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Chris Mortenson is evidently reporting Garrard is the starter and the Jags are either gong to trade or release Gary Coleman.
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Oh, I think this is smart move for J-Ville. I wonder who makes the move for Byron?
I can't see anyone giving the Jags much of anything. Leftwich has a big cartoon wind up and he can't get the ball out of his hands quickly enough to be a top NFL QB...Casserly is out of the league but I hear he wants to give the Jags a 2nd and a 3rd.Oh, I think this is smart move for J-Ville. I wonder who makes the move for Byron?
Raiders?
Chiefs?
Falcons? ?
Garrard gives them a better chance to win, but it's sad to see this happen to Gary Coleman. First there's the run in with a fan while working as a security guard at the mall, then he was having to do ads for one of those cash advance places, and now he's lost his job as the QB for the Jags. Poor little fella.
So is this the beginning of the end of the Jags?
Chaos at the QB position and likely further unhappiness of the fan base.
Coach who can't get his team geeked for teams they think are beneath them.
Spoiled fans.
Small market without many corporate sponsors.
Fixing to be blacked out game one against the Titans.
They don't have much of a margin to stay in Jacksonville.
I think that Garrard has started 15 of the last 22 games if I heard coach Del Rio right in his presser, so not starting Leftwich isn't too unusual lately. I don't think it hurts the Jags much because whenever we played the Jags Leftwich was about the only QB I ever saw play that I thought Carr was better than. I think I counted 3 times when Del Rio mentioned the fact that Garrard has a quick release.So is this the beginning of the end of the Jags?
Chaos at the QB position and likely further unhappiness of the fan base.
Coach who can't get his team geeked for teams they think are beneath them.
Spoiled fans.
Small market without many corporate sponsors.
Fixing to be blacked out game one against the Titans.
They don't have much of a margin to stay in Jacksonville.
They found out that Couch was using steroids. So now they've dropped Leftwich, named Garrard their new starter, and they'll bring Couch back because he's "their kind o' people."
I think that Garrard has started 15 of the last 22 games if I heard coach Del Rio right in his presser, so not starting Leftwich isn't too unusual lately. I don't think it hurts the Jags much because whenever we played the Jags Leftwich was about the only QB I ever saw play that I thought Carr was better than. I think I counted 3 times when Del Rio mentioned the fact that Garrard has a quick release.
Yeah, but there's ways to do things and then there's ways to do things. Del Rio was already being criticized before this. It has to be weird locker room wise and also in the city.
one thread on the above link ..had a rumor that players were upset and things were thrown in the locker room.. however this is the internet and can't really believe all that is posted
People talk about the game being a business, but it is hard making relationships with people, the sort of stuff you need to make yourself a team, and then with little warning just cut you.
I'm a big believe in treating people with dignity and respect when you send someone out the door, the best you can without hurting yourself--because it sends a bad message to the team otherwise--that you can't trust what comes out of management's mouth.
Well and it is weird as hell. Why name Leftwich as the starter right after the season, have him get most of the reps against the ones, and then cut him now?????
We don't know if Del Rio has tried to clean up Leftwich's delivery all off-season...perhaps he tried as hard as he could and got fed up with it holding back their offense. All I know as a casual observer is that I didn't think Leftwich was a very good NFL QB with that long wind up.....otherwise, I agree with the points you make in this thread 100%Yeah, but there's ways to do things and then there's ways to do things. Del Rio was already being criticized before this. It has to be weird locker room wise and also in the city.
We don't know if Del Rio has tried to clean up Leftwich's delivery all off-season...perhaps he tried as hard as he could and got fed up with it holding back their offense. All I know as a casual observer is that I didn't think Leftwich was a very good NFL QB with that long wind up.....otherwise, I agree with the points you make in this thread 100%
We don't know if Del Rio has tried to clean up Leftwich's delivery all off-season...perhaps he tried as hard as he could and got fed up with it holding back their offense. All I know as a casual observer is that I didn't think Leftwich was a very good NFL QB with that long wind up.....otherwise, I agree with the points you make in this thread 100%
I'm thinking that Del Rio knew exactly what he had with Leftwich. I was never impressed with Leftwich, and to be fair, not terribly impressed with Garrard.
