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Ryan Mallett

So we've eliminated Mallett starting until Fitz is clearly the virtually singular cause of 2-3 losses in a row AND we've eliminated garbage time in a blowout win. So is the only acceptable porridge to put him into a blowout loss caused singularly by Fitz'? Is there any acceptable scenario for the Fitzilockers?
 
So we've eliminated Mallett starting until Fitz is clearly the virtually singular cause of 2-3 losses in a row AND we've eliminated garbage time in a blowout win. So is the only acceptable porridge to put him into a blowout loss caused singularly by Fitz'? Is there any acceptable scenario for the Fitzilockers?

You forgot no shot at the playoffs as well, can't see Mallett until then either. This situation makes me ill.
 
So we've eliminated Mallett starting until Fitz is clearly the virtually singular cause of 2-3 losses in a row AND we've eliminated garbage time in a blowout win. So is the only acceptable porridge to put him into a blowout loss caused singularly by Fitz'? Is there any acceptable scenario for the Fitzilockers?

I'm not the one writing the scenarios. I'm just trying to be realistic about them and am open to seeing things from O'Brien's perspective. It's clear that he believes Fitz is the best chance of winning and it's clear that he cares more about winning now than experimenting with his other QB's. Take that however you will but the guy came here to win and that's what he's trying to do.

Honestly, I don't think this would be nearly as big an issue at all if Mallett had another year left on his contract. People are panicking because of the idea that we might let him walk without taking a meaningful snap. I don't think that will happen, but it appears that's what people are scared of. The unknown. What if Mallett walks and turns out to be good and we let him slip through our fingers? You just need to swallow that and have faith that if Mallett was better than Ryan Fitzpatrick then he would be our starting QB. That's probably a tough pill to swallow for most of you, but I have faith in O'Brien so I choose to trust him on this issue.
 
I'm not the one writing the scenarios. I'm just trying to be realistic about them and am open to seeing things from O'Brien's perspective. It's clear that he believes Fitz is the best chance of winning and it's clear that he cares more about winning now than experimenting with his other QB's. Take that however you will but the guy came here to win and that's what he's trying to do.

Honestly, I don't think this would be nearly as big an issue at all if Mallett had another year left on his contract. People are panicking because of the idea that we might let him walk without taking a meaningful snap. I don't think that will happen, but it appears that's what people are scared of. The unknown. What if Mallett walks and turns out to be good and we let him slip through our fingers? You just need to swallow that and have faith that if Mallett was better than Ryan Fitzpatrick then he would be our starting QB. That's probably a tough pill to swallow for most of you, but I have faith in O'Brien so I choose to trust him on this issue.

So Houston fans have been clamoring for a strong armed QB for a very long time now. Now we finally have one, and he is riding the pine and not getting any playing time at all in a rebuilding year. Even in a blow out win. You can put all the faith you want into Obie, but that does not mean the rest of the fan base will. My personal opinion is Obie should earn that trust, not get it by default. Obie needs to show me he is any different than Kubiak. He is riding with his QB regardless, so as far as I can see, there is no difference in that regard.
 
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I'm not the one writing the scenarios. I'm just trying to be realistic about them and am open to seeing things from O'Brien's perspective. It's clear that he believes Fitz is the best chance of winning and it's clear that he cares more about winning now than experimenting with his other QB's. Take that however you will but the guy came here to win and that's what he's trying to do.

Honestly, I don't think this would be nearly as big an issue at all if Mallett had another year left on his contract. People are panicking because of the idea that we might let him walk without taking a meaningful snap. I don't think that will happen, but it appears that's what people are scared of. The unknown. What if Mallett walks and turns out to be good and we let him slip through our fingers? You just need to swallow that and have faith that if Mallett was better than Ryan Fitzpatrick then he would be our starting QB. That's probably a tough pill to swallow for most of you, but I have faith in O'Brien so I choose to trust him on this issue.

A post that makes complete sense. Yet all the Madden superheroes on here actually believe that they know more about quarterbacking than Bill O'Brien, a man who coached Tom Brady and has chosen Ryan Fitzpatrick to lead his offense.
 
