TxnsJuggernaut
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My bad. I had defense of the Vikings on my mind who are to defense what the Falcons have been to offense. Of coarse last season the Falcons got off to a hot start and then imploded.
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Official Brock Osweiler MVP Watch Thread!
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Max
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Agreed. Nuk has been covered like a blanket all season long with rarely any separation -- there's no reason to give him a cushion until we prove we can give Os enough time to develop deeper patterns. I believe Braxton Miller is the key to get the passing game on track with the pass protection issues we have. The middle of the field has not been attacked like it needs to be and we can get safety help leaning that way if we can consistently exploit the seams which will loosen things up for Nuk on the outside. I keep hearing that we run NE's offense but ours doesn't closely resemble NE's until we can get the ball to the slot receiver on quick slant routes.
Max
Veteran
Not sure of there are fines for QB not addressing media but if there is, it seems like a pretty good use for some of that contract $ to lay low until he can say something other than 'I need to do better'.
The last part you underlined is something I hinted at. There seem so be times he looks like it has clicked and he nails it. Wondered if we know what the things he's comfortable with are.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
I think it's a combination of things.
Defenses are bumping off the line of scrimmage with cover 2 over the top. Routes are slowed and front 7's are getting to oz because our ol sucks.
We cant beat that because we cant run. Our te's and rb's should be having field days against that coverage but no one really fears either. Cj looks like he can barely get down the field lately.
Oz gets hit, his accuracy dips drastically. On contested passes he hits the wrong shoulder or throws low when he should throw high to a guy like Hopkins.
Additionally, oz waits for guys to get open. He's not throwing them open. Windows close before the ball gets there...his anticipation is below average. Maybe that's the coaches fault for giving him to much responsibility.
Schematically maybe we're doing something to tip our hand. I remember watching Kubiak/shanny's route designs and combinations and being really impressed. I don't see that here. We're trotting out the same bunk over and over again. They look like pass plays someone playing Madden would draw up.
Here we went and got all this speed and playmaking ability. Ive seen no effort to get Braxton the ball in space. Have you seen Tyler Ervin highlights? Put him in space ( skip the obligatory kick return reply until after you watch the highlights. ) Both could be commodities but we're not using either correctly...or fuller5 for that matter. Wanna beat man but the qb doesn't have time? Mix in his speed with crossing routes. Wanna beat zone? Route combos to flood a zone. Wanna beat cover 2 like we're getting and cant run the ball. Send a te up the seam again and again. I don't mean rg or fideo. It's time to start putting Anderson in at te and attacking the seam.
All this seems elementary to me and why we haven't made these adjustments is beyond me. What else. If we can't beat another team we have to stop beating ourselves. The next time i see an os play fake that fools me will be the first. Stupid penalties. Stupid timeouts. How often do we draw teams off with a hard count? How often do we lose field position because guys return kicks 5 yards inside the end zone? How often do punt returners step inside the 10 to return a kick? How often have we seen fair catches with no one inside 7-8 yards. This team is great at exactly one thing. Shooting itself in the foot. We have an immature and undisciplined team. Our offense needs to do what our defense did after miami last year. Simplify.
One last thing, have any of you figured out what the "secret edge position" is yet? Yeah, me neither. End rant.
Grams
Veteran
If this old woman who has never played football can tell what the play will be when they line up, I am sure the guys playing on defense know. It is easy to stop us. Just stop the run - real easy there and cover Nuk and Fuller, no one else is going to get more than a look once or twice a game and we never use the middle or TE's. Pretty easy to defense against us, even a caveman could do it.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
Brock = David Carr 2.0
I think it's this in a nutshell. It's predictable and plain... and we can't run to make the defense even think about it
I won't call him that until he starts consistently running out of bounds two yards behind the LOS
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
BYDS
Waterboy
Remember the good old days when we actually thought we would have a top offenseandother teams would fear covering us. Wow were we ever sold a bill of goods.
At least I didn't wasted all my money buying NFL Game Pass, I did get to go back and watch Brady an actual quarterback.
