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O'Brien: Keenum slightly ahead of Savage

infantrycak said:
No. You just dislike Kaep.
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True, and I'm sure BOB from interviews I've heard would love to have BOB playing QB for him. If you think McNair will ever have Kaep QB'ing the Texans, especially this late in the yr, you're being delusional.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Just don't get the today's QB play being an extra special problem argument.
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It's an extra special problem because today's game is geared way more toward the QB than it's ever been before. If you don't have one that can play worth a damn, your chances of success as a team go down.

Yeah, you had QBs like the ones you mentioned from yesteryear that didn't amount to much, just like you do now, but the success of your team wasn't almost solely dependent on your QB play then. I mean, you've got HOF QBs from the 70s with nearly as many INTs as they do TDs.

Terry Bradshaw for example, had 17 TD and 23 INT the 2 years the Steelers won their 1st 2 SBs. 26 TD, 25 INT for the 4th SB year. 51.9 career completion percentage, 212 TD, 210 INT. Was he really worth a flip behind center? Bartkowski had better numbers than that, yet Bradshaw's the HOFer.

The ratio of bad QBs may be the same as the 70s, but now the game is so QB friendly that you can't survive with those Bradshaw, Bartkowski type numbers. So much of your success today lies so heavily on the QB.

So with a league that has turned so QB friendly I just think it would be in their best interest to have competent QBs in their league. Today's QBs aren't learning the NFL game in college and teams have very little patience with them learning on the fly. So a developmental or instructional league would be a huge benefit, IMO.
 
Maybe an unpopular suggestion, but if we are discussing a backup role for DW4, wouldn't Johnny Manziel make sense? He has the same improvisational skills, and the same level of athleticism. Not sure if he ever got his head screwed on right since the draft, however, it wouldnt hurt a thing to bring him in and have a talk and workout.
 
Speedy said:
It's an extra special problem because today's game is geared way more toward the QB than it's ever been before. If you don't have one that can play worth a damn, your chances of success as a team go down.

Yeah, you had QBs like the ones you mentioned from yesteryear that didn't amount to much, just like you do now, but the success of your team wasn't almost solely dependent on your QB play then. I mean, you've got HOF QBs from the 70s with nearly as many INTs as they do TDs.

Terry Bradshaw for example, had 17 TD and 23 INT the 2 years the Steelers won their 1st 2 SBs. 26 TD, 25 INT for the 4th SB year. 51.9 career completion percentage, 212 TD, 210 INT. Was he really worth a flip behind center? Bartkowski had better numbers than that, yet Bradshaw's the HOFer.

The ratio of bad QBs may be the same as the 70s, but now the game is so QB friendly that you can't survive with those Bradshaw, Bartkowski type numbers. So much of your success today lies so heavily on the QB.

So with a league that has turned so QB friendly I just think it would be in their best interest to have competent QBs in their league. Today's QBs aren't learning the NFL game in college and teams have very little patience with them learning on the fly. So a developmental or instructional league would be a huge benefit, IMO.
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And there are competent QBs in their league, like the influx of those in the last half dozen years..
 
theCATALYST said:
Maybe an unpopular suggestion, but if we are discussing a backup role for DW4, wouldn't Johnny Manziel make sense? He has the same improvisational skills, and the same level of athleticism. Not sure if he ever got his head screwed on right since the draft, however, it wouldnt hurt a thing to bring him in and have a talk and workout.
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Johnny Manziel never makes sense. At no point do you ever want to hang any kind of hopes or expectations on a drunk who can't control himself. Not in the NFL. That stuff flies in the NCAA because schools go out of their way to hide it from the NCAA and the local police are generally willing to let the players slide unless they go too far. In the NFL the league actively makes a show of hunting for these guys and coming down on them like a box of rocks in a big virtue signaling production. Manziel will never play again and even if he did it would just be until the next time he stepped over the line and then he'd be useless to everyone all over again. He might have as little chance as Kaep of ever getting back on the field.
 
Texansballer74 said:
One time. The oline did a great job protecting him. Savage did a really good job with either getting the ball out quickly and using his feet to buy some time.
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Despite the label (which he's done a lot wrong to earn this year) Savage is not a statue. He's rolled out, moved around well in the pocket before. Mobile? No, not particularly but he's been able to buy a little bit of time. This year for some reason he came out of the gate looking like a deer in headlights and Sunday in the second half was maybe the first time he's looked even remotely close to comfortable. Even then he was still jumpy looking. Skittish even.

Lots of guys aren't mobile but get it done. Hell Schaub used to roll out all the time. Savage did too here and there. Remember last year when he came in O'Brien had him rolling out to buy time by design and using tempo to get him to settle down. If that's what it takes then you make him roll out. He looks awkward doing it but it worked.
 
Hervoyel said:
Johnny Manziel never makes sense. At no point do you ever want to hang any kind of hopes or expectations on a drunk who can't control himself. Not in the NFL. That stuff flies in the NCAA because schools go out of their way to hide it from the NCAA and the local police are generally willing to let the players slide unless they go too far. In the NFL the league actively makes a show of hunting for these guys and coming down on them like a box of rocks in a big virtue signaling production. Manziel will never play again and even if he did it would just be until the next time he stepped over the line and then he'd be useless to everyone all over again. He might have as little chance as Kaep of ever getting back on the field.
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How the game has changed. HoF quarterback Bobby Layne was a Manziel type person and would never have made it in today's controlled environment.
 
Number19 said:
How the game has changed. HoF quarterback Bobby Layne was a Manziel type person and would never have made it in today's controlled environment.
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The league would have run him off long before he could have done anything great. Can't have them embarrassing the team or the sport. I understand and even support it to some degree but really, Manziel can't deal with the complexity of the modern game at this level. Not and keep his partying up. Stay up late studying the offense? Not Johnny Football.
 
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