So Houston fans have been clamoring for a strong armed QB for a very long time now. Now we finally have one, and he is riding the pine and not getting any playing time at all in a rebuilding year. Even in a blow out win. You can put all the faith you want into Obie, but that does not mean the rest of the fan base will. My personal opinionis Obie should earn that trust, not get it by default. Obie needs to show me he is any different than Kubiak. He is riding with his QB regardless, so as far as I can see, there is no difference in that regard.

I seriously doubt Bill O'Brien gives two you-know-whats about what Houston fans have been clamoring for. He undoubtedly believes that he knows more than we do and, let's be real, he in all probability does. Yes it is a rebuilding year, but you'd be hard pressed to convince competitive people to not try and do their best. He wants to win as many games as possible and he thinks Fitzpatrick gives him the best chance. Are we really going to hold that against him?

Yes he is riding with his QB, but then again, I don't think he ever acquired Mallett with any intention of him supplanting Fitzpatrick. He ditched Keenum and Yates and brought in a guy who had 3 years experience in the system and could spot play in case of an injury. That probably pisses a lot of you off, but it is what it is. He sees these guys every day so he probably knows more about it than we do.

And sure, O'Brien should earn the trust, but I've followed his career for some time and I have faith. There seem to be many who will refuse to give it to him as long as they don't get what they want and their guy isn't playing QB. In half a season he's won twice as many games as his predecessor. Maybe he's earned a little bit of leash.
 
So Houston fans have been clamoring for a strong armed QB for a very long time now. Now we finally have one, and he is riding the pine and not getting any playing time at all in a rebuilding year. Even in a blow out win. You can put all the faith you want into Obie, but that does not mean the rest of the fan base will. My personal opinionis Obie should earn that trust, not get it by default. Obie needs to show me he is any different than Kubiak. He is riding with his QB regardless, so as far as I can see, there is no difference in that regard.
OB doesn't need to show us anything except to focus on his coaching. I sure as hell don't want a coach making decisions based on fans reactions. If all coaches does that the turnovers rate of coaching jobs would be in chaos and half the team will be stuck with a Tebow-like players on their roster.
 
its on a 2 week basis IMO with fitz he cant be the reason we lose to philly this is a big game for him IMO cus u obvs don't want a bad game going into the bye u don't wanna leave any doubt that u can hold on to the starting QB job
 
I'm not the one writing the scenarios. I'm just trying to be realistic about them and am open to seeing things from O'Brien's perspective. It's clear that he believes Fitz is the best chance of winning and it's clear that he cares more about winning now than experimenting with his other QB's. Take that however you will but the guy came here to win and that's what he's trying to do.

Who was more important to that win, Foster or Fitzpatrick?

Which one's back up's back up got to take snaps?

If we were going to lose that game, it would have been because we stopped giving the ball to Foster.

Honestly, I don't think this would be nearly as big an issue at all if Mallett had another year left on his contract.

If he had another year on his contract, it would be easier for me to believe he isn't starting because Fitzpatrick is better.

I'd believe Fitzpatrick was better if our game plan was something other than "hand the ball off to Arian." If we were game planning against each team, if we were creating & taking advantage of mismatches. But since we're seeing a vanilla offense week after week, it's very difficult to believe the best QB is starting.

What if Mallett walks and turns out to be good and we let him slip through our fingers? You just need to swallow that and have faith that if Mallett was better than Ryan Fitzpatrick then he would be our starting QB. That's probably a tough pill to swallow for most of you, but I have faith in O'Brien so I choose to trust him on this issue.

I had an idea what Bortles, Bridgewater, & Mettneberger were going to look like once they took the field. I've got an idea what JFF is going to look like once he takes the field. David Carr is the only one that surprised me so far.

I'm pretty sure OB has an idea, I'm pretty sure Godsey has an idea. & I don't think we would have traded for him if they didn't think he was as good or better than Fitzpatrick.

Don't get me wrong, I was just saying that we need to stop complaining with Fitz & just get with the program, they've got their reason for doing what they're doing. I don't know what it is, but if they set the standard for a starting QB at Fitzpatrick & then traded for a guy who is worse....

man, I don't even want to think about that.
 
I wuz worng.

