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Nick Caserio - New GM

leebigeztx said:
I never said Caserio was on the hot seat. I think he should be considering he's had 2 head coaches and a 3rd would be against the norm. I mean, the Dolphins had a fire sale after they hired their coach. They won 5 games, then went 5-11,10-6,9-8 and fired Flores. They did that after trading away their best players in Tunsil and Mikah along with a host of other players they let go. They hired McDaniels, kept Tua whom everyone didn't want in a possible Watson trade and now they're in the hunt. We also know Ross is as bad of an owner as Cal, so lets get that excuse out of the way. I can see them giving him another head coach hire after Lovie after next year. It doesn't matter what I think because I'm not the owner, but they should clean house like 49ers did before they hired Shanny.
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I would agree with you if Caserio hires the HC's.
 
steelbtexan said:
I would agree with you if Caserio hires the HC's.
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Which is why firing him on the basis of his HC candidates is off base imo. Get it in your head folks…HE CANNOT JUST HIRE WHO HE WANTS TO HIRE WITHOUT CONSULTING THE OWNER. He could want to hire the next belichick…but if Cal/Janice shoots it down, what the hell else can he do?

The Culley and Lovie Smith hires scream Cal/Janice involvement…then when u factor in that McCown was reportedly actually in the convo….you have to believe NC is pretty much at the mercy of the McNairs when it comes to HC hires.

would be interesting to know why NC’s reported choice in Gannon wasn’t hired…or why he turned it down.
 
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steelbtexan said:
I fully expect the McNair's to draft a QB at 1-1. They go for the marketing angle over substance. It's what they've done since the inception of the team and nothing has or will change until the team is sold. This will be my last yr as a season ticket holder because I've seen this circus play out over and over again over the last 20 yrs as a season ticket holder. I'm going to have to eat the PSL' money. But I'm not going out to NRG anyways, so it really doesn't matter.
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It won’t be because of the McNair’s doing anything. It will be because that’s the greatest need on this team.
 
leebigeztx said:
I never said Caserio was on the hot seat. I think he should be considering he's had 2 head coaches and a 3rd would be against the norm. I mean, the Dolphins had a fire sale after they hired their coach. They won 5 games, then went 5-11,10-6,9-8 and fired Flores. They did that after trading away their best players in Tunsil and Mikah along with a host of other players they let go. They hired McDaniels, kept Tua whom everyone didn't want in a possible Watson trade and now they're in the hunt. We also know Ross is as bad of an owner as Cal, so lets get that excuse out of the way. I can see them giving him another head coach hire after Lovie after next year. It doesn't matter what I think because I'm not the owner, but they should clean house like 49ers did before they hired Shanny.
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My apologies if I misunderstood what you were saying.

I could have sworn I read a post of your that said you didn’t think Caserio should have the opportunity to hire a third head coach.

Which I took when Lovie is fired so is Caserio.

Which that article says something similar.
 
Mr teX said:
Which is why firing him on the basis of his HC candidates is off base imo. Get it in your head folks…HE CANNOT JUST HIRE WHO HE WANTS TO HIRE WITHOUT CONSULTING THE OWNER. He could want to hire the next belichick…but if Cal/Janice shoots it down, what the hell else can he do?

The Culley and Lovie Smith hires scream Cal/Janice involvement…then when u factor in that McCown was reportedly actually in the convo….you have to believe NC is pretty much at the mercy of the McNairs when it comes to HC hires.

would be interesting to know why NC’s reported choice in Gannon wasn’t hired…or why he turned it down.
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You forgot Easterby’s supposed involvement in the hiring process.

Rumor has it that Cal wanted Lovie to remain as DC on Gannon’s staff. That was a no go for Gannon.

Which explains how Lovie was promoted to HC and no other minority coach was interviewed after Flores.

That is how I recall it going down.
 
leebigeztx said:
Except when it came to Nagy. There is this thing that goes around that there always exceptions when it comes to hiring. Remember Sherman Lewis of the Packers? Yeah, he was the oc under Holmgren during those years and everyone under him got a shot at head coaching except him. That includes Andy Reid, John Gruden, Marriucci, Sherman, Joe Philbin, and a host of other guys. The notion was always, well Holmgren calls the plays, but it didn't matter when it came to other staffers. That's not to say whether Sherman Lewis would've been a successful head coach or not, but we never found out. We found out the qb coach under him, Andy Reid is a hall of famer. Same was said about Bruce Arians also.
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I don’t think anyone would disagree with you that Sherman Lewis should have gotten a chance. History is filled with inequality, and I am sure Lewis blazed a path for other minorities to be coaches.