We suck and will suck for a good half dozen years into the future.
At least I didn't wasted all my money buying NFL Game Pass, I did get to go back and watch Brady an actual quarterback.
We suck and will suck for a good half dozen years into the future.
Remember when we actually did have a good offense and a good defense and teams did fear us? We fired the coach and all the staff
You forgot the INT where Osweiler threw into triple coverage up the middle.
No I replied to your statement. Wasn't it the weekly OB presser?
edit: I see now it was just quotes from different players and OB not a presser per say. Yeah kinda odd that no Os quotes and questions there
Also, you made me look up.
On Pro Football Reference, they chart throws with 6 categories (Short Left, Short Middle, Short Right, Deep Left, DM, and DR).
I look them up, and the Texans actually targeted the middle more than the opponent's through 5 games - maybe by 15-20 per cent.
Those were actual targets.
I also remember mentioning that Osweiler missed a few open receivers up the middle (as in, did not see) in the Pats game.
So he ended up throwing outside instead (resulting in incompletions.)
austins23
Hall of Fame
That was a desperation throw. And as to your other post, the stats from PFF, it just doesn't feel like they target the middle of the field much. Maybe because all the stuff going outside is really bad.You forgot the INT where Osweiler threw into triple coverage up the middle.
David Carr 2.0 looked pretty good the last two weekends.
I don't think Osweiler is in the same "class"
Number19
Hall of Fame
Remember that one play where Fido beat the coverage. The pass was completed for about a 30 yd gain. But the pass was under thrown and Fido was tackled as soon as he caught the ball. Had the pass been properly thrown where Fido caught it in stride he would have had 10 or 15 more yards. Fuller, with his speed would have had a TD. I see this too often. Oz does not have good placement with too many of his passes.
You forgot the INT where Osweiler threw into triple coverage up the middle.
There were also a couple of balls knocked away where he targeted receivers in the middle part of the field... also a couple of times where the TE was wide open running up the seem.
I understand the issue with the OL, he still needs to work that out... when he has time, when he doesn't. But still, I think he's not reading presnap what's there, or he's completely fooled (which I don't think is the case, even though Minnesota shifted a lot, I don't think there was anything exotic).
But after watching our offensive possessions again yesterday, when I saw the routes our guys were running vs the defenses Minnesota played, we left a lot of points out there. I won't go so far as to say what Brock's reads were, but there was a lot of simple stuff that I think should have been read.
Those LBs couldn't hang with Ryan Griffen, Xavier Rhodes couldn't cover Hopkins, & Will Fuller shook DBs all day long. There were plays to be made.
Remember during the game where Osweiler was clearly frustrated at something? Weeden said something to him, Brock slammed his fist on his book of pictures & it looked like he said, "I saw...." whatever & whatnot... I understand he's frustrated, but I wonder about his in game coachability. Once it starts going bad for him, I've yet to see him pull himself out.
I'm not a Brock Osweiler fan. He wasn't how I wanted to answer the QB question this offseason.
Still, I think a lot of people are speaking way too early. There very well may be some pulling foots out of mouths before the season is over.
Still, I think a lot of people are speaking way too early. There very well may be some pulling foots out of mouths before the season is over.
OK what was your plan thunderkyss ? Go with Savage or draft a QB this year in the first round like maybe Paxton, or something else ?
I think I'm smarter than everyone in the room. I'd have taken Connor Cook in the first or second round. I'd have drafted Dak Prescott.... I'd have drafted Aj McCarron two/three years ago instead of Tom Savage in the 4th (really the top of the 5th).
But that's neither here nor there, I was just stressing that I'm not a Brock fanboi.
Number19
Hall of Fame
A
A distinction has to be made between what I/we, as individuals, would like to see happen and what we expect OB/ the Texans to do. I personally would have Oz on a very short leash. Mainly because of what happened last year, I expect the Texans to stay with Oz longer than they maybe should. We have the Colts, Broncos and the Lions coming up before the bye. There's a reasonable chance we could be 4 and 4 at the half way mark. If so, I would like to see a change made.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Read the first sentence of my previous post.
