xtruroyaltyx
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What players are calling him a diva?
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JaDeveon Clowney
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#TomSavageDontCare
According to the Braddock interview the doctors say he is healed and ready to play. Normally I would say let him rest but his history just makes me unsure.
Maybe it is Swagggggg. He is playing hurt
Texecutioner
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I warned people of this again and again and again all off season long for like 5 months.
I hope Texan fans are happy. He'll come back and have some huge games here and there, but this will be the back and forth story of his career.
It would be nice if we could trade him.
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#TomSavageDontCare
And that bastard picked #90. I swear that number along with 8 should be burned and never be allowed inside NRG ever.
If this #90 can do what the last one to wear it long term did that's once again a pretty good draft pick...
Strange that O'Brien didn't say that the med staff cleared Clowney during the presser. And I'd sure like to hear that from Vrabel's own mouth.
And I don't think Clowney is ready. If he doesn't think he's ready he won't go all out; he'll favor that leg... He won't be who we're expecting to see. He may not be as effective as Mercilus if that injury is playing in his mind.
Texecutioner
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Speaking of basterd, Rick Smith is the basters that picked Mario after he had reports of being lazy in college and padded his stats on just 4 games, and Clowney's history was even worse and Rick Smith didn't learn a damn thing and still picked him any way.
It is going to be very hard for this franchise to ever become consistently good team until that joke of a GM we have is gone.
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#TomSavageDontCare
Casserly picked Mario
Meh, what's a fact got to do with anything when we bitching about our worst team and gm in football
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Cassell was the GM when Mario was picked. Whether he or Kubiak picked Mario is up for debate. I think Kubiak did.
Yeah but Casserly claims it
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
I'd assume it's who casserole wanted. Kibosh made final call.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I think Kubiak had the choice so who other people backed, especially since he had a foot out the door, is pretty irrelevant.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Was it irrelevant when he suggested Owen Daniels?
Casserly was still helping with the draft. It's not like kibosh was organizing all the scouting and stuff on these guys. Of course he made those final call that's what I said. But he had help making those decisions. I don't see how that's irelkevant.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
For those who are convinced that even with his limitations he can at least play on obvious passing downs.........He will be no more effective in these special situations than he would be playing all downs. In order to avoid cutting and changing direction, he would need to be assured of a snow plow and a red carpet clearing a straight line.........not to mention a total statue of a QB who can neither take a few steps out of the pocket or even side-step. And if you think that going from a full-go set of practices to a real game is a night and day comparison, how does half-assed participation in "some" select practice drills to real game full speed and impact exposure translate to anything promising?
TEXANRED
Texan-American
McNair stated in the Kubiak/Smith regime, O'Brien/Smith regime, the GM has final say over draft picks. I don't understand why we insist on giving the assistant manager credit and giving the COO a pass. Smith is the brains behind the draft picks.
infantrycak
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Of course not. That pick Kubiak said Casserly convinced him.
My point on Mario is we don't really know who Casserly backed. Call it relevant if you want, I don't think it mattered to the pick whether he wanted Bush or Mario. Bottom line credit good or bad on Mario goes on Kubiak IMO.
Never said Casserly had no role in the draft. I don't think we are saying much if anything differently.
infantrycak
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SoDoc, how long would you recommend keeping Clowney out?
I'm good with keeping him out until he's fully healthy and is able to be the bad a** that he could/should be.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
It's like we have the same debate each time with the same quote:
McNair said:
http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/01/03/texans-owner-clarifies-who-calls-the-shots/
He said the same thing when Kubiak was here.
The Pencil Neck
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Yeah.
But the point is that Rick Smith hadn't been HIRED yet when Mario was picked.
It's hard to blame him for the pick when he wasn't even in the organization, yet.
I actually called into Dan Reeves on the NFL network on SIRIUS. When I did I asked him how it all went down and he was pretty adamant that Casserly wanted Mario. He told me that he thought it was a mistake and he would have taken Bush but that Casserly was rather forceful about it.
I remember being kind of disappointed because I really didn't like Asserly but at least he told me what happened. This is probably 4 or 5 years ago that I got to talk to him and if I get a chance I'll look to see if I still have the mp3 of it somewhere.
Mike
infantrycak
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This was the part I was asking about.
Reeves was hired Dec. 12, 2005 on a six week contract. He wasn't here for the draft. In any event I didn't say Casserly didn't want Mario, just that Kubiak did and made the decision.
ummm... dude, Rick Smith hadn't even been hired when Mario was picked.
Smith was hired by the Texans on 6/05/06.
the 2006 NFL draft was 4/29-20/06.
You keep ignoring the most important part of that quote
"If there's a dispute, they come to me..."
