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I think anybody would be better than Kubiak right now but my first choice wouldn't be Gruden. Our offense is pretty solid. We need someone who knows what to do on the defensive side of the ball. Cowher or Brian Billick are my top choices.
Billick is an offensive guy that inherited an all-time defense with the Ravens.
The most seamless transition guy would be Dungy but I don't think he will do it. I don't like Gruden at all.
Billick is an offensive guy that inherited an all-time defense with the Ravens.
UGH. Dungy? No thanks. I couldn't stand to watch him on our sidelines. No way no how. Only HC I hate more than Cowher, and I could get used to Cowher.
Besides, what has Dungy done besides be the beneficiary of the best QB of all time and a top 3 franchise?
Sounds like something we might be saying about Kubiak in a few years. Building a team doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot to Texans fans right now, considering our situation.He built the Buccaneers team that Gruden won a super bowl with. After that, he was a big part of making the Colts who they are. I'm not a big Dungy fan but there's not arguing that the man knows how to build a team.
Sounds like something we might be saying about Kubiak in a few years. Building a team doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot to Texans fans right now, considering our situation.
yeah, I went there, I made a thread.
discuss why Jon Gruden is the best choice for the Texans in 2011!
I don't think he's a bad choice at all. He's a "missing ingredient" kind of coach much like they were saying on ESPN earlier Sunday about a Gruden to the Cowboys scenario. He can take a team with talent and add his energy and motivational ability and get them going pretty fast. He's maybe not so much the long-term builder if you want that kind of guy.
It's a hire I would not pan immediately. I'd consider it worth a try. If you look at us and believe that the problem is the coach and his staff then you're saying we have talent and we're being held back by the quality of our coaching. If you're right in that assumption then Gruden should make a positive difference right away.
Hard to argue with results like that.Tangibles:
176-95
1 SB Championship
5 Division Championships
Rob Ryan.
Why you guys are clamoring for someone thats out of football I'll never know.
Tangibles:
176-95
1 SB Championship
5 Division Championships
Intangibles:
Good offensive mind
Tough, no-nonsense coach
Young
As a Raiders and Bucs fan, I can tell you Grudens a much better coach than some here think. I've watched every game he coached for the Raiders and Bucs. For those that say he took "Dungys" team to a super bowl, let's not forget who they beat in that super bowl, the team he built in Oak. He also took Oak to another Afc championship, and lost a divisional game to the Pats because of the stupid tuck rule, horrible rule btw!
His last few years in Tampa his teams suffered a significant amount of injuries to key players.
You may not like him for whatever reason but he's a good coach. For those that say what has he benefitted from having great players, Freaking Brad Johnson was his QB for his superbowl team and Gannon improved greatly under Gruden. Besides what most great coaches have great players
Gruden got a Superbowl ring with a team Tony Dungee BUILT. He's a younger version of Barry Switzer. How many play off games did he win AFTER he tok Dungee's team to a superbowl? So unless you plan on getting either Jimmy Johnson OR Tony Dungee in here to build a team for him to take credit for let Chucky stay on ESPN where he belongs.
Gruden got a Superbowl ring with a team Tony Dungee BUILT. He's a younger version of Barry Switzer. How many play off games did he win AFTER he tok Dungee's team to a superbowl? So unless you plan on getting either Jimmy Johnson OR Tony Dungee in here to build a team for him to take credit for let Chucky stay on ESPN where he belongs.
“I love this game very much,” Gruden said. “This job gives me the opportunity to see the game at a different angle, and I’ll be honest - I just fell in love with it. I want to get good at it. I really like the team I’m on at ESPN. They’re really trying to help me be good.”
Also someone help me understand this, please.
As Texans fans, we want a Superbowl. Right? So the argument is, we don't want Gruden, because he won a Superbowl with a team he didn't build. And, um, we don't want to win with the team we already have in place... we want to rebuild again? Is that it? You all would rather have a coach good at building teams but not necessarily winning over a coach who can win and win big with talented teams? How does that make sense?
Also someone help me understand this, please.
As Texans fans, we want a Superbowl. Right? So the argument is, we don't want Gruden, because he won a Superbowl with a team he didn't build. And, um, we don't want to win with the team we already have in place... we want to rebuild again? Is that it? You all would rather have a coach good at building teams but not necessarily winning over a coach who can win and win big with talented teams? How does that make sense?
That arguement comes fromt he fact that Dungy took the Bucs to the playoffs 4 of the 5 years preceeding Gruden showing up. Quite different from the Texans current situation.
Maybe I missed it, but I've not seen Marty Shottenheimer's name come up. Good? Bad? I'm curious
yeah, I went there, I made a thread.
discuss why Jon Gruden is the best choice for the Texans in 2011!
First off, I'd be OK with Chucky taking a team that Kubiak built to the SB. Second, you're forgetting the Raiders in your blase dismissal of Gruden. Who's to say that Dungy could have coached the team he built to a win over the team Gruden built?
I'll stick it out with Kubiak, a new defensive staff and GM before going to Gruden.
Dungy built the team Gruden Won with
At not only does Dungy know how to build teams he knows how to win try like 9 years of 12+ wins
That's a very valid counter-arguement. Would another coach have been able to coach this team into multiple playoff appearances since 2006? Maybe so... 2009 was so so close to playoffs. Would Indy's dominance of the division still have been too much??That's assuming the reason the Texans aren't going to the playoffs is because of the players and not the coach.