Was it just Belichick or Belichick plus Mike Pereira? I'm thinking both; plus some folks who haven't been publically identified.
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Proposed 2015 NFL Rule Changes
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Was it just Belichick or Belichick plus Mike Pereira? I'm thinking both; plus some folks who haven't been publically identified.
Great article, and one that I will keep around for those that do not (or are unable to) comprehend the complexities of the story.
But anyone calling the NE head coach "Belicheat" is just ignorant, or they have an agenda, or both. Either way, their opinion on the subject becomes worthless to me because it reveals that they are unable to objectively analyze situations and must resort to emotion-driven perspectives often required by simpleton thought processes.
This part from the article cracked me up considering who did it:
I do not hold it against him, but in today's hyper-sensitive PC world, some football fans would have emotional breakdowns and become incessant whiners about it.
Troy Chapman
Rookie
3 proposed changes for the owners to vote on for extra points, next week at the spring meetings.
https://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/2015-playing-rule-proposal-no-14.pdf
https://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/2015-playing-rule-proposal-no-14.pdf
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
I just don't understand this damn near assault on the PAT rules. Moving the kick back to the 15 does NOT make it any more of a challenge. That's essentially a 25 yard FG. 98% of FGs between 20 and 29 yards were made last season. 98%! How does that make it more of a challenge?
If they are so hell bent on making the PAT a more challenging play, MAKE IT A DROP KICK! Hell, considering only 6 of 257 FGs attempted from inside 30 yards were missed, make any kick inside of 30 yards a drop kick.
Or, leave the damn game alone and quit trying to change everything that made it the multi-billion dollar juggernaut that it is.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Impressive rant, until this. Folks didn't used to make 100% of PATs. They're trying to "restore" it to being seen as a useful play where the result is in doubt rather than a waste of time.
There were 2 missed PATs in 2014. 2002 - 17, 2003 - 18. Still a small % but at least it wasn't like spotting a unicorn.
I'm with you. So teams got really good at it. That's their damn job. So now we're punishing success??
Jeez.
Leave it the hell alone.
Or if you want to do something, help the defense. Let them give each other a boost to get one guy high enough to block the kick. No off-sides though.
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
I'm with you. So teams got really good at it. That's their damn job. So now we're punishing success??
Jeez.
Leave it the hell alone.
Or if you want to do something, help the defense. Let them give each other a boost to get one guy high enough to block the kick. No off-sides though.
Should pro golf tournaments still be played on 5000 yd courses? Or should they continue to be challenging as golfers and equipment become better and better? That's how I see the PAT situation.
I'm in favor of doing something with it, drop kick is probably the best option. Still gives you an option for a surprise 2 pt try.
Troy Chapman
Rookie
As a fan, a 32 yard point after attempt to win the game is much more exciting vs. the 19 yard chip shot.
just do away with the kick PAT altogether. Go for two and then kickoff
It's not a waste of time. The PAT has a purpose. It gives you a little time to go to the restroom/concession stand/etc. Don't take that away, please.
Those 5000 yd courses had character. Trees, traps, deep rough, dog-legs, water hazards... you had to be precise and use course management, not just hit the ball a freakin' mile, to win.
Personally, and I know I'm alone in this, I think pro golfers ought have to use persimmon woods and blade irons (which some still do). Just like MLB players don't get to use aluminum bats. Let's see those bastards drive the ball 330 yds with persimmon.
LOL
I actually agree with you on this... and cut down on the number of clubs in the bag... no specialty club for every different condition and distance imaginable. Learn to alter your swing not your club
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
In our own worlds we could all come up with NEW rules to make things interesting. How about a series run not over multiple rounds on one course but with multiple courses and multiple clubs? Does that mean you're the best pure golfer?
To take a lesson from DB - there's no right or wrong, it's entertainment and what you find competitive/interesting.
Isn't that what the PGA Chamionship does? The fifth major?
I think the Pebble Beach Pro-Am does that. Well not the multiple clubs part - I'm not sure what you mean by that. Anywho, in the Pro-Am they play on three different courses (Pebble Beach Golf Links, Spyglass Hill Golf Course, and Monterey Peninsula Country Club) over the four-day event. The cut is made after 54 holes instead of the usual 36 so everyone plays each course.
I knew it was one of them
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
Oh, I don't disagree with any of this. I'd put restrictions on what kind of equipment they can use in golf. But that still means making things more difficult than they have to be. You either make the course longer or limit their clubs.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Was the point wrong or just my ignorance of a sport I like to play occasionally but monumentally enjoy ignoring?
FFS I will refrain from ...nvm
Edit, screw that, if you can do it without ever getting out of breath and I can do it once a year on any hole (defined as par) THEN IT AIN'T A ****IN APORT.
What other "sport" do they define normal and then they say you're great for beating normal?
I actually love playing golf. Just can't stand the ******* who normally are at the courses.
FFS I will refrain from ...nvm
Edit, screw that, if you can do it without ever getting out of breath and I can do it once a year on any hole (defined as par) THEN IT AIN'T A ****IN APORT.
What other "sport" do they define normal and then they say you're great for beating normal?
I actually love playing golf. Just can't stand the ******* who normally are at the courses.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
And I hate gay baby whales. Just to offend everyone.
Ifyd...
Ifyd...
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
I've always wanted to see a round of cross country golf where the tees and greens are selected at random rather than laid out. It would remind me of my own game that way.
First tee to 6th green. Hmm. Let's give this a little thought...
Do you get out of breath bass fishing? Or shooting skeet? Or target shooting. Or sitting in a deer blind waiting to ambush the bambi's you've been feeding corn to all year? I hear you're considered a sportman if you participate in those "activities".