If Smith, as you say, has unquestionable control of the draft, there cannot be disputes that McNair has to cast the deciding vote on. If Smith had absolute say in the draft, he would just tell the coach to EFF off and pick who he saw fit.
Marshall
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Shhh! Don't let facts get in the way of a good rant.
CloakNNNdagger
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badboy
Hall of Fame
To management (O'Brien) JD is a tool to win games. I think Clowney would agree with that but if he the tool breaks, he might not be used again. Reminds me of the chicken and pig arguing about who contributes most to breakfast. The chicken (team) contributes an egg. The pig (player) is breakfast.
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No names, his only later referenced "Number 1 pick". Said maybe a few veterans think he should come back at less than 100% "because everyone plays at less than 100% in the NFL".
Just like Newton was in 2013. I trust our TTalk Dr., who is a pretty renowned surgeon in his own right, over Kaplan who has a pretty spotty track record. They pronounced Newton ready. He said he wasn't. They put him back out there anyway, and you saw his 2013. Now compare that to his 2014 start. Doctors usually collaborate with patients on recovery, except with some teams in the NFL, and there's a reason for that.
Did you call Rick about this...???
As did I with my PT after my back injury. One week post injury he was trying to get me to do exactly what caused the injury. When I told him that was a movement my Orthopedic specifically said to not do, he kept pressing. And it is their job to push you. A later office visit with my Orthopedic confirmed the PT was off-base timing wise. The Dr. removed about 20% of the daily exercises from my list, as he said they directly compromised my issue.
Regardless of my crap, this was a calculated press release -- and I use that term on purpose -- to pressure Clowney to play on Monday Night Football when "the world" will be watching. I'd be surprised if it passed O'Brien's desk. I'd also be surprised if he doesn't do some digging into who inside his organization is leaking information, if this was from inside. O'Brien has always struck me as Belichickean as far keeping everything in house/no leaks/tight ship. As to who, think of who has the most to gain/lose with Clowney.
And just for the record, Jayson Braddock was 100% on Clowney, no doubt, absolutely the first pick in the draft. I respect JB, but think he's being used as mouthpiece here -- not unusual for media.
CloakNNNdagger
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No names, his only later referenced "Number 1 pick". Said maybe a few veterans think he should come back at less than 100% "because everyone plays at less than 100% in the NFL".
Just like Newton was in 2013. I trust our TTalk Dr., who is a pretty renowned surgeon in his own right, over Kaplan who has a pretty spotty track record. They pronounced Newton ready. He said he wasn't. They put him back out there anyway, and you saw his 2013. Now compare that to his 2014 start. Doctors usually collaborate with patients on recovery, except with some teams in the NFL, and there's a reason for that.
Did you call Rick about this...???
As did I with my PT after my back injury. One week post injury he was trying to get me to do exactly what caused the injury. When I told him that was a movement my Orthopedic specifically said to not do, he kept pressing. And it is their job to push you. A later office visit with my Orthopedic confirmed the PT was off-base timing wise. The Dr. removed about 20% of the daily exercises from my list, as he said they directly compromised my issue.
Regardless of my crap, this was a calculated press release -- and I use that term on purpose -- to pressure Clowney to play on Monday Night Football when "the world" will be watching. I'd be surprised if it passed O'Brien's desk. I'd also be surprised if he doesn't do some digging into who inside his organization is leaking information, if this was from inside. O'Brien has always struck me as Belichickean as far keeping everything in house/no leaks/tight ship. As to who, think of who has the most to gain/lose with Clowney.
And just for the record, Jayson Braddock was 100% on Clowney, no doubt, absolutely the first pick in the draft. I respect JB, but think he's being used as mouthpiece here -- not unusual for media.
Exactly what I'm thinking.
I seriously doubt OB cares to be "dicated" to by anyone. I don't even know what that means, but I don't think I'd like it either
The doctors have fully cleared him.
does he have any additional access to the players, or is he reading the same stuff we are?
Granted I appreciate that he shares his insight with us, but he isn't examining or treating these guys. The doctors who are said he'd be out four to six weeks & five weeks later have cleared him to play.
I guarantee you Jj Watt isn't 100% seven weeks into the season. He's probably playing with something Doc wouldn't advise.... Just like Aj, Brooks, Arian, & Dj...
Marshall
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I'm having issues with COMPANY DOCTORS myself right now. My daughter was injured on the job and they took her to a medical facility. But at that point, it was like she wasn't even there. They spoke only with the company reps and didn't even require them to leave while she was being examined nor would they let her call her brother who happens to be a paramedic in the area. They put her on light duty for two days and then put her right back out on the job where she was injured. The corrective actions, workplace barriers, were erected only AFTER the job was almost done and the danger wasn't mitigated.