I thought that the only reason they signed Fitzpatrick was to be the backup to a young starter being groomed for the future... and I expected that young starter to be starting fairly early on, probably in that Monday Night game if not sooner.

When we traded for Mallett, I thought for sure that meant they were giving up on Savage being ready to start at any time this season and were going with Plan B. I thought they were going to let Fitzpatrick start a game or two and then bring Mallett in.

I consider Mallett a clear upgrade to Fitzpatrick. BUT. I'm no coach and I'm not at their practices working with these players and seeing where everyone is at.

OB may be going with Fitzpatrick because he feels he made a commitment to him and he doesn't want to go back on his word. And since we've been "winning" so far, he hasn't seen the opportunity to sit him down. I hope OB is dedicated to putting the players out there that give us the best chance to win and doesn't feel shackled by some ill-conceived commitment.

The fact that OB has said that we will see Mallett at some point this year is interesting and I don't know exactly what it means.

I don't expect to see Mallett until after the bye-week at this point, if at all.
 
Who was more important to that win, Foster or Fitzpatrick?

Which one's back up's back up got to take snaps?

If we were going to lose that game, it would have been because we stopped giving the ball to Foster.

Foster is obviously the more important player. I don't see how my argument challenged that assertion at all. With that said, you can't have Foster touch the ball on every play. We are making a concerted effort to reduce his touches and keep him fresh. It made sense to rest him at the end. Also, I was arguing for Mallett to be inserted late in the game. Go check the game thread if you don't believe me.


If he had another year on his contract, it would be easier for me to believe he isn't starting because Fitzpatrick is better.

I'd believe Fitzpatrick was better if our game plan was something other than "hand the ball off to Arian." If we were game planning against each team, if we were creating & taking advantage of mismatches. But since we're seeing a vanilla offense week after week, it's very difficult to believe the best QB is starting.

How does how many years he has left have any impact on how good he actually is? He's either better than Fitz or he's not. Having 1 or 2 years left on his contract doesn't change that. It only increases or decreases the fans desperation to see what he has before he's gone.

Also, is it so hard to believe that all our QB's are bad enough that we have to game plan this way? It's only the starter who has to be game planned around? We wouldn't have to game plan around Mallett's or Savage's faults if they started but we do have to game plan around Fitz? We just choose to start Fitz anyway because "**** it that's why"?


Don't get me wrong, I was just saying that we need to stop complaining with Fitz & just get with the program, they've got their reason for doing what they're doing. I don't know what it is,

Which is what I've been saying all along.

but if they set the standard for a starting QB at Fitzpatrick & then traded for a guy who is worse....

man, I don't even want to think about that.

They cut a guy who they thought was worse and traded another they thought was worse. They then traded for a guy who they (apparently) think is worse, but who also has 3 more years experience in the offense than those other 2 guys combined.

Is it that hard to see the logic there? In their minds they probably think they upgraded the QB position because the backup job is more secure now.
 
When we traded for Mallett, I thought for sure that meant they were giving up on Savage being ready to start at any time this season and were going with Plan B. I thought they were going to let Fitzpatrick start a game or two and then bring Mallett in.

I don't think anybody in the organization saw Savage as the Plan A going into this year. It was very out in the open about how he was not yet ready.
 
Well hopefully the front office eye balls a Qb in draft next year. Because Houston is not going finish poor enough to draft a top tier guy.
 
I don't think anybody in the organization saw Savage as the Plan A going into this year. It was very out in the open about how he was not yet ready.

I don't expect a good organization to tell me the truth. I don't care how "open" an organization is about their personnel, I expect all of that to be smoke and mirrors. Same with injury reports.

I don't think Fitzpatrick was meant to be Plan A as the starter, at least not for the full season. I think they expected to draft someone to be the Franchise but things didn't go that way. Whether they ended up not liking anyone in this draft or whether they missed out on guys they expected to be able to draft because someone else snapped them up, I don't know. They ended up with Savage as the only QB from the draft and Keenum/Yates as the only other alternative.
 
How does how many years he has left have any impact on how good he actually is? He's either better than Fitz or he's not. Having 1 or 2 years left on his contract doesn't change that.

