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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson

Dejaview said:
You are fans. Why do you give a **** about this punk that doesn’t give a **** about you. I don’t care if he is a criminal or not. He pissed on fans and some of you are still drinking it up.
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Some fans are in complete denial. I was talking to a dude on Facebook ( Group on Messenger). And he doesn’t think Watson did anything wrong. He thinks dude is making a business decision. That’s why he wants out of Houston. I’m like if you say so.
 
TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
Why does most of the people on here think none of them were? As many massage therapist as DW4 had, it is highly unlikely all of them were on the up and up. DW4 acknowledged he had so called consensual sexual relations with some of his accusers. Though the sex was consensual that does not mean he did not pay for that service or break the law. It is known that plenty of so called massage therapist use that job as a cover for bringing clients so called happy endings. Instagram is a great way to cover up the act of prostitution. I am sure many of these women know one another and share clients. It is a convenient and great way to do business. If law enforcement had discovered clear cut evidence of what he is being accused of, DW4 would already be convicted and a sentence would be all but secured.

Patriots owner Bob Kraft may have been acquited on his charge of solicitinig sex with a massage therapist but that does not make him innocent. It is just as likely he got away with it. It points to the problem of prostitutes using a legal job description to get away with their illegal activities. Plenty of massage parlors have been shut down due to the acts of prostitution.

I left links on one of my recent post in regards to the problem. I get that we all have a reason to hate DW4 but that does not mean that he sexually assaulted all his accusers. He obviously has a problem he can't control or he would not have tried to force himself on women who he did not know if they were prostititutes or not. I hate what he has done in regards to trying to force a trade but I also realize he is a sick man who needs help. Not simply because he solicited sex but due to the nature of his actions and the number of women involved.
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False. That’s not how these things work. The DA needs to present to a grand jury to decide if charges will be brought. That is likely what may be happening. The charges have to come before he is convicted. We do know HPD still has open criminal investigations into Watson.

Also, the sex trade game in Houston is humongous. I’m telling you, prostitution you won’t really find on Instagram. There are other places where these happy endings will be offered, like the site formerly known as backpage and quite a few others which I will not let name here. Let me explain why prostitutes would not use Instagram. Number one, they will not want to use their real name in case someone is a cop. They will likely use a website. Number two, using Instagram for sex is a dangerous game, because they cannot vet their clients there. Again they are likely to use another website where they can see if a potential customer has “reviews”, where they can screen if they are a cop
 
Corrosion said:
I'd have to say no to that .... not when 9 of the 11who have filed criminal charges haven't filed civil suits. If they were looking for a settlement of some sort that's what they would have done.

The motive here isn't money ....
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No, but they may have to settle for money. Seeing it is going to be very hard to prove what happened is fact. So, they may have to go the "Goldman" route. Watson wins the criminal charges and loses the civil cases.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
False. That’s not how these things work. The DA needs to present to a grand jury to decide if charges will be brought. That is likely what may be happening. The charges have to come before he is convicted. We do know HPD still has open criminal investigations into Watson.

Also, the sex trade game in Houston is humongous. I’m telling you, prostitution you won’t really find on Instagram. There are other places where these happy endings will be offered, like the site formerly known as backpage and quite a few others which I will not let name here. Let me explain why prostitutes would not use Instagram. Number one, they will not want to use their real name in case someone is a cop. They will likely use a website. Number two, using Instagram for sex is a dangerous game, because they cannot vet their clients there. Again they are likely to use another website where they can see if a potential customer has “reviews”, where they can screen if they are a cop
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Your points are valid. Then again why would anybody with fame and fortune need to turn to a prostitute for a happy ending? Still some have done so and I am sure many more will do it in the future. A lot of people do things that seemingly make no sense. I still say that some of his clients were paid for sex and sexual favors. Hopefully we shall see at some point what the truth is.

