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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson

Carr Bombed said:
I just got a call tonight and was told one of my best friends is in a coma due to a drug overdose.. He went missing last year (stopped talking to his family and friends), until he was picked up on a charge. Due to Covid, they don't keep people long at all. He got kicked right out on a P.R. bond. Was supposed to come straight home, he didn't, and went missing for 2 weeks. Now we get this call. It's a disease that just gets worse. His brother said it was heroin, he never did that **** before until last year.
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I got a call yesterday morning that my bookeeper/friend of over 30yrs has less than a month to live. Stage 4 lung cancer. Smoking addiction,

I got another call last night that a 43 yr old friend that I've known for 30 yrs since he was 13 yrs old died. He had suffered liver failure and continued to drink. He left behind a 21 yr old (His 1st wife died do to sepsis while pregnant with a 2nd child who also perished.) The 21 yr old has now lost his dad/mother.

He also had a 3 1/2 yr old with his 2nd wife that will never know her dad.

Yes, addiction is real and yesterday was a bad day. I shed lots of tears and I'm normally not an emotional type guy.

BTW, put me down as a DW4's a pervert, not a sex addict.
 
Sex Addiction: Symptoms and Who it Affects - Addiction Center

The Link Between Sex Offenders and Sex Addiction
It is unfortunate, but there is an association between people who suffer from sex addiction and sex offenders. Roughly half of convicted sex offenders can be diagnosed with a sex addiction. However, what is missing is a deviation between the two groups. It is commonly believed that people can become addicted to sex due to a chemical reaction in the brain. For sex offenders, it is accepted that they do not act for sexual gratification. Rather, they act out of a perverse need for power, dominance, control, revenge, or even anger. That being said, there are still changes in their brain that are similar to those who suffer from sex addiction, but the two don’t coincide. Not all sex offenders are addicted to sex, and not everyone who is addicted to sex will become a sex offender.

Either way, DW4 seems to be one messed up person.
 
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Based on links I shared in previous post on this subject, "only a page or so before this one," there is a good chance that no matter who investigates DW4 for sexual assault, his punishment won't fit the crime. Fame and fortune for sure has it's advantages.

Bill Cosby type justice for most of the rich and famous is a rarity.
 
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TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
Based on links I shared in previous post on this subject, "only a page or so before this one," there is a good chance that no matter who investigates DW4 for sexual assault, he will get nothing more than a slap on the wrist.
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And therein lies the ethical dilemma for Texan fans. Hope for full justice and possibly miss out on a bunch of draft picks, or just tone down your conscience a bit and hope for the picks. :lol:
 
TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
Based on links I shared in previous post on this subject, "only a page or so before this one," there is a good chance that no matter who investigates DW4 for sexual assault, his punishment won't fit the crime. Fame and fortune for sure has it's advantages.

Bill Cosby type justice for most of the rich and famous is a rarity.
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Not all the times. 11 criminal cases, if only one lands. He will see prison time.
 
Thorn said:
And therein lies the ethical dilemma for Texan fans. Hope for full justice and possibly miss out on a bunch of draft picks, or just tone down your conscience a bit and hope for the picks. :lol:
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I may be in the minority here but I want Justice to be what the alleged victims agree to. If they accept a monetary punishment I'm good with that. What I want or think should happen is not Important. Yes I can gripe and groan and moan if he doesn't go to prison but to some (? $) may be more Significant to her/them than 6 months or more in Prison.
 
badboy said:
I may be in the minority here but I want Justice to be what the alleged victims agree to. If they accept a monetary punishment I'm good with that. What I want or think should happen is not Important. Yes I can gripe and groan and moan if he doesn't go to prison but to some (? $) may be more Significant to her/them than 6 months or more in Prison.
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Bad idea. so it goes. The rich rarely face the judgement that anyone else does. Jail time should come with monetary restitution for certain crimes.
 
banned1976 said:
People here know my story - 30 years of battling alcohol and drug addiction until a liver transplant when I was 44 years old. And even after all that I still struggled.