If we traded a conditional 6th/7th round pick two drafts from now for a back up QB with 2 years left on his contract, then the guy can't be any good. In my mind, the cost to us was so low because all indications are that Mallet is not interested in any contract the Texans are willing to offer him right now.

Also, is it so hard to believe that all our QB's are bad enough that we have to game plan this way? It's only the starter who has to be game planned around? We wouldn't have to game plan around Mallett's or Savage's faults if they started but we do have to game plan around Fitz? We just choose to start Fitz anyway because "**** it that's why"?

Yeah, that's hard to believe. I can't think of any scenario that makes OB look good if this is in fact the case.

Well, unless OB expects Fitzpatrick's experience to lead to huge jumps in our offenses progression. In which case I figured we'd have seen something tangible by now... & depending on which way you lean your head, it is possible to say it's there.

Not that Fitzpatrick is Tom Brady, but New England's offense went from, "even worse than ours" to "Super Bowl worthy" in what six weeks? Then maybe we can have a play-off worthy offense by week 10, or week 12.

They cut a guy who they thought was worse and traded another they thought was worse. They then traded for a guy who they (apparently) think is worse, but who also has 3 more years experience in the offense than those other 2 guys combined.

Is it that hard to see the logic there? In their minds they probably think they upgraded the QB position because the backup job is more secure now.

With what I see on the field... yeah. With what we do know now, it's hard to believe they think anyone is worse. They're not asking him to do more than you'd expect a rookie to do. So they bring in a guy who's been in the system for three years & they don't expect him to do any more than a rookie?

I'm sorry, that's a tough sell. You don't need knowledge of this "complicated" system to hand the ball to Arian Foster. Keenum could have done that just as well & we'd still have that 6th/7th to turn our late fifth round pick into a higher fifth round pick.
 
If we traded a conditional 6th/7th round pick two drafts from now for a back up QB with 2 years left on his contract, then the guy can't be any good. In my mind, the cost to us was so low because all indications are that Mallet is not interested in any contract the Texans are willing to offer him right now.



Yeah, that's hard to believe. I can't think of any scenario that makes OB look good if this is in fact the case.

Well, unless OB expects Fitzpatrick's experience to lead to huge jumps in our offenses progression. In which case I figured we'd have seen something tangible by now... & depending on which way you lean your head, it is possible to say it's there.

Not that Fitzpatrick is Tom Brady, but New England's offense went from, "even worse than ours" to "Super Bowl worthy" in what six weeks? Then maybe we can have a play-off worthy offense by week 10, or week 12.



With what I see on the field... yeah. With what we do know now, it's hard to believe they think anyone is worse. They're not asking him to do more than you'd expect a rookie to do. So they bring in a guy who's been in the system for three years & they don't expect him to do any more than a rookie?

I'm sorry, that's a tough sell. You don't need knowledge of this "complicated" system to hand the ball to Arian Foster. Keenum could have done that just as well & we'd still have that 6th/7th to turn our late fifth round pick into a higher fifth round pick.

They threw the ball 35 times last game - didn't just "hand off to Arian", and it was clear that BOB wanted to take several shots down the field, but the o-line could not hold their blocks, particularly on play action passes. No QB would have been able to make big plays. Did you happen to see how much time Big Ben had in the pocket against Indy? I would guess at least double that what Fitz had. Fitz has demonstrated that he can make some plays down the field, but not with guys hitting him constantly. Do you honestly think that Mallet or Savage, with their limited mobility will magically make something happen without time to throw and make proper reads? Are you not watching these games?? These points are pretty straightforward, actually...
 
They threw the ball 35 times last game - didn't just "hand off to Arian", and it was clear that BOB wanted to take several shots down the field, but the o-line could not hold their blocks, particularly on play action passes. No QB would have been able to make big plays. Did you happen to see how much time Big Ben had in the pocket against Indy? I would guess at least double that what Fitz had. Fitz has demonstrated that he can make some plays down the field, but not with guys hitting him constantly. Do you honestly think that Mallet or Savage, with their limited mobility will magically make something happen without time to throw and make proper reads? Are you not watching these games?? These points are pretty straightforward, actually...