Insta-hookers? Sites say they expose 'Instagram models' who are really prostitutes | Fox News

Instagram Models: The Difference Between Whoring and Prostitution - BlogPh.net
 
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TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
There is a clear problem in the massage therapy industry. Legitimate therpist are often getting mixed up with the false ones. I make no excuses for DW4 but to me it seems obvious he mistakenly thought all the therapist he contacted would have sex with and/or perform sexual acts on him. DW4 is hardly the first client to sexually assault legitimate therapist. It is a rather big problem in the industry. That does not mean DW4 should be let off the hook but it also does not mean all the therapist he made contact with are innocent. Plenty of clients expect happy endings.

Untangling Massage therapy from Prostitution and Human Trafficking (massagepracticebuilder.com)

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Obviously you didn't read post #5328 in this thread. Here's a Link

Watson knew these women were not whores , there is absolutely no mix up here to the point that he was methodical in choosing victims.

He used his status to threaten , manipulate & coerce them and on multiple occasions used physical force.
 
Corrosion said:
Obviously you didn't read post #5328 in this thread. Here's a Link

Watson knew these women were not whores , there is absolutely no mix up here to the point that he was methodical in choosing victims.

He used his status to threaten, manipulate & coerce them and on multiple occasions used physical force.
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Supposedly. He has yet to be convicted. My links prove that there are plenty of women who use Instagram for sexual purposes. I am not saying DW4 did not do SOME of what he has been acused of but read my links in regards to the acts some women are willing to perform for some of their Johns. I don't see this case as all or nothing. I think most of the blame resides with DW4 for not vetting these women accordingly but I also don't buy that all his accusers are unblemished, white as snow innocent.

In my opinion it is not hard to believe DW4's kinky sexual desires would be met by some of these women for a price.

I am done discussing the matter until this is all sorted out because it serves no purpose. All of us are going back and forth and getting nowhere. Everybody is making valid points but without a conviction, or exoneration, or at least any new information from the press, there is nothing much left to discuss.
 
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Corrosion said:
After the things I've read and been told about these individual cases , I cannot fathom anyone defending this asshat.
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You know them to be true without a doubt? I am impressed. Most of what I have read is unverifiable and unproven up to this point. There are accusations, but so far nothing is clear cut in the way of evidence.

That does not mean I think DW4 is completey inncoent either and I have stated as much in some of my post.
 
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Carr Bombed said:
...and they haven't convicted R. Kelley yet for pissing on his fans, but it's coming. :)
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There is clear cut evidence against R. Kelley is there not? So far none of the accusations DW4 is accused of has been proven. Will it turn out that way? I do not know but nobody else does either. Chances are that if he is like other rich and famous people in the past who were proven guilty, the punishment will not fit the crime.
 
TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
In my opinion it is not hard to believe DW4's kinky sexual desires would be met by some of these women for a price.
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You ever talk to a guy who thinks he’s all that? That all he has to do is whip it out & women would just drop to their knees?

some guys are like that. They see that crap in porn & think those scenarios happen in real life.

some guys will pay to play out those fantasies. Some guys think they don’t have to.
 
SnakeEyes said:
No, but they may have to settle for money. Seeing it is going to be very hard to prove what happened is fact. So, they may have to go the "Goldman" route. Watson wins the criminal charges and loses the civil cases.
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The big unknown…in a criminal case the entire masseuse industry will be scrubbed to dig up more material to back up the claims of these women. Who knows just what they may find and even outside that industry from past contacts. If he’s proven innocent it’s going to have to be through a lot more mud that’s on him now.
 
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thunderkyss said:
You ever talk to a guy who thinks he’s all that? That all he has to do is whip it out & women would just drop to their knees?

some guys are like that. They see that crap in porn & think those scenarios happen in real life.

some guys will pay to play out those fantasies. Some guys think they don’t have to.
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I think DW4 started off paying for sex and sexual acts. That does not mean I don't think there were victims because I do think there were. I just don't think all of them were.
 