Bieniemy wasn’t going to get hired because of his supposed actions covering up a rape as a college coach by a company that had a QB accused of 20+ sexual assaults.

How bad would that look for the Texans especially after Buzbee named them in the suit as enabling in Watson’s actions?
 
Texian said:
I concur. I'm on record saying that the Texans having 3 of the first 32 picks in the 2023 draft is the strongest incentive and ammunition the Texans have ever had to bring in a top-notch, successful, proven HC or GM. The fly in the soup for me is I'm not sold on there being a franchise QB in this draft. IMO the generational playmaking franchise QB is Caleb Williams who is not available until 2024. And there is no Caleb there is Drake Maye. That's why I am an advocate of maintaining the status quo for 2023, Lovie, Pep, Caserio, and parlaying and trading much of the massive 2023 draft capital into 2024, 2025 and 2026 draft capital for a new HC and GM in 2024.
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You have been reading my posts and drinking my Kool Aid!

Glad to see you have come around to my way of thinking!
 
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Texansballer74 said:
We don’t know that. Get out of the past please sir.
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You dont know that.

I have my opinion based on history and patience like the Stros and Luhnow used to build a dynasty.

You have your opinion based on wanting to be entertained as quickly as possible and hope.
 
TexansBull said:
My apologies if I misunderstood what you were saying.

I could have sworn I read a post of your that said you didn’t think Caserio should have the opportunity to hire a third head coach.

Which I took when Lovie is fired so is Caserio.

Which that article says something similar.
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I did, but I didn't post an article stating he was on the hot seat.
 
steelbtexan said:
I would agree with you if Caserio hires the HC's.
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Listen, you keep posting this as if every owner in the nfl doesn't hire the head coach. Every owner hires the head coach based on the info the gm gives them. Do you really think Cal or any other owner is putting a hire list together of the best candidates? No, they're not. They rely on the gm to tell them who is qualified to coach the team. At the end of the day , every owner technically hires the hc the gm wants them to hire. You think Cal fired Culley or Caserio? If Caserio didn't fire Culley, then that means Cal hired him and vice versa. When Culley got fired, I didn't hear Cal saying they had philosophical differences.
 
TexansBull said:
I don’t think anyone would disagree with you that Sherman Lewis should have gotten a chance. History is filled with inequality, and I am sure Lewis blazed a path for other minorities to be coaches.

Bieniemy wasn’t going to get hired because of his supposed actions covering up a rape as a college coach by a company that had a QB accused of 20+ sexual assaults.

How bad would that look for the Texans especially after Buzbee named them in the suit as enabling in Watson’s actions?
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I don't agree because he's the oc, 2nd in charge. If his career was going to be upended , it would've been over before it started.
 
TexansBull said:
I don’t think anyone would disagree with you that Sherman Lewis should have gotten a chance. History is filled with inequality, and I am sure Lewis blazed a path for other minorities to be coaches.

Bieniemy wasn’t going to get hired because of his supposed actions covering up a rape as a college coach by a company that had a QB accused of 20+ sexual assaults.

How bad would that look for the Texans especially after Buzbee named them in the suit as enabling in Watson’s actions?
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www.cincyjungle.com

The uncomfortable pasts of Eric Bieniemy and Vance Joseph

A couple candidates for the Bengals’ head coaching vacancy have questionable pasts that need to be addressed.
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So Vance Joseph can get a hc job, right?
 
leebigeztx said:
I don't agree because he's the oc, 2nd in charge. If his career was going to be upended , it would've been over before it started.
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I am just saying he isn’t a fit here.

If you want to compare to the rest of the league well Matt Patricia got hired with his dismissed allegations so I don’t have an answer.
 
leebigeztx said:
Listen, you keep posting this as if every owner in the nfl doesn't hire the head coach. Every owner hires the head coach based on the info the gm gives them. Do you really think Cal or any other owner is putting a hire list together of the best candidates? No, they're not. They rely on the gm to tell them who is qualified to coach the team. At the end of the day , every owner technically hires the hc the gm wants them to hire. You think Cal fired Culley or Caserio? If Caserio didn't fire Culley, then that means Cal hired him and vice versa. When Culley got fired, I didn't hear Cal saying they had philosophical differences.
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You didn't hear Cal say anything. You probably wont hear him say anything when Lovie's fired. Porn Ferry used to bring the Candidates to the McNair's. I'm guessing Cal told Caserio to bring him a minority candidateandwith all of the Derrick crap he had trouble finding a qualified candidate to take the job, so he settled on Culley, knowing he would be a short timer. Caserio told Culley that he wanted a new OC once Caserio knew Towel Boy wasn't coming back. Caserio told Culley to fire Kelly and and Culley refused. That was the philosophical differences and Culley was gone. Cal hired Lovie after the Flores fiasco.
 