I'm trying to think of a previous situation like this. Of someone who was the #2, became the #1 due to injury, then prior to the season, was told that the injured guy is going to be the #1 again, the #2 doesn't play #1 snaps in the preseason, and then dumping the injured guy too late for him to catch on some place else. It sounds like a total cluster.
Sorta sounds like the whole Joe Montana/Steve Young thing to me.
some Jags fan said:I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so. Leftwich is a cancer and the Jags are better off without Fattymcbutterpants at this time.
Join jaguars.com senior editor Vic Ketchman as he tackles the fans' tough questions.
Eric from Jacksonville: Did you see it coming, Vic?
Vic: Yeah, I saw it coming. I gave hint after hint after hint in Ask Vic this week. Go back and read them; you might get a laugh. At one point I went too far because I got a few questions asking me if I was hinting at something. Lets start with the OTAs. They were not good until the last few. I distinctly remember a Tuesday practice late in OTAs that was especially horrible. The next day, Jack Del Rio volunteered interest in Daunte Culpepper. That was the first tip. OTAs ended with a couple of good practices, however, and then training camp started with some real optimism, but in the second full week of camp, David Garrard made his move. I wrote about it and I was ridiculed for my views. I tried to tell everyone that I wasnt playing talent evaluator, just reporter, but I was rebuffed as an old hack the game had passed by. All of thats correct, of course, but even an old hack could see that Garrard was on fire. Then the preseason games began and Garrard continued to pour it on. In the pregame radio show in Green Bay, I said Byron and the offense were facing a big game. I knew the situation had reached a crossroads. How big was that game? Well, it cost Byron his starting job and a big salary.
Adam from Jacksonville: After just hearing the news of David Garrard being named the starter, what will the Jaguars expect to get with a possible trade or release of Byron Leftwich?
Vic: I cant imagine a team being willing to assume Byrons $5 million salary in a trade, so theyd have to do a new deal before they trade for him. Heres the big question: How eager do you think Leftwich will be to accommodate the Jaguars by doing a new deal before the Saturday six p.m. deadline? Dont forget, once hes released, he becomes an unrestricted free agent free to sign with any team.
Wes from Jacksonville: While I think it was unwise to put your stock in a quarterback that didn't play against a first team defense in the preseason, Im glad the organization is making the right move and cutting Leftwich. At least it will end the quarterback controversy. At the very least, it might increase ticket sales. Do you agree?
Vic: Im not sure what itll do for ticket sales. What I can tell you is that from a football standpoint, as I had said over and over, at the quarterback position you have to pick and stick. Flip-flopping wont work. It was time to make a bold decision and the Jaguars did.
Matt from Marianna, AR: Wow! You were dead on about playing a highly paid player or getting rid of him. I hope Garrard can be consistent.
Vic: When you have a $5 million salary, you dont go to the bench. Youre either the starter or youre playing for someone else. Thats long been a fact of life in professional football. You have to be worth your salary.
Antwan from Jacksonville: Just got hit with the Leftwich blow. Should we expect an explanation of why up until today Leftwich was, without a doubt, the starting quarterback? Sounds like unstable decision-making to me.
Vic: As I had said previously, dont expect the coach to express his doubts. Hes not going to waver in his public statements about his commitment to his quarterback. Its the most fragile position in all of sports. When a coach begins talking about when he might bench a quarterback, hes already benched him. Jack Del Rio began to have second thoughts, but he kept his thoughts to himself, for the obvious reason. I think fans need to be better readers. I think they need to learn how to read into what a coach says. I heard a sound bite from Jack Del Rios radio show from this past Tuesday and it was very clear to me that Del Rio was giving the fans a big hint at what was going to happen later in the week. Develop some savvy as a reader. Dont look for what you want to know. Look for what you dont want to know.
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Why would the Jags announce that they would release, or trade him? Everyone will wait until he is released anyway.
The whole thing is becoming earily simialr to the Carr release here.
The whole thing is becoming earily simialr to the Carr release here.
Or the Volek release last year with the Titans.
AFC South = Weird Stuff with QB's.
And then there is the Evil Overlord in Indy.