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www.chron.com

Nick Caserio says Texans ‘respectful of process’ regarding Deshaun Watson

The Texans quarterback still wants to be traded, but the situation is complicated.
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"I think we're taking it one day at a time," Caserio said on the show. "Really, control the things that we can control. I think the players have been focused on their attitude and their approach in the building, and they've handled everything, I would say, very well. So again, we'll take it one day at a time.

"I don’t really have any additional comments about anything. I think we're respectful of what's happening. We're respectful of the process and everybody that's involved. The most important thing is for all of us - our coaches and players, myself included - is to focus on the things we can control. As we get more information, as we get closer to training camp, then we'll try to make the best decision for the Houston Texans, whatever that entails."
 
TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
I think DW4 started off paying for sex and sexual acts. That does not mean I don't think there were victims because I do think there were. I just don't think all of them were.
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Man you can look at a woman in this day and time and be accused of sexual harassment/assault.


I remember working for this company that installs duck work. We had a big project at Hermann Hospital. My foreman would get irritated with me for speaking to the women nurses and doctors. He told me they can file sexual harassment on me for saying good morning to them. I was like man get out of here.
 
Has Watson even remotely admitted to any type of so-called "sex addiction"?

Or, is that just his sycophants coming up with any reason to make him a victim of his own mental illness?

I call it horse crap. Dude was horny and used his money and fame to either seduce and/or coerce women into playing with the center-of-his-universe penis.

If "karma" was even remotely real, he'd have E.D. for the rest of his life.
 
Texansballer74 said:
www.chron.com

Nick Caserio says Texans ‘respectful of process’ regarding Deshaun Watson

The Texans quarterback still wants to be traded, but the situation is complicated.
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Complicating things is the fact that he's facing 22 civil suits filed by women who accuse him of sexual assault and harassment during massage sessions in 2020 and 2021. No matter how the result of the lawsuits, Watson could face punishment from the NFL.
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I wonder why they didn't mention the criminal cases.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Man you can look at a woman in this day and time and be accused of sexual harassment/assault.


I remember working for this company that installs duck work. We had a big project at Hermann Hospital. My foreman would get irritated with me for speaking to the women nurses and doctors. He told me they can file sexual harassment on me for saying good morning to them. I was like man get out of here.
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A lot of so called victims come out of the woodwork when they stand to make a lot of money. I realize that plenty of women filed criminal complaints but there also were quite a few who filed civil suits and they don't have to come forward and can remain anonymous. It is not really like they have anything to lose by filing a civil suit.

I think DW4 is a sick man and I think he did force himself on quite a few of these women. It also opened the door to some false accusations.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
This has been said repeatedly ad nauseum by several here...............1 is disgusting enough............it just takes 1.
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It is disgusting but it happens quite frequently to legitimate massage therapist from a lot of men due to the many people who use the job as cover for their illegal actions. I left the links to show just that. Many of these perps are sick and they assume all massage therapist have a price for them to fulfill their sexual urges.

It stands to reason that DW4 is hardly on an island all to himself in regards to forcing himself on innocent and legit massage therapist. He also should not get away with it any more than any other man accused of the same or similar behavior.

Addicts are known for their destructive behavior and poor decisions. I myself feel that DW4 has a hard time with impulse control due to a serious sex addiction. If he is found guilty he should pay in whichever way it goes, be it financially, criminally, or both, but once that has taken place he should get some therapy for an obvious sickness. His actions are not the actions of someone thinking clearly or in their right mind. Taken as a whole, just the sheer number of massage therapist he dealt with says he for sure has a problem.

It seems DW4 knew that the protitutes he made contact with also had ties to other women in the same "profession," so it seems he thought the legit women were part of that network. It could be real massage therapist got mixed up with those who are not legit.

Based on what we have been told DW4's behavior was depraved and if true, there is no excuses. Just like other kinds of addicts must pay for the illegal acts they commit, DW4's acts as a result of his addictions should be dealt with according to the law. He seems to be in my minds eye, a serious sex and power addict. I hope he does not get off easy if he is found guilty. It may take rock bottom for him to get help.