I'm working at TDCJ now, Gist Unit in Beaumont. I have a caseload of 67 "clients" and every single one of them have at one point or another either seen drugs take a life close to them and/or taken a life while intoxicated/high (and a lot more life's in part from the introducing drugs to other people but that's a different story). Every one of them have a drug felony charge and they all tell me it's more "the life" than the drug itself. And from a personal experience, I had to say goodbye to 30 year old "partners" - the drugs/alcohol and "the life", the only two things that were "normal" to me. And that's not even taking into account the biological aspects of the addiction.

I have no empathy for Watson. His life (even now) has been a fairytale in comparison to those who struggle with alcohol and drug addiction/substance use disorder.
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Thank you for sharing your story. It's powerful, and I'm very glad that you are now on this side of it.

I grew up with addicts in my life, and it was never pretty. I rarely look back on my childhood because of it.

I was married to an addict. I felt the gravitational pull of alcoholism, like it's in my blood and would be my destiny. My own saving grace is having the wisdom of life in my head and a desire to be a good father in my heart. That alone made me get my act together before it became soul-consuming.

I'm like you in that I have a deep sympathy for those struggling with addictions. It hurts me to see anyone struggle, because it all too often does not end in success. It's heartbreaking.

That said, like you, I have absolutely no compassion for Watson right now. Most of the dudes I grew up with went through phases where they were dogs chasing that tail, myself included. It was never an "addiction". It was just young dudes full of testosterone and hooking up was rarely difficult. It never required the kind of mind games and situational manipulation that has been Watson's M.O..

He's a sexual predator. Prison is full of them. They just don't have the money to hire Rusty Hardin.
 
Double Barrel said:
Thank you for sharing your story. It's powerful, and I'm very glad that you are now on this side of it.

I grew up with addicts in my life, and it was never pretty. I rarely look back on my childhood because of it.

I was married to an addict. I felt the gravitational pull of alcoholism, like it's in my blood and would be my destiny. My own saving grace is having the wisdom of life in my head and a desire to be a good father in my heart. That alone made me get my act together before it became soul-consuming.

I'm like you in that I have a deep sympathy for those struggling with addictions. It hurts me to see anyone struggle, because it all too often does not end in success. It's heartbreaking.

That said, like you, I have absolutely no compassion for Watson right now. Most of the dudes I grew up with went through phases where they were dogs chasing that tail, myself included. It was never an "addiction". It was just young dudes full of testosterone and hooking up was rarely difficult. It never required the kind of mind games and situational manipulation that has been Watson's M.O..

He's a sexual predator. Prison is full of them. They just don't have the money to hire Rusty Hardin.
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I understand this all too well. Reminds me how I grew up.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
I don’t care to make any predictions on an egregious act like this. If he doesn’t get what is deserved, this again just shows how F’d up this system is.
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Based on how the law had handled other rich and famous people it is not hard to make such a prediction. As some others have said, it is unlikely DW4 goes to jail but highly likely he has a financial price to pay.
 
I feel for all of you who were former substance abuse addicts or had to deal with others who were or are substance abuse addicts. I also feel for those of you who had less than ideal childhoods. I am glad to hear that you all are now doing well.

I never said that anybody should feel sorry for DW4, only that his behavior is indicitive of someone who has a compulsive sexual disorder and/or an addiction.

In no way have I stated that if DW4 is found guilty of the acts he has been accused of that he should get off easy. I just stated the possible cause and effect.

DW4 could very well have been using an illicit substance or substances prior to his contact with many of these women. People on drugs and alcohol tend to be impulsive/compulsive and make poor choices. I still don't rule out that DW4 is a sex addict or sex offender and/or he has a compulsive sexual disorder. That does not mean he should not be punished if found guilty. Just because a person has compulisive problems or is using a lot of drugs and/or alcohol, it does not mean they don't know right from wrong. We all still must be held accountable for our poor choices. If those choices lead to breaking the law and/or harming others who are innocent than we should face justice. If a person is cognitive enough to aggressively persue someone than they are able to know that what they are doing is wrong.

While I think DW4 is most likely guilty, he still deserves his day in court. The punishment he gets may be determined by whether he is found to have a mental disorder or not. I think the most likely punishment will be probation and he will have to pay a financial price.