OzzO
.. and then?
Y'all talking post game presser?
http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-med...Osweiler/f5ae0d00-f188-4e30-8cb0-abac048ef988
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Seconded.
OK what was your plan thunderkyss ? Go with Savage or draft a QB this year in the first round like maybe Paxton, or something else ?
What about if we were to lose the 3 remaining games before the bye whicf woulf mean a 3-5 record ? I would not necessarily expect a change then because I think Brock is pretty much the starter in 2016 no matter what.
Now if he continues playing the way he's playing now and we end up with a losing record at year en, then for sure all bets about Mr Broc Osweiler are off.
I honestly don't think the W-L record has anything to do with it. He'll have to play much, much worse than he has been to be pulled this year. O'b is going to have to believe it's a lost cause & I just don't think he's there yet.
TxnsJuggernaut
Veteran
I understand the frustration but taking a minimal risk on Brock will not be the ruination of our team. We are only tied to him for one more season and then we can try again to get the quarterback situation right. If we suck bad enough, which I don't want to happen, but if we do, we will be set up for a chance at a franchise QB in the draft. Seeing us draft a competitior to Brock would probably be a good thing.
That said I am not worried about anything. We only have Brock one more season if he does not pan out. Very little harm and no foul.
Sometimes you have to be aggressive. I am on board with the Brock decision. Though I thougt when he had top 10 drafts in the past we should have addressed the QB position.
TxnsJuggernaut
Veteran
I think you are right. However bad habits happen when a quarterback is used to the pocket breaking down and begins to thnk pressure is closer to him than what it is during those rare times his offense does a good job protecting him. When quarterbacks have the other team breathing down their necks more than half your snaps most of them start automatically anticipating. That is why the beginning of games are where the o-lines need to seize momentum by protecting enough that thier quarterbacks feel more comfortable in the pocket.
There is no doubt that the offensive and defensive lines of our team need to be addressed in next seasons draft.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
After 12 starts;
QB (A)
55.7 % completions
19 TD, 23 INT
67.3 passer rating
6.2 Y/A
QB (B)
60.4% completions
15 TD, 12 INT
80.4 passer rating
6.7 Y/A
Even though Brock is statistically one of the worst QBs in the league right now, and it's frustrating as hell seeing guys like Wentz and Prescott with the fast starts, 12 games does not a career make.
(A) is Peyton, BTW.
QB (A)
55.7 % completions
19 TD, 23 INT
67.3 passer rating
6.2 Y/A
QB (B)
60.4% completions
15 TD, 12 INT
80.4 passer rating
6.7 Y/A
Even though Brock is statistically one of the worst QBs in the league right now, and it's frustrating as hell seeing guys like Wentz and Prescott with the fast starts, 12 games does not a career make.
(A) is Peyton, BTW.
Damn, I didn't know Peyton never became a starter until his fifth year.
you're really reaching
Comparing a 5th year veteran with a rookie is utterly nonsense.
wouldn't it depend on circumstances? A #1 to a 4th rounder running a scout team under how many different oc's? Maybe not so far fetched
Texansballer74
The Marine
Why do so many fans try their best to throw in the notion of a player being in the league for more than a year. It's pretty redundant and really doesn't make any sense. Brock being in the NFL for 5 years but only played half of season is basically a sophomore at this point. Another thing all because there are a few rookies that are playing good right now should not be an indictment on Brock's play. You have to factor in every component to make a team successful. Brock doesn't have the luxury of a healthy good offensive line. Brock doesn't have a good running game. Finally we don't have a good coaching staff. Yes his mechanics doesn't look good, his decision making isn't good and his mental time clock is racing at a high rate.
As we all can see there are different scenarios going on here. So we can not knock Brock for not being in a good situation like Dak and Wentz. Plus those two are not tasked with the entire playbook like Brock either. They are being brought along slowly
As we all can see there are different scenarios going on here. So we can not knock Brock for not being in a good situation like Dak and Wentz. Plus those two are not tasked with the entire playbook like Brock either. They are being brought along slowly