Fitz can make his own luck behind the line. Ben gets time because he'll hurt you if you blitz him. Our OL looked like crap because David Carr couldn't. If you can't beat the blitz, they'll sell out. Not just pinning their ears, but they'll send 7 guys to get your QB even if you've got 5 receivers & a TE in a pattern.

Ben's OL sucks & so does Lucks. They're just better than Fitzpatrick. They're not making plays on the run because it's cool.

Fitzpatrick threw the ball 35 times, but we ran the ball 40 times.
 
I had a post in another thread I don't think anyone took seriously - I don't think it got any response. But Mallet will probably be gone at the end of the season. And it looks like OB doesn't like to start a young, unproven QB to run his complicated offense. Even if we draft a QB this next year, with Fritz having another year on his contract, we could see him starting next September. Better get used to the idea.
 
Again, I'm trying to get behind Fitz... I really am. But don't blow smoke. The guy wouldn't be in the league if we didn't sign him. He's not just a failed QB, he's a failed back up QB.


There's got to be a reason OB is starting him, but it's not because he's "better" than anyone.
 
I had a post in another thread I don't think anyone took seriously - I don't think it got any response. But Mallet will probably be gone at the end of the season. And it looks like OB doesn't like to start a young, unproven QB to run his complicated offense. Even if we draft a QB this next year, with Fritz having another year on his contract, we could see him starting next September. Better get used to the idea.

That makes a lot of sense.

If we draft a guy next year, or if Savage is "scheduled" to debut sometime next year... that makes sense.

Doesn't make sense to bench Fitz, start Mallet, let him walk, then start Fitz next season.
 
Fitz can make his own luck behind the line. Ben gets time because he'll hurt you if you blitz him. Our OL looked like crap because David Carr couldn't. If you can't beat the blitz, they'll sell out. Not just pinning their ears, but they'll send 7 guys to get your QB even if you've got 5 receivers & a TE in a pattern.

Ben's OL sucks & so does Lucks. They're just better than Fitzpatrick. They're not making plays on the run because it's cool.

Big Ben did nothing great against the Texans except being the beneficiary of a complete 24 point meltdown. Had the Steelers had the same meltdown, Fitz and the Texans win handily. It's also amazing to think that with Big Ben throwing at will against the Colts for record yards that they would not at some point send the blitz. They actually did quite often in the second half, but the line picked it up for him time and time again. Furthermore, Fitzpatrick was often pressured with a simple four man rush. Have you seen the missed blocks and whiffs by our line, not to mention players simply getting manhandled? Indy's line is also quite a bit better than ours. The fact that Luck dropped back to pass, what 60 times against the Steelers and the fact that they fell way behind due to bad defense and Luck's poorly thrown pick six, may have had something to do with the pressure he was getting. As it pertains to the Texans, with Arian Foster running that well, there is absolutely no excuse in the world for 2 or 3 guys to be getting into the backfield, blitz or not. No matter what team Fitz has played for, he has not been a highly sacked quarterback (in fact, he is known for making lines look better and for having a quick release), but this team takes pass protection to a whole new level of low.
 
Big Ben did nothing great against the Texans except being the beneficiary of a complete 24 point meltdown. Had the Steelers had the same meltdown, Fitz and the Texans win handily. It's also amazing to think that with Big Ben throwing at will against the Colts for record yards that they would not at some point send the blitz. They actually did quite often in the second half, but the line picked it up for him time and time again. Furthermore, Fitzpatrick was often pressured with a simple four man rush. Have you seen the missed blocks and whiffs by our line, not to mention players simply getting manhandled? Indy's line is also quite a bit better than ours. The fact that Luck dropped back to pass, what 60 times against the Steelers and the fact that they fell way behind due to bad defense and Luck's poorly thrown pick six, may have had something to do with the pressure he was getting. As it pertains to the Texans, with Arian Foster running that well, there is absolutely no excuse in the world for 2 or 3 guys to be getting into the backfield, blitz or not. No matter what team Fitz has played for, he has not been a highly sacked quarterback (in fact, he is known for making lines look better and for having a quick release), but this team takes pass protection to a whole new level of low.