Saying all that, I acknowledge that it seems many of these women are vicitms, thus regardless of any addiction DW4 has, he should still face up to his actions and justice should be served if he is found guilty.

As a Christian I also will pray for DW4 to overcome his addiction.
 
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Double Barrel said:
Has Watson even remotely admitted to any type of so-called "sex addiction"?

Or, is that just his sycophants coming up with any reason to make him a victim of his own mental illness?

I call it horse crap. Dude was horny and used his money and fame to either seduce and/or coerce women into playing with the center-of-his-universe penis.

If "karma" was even remotely real, he'd have E.D. for the rest of his life.
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Out of curiosity. Who are the Watson sycophants? I sense the majority of fans are disappointed, tired of this drama and ready to move on. However, no matter how a post is worded, unless it's an anus joke or posting he is guilty until innocent or piling on, then it's a sycophantic post?

@TxnsJuggernaut1 has tried to make an objective post without rushing to judgement or minimizing these allegations, yet it will be taken by many that he supports Watson or is minimizing the charges.
 
Double Barrel said:
Has Watson even remotely admitted to any type of so-called "sex addiction"?

Or, is that just his sycophants coming up with any reason to make him a victim of his own mental illness?

I call it horse crap. Dude was horny and used his money and fame to either seduce and/or coerce women into playing with the center-of-his-universe penis.

If "karma" was even remotely real, he'd have E.D. for the rest of his life.
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NO, because IF he said he had any issue he would be saying he was wrong. And he IS NOT going to say he did anything wrong. I don't know if he is just the type that won't say anything or if he (in his mind) thinks he is not guilty of anything. If so you may have to add another type of mental condition to the list
 
Double Barrel said:
Has Watson even remotely admitted to any type of so-called "sex addiction"?

Or, is that just his sycophants coming up with any reason to make him a victim of his own mental illness?

I call it horse crap. Dude was horny and used his money and fame to either seduce and/or coerce women into playing with the center-of-his-universe penis.

If "karma" was even remotely real, he'd have E.D. for the rest of his life.
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It takes rock bottom for most addicts to come to terms with their addictions. Nobody knows for certain if DW4 has an addiction but based on the number of women involved and DW4's reckless behavior, it would seem to me he has a lack of impulse control, and to me that is a sure sign on an addiction. Besides, just as drug addicts are put in jail for breaking the law, the same should be for anybody who breaks the law, no matter the type addiction they have. Especially when an addiction leads to victimizing other people. Addicts still know right from wrong and they can seek help. If they don't do this then there is no way they should get away with any crimes they commit.

On a side note I am not saying you are wrong but either way, if convicted, than he is a criminal.
 
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Earl34 said:
Out of curiosity. Who are the Watson sycophants? I sense the majority of fans are disappointed, tired of this drama and ready to move on. However, no matter how a post is worded, unless it's an anus joke or posting he is guilty until innocent or piling on, then it's a sycophantic post?

@TxnsJuggernaut1 has tried to make an objective post without rushing to judgement or minimizing these allegations, yet it will be taken by many that he supports Watson or is minimizing the charges.
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Thanks Earl.
 
SnakeEyes said:
NO, because IF he said he had any issue he would be saying he was wrong. And he IS NOT going to say he did anything wrong. I don't know if he is just the type that won't say anything or if he (in his mind) thinks he is not guilty of anything. If so you may have to add another type of mental condition to the list
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Many addicts make excuses and do not accept that they have a problem until they are impacted in a negative way. A lot of time that does not even do it.
 
TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
Many addicts make excuses and do not accept that they have a problem until they are impacted in a negative way. A lot of time that does not even do it.
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I just got a call tonight and was told one of my best friends is in a coma due to a drug overdose.. He went missing last year (stopped talking to his family and friends), until he was picked up on a charge. Due to Covid, they don't keep people long at all. He got kicked right out on a P.R. bond. Was supposed to come straight home, he didn't, and went missing for 2 weeks. Now we get this call. It's a disease that just gets worse. His brother said it was heroin, he never did that **** before until last year.
 