Overview
Compulsive sexual behavior is sometimes called hypersexuality, hypersexuality disorder or sexual addiction. It's an excessive preoccupation with sexual fantasies, urges or behaviors that is difficult to control, causes you distress, or negatively affects your health, job, relationships or other parts of your life.

Compulsive sexual behavior may involve a variety of commonly enjoyable sexual experiences. Examples include masturbation, cybersex, multiple sexual partners, use of pornography or paying for sex. When these sexual behaviors become a major focus in your life, are difficult to control, and are disruptive or harmful to you or others, they may be considered compulsive sexual behavior.
No matter what it's called or the exact nature of the behavior, untreated compulsive sexual behavior can damage your self-esteem, relationships, career, health and other people. But with treatment and self-help, you can learn to manage compulsive sexual behavior.

Compulsive sexual behavior - Symptoms and causes - Mayo Clinic
 
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TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
Based on how the law had handled other rich and famous people it is not hard to make such a prediction. As some others have said, it is unlikely DW4 goes to jail but highly likely he has a financial price to pay.
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And if that is known by both attorneys..and I feel it is.. then settle. The District Atty knows it also and unless he needs public attention this could be resolved sooner rather than later. I don't think Watson, the women or NFL want the attention. Only the two lawyers get benefit from attention and Buzbee more than Harden imo.
 
Double Barrel said:
It was never an "addiction"
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The addiction stems from the large number of women in the same profession being called and persued for sex and/or sexual favors. It is not the act of someone simply "chasing tail,". It is obvious that DW4 was on a power trip. DW4 has a need for power and control. While his actions were sexual in nature it is not simply sex that drives him, it is control and power. Still, it is compulsive, sexual in nature, and that is where the compulsive sexual disorder comes into effect.

People are always telling me I need to go back and read previous post, which I find funny considering it is obvious by the responses I get, that few if anybody took the time to read through my post and click on my links.

DW4 is not a victim and I never said he was. He is the aggressor and he should face the proper punishment. Still he may need psychological help along the way. Also while you all jump on me for stating DW4 may have a sexual addiction and you point out how much worse sustance abuse is, you overlook the fact that a lot of times sexual predators are that way when under the influence of a substance and substances. Nobody has even considered that DW4 may have taken a substance or substances prior to his dealings with many of these women. It does not matter because unless a person is unable to know right from wrong, they deserve to face the full punishment that comes from breaking the law. Knowledge of right and wrong supercedes any addiction and I have no doubt in my mind that DW4 knows the differece between right and wrong and he knew that when he tried to force himself on many of his accusers.

Still yet I think DW4 needs to face his demons and acknowlege he has a serious mental disorder. The many women he called to do massages on him tells me he has a problem. Covid is not a valid excuse. He chose victims and got off on it.
 
Sexual addiction? Sexual preditor? Mental disorder? Has anyone commented on the fact that there seemingly is no reported prior history. All the accusations occurred since March 2020. Wonder what a shrink would have to say about this?
 
Double Barrel said:
Thank you for sharing your story. It's powerful, and I'm very glad that you are now on this side of it.

I grew up with addicts in my life, and it was never pretty. I rarely look back on my childhood because of it.

I was married to an addict. I felt the gravitational pull of alcoholism, like it's in my blood and would be my destiny. My own saving grace is having the wisdom of life in my head and a desire to be a good father in my heart. That alone made me get my act together before it became soul-consuming.

I'm like you in that I have a deep sympathy for those struggling with addictions. It hurts me to see anyone struggle, because it all too often does not end in success. It's heartbreaking.

That said, like you, I have absolutely no compassion for Watson right now. Most of the dudes I grew up with went through phases where they were dogs chasing that tail, myself included. It was never an "addiction". It was just young dudes full of testosterone and hooking up was rarely difficult. It never required the kind of mind games and situational manipulation that has been Watson's M.O..