Yeah we get it... you think if Fitz only had a decent team then he would be a great QB.

That must be a lonely island you're on

Most here think that if Fitz was even a decent QB he could overcome some of the shortcomings and gaffs of others like most starting quarterbacks have to do from time to time
 
Furthermore, Fitzpatrick was often pressured with a simple four man rush. Have you seen the missed blocks and whiffs by our line, not to mention players simply getting manhandled? Indy's line is also quite a bit better than ours.

We've got issues. We're not perfect. Neither are the Colts OL, or the Steelers. Remember that Whitney Mercilus guy who took 2013 off? Last two weeks he's starting to look like a pass rusher.

I wish Fitzpatrick the best, I really do. If you raised him, kudos on raising a fine young man. If he's your sibling, I appreciate you supporting him. If he's your friend, you're a good judge of character.

But tell him that if we're going to go 4-4 or better over the next eight games, he needs to get the ball 20+ yards down field in a hurry. If he makes good throws more times than not, it will back the pressure up. If he misses once or twice, that still keeps the other team honest. But you can't go away from it. If you end up throwing it to the other team to often, they'll keep sending them. They'll be relentless.

Throwing the ball more than 20 yards down field only twice a game isn't going to get it done.
 
I had a post in another thread I don't think anyone took seriously - I don't think it got any response. But Mallet will probably be gone at the end of the season. And it looks like OB doesn't like to start a young, unproven QB to run his complicated offense. Even if we draft a QB this next year, with Fritz having another year on his contract, we could see him starting next September. Better get used to the idea.

Oh I took it seriously as I had suggested something similar. It just made me so sick to my stomach to consider that I think I could not muster the strength to agree with you in fear I might have a nervous breakdown thinking about it.

We've got issues. We're not perfect. Neither are the Colts OL, or the Steelers. Remember that Whitney Mercilus guy who took 2013 off? Last two weeks he's starting to look like a pass rusher.

I wish Fitzpatrick the best, I really do. If you raised him, kudos on raising a fine young man. If he's your sibling, I appreciate you supporting him. If he's your friend, you're a good judge of character.

But tell him that if we're going to go 4-4 or better over the next eight games, he needs to get the ball 20+ yards down field in a hurry. If he makes good throws more times than not, it will back the pressure up. If he misses once or twice, that still keeps the other team honest. But you can't go away from it. If you end up throwing it to the other team to often, they'll keep sending them. They'll be relentless.

Throwing the ball more than 20 yards down field only twice a game isn't going to get it done.

I don't know if you saw my pass distribution breakdown the Titans game or not. To be fair he threw it 3 times 20+ yards but only completed 1 of three. But that was against what was clearly a porous defense. Most everything else is 10 yards or less. Keep in mind there were 2-3 batted passes that could have easily been INT's so we actually got lucky and the blowout could have been in reverse had 2 of those batted passes were picked off.

His chart obviously looked better than any game so far, but again -- consider the competition.
 
Yeah we get it... you think if Fitz only had a decent team then he would be a great QB.

That must be a lonely island you're on

Most here think that if Fitz was even a decent QB he could overcome some of the shortcomings and gaffs of others like most starting quarterbacks have to do from time to time

Noone here thinks he'd be a "great" qb under any circumstance...that's just the silly arguments you guys try to make. Its either all or nothing with you guys.


Annnndddd i don't know what games you've been watching, but he is doing the bolded....had to do it early on in the Tenn game twice and there have been a number of times he's saved the o-line and rb's ass and escaped and made something out of nothing throughout this season. But there's "time to time" as you say and then there's too much of the time. & at least early on in games he's having to bob and weave way too much back there. & if any qb has to do that too much, they're gonna make more mistakes than they'd like to make b/c they can't get settled.
 
I read this quote on Facebook earlier......no link to back it up so take it FWIW....


"Ryan Mallett walks in and Coincidentally the Texans closed the locker room to media. Hmmm"

Reported by different reporters all over Twitter. Think BOB has just had enough of the foolishness social media has caused the last 24 hours.
 
It's just aggravating to not at least see what the guy can do. If he comes in and sucks, so be it. Then we will finally see what he's all about.
 