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Carr Bombed said:
I just got a call tonight and was told one of my best friends is in a coma due to a drug overdose.. He went missing last year (stopped talking to his family and friends), until he was picked up on a charge. Due to Covid, they don't keep people long at all. He got kicked right out on a P.R. bond. Was supposed to come straight home, he didn't, and went missing for 2 weeks. Now we get this call. It's a disease that just gets worse. His brother said it was heroin, he never did that **** before.
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Sorry for y’all lose and prayers and condolences to you and his family.
 
Carr Bombed said:
I just got a call tonight and was told one of my best friends is in a coma due to a drug overdose.. He went missing last year (stopped talking to his family and friends), until he was picked up on a charge. Due to Covid, they don't keep people long at all. He got kicked right out on a P.R. bond. Was supposed to come straight home, he didn't, and went missing for 2 weeks. Now we get this call. It's a disease that just gets worse. His brother said it was heroin, he never did that **** before until last year.
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Very sorry to hear that. Praying for you and your friend.
 
Earl34 said:
Out of curiosity. Who are the Watson sycophants? I sense the majority of fans are disappointed, tired of this drama and ready to move on. However, no matter how a post is worded, unless it's an anus joke or posting he is guilty until innocent or piling on, then it's a sycophantic post?
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There is ZERO evidence that Deshaun Watson is a so-called "sexual addict". He has not admitted any wrongdoing, has not admitted that he has a problem, and there is nothing but those fans out there projecting their opinions that he is a victim of his own "addictions".

It's not even a medically accepted condition. All reputable medical establishments have studied it and arrived at a conclusion that there is no such thing as a "sex addict".

I've got a fairly extensive history in understanding various addictions, and I feel for those that struggle with it. It is disrespectful to those struggling with real addictions to basically build a facade of undeserved sympathy for a horny, rich egomaniac entertainer.

The fawning over this entertainer - and only because he's an entertainer - is the very definition of sycophant. He's done NOTHING to earn such misguided devotion except play football and entertain people.

It's nothing but a weak, unsupported defense for an alleged sexual predator, and there is no reason to continuously repeat it without evidence.
 
Carr Bombed said:
I just got a call tonight and was told one of my best friends is in a coma due to a drug overdose.. He went missing last year (stopped talking to his family and friends), until he was picked up on a charge. Due to Covid, they don't keep people long at all. He got kicked right out on a P.R. bond. Was supposed to come straight home, he didn't, and went missing for 2 weeks. Now we get this call. It's a disease that just gets worse. His brother said it was heroin, he never did that **** before until last year.
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Man, I'm sorry to read this.

THIS is the reality of true addictions. I hope and pray that your friend can find his way out. All too often we lose these people without them ever finding that saving grace.

Your post is the story of true addiction, not some rich, horny entertainer on the back of a wave runner acting like a little biatch while his message to the world is relayed through an Instagram thot.

I've got a couple of friends that are struggling right now. One just told me this a.m. that he's started going to AA on Sunday, as his life is on a downward spiral. The other friend is a few weeks clean after dealing with multiple addictions. Both were headed toward bad places in life.

Real addictions are the devil.
 
Carr Bombed said:
I just got a call tonight and was told one of my best friends is in a coma due to a drug overdose.. He went missing last year (stopped talking to his family and friends), until he was picked up on a charge. Due to Covid, they don't keep people long at all. He got kicked right out on a P.R. bond. Was supposed to come straight home, he didn't, and went missing for 2 weeks. Now we get this call. It's a disease that just gets worse. His brother said it was heroin, he never did that **** before until last year.
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Sorry to hear about your friend. Yes addictions suck. Being a former porn addict I just wish people would take porn and sex addictions more seriously. Like any other addiction they can lead to bad things and ruin many lives.
 
Double Barrel said:
Man, I'm sorry to read this.

THIS is the reality of true addictions. I hope and pray that your friend can find his way out. All too often we lose these people without them ever finding that saving grace.