He's a sexual predator. Prison is full of them. They just don't have the money to hire Rusty Hardin.
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I have a lot of similar experiences. I had a lot of alcohol problems when I was younger. Ruined some relationships, damaged my gallbladder, got me arrested, etc. Got sober for a few years, but I eventually went back to drinking. Now, I may have a single beer with friends, or a glass or two of wine with dinner, and it stops there. I don't instantly want to drink when I'm stressed. Don't know if I was an alcoholic, but I was probably close. My ex certainly was, and as you say, she drew me into her orbit of drinking. When we got apart, we both got better. While I certainly think alcoholism is a disease, I do think that AA plays that up too much in a lot of cases.

As far as sex addiction goes, things can come and go as official problems. Gays used to be labeled insane, for instance. Whether sex addiction is real or not, paraphilia very much is, and is notorious to break. Watson is certainly on some kind of compulsive spectrum, beyond the usual rich guy banging groupies. The dude obviously has a submissive kink, which usually there is nothing wrong with, but only with consent. Sex addiction, as e know it now, is certainly used as an excuse for a lot of bad behavior.
 
TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
The addiction stems from the large number of women in the same profession being called and persued for sex and/or sexual favors. It is not the act of someone simply "chasing tail,". It is obvious that DW4 was on a power trip. DW4 has a need for power and control. While his actions were sexual in nature it is not simply sex that drives him, it is control and power. Still, it is compulsive, sexual in nature, and that is where the compulsive sexual disorder comes into effect.

People are always telling me I need to go back and read previous post, which I find funny considering it is obvious by the responses I get, that few if anybody took the time to read through my post and click on my links.

DW4 is not a victim and I never said he was. He is the aggressor and he should face the proper punishment. Still he may need psychological help along the way. Also while you all jump on me for stating DW4 may have a sexual addiction and you point out how much worse sustance abuse is, you overlook the fact that a lot of times sexual predators are that way when under the influence of a substance and substances. Nobody has even considered that DW4 may have taken a substance or substances prior to his dealings with many of these women. It does not matter because unless a person is unable to know right from wrong, they deserve to face the full punishment that comes from breaking the law. Knowledge of right and wrong supercedes any addiction and I have no doubt in my mind that DW4 knows the differece between right and wrong and he knew that when he tried to force himself on many of his accusers.

Still yet I think DW4 needs to face his demons and acknowlege he has a serious mental disorder. The many women he called to do massages on him tells me he has a problem. Covid is not a valid excuse. He chose victims and got off on it.
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Yes, he should be punished like any other serial rapist if found guilty in criminal court. Punishment should be being the QB of the Mean Machine for 40 yrs to Life.
 
Number19 said:
Sexual addiction? Sexual preditor? Mental disorder? Has anyone commented on the fact that there seemingly is no reported prior history. All the accusations occurred since March 2020. Wonder what a shrink would have to say about this?
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Fame and money add up to opportunites and the luxury he did not have prior. Also there is no telling what skeletons may be in DW4's closet.

I am sure DW4 started out being addicted to porn prior to acting on his sexual desires. Porn is often the gateway "drug" that leads to direct sexual contact and abuse.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yes, he should be punished like any other serial rapist if found guilty in criminal court. Punishment should be being the QB of the Mean Machine for 40 yrs to Life.
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He did not rape any of his accusers so I doubt his punishment is anywhere near 40 years to life. The sad fact is that many times serial rapist don't even get convictions that long.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Not all the times. 11 criminal cases, if only one lands. He will see prison time.
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say 1 to 2 of them will stick. More due to the fact that even if you take HPD out of the picture. Other cities are going to look into the matter as women in that state also have changed him (civil cases or not). And with the number of cases that seems to grow in number. The number of cities that go with the cases. Something very likely is going to come out and it will be the nail in the coffin so to speak. I might be wrong, but I don't think so. When you have that many departments and states/cities in is very hard to get past everything.
 
TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
He did not rape any of his accusers so I doubt his punishment is anywhere near 40 years to life. The sad fact is that many times serial rapist don't even get convictions that long.
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According to what I read he "forced me to have sex with him". That sounds like rape to me. The question is was it one of the civil case women or criminal? If you Google: Watson rape charge you will find it
 
Taken from an article about why reporters often misread a player. Only to find out that they don't have any idea what the player is like outside the safety of the locker room. A good little read and reality check.