It's just aggravating to not at least see what the guy can do. If he comes in and sucks, so be it. Then we will finally see what he's all about.

I really do understand wanting to see anybody at QB other than Fitz. I get why everyone is so desperate around here.

But what I don't understand is why everyone is so excited about a QB that Belichick basically gave away for nothing. What exactly do you guys expect to see?

Either way it looks bad. He's likely going to suck, so we can just prepare ourselves for that. Which means that we traded a 7th round pick for a guy who we knew all along was just going to be a backup. That's not anything crazy but we already had a bad backup QB. We could have kept him and saved the pick.

If he plays well, that means our "QB guru" coach has been trotting a dog turd out on the field all year when he had a better player sitting right in front of his face.

Either way, we're a team without a competent QB or a team without a competent head coach.
 
I really do understand wanting to see anybody at QB other than Fitz. I get why everyone is so desperate around here.

But what I don't understand is why everyone is so excited about a QB that Belichick basically gave away for nothing. What exactly do you guys expect to see?

Either way it looks bad. He's likely going to suck, so we can just prepare ourselves for that. Which means that we traded a 7th round pick for a guy who we knew all along was just going to be a backup. That's not anything crazy but we already had a bad backup QB.

If he plays well, that means our "QB guru" coach has been trotting a dog turd out on the field all year when he had a better player sitting right in front of his face.
I'm not expecting him to come in and be the next Montana, just let's see what he can do. At this point, it sure can't hurt.
 
But what I don't understand is why everyone is so excited about a QB that Belichick basically gave away for nothing.

I don't know that we're excited about Mallet... just tired of what we've been seeing.

Arian has been a beast all year. Hopkins looks like the real deal. Jj is the best defensive player in the game & we're wasting it all on Fitzpatrick. We should have won at least 5 games by now... not woulda coulda shoulda crap... a better QB would've won at least one of four of our losses....

A 9-7 team is going to get to the playoffs, may even win our division & a lot of us are going to be saying we just weren't good enough & that's bull... our QB wasn't good enough.
 
I'm not expecting him to come in and be the next Montana, just let's see what he can do. At this point, it sure can't hurt.

That's the worst reason to switch QBs. If that's the only reason to put Mallett in the game, then I agree with OB.. what's the point in proving what I already know? It should be about winning & we're not winning with Fitz.... we'll we're not beating the heavy weights & we need to win two heavy weight fights coming up if we're going to have a chance at playing in the post season.
 
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Addressing the offense, OB is quoted as saying, after the game : "It's too inconsistent. It's just way too inconsistent and it has to get better. I've got to figure it out with the coaching staff."

The only variable which hasn't been altered, or tried, in the first half of the season, and which is within our power to change this late into the season, is the quarterback position. I said a good time ago that the bye week was the reasonable time to evaluate the team and make changes. If OB meant what he is quoted as saying, maybe we'll see Mallet.
 
I don't know that we're excited about Mallet... just tired of what we've been seeing.

Arian has been a beast all year. Hopkins looks like the real deal. Jj is the best defensive player in the game & we're wasting it all on Fitzpatrick. We should have won at least 5 games by now... not woulda coulda shoulda crap... a better QB would've won at least one of four of our losses....

A 9-7 team is going to get to the playoffs, may even win our division & a lot of us are going to be saying we just weren't good enough & that's bull... our QB wasn't good enough.

Would you be satisfied if we put in Mallet and finished 5-11 or 6-10?
 
That's the worst reason to switch QBs. If that's the only reason to put Mallett in the game, then I agree with OB.. what's the point in proving what I already know? It should be about winning & we're not winning with Fitz.... we'll we're not beating the heavy weights & we need to win two heavy weight fights coming up if we're going to have a chance at playing in the post season.

With Mallett the best case scenario is he sparks a fire in this offense and we make a playoff push. Worst case is you figured out he's not the future of this team. Mallett is in a contract year and I would hate to see him join the Titans or another QB starved team and solve their QB problems.

With Fitzpatrick we've lost four of our last five and he is a huge reason why. We have Cleveland & Cincinnati coming on the schedule and I have very little reason to believe we can win either game with him at the helm. Especially when we're probably not going to have Foster running the football. We need more than mistake free, conservative football if we're going to be without Foster.
 