Any sport that allows me to drink (not to excess) while I play yet not put myself in mortal danger while so doing is good by me.
Do you get out of breath bass fishing? Or shooting skeet? Or target shooting. Or sitting in a deer blind waiting to ambush the bambi's you've been feeding corn to all year? I hear you're considered a sportman if you participate in those "activities".
Any sport that allows me to drink (not to excess) while I play yet not put myself in mortal danger while so doing is good by me.
Those are not sports. They are hobbies.
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
I've had this same argument with some of my golf fan friends many times. To me golf is a recreational activity, and it's hard for me to think of it as a sport if you don't compete directly against an opponent.
At the same time, I realize that it takes a tremendous amount of skill to be good at it, and if there was one sport I'd want to be good enough to be a pro at, it would be golf.
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
LOL.
No need to stick gay baby whales into the same group with golf bros who spend a grand every year on a new set of latest golf clubs.
lol! I remember a bumper sticker back in the '80's that said "NUKE THE GAY UNBORN WHALES". Kinda' pushes everyone's buttons...and not much has changed in 3 decades.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Those are not sports. They are hobbies.
Or competitive activities. Something. Whatever label you want, but you're not an athlete. Hell a competitive paintballer is more of an athlete.
I agree it does take skill. So do pool, darts and jenga.
lol! I remember a bumper sticker back in the '80's that said "NUKE THE GAY UNBORN WHALES". Kinda' pushes everyone's buttons...and not much has changed in 3 decades.
That's exactly what I was thinking of. We used to have "offendall" competitions for improved versions.
I agree with just eliminating the kick, but I wouldn't make a two-point conversion mandatory. Instead award 7 for a TD. A team can then elect to go for two, but would forfeit their seventh point in doing so.
Score a TD - 7 points.
Go for two and miss - 6 points.
Go for two and convert - 8 points.
No wasted time, no useless plays, strategy still in effect.
I'll have to think on this awhile.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I'd be fine with that.
My preference though would be 2 pt as we have now and then a ranged kick attempt - 1 pt automatic, alternate 2 pts from 50 yds, 3 pts from 60 yds, 4 pts from 70 yds (it will happen eventually).
The point of the ranged kick being to keep more games theoretically possible late.
That leaves out quite a bit. Basically any judged event, and things like time-trial bicycling, Archery, Javelin, Shotput, Discus, etc.
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
OK, good point. I'd give all classic olympic sports an exemption.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Those are not sports. They are hobbies.
Perhaps we should agree to disagree on the semantics.
To me, competition makes it a sport. But not all sports require athletic competition so that gets another designation.
Hunting and fishing are stretches outside of tournament competition because the competition isn't human.
Golf is competitive, but while athletic ability helps, it is not required.
What many call sport is limited to Athletic Competition. This is too narrow definition and I choose to designate athletic competitions as a subset of sport in this game of semantics.
Ummm... yeah. That says ping-pong and badminton are sports but gymnastics or power lifting are not.
Except for, you know, the actual definition of the word:
"We" are not arguing about semantics. You are trying to change basic definitions. That's on you, not me.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
That is one definition of the word. I choose another.
Wikapedia
Sport (or sports) is all forms of usually competitive physical activity which,[1] through casual or organised participation, aim to use, maintain or improve physical ability and skills while providing entertainment to participants, and in some cases, spectators.
Dictionary.com
noun
1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
2. a particular form of this, especially in the out of doors.
3. diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime.
4. jest; fun; mirth; pleasantry: What he said in sport was taken seriously.
5. mockery; ridicule; derision: They made sport of him.
6. an object of derision; laughingstock.
7. something treated lightly or tossed about like a plaything.
Merriam-Webster
sport
noun
: a contest or game in which people do certain physical activities according to a specific set of rules and compete against each other
: sports in general
: a physical activity (such as hunting, fishing, running, swimming, etc.) that is done for enjoyment
Do you want to continue this or can you admit that semantics determine the choice of definition you choose to use? I simply DEFINED what I considered the elements which distinguish MY usage of that term from the way others choose to use it.
If there's a ball involved it is a sport.
Other things like swimming/skiing/archery etc.... is something you do, this is why the Olympics are called events and not sports. IMHO
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
The league will adjust quickly. Those needing to sit out for fear a coach under stress will play an injured player too soon should simply not suit out much like the college game.
I see no need to make any player inactive, but I propose a couple of new rules:
1. Ban non participants from the sidelines. I have no need to know if a player thinks he is OK or not or is mad etc. Perhaps require a location be set up for press access and require a member of the team to be available at all times from an hour before to an hour after the game or something similar and that they be updated with the information available on the sidelines as soon as practical.
All pre game and half time participants shall be restricted from the field until all the participants have left the field.
2. Replace team ball boys with officials assistants loyal only to the officials and the NFL.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
If drop kicks are instituted, you'll probably go from hardly seeing a PAT missed to a flicker follies play that will hardly hit.
Typical of your mindset, you are unable to comprehend what
conveys in my original message. Perhaps reading my posts is not for you. Too many nuances for your black and white worldview to process and understand.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Your original message is not clear since you choose to debate the certainty and clarity of definitions rather than simply make the one (of many) you choose known. I admit to not being a mind reader.Typical of your mindset, you are unable to comprehend what
You do not need to read minds when you can understand the basic intent of smileys. Nobody but you seems to be confused about something so simple.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Then leave the damn thing alone. Your reward for scoring a TD is an almost automatic extra point. I don't see why the powers that be are hell bent on punishing success.