When I was in grad school, I covered the Missouri football team for a season, and in my first week on the beat, the team’s star running back, Derrick Washington, was pulled out of practice with no explanation. I asked if a colleague could get to the local courthouse before it closed to see if there were any pending criminal charges.

There were. A woman had come forward alleging Washington had sexually assaulted her. He was found guilty and sentenced to five years in prison.
 
SnakeEyes said:
According to what I read he "forced me to have sex with him". That sounds like rape to me. The question is was it one of the civil case women or criminal? If you Google: Watson rape charge you will find it
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I haven't found where he forced full sexual intercourse, but he allegedly did rape them more or less by forcing them to perform oral sex on him. If true, I hope they lock him under the prison he is incarcerated in. Still I think he has a compulsive sexual disorder, but it is highly unlikely given his profession, that he admits he has a problem and seeks help. Since that is the case I hope he spends many years in jail. I hate not getting a big return by trading him but for the victims sake I hope he is incarcerated for a long time!
 
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SnakeEyes said:
Only to find out that they don't have any idea what the player is like outside the safety of the locker room. A good little read and reality check.
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It is not only in the locker room where we misread people but the fact is a lot of people get away with living a secret life. From pedophiles, thiefs, serial rapist and all the way to serial killers, there are many people we think we know but we really don't.
 
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The1ApplePie said:
Sex addiction, as e know it now, is certainly used as an excuse for a lot of bad behavior.
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So is substance abuse. Yes it is true that people do all kinds of bad stuff while on illicit substances, but they go to prison for criminal acts just the same as anybody else. As long as you know the difference between right and wrong when you commit a criminal act, and it can be proven, than you can not use addiction of any kind as an excuse.

We also do not know one way or another whether DW4 was using any kind of mind altering substance when he is supposed to have sexually assaulted his supposed victims. I say supposed and I will continue to say supposed until he is proven guilty and faces punishment for his supposed illegal sexual acts.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
I think that's a possibility.

Signed,
BTK
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Serial killers, Dennis Rader aka BTK, Gary Ridgway aka The Green River Killer, Cannibal Jeffery Dahmer, Ted Bundy, Killer Clown John Wayne Gacey..the list goes on and on. That's just the tip of the iceburg. Do a search on serial rapist and read about plenty of them who nodody suspected.

I bet nobody thought Bill Cosby would be convicted of sex crimes. A lot of people do a good job of keeping their skeletons in their closets.
 
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Dejaview said:
My guess is if everyone suspected the perpetrators of serial crimes then they wouldn’t have become serial. 🤷‍♂️
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Good point.

My point is that DW4 was thought to be a nice guy and a class act. None of us expected anything close to what he has been accused of doing.

I also pointed out Bill Cosby as an example. Bill Cosby spent years cultivating a wholesome image as a family man with an impeccable moral compass. Outside of Bill Cosby's victims, I am sure very few of us thought he was a sexual predator. I am sure there are plenty more people like Bill Cosby and DW4 who none of us suspect would wind as sexual predators and/or criminals in general. There are a lot of people with shameful secrets who none of us would think had anything corrupt to hide.

While we argue sexual addiction vs substance abuse addiction, the two many times are not separate. The possibility that DW4 was using and abusing a substance of some sort has never been brought up. While I doubt he was using any kind of drug or was drunk on alcohol I wouldn't swear to it that he was sober.

Anyway, based on the court of public opinion he is guilty. I think where there is smoke there is fire and we have discovered a lot of smoke and that is why I lean toward feeling DW4 is guilty. Still, I am not going to swear to it and I will let this all play out before I feel I know for sure if he is guilty or not.
 
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steelbtexan said:
Buzbee should be concerned. I dont trust HPD in this political climate.
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Hey Steel sorry but I'm just a dumb-azz, innocent commoner-taxpayer down here in Clear Lake while you are clearly a savvy guy plugged into the political climate, so what do you mean by this comment ?
Are you saying because the mayor & DA are Dems they will have bias in favor of DW4 ?
 