Your post is the story of true addiction, not some rich, horny entertainer on the back of a wave runner acting like a little biatch while his message to the world is relayed through an Instagram thot.

I've got a couple of friends that are struggling right now. One just told me this a.m. that he's started going to AA on Sunday, as his life is on a downward spiral. The other friend is a few weeks clean after dealing with multiple addictions. Both were headed toward bad places in life.

Real addictions are the devil.
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People here know my story - 30 years of battling alcohol and drug addiction until a liver transplant when I was 44 years old. And even after all that I still struggled.

I'm working at TDCJ now, Gist Unit in Beaumont. I have a caseload of 67 "clients" and every single one of them have at one point or another either seen drugs take a life close to them and/or taken a life while intoxicated/high (and a lot more life's in part from the introducing drugs to other people but that's a different story). Every one of them have a drug felony charge and they all tell me it's more "the life" than the drug itself. And from a personal experience, I had to say goodbye to 30 year old "partners" - the drugs/alcohol and "the life", the only two things that were "normal" to me. And that's not even taking into account the biological aspects of the addiction.

I have no empathy for Watson. His life (even now) has been a fairytale in comparison to those who struggle with alcohol and drug addiction/substance use disorder.
 
thunderkyss said:
We've got a lot more than that. Perhaps you should go back through this thread & catch up.

Be nice if the rest of us didn't have to go through this again.
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So Buzbee is concerned because Rusty Hardin, the lawyer representing Watson, has a son on the department's command staff.

How freaking convenient!
 
banned1976 said:
People here know my story - 30 years of battling alcohol and drug addiction until a liver transplant when I was 44 years old. And even after all that I still struggled.

I'm working at TDCJ now, Gist Unit in Beaumont. I have a caseload of 67 "clients" and every single one of them have at one point or another either seen drugs take a life close to them and/or taken a life while intoxicated/high (and a lot more life's in part from the introducing drugs to other people but that's a different story). Every one of them have a drug felony charge and they all tell me it's more "the life" than the drug itself. And from a personal experience, I had to say goodbye to 30 year old "partners" - the drugs/alcohol and "the life", the only two things that were "normal" to me. And that's not even taking into account the biological aspects of the addiction.

I have no empathy for Watson. His life (even now) has been a fairytale in comparison to those who struggle with alcohol and drug addiction/substance use disorder.
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Nm
 
banned1976 said:
His life (even now) has been a fairytale in comparison to those who struggle with alcohol and drug addiction/substance use disorder.
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Many times sex addictions are accompanied by substance abuse addictions or atleast the use of illicit substances. It is quite possible that DW4 was using an illicit substance or substances prior to his ineteractions with the women he came into contact with.

While research on the subject of sex addictions is inconclusive I can assure you that sex addictions affect lives in a negative way. Yes substance abuse is worse but sex addiction can cause suffering to the people the addicts love, and as far as all other people, they may lead to aggressive behavior which leads to sexual assaults and the like.

As I have stated, that does not mean I think DW4 should be let off the hook if he is found guilty of the crimes he is said to have commited. While it may be hard to control your actions when you are a sex addict, you still know right from wrong and can still make the choice to seek help and learn coping mechanisms so as not to act on your urges.

Porn at one time controlled me and got in the way of me having healthy and normal relationships. After so many relationship failures I hit rock bottom so I learned coping skills and made myself better. I still have urges and a desire to act out unhealthy sex acts but I force myself to overcome them just as some people like my mother, "due to a heart attack," stopped smoking cold turkey.

I make no excuses for DW4 but I do not think he was acting the way he was simply due to him feeling entitled or full of himself. He most likely has a problem. The sheer number of women he has come into contact with, "supposedly for massages," is not the beahvior of someone in their right mind. As I said, if DW4 is found guilty I hope he pays a fortune and is punished to full extent of the law. That is what is needed a lot of times to wake some people up who have an addiction or have addictions.

If Bill Cosby can spend a long time in jail and pay a fortune than so can DW4.
 
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