I'm opposed to frivolous lawsuits, but sometimes legitimate lawsuits are the only way to obtain justice. It shouldn't be that way, but people are human in the worst sense of the word.
(Much more to the story, but this rabbit has gone far enough)
All this is to say that it depends on the loyalty of the doctors which pronounced him fit. Doctors are not ALL diligent in their duty to place the patients interest above all others.
badboy
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yep the ones working for team. If Clowney's choice of surgeons clears him, then he should play.
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I don't know. Do you read medical journals, research studies? Are you a surgeon and qualified expert in surgical procedures and protocols, medical/hospital certification, disease medical research?
Did you read the NFL study on lateral meniscus tears that stated average length of time to return to play of 8.5 months? Or the more recent study on significant pain/knee effusion in a broader professional athlete population (soccer, baseball, etc.) that showed ~60 days to return to play?
Somebody somewhere throws out a "4-6 weeks" and the media runs with that because they don't know any better... and we run with that because we're not doctors... well CND is a doctor and he is all of the above and he brings a reality check to the situation. A situation that can cost wins, cause other injuries, and can wrongly cause a player to become the target of derision from a fanbase that has been under-informed.
Like I said, I appreciate the insight he brings, but he isn't examining the players. There's no "I trust what CnD says" when the information he gives us is anecdotal (no offense intended). The guy in who's care JD is in says he is ready to go.
You mean the guy that is being paid by the team? Wouldn't be a conflict of interest there or anything...
No names, his only later referenced "Number 1 pick". Said maybe a few veterans think he should come back at less than 100% "because everyone plays at less than 100% in the NFL".
Just like Newton was in 2013. I trust our TTalk Dr., who is a pretty renowned surgeon in his own right, over Kaplan who has a pretty spotty track record. They pronounced Newton ready. He said he wasn't. They put him back out there anyway, and you saw his 2013. Now compare that to his 2014 start. Doctors usually collaborate with patients on recovery, except with some teams in the NFL, and there's a reason for that.
Did you call Rick about this...???
As did I with my PT after my back injury. One week post injury he was trying to get me to do exactly what caused the injury. When I told him that was a movement my Orthopedic specifically said to not do, he kept pressing. And it is their job to push you. A later office visit with my Orthopedic confirmed the PT was off-base timing wise. The Dr. removed about 20% of the daily exercises from my list, as he said they directly compromised my issue.
Regardless of my crap, this was a calculated press release -- and I use that term on purpose -- to pressure Clowney to play on Monday Night Football when "the world" will be watching. I'd be surprised if it passed O'Brien's desk. I'd also be surprised if he doesn't do some digging into who inside his organization is leaking information, if this was from inside. O'Brien has always struck me as Belichickean as far keeping everything in house/no leaks/tight ship. As to who, think of who has the most to gain/lose with Clowney.
And just for the record, Jayson Braddock was 100% on Clowney, no doubt, absolutely the first pick in the draft. I respect JB, but think he's being used as mouthpiece here -- not unusual for media.
A man who knows how the Texans org works.
Repped
You mean the same Dr.'s that said that Boselli /DDW were healthy or re commended that Schaub was healthy enough to have his contract extended? Or that it was a good idea to rush Netwon back etc....
I choose to trust CND's thoughts with a lot less info than the Texans team Dr.'s. The difference is CND give an unbiased opinion, even though he doesn't have the info the Texans DR.'S have.
The NFL has run rampant with DR.'s like DR. Andrews who have whored themselves out to NFL orgs. (Thanks DR. Andrews for selling out to Shanny and ruining RG3's career.)
Not really. We don't know what the doctors are saying. All we get is coach speak.[/QUOTE]
??? wtf? You were the one taking the stance that since medical staff has cleared him he must be ok and CND doesn't know what he's talking about
Nope. Never said that. People take CnDs words as if he is saying, "I looked at JaDaveon's X-ray & I recommend another three weeks of rest." when all he ever says is, "if he actually had xxxx instead of xxxx like they said, then it could be xxxxx." or, "If they were correct in their diagnosis, so-&-so would be in full practice right now."
TEXANRED
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you will have to dig for that quote, I posted that 9 years ago. I re-googled it and was not willing to sift through 9 years of info. If you would like, feel free to sift through 8-9 years worth of information. Maybe I was not entering the correct search criteria. But the quote from A to B is virtually the same.
My question is if the H/C has as much power as some would say then why spend millions of dollars on a GM?
TEXANRED
Texan-American
and I wonder who employs the doctors......cough****ricksmith*****cough.
Obviously you have never had a manual labor job and have never had to visit a Concentra doctor.
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