IDEXAN said:
Are you saying because the mayor & DA are Dems they will have bias in favor of DW4 ?
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Houston attorney Tony Buzbee has been at the center of the story. He has been quite outspoken on social media about the case. Yet, despite initially claiming he would provide evidence to police regarding his clients’ accusations against Watson, Buzbee pulled a 180 on Tuesday.
“Here is my worry. When I ran for Houston mayor against the CURRENT mayor, I called for the resignation of the former police chief,” he wrote on Instagram.

While Art Acevedo no longer holds that position, Buzbee pointed out that Rusty Hardin, Watson’s attorney, has a son who works for the HPD.
“I am not saying in any way that Deshaun Watson’s lawyer, Mr. Hardin, has a son who has a position that would compromise the HPD and its investigation. I support his service, along with all Houston police officers — I think the rank and file know that,” he wrote. “But, I am saying that me and my clients will go elsewhere to provide our evidence to investigative authorities. Stand by.
 
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IDEXAN said:
Hey Steel sorry but I'm just a dumb-azz, innocent commoner-taxpayer down here in Clear Lake while you are clearly a savvy guy plugged into the political climate, so what do you mean by this comment ?
Are you saying because the mayor & DA are Dems they will have bias in favor of DW4 ?
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Doesn’t Hardin have a son at HPD? Also do you honestly believe that if Buzbee had a son at HPD and there was not a single Democrat judge in the entire county that DW’s attorney wouldn’t be crying foul?
 
Dejaview said:
Doesn’t Hardin have a son at HPD? Also do you honestly believe that if Buzbee had a son at HPD and there was not a single Democrat judge in the entire county that DW’s attorney wouldn’t be crying foul?
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I ask a question and your response is two quesitons of your own ? Sorry man that's not helpful.
I know very little about Buzzbutt other than he's a very successful litigation lawyer.
 
IDEXAN said:
I ask a question and your response is two quesitons of your own ? Sorry man that's not helpful.
I know very little about Buzzbutt other than he's a very successful litigation lawyer.
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Oh I answered it. you just don’t like the answers because you failed to answer them.
 
IDEXAN said:
Hey Steel sorry but I'm just a dumb-azz, innocent commoner-taxpayer down here in Clear Lake while you are clearly a savvy guy plugged into the political climate, so what do you mean by this comment ?
Are you saying because the mayor & DA are Dems they will have bias in favor of DW4 ?
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Yes
 
Double Barrel said:
It's nothing but a weak, unsupported defense for an alleged sexual predator, and there is no reason to continuously repeat it without evidence.
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Why are we even debating all this without evidence? What I have seen so far is people projecting their personal feelings and using them as proof that DW4 is guilty of all the accusations against him. I feel that he is guilty, but until this case is closed I really do not know anything for sure.

On a side note, many substance abuse addicts use their substance addictions as a reason for their poor decisions which amount to them breaking the law. They have ready made excuses for stuff like theft, violent behavior and assaults, as well as sexual assaults and/or misconduct. For all we know DW4 could have a hidden drug addiction.

I have never said that DW4 should not go to jail because he is sick with an addiction and needs help. He most likely knows right from wrong and if that is proven than regardless of whether he is an addict or has addictions, they do not preclude him from facing justice. It simply means that at some point he should seek help for his addiction and/or addictions if he is found to have any. First thing he should have to do is face justice if if it is proven he is guilty of the sexual assaults he has been accused of.
 
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Captain's log. StarDate 74893.7. Nothing useful or meaningful to date in this Watson thread. Interestingly, without any updates from Watson, his lawyers, the Texans, the massage therapists, HPD or the NFL, the post count in the thread continues to increase. Posters visiting, reading the thread, but not posting, remains steady.

Usually, Vulcans are reluctant to mind meld with other species. However, Spock would find it fascinating to mind meld with this Watson and see why he would conduct himself in such a manner that led to the creation of this thread. Also, Uhura wanted to explore the option of Spock teaching a modified Vulcan nerve pinch to massage therapists that they could use on this Watson's genitals.
 
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