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Will red flags in Eric Bieniemy’s past cross him off Eagles’ list? Should they? - The Birds Blitz

The Eagles moved on from head coach Doug Pederson on Monday, and dozens of stories have already been written outlining the potential replacements. One of the most popular names has been Eric Bieniemy, who profiles as an ideal candidate for the Eagles for a number of reasons. He is from the same...
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While the information published about these alleged sexual assaults is certainly concerning, Bieniemy was never explicitly accused of or charged with anything. That he returned to the school several years later and was eventually offered the head coaching position there is very telling, as well. If the school where these events happened was still willing to bring Bieniemy back as the face of its program, then perhaps NFL teams would be, too.
 
steelbtexan said:
You didn't hear Cal say anything. You probably wont hear him say anything when Lovie's fired. Porn Ferry used to bring the Candidates to the McNair's. I'm guessing Cal told Caserio to bring him a minority candidateandwith all of the Derrick crap he had trouble finding a qualified candidate to take the job, so he settled on Culley, knowing he would be a short timer. Caserio told Culley that he wanted a new OC once Caserio knew Towel Boy wasn't coming back. Caserio told Culley to fire Kelly and and Culley refused. That was the philosophical differences and Culley was gone. Cal hired Lovie after the Flores fiasco.
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If the owner makes the hc hire, doesn't it make sense he fires the coach too? Ok, who fired BOB?
 
steelbtexan said:
You didn't hear Cal say anything. You probably wont hear him say anything when Lovie's fired. Porn Ferry used to bring the Candidates to the McNair's. I'm guessing Cal told Caserio to bring him a minority candidateandwith all of the Derrick crap he had trouble finding a qualified candidate to take the job, so he settled on Culley, knowing he would be a short timer. Caserio told Culley that he wanted a new OC once Caserio knew Towel Boy wasn't coming back. Caserio told Culley to fire Kelly and and Culley refused. That was the philosophical differences and Culley was gone. Cal hired Lovie after the Flores fiasco.
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Why would Culley fire someone he had no control in hiring? What is the purpose of Caserio if he doesn't hire or fire anyone? You can find anyone to put a draft board together and pick players.
 
leebigeztx said:
Why would Culley fire someone he had no control in hiring? What is the purpose of Caserio if he doesn't hire or fire anyone? You can find anyone to put a draft board together and pick players.
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Simply because his boss told him to fire him.

I'm pretty sure Caserio didn't want to retain Kelly when he was hired. But Kelly had already been retained in Cal's feeble attempt to placate Towel Boy.
 
leebigeztx said:
I haven't read anything about him covering up a rape either.
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CnD posted something back when Cal was being questioned for not interviewing EB. Regardless EB recruited rapists and got run off. He should've gotten the Briles treatment.
 
steelbtexan said:
The owner can do as he wishes.
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See, there you go again. Any critique of Caserio and his coaching choices, you say he didn't hire the head coach, yet if the gm doesn't hire the head coach, how can he fire the head coach? It was clear in his contract that Esterbe can only be fired by the owner, not the Caserio or the coach, but you're trying to tell me Cal hires the head coach and that makes the owner the only one that can fire him, correct? So I guess Cal fired Culley, right?
 
steelbtexan said:
Agreed, but you also need to learn from your mistakes.
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They've drafted 2 1st rd qbs in 20 years. 2002 and 2017, correct? I'm trying to understand your point. I didn't want Carr, Peppers was the superior prospect and a hof. Carter nor Anderson are of Peppers ilk unless that's what you're trying to tell me.
 
steelbtexan said:
CnD posted something back when Cal was being questioned for not interviewing EB. Regardless EB recruited rapists and got run off. He should've gotten the Briles treatment.
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Will red flags in Eric Bieniemy’s past cross him off Eagles’ list? Should they? - The Birds Blitz

The Eagles moved on from head coach Doug Pederson on Monday, and dozens of stories have already been written outlining the potential replacements. One of the most popular names has been Eric Bieniemy, who profiles as an ideal candidate for the Eagles for a number of reasons. He is from the same...
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Bieniemy left the program in 2003 but eventually returned as the team’s offensive coordinator in 2010 and was offered the head coaching position in 2020.