That's the worst reason to switch QBs. If that's the only reason to put Mallett in the game, then I agree with OB.. what's the point in proving what I already know? It should be about winning & we're not winning with Fitz.... we'll we're not beating the heavy weights & we need to win two heavy weight fights coming up if we're going to have a chance at playing in the post season.

We don't have a chance to play in the post season. That was it last week. 5 teams have better records than us and aren't even the 6 that are in.

I was fine with having hope until the Eagles loss, but now it's time to figure out if Mallet can play. I'm highly skeptical, and odds are he's going to be worse than Fitzpatrick. However, I know without a shadow of a doubt Fitzpatrick isn't the answer. The seasons over. We might as take a chance on Mallet.
 
Bob is a, gamer he will not announce to the media that Mallett is, the, starter till hes, on the field for cle


But they will pepare, for him prob starting now

Or maybe they will let Fitz have one more chance but he will be on a short leash like if we are not winning by halftime hes, done
 
Yes, because we ARE NOT finishing better than 7-9 with Fitzpatrick. What does 7-9 get us? Crappier draft position.

Just trying to figure out where everyone is coming from.

There seems to be two groups within the fan base right now:

1. Those who have given up on the season and want Mallett to play so we can see what he's got.

2. Those who think making a change at QB will give us a better chance to win now, despite the fact that Mallett has so far been unable to beat out Fitz, who we all know for sure is terrible.

Put me in camp #1. I'd like to think that O'Brien wouldn't be throwing Fitz out there every week if he thought Mallett was better. Having said that, I don't think this is a playoff team with either guy, but going into next year I'd like to see Mallett get some playing time.
 
I think mallet needs to come in and see if he can provide a spark. We need to see what he can do. I don't really have playoff expectations especially with the way our offense is going, even with Foster being a beast. We got to find a way to keep the defense off of field. They are worn ass tired and injuries are mounting.

If mallet can't do it we lose nothing and he is gone at the end of the season anyway. If he does well. Well maybe re-sign him.

I know bill is protecting his players with "we have to do better coaching" I assume play calling but doesn't fitz have audibles within the set to call? Is it fitz not getting the players in the right spot?
 
Would you be satisfied if we put in Mallet and finished 5-11 or 6-10?

I definitely wouldn't be calling to put Fitzpatrick back in. If we end up going 5-11 or 6-10 you won't be because we swapped QBs.
 
We don't have a chance to play in the post season. That was it last week. 5 teams have better records than us and aren't even the 6 that are in.

I was fine with having hope until the Eagles loss, but now it's time to figure out if Mallet can play. I'm highly skeptical, and odds are he's going to be worse than Fitzpatrick. However, I know without a shadow of a doubt Fitzpatrick isn't the answer. The seasons over. We might as take a chance on Mallet.

It don't matter. Winning is the only thing that matters. Andre Johnson, Arian Foster, Jj Watt... they couldn't care less about answering next year's QB question. They don't want to lose. I want my HC & every coach on his staff thinking the same way.

So yeah, if Fitzpatrick gives us the best chance to win, he should play. I just don't believe Fitzpatrick gives us a chance to win, much less the best chance. I don't understand how someone can look at Fitz & say, "I can win with that." & not be able to say, "I can win with Sanchez/McCoy/Keenum/Yates/Vick/McCarron/Savage/Murray"

As long as the guy isn't shot like Schaub, or scared like Gabbert I don't see why you'd stick with Fitz after what we've seen the last 9 weeks.
 
I'd like to think that O'Brien wouldn't be throwing Fitz out there every week if he thought Mallett was better. Having said that, I don't think this is a playoff team with either guy, but going into next year I'd like to see Mallett get some playing time.

I'm hoping against hope that OB was trying to prove to Mallet that we can win without him, trying to get him to sign a team friendly deal for a team Mallet could care less about.
 
Reported by different reporters all over Twitter. Think BOB has just had enough of the foolishness social media has caused the last 24 hours.

Well, I've had enough of the foolishness of trotting Ryan Fitzpatrick out there every game.
 
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