:23 PM By Joshua Reese


Not a lot has been known about J.J. Watt and his recovery. Since Watt’s surgery on September 29th, he’s been away from the media spotlight not even taking to Twitter or Instagram with any updates.

Houston Texans defensive line coach Anthony Weaver shared Tuesday, that the day before he was texting with the pro-bowler. Weaver had sent Watt a picture of his son dressing up as “A.J. (Anthony Junior) Watt” for Halloween.

Weaver also shared that Watt is doing okay and is in good spirits.

“I think right now he’s only allowed to walk,”Weaver said. “Knowing J.J. he’s going to try and be the best walker in the United States of America.”

With a smile, Weaver said Watt’s probably walking 20 miles a day.

Watt is recovering from his second back surgery in just a few months. Watt played three games for the Texans in 2016 before being shut down for the year after the Texans loss to the Patriots in Week 3 on Thursday Night.
 
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What about if he went to the same Clinic that Payton went to in Switzerland. Worked wonders for him. Treatment isn't available in the U.S.
 
edo783 said:
What about if he went to the same Clinic that Payton went to in Switzerland. Worked wonders for him. Treatment isn't available in the U.S.
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There is publicity about the use of stem cells to treat lower back pain. Can these cells regenerate and repair old, degenerating spine discs? There are NO well-populated, well-controlled, blinded studies that establish its efficacy or safety. While the concept seems appealing, the concern is that patients may be drawn in by hope and hype without having the full picture of the science.......especially its potential complications......and specifically the later complications. There is absolutely no solid scientific evidence that Manning benefited from the stem cell injections he received in Switzerland, especially since he was treated with so many other modalities. Manning's case, as has been the case of some other highly publicized high profile athletes, cannot be considered anything at this point more than hyped anecdote. What you won't hear about are all the athletes that have traveled to Switzerland and received the treatment with resultant abject failure.
 
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how many years does watt have on his deal u think we trade him while he still has value BOB is talking like hes going to be out for 2 years ..???
 
IDEXAN said:
I just hope he leaves those damn tractor tires alone during his rehab.
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I can envision J.J. Watt rolling over those 1,000-pound tires to get back into shape. That's a big part of his off-season workouts. Maybe he's doing it right now as I type this! I want to hear some good news like he'll be ready for the playoffs. Even though I know IR means out for the year.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
I can envision J.J. Watt rolling over those 1,000-pound tires to get back into shape. That's a big part of his off-season workouts. Maybe he's doing it right now as I type this! I want to hear some good news like he'll be ready for the playoffs. Even though I know IR means out for the year.
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http://www.theplayerstribune.com/jj-watt-am-i-done/

were about to land at Waukesha County Airport, and I sat up for just a second to catch a glimpse of my hometown from the sky. They had made a bed for me on the plane because after my surgery, I wasn’t supposed to be in a seated position for long periods of time.

As the wheels touched down, I remember thinking, Man, I needed this.

Waiting there at terminal for me was Mr. Keefe, husband of the legendary Mrs. Keefe, my fourth grade teacher. I wasn’t allowed to drive, and my hometown isn’t exactly an Uber hotbed, so Mr. Keefe picked me up no questions asked.

It was the beginning of this fall. Normally, I never get to be home in the fall. The leaves were changing. The air was crisp. The nostalgia came over me. As we drove through my hometown, I thought about everything that had happened over the past year.

One broken hand.

One staph infection.

Two torn abs.

Three torn adductor muscles.

One herniated disc. (Twice).
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PapaL said:
It's not going to be due to lack of effort or heart. I have no doubt JJ leaves it all on the table. We're all pulling for him.
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Now that Clowney and Mercilus are proving to be menaces, it might take some pressure off JJ to have to be the man all the time - occupy a more traditional DE role and just be used on blitzes. Might just help his back and his future longevity.
 
banned1976 said:
Splitting 100%, how worried are you about Clowney's surgeries (all of them) compared to Watt's? I'm 60% Clowney, 40% Watt. I believe Watt will have more longevity in the league than Clowney. But maybe not much longer. We've talked a lot on this board about getting a franchise QB before the Texans waste through the highly productive careers of those two, especially Watt. I think the Texans already did that.
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I can't assign a percentage to your example. But I am as concerned about JJ's longevity as Clowney's. I've posted many of these concerns in the past.

From a Sept 30, 2013 post:

CloakNNNdagger said:
Ninety percent of lumbar disc problems can originally be treated successfully by adequate rest and rehab instituted in a timely fashion. This, along with early attention to his groin/sports hernia injuries, would have been the approach that would have likely allowed JJ the best chance to return intact and long-term. Allowing him to "play through" these injuries was short-sighted (everyone, including JJ, the medical staff, the training staff and the coaching staff were aware of these injuries early on), in that it may have allowed him to eek out a couple of extra games in a season that was going down the tubes anyway, in exchange for an indeterminate long-term future.

[And again, I have to read "No concerns for 2017" with a very jaded eye. ~5% of regular patients experience a recurrence within a 3 month period. After a 2nd microdiscectomy, recurrence is 20-25%. In an NFL player of JJ's size and player position, one requiring repeated strong torquing of the lumbar spine area, a higher rate of unsuccessful outcome would be expected............e.g., Tiger Woods (golf is a back torquing sport) is still experiencing severe back problems after his second microdiscectomy]
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In summary, with Watt's extensively messed up core as reflected by his bilateral sports hernia repair (which in most cases are closely associated with existing hip joint pathology) and 2 lumbar microdiscectomies, I have to remain very guarded as to his career outlook.
 
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