While the information published about these alleged sexual assaults is certainly concerning, Bieniemy was never explicitly accused of or charged with anything. That he returned to the school several years later and was eventually offered the head coaching position there is very telling, as well. If the school where these events happened was still willing to bring Bieniemy back as the face of its program, then perhaps NFL teams would be, too.

Why are you reaching trying to compare Briles and EB? You think Briles can go back to Baylor?
 
leebigeztx said:
See, there you go again. Any critique of Caserio and his coaching choices, you say he didn't hire the head coach, yet if the gm doesn't hire the head coach, how can he fire the head coach? It was clear in his contract that Esterbe can only be fired by the owner, not the Caserio or the coach, but you're trying to tell me Cal hires the head coach and that makes the owner the only one that can fire him, correct? So I guess Cal fired Culley, right?
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The McNair's have always hired the HC's and Bob McNair fired the HC's. From Capers to Kubiak. I assume Cal is doing the same. If Cal told Caserio to fire Culley and for that matter Lovie, Caserio has 36 million reasons to do want Cal tells him to do so. After all Cal's the boss.
 
steelbtexan said:
The McNair's have always hired the HC's and Bob McNair fired the HC's. From Capers to Kubiak. I assume Cal is doing the same. If Cal told Caserio to fire Culley and for that matter Lovie, Caserio has 36 million reasons to do want Cal tells him to do so. After all Cal's the boss.
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gm money is guaranteed like coaches. If Caserio says I'm not firing Culley based on what Cal says, he gets all his money and probably returns to New England like most of those guys do. Money isn't a concern for Caserio with his contract, much like Culley.
 
leebigeztx said:
They've drafted 2 1st rd qbs in 20 years. 2002 and 2017, correct? I'm trying to understand your point. I didn't want Carr, Peppers was the superior prospect and a hof. Carter nor Anderson are of Peppers ilk unless that's what you're trying to tell me.
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I think this QB class is very Carresque and could be better with better coaching. But certainly not championship timber. I really see alot of Carr in Levis and his throwing motion. Stay far away.

The reason they only picked 3 QB's and 1 in the 1st rd (And he missed on that pick) in RS tenture here is directly on RS and his failure in this area is another reason why RS cant sniff another job in the NFL.
 
leebigeztx said:
gm money is guaranteed like coaches. If Caserio says I'm not firing Culley based on what Cal says, he gets all his money and probably returns to New England like most of those guys do. Money isn't a concern for Caserio with his contract, much like Culley.
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Insubordination breaks the contract.

I dont think you're correct on this.

Bottom line is you have to do what the boss wants you to do as long as it's not illegal.
 
leebigeztx said:
thebirdsblitz.com

Will red flags in Eric Bieniemy’s past cross him off Eagles’ list? Should they? - The Birds Blitz

The Eagles moved on from head coach Doug Pederson on Monday, and dozens of stories have already been written outlining the potential replacements. One of the most popular names has been Eric Bieniemy, who profiles as an ideal candidate for the Eagles for a number of reasons. He is from the same...
thebirdsblitz.com thebirdsblitz.com

While the information published about these alleged sexual assaults is certainly concerning, Bieniemy was never explicitly accused of or charged with anything. That he returned to the school several years later and was eventually offered the head coaching position there is very telling, as well. If the school where these events happened was still willing to bring Bieniemy back as the face of its program, then perhaps NFL teams would be, too.
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Eagles timing sounds like it matched the Texans re EB that Watson got so mad about
 
steelbtexan said:
I think this QB class is very Carresque and could be better with better coaching. But certainly not championship timber. I really see alot of Carr in Levis and his throwing motion. Stay far away.

The reason they only picked 3 QB's and 1 in the 1st rd (And he missed on that pick) in RS tenture here is directly on RS and his failure in this area is another reason why RS cant sniff another job in the NFL.
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Only according to you.
 
leebigeztx said:
Only according to you.
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My opinion based on facts.

And not only according to me. Many others agree with my opinion.

But hey, keep on doing the same things that have been done for the last decade and expect a different result. You do you
 
steelbtexan said:
I think this QB class is very Carresque and could be better with better coaching. But certainly not championship timber. I really see alot of Carr in Levis and his throwing motion. Stay far away.

The reason they only picked 3 QB's and 1 in the 1st rd (And he missed on that pick) in RS tenture here is directly on RS and his failure in this area is another reason why RS cant sniff another job in the NFL.
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How many gms get a 2nd chance? There are gms with rings not getting 2nd chances. Why is that?
 
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