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That's certainly the feeling I get as well. Certain posters here cling to their agendas like a drowning man to a life vest. That would apply to me as well, with my "fix the damn O-line" agenda. Don't care too much who's QB as long as our line thinks Vandebosch is part of our backfield and belongs there (name your pass rusher, it all fits).
Bullpucky.....
We had the same crap against Indy, Washington, Miami, & Dallas.... including tennessee, that's 5 of 7 games where David Carr Fumbled the ball, or threw Ints when there was no(none, zip, zero, zilch, nada) pressure on him. How many times was David sacked against Dallas?? One..... how many times was he hit?? maybe three.
did you watch any Dallas Games this year?? Bledsoe vs Romo?? Carr vs Sage?? it's the same thing. We gave up no sacks when Sage was in the game, to the same 4 man rush that had Carr coughing up footballs.
& false starts hurt...... I ain't gone lie. But none of them, not one of them stopped a drive..... One of the flase starts was on the drive that led to David's fumble that was returned for a touchdown.......
the other, was on the progression that Sage scored a touchdown.
go figure.
Some guys need excuses..... some guys make up for their guys mistakes..... it's called putting a team on his back.
When you put on the goggles of objectivity, you can see that David is not solely responsible for this team's success or failure. He's one of the 53 men that are part of a team, his position is magnified because when he lets go of the ball (to pass, in my example, not to fumble)
b -- WHYISITALWAYSNEXTYEARThe players who are willing to forgive once or maybe twice will lose faithand the fans will all stroke out! Whether you are a Carr fan or hater it will be ugly for the Texans franchise!
Carr has the ability to brown nose his way to keep his job. Just remeber he is friends with Mcnair. Most QB's hardly have that relationship with an owner like Carr does.
Thats why it is going to be so SWEEEEEEET when he gets to hand the Super Bowl trophy over to Mr.McNair, when they win it together.
Brown Nose, now thats funny, I think it takes one low person to say something like that, questioning David Carrs mentality, is that the new thing going around.
One last thing to point out...although the record show 2-5....thats still better than last year....
If you look back to Elway's and Favre's careers in the early stages, they too were very disliked by the fans.
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The point is to let it ride and see what happens.
Their early stage, I'll grant you, were mostly their first 2 to 3 years. But keep in mind that these guys came in under established systems for their individual team and had to work into those respective systems. Yes, Carr has given us, to say the least, some mediocre seasons. At the same time, we cant stick it all on the QB. But to go from a defensive minded coach and his playbook to an offensive minded coach and his playbook is like a 180 degree turn-around. To say that Carr is not learning the system fast enough may be true...but is the rest of the offense learning any faster??
Carr just keeps gettin bashed here and on the field...lol.
I can think of 8 million reasons Sage will not be our starter this season. Can you imagine how stupid thats gonna make Kubes look to Big Daddy Bob? Besides, ya gotta love the fight in David ...
...but I don't want to see the same limited improvement for 5 more years.
Dude, you just have no patience at all.
Good point about the established systems.
The question about learning fast enough isn't necessarily about the new system though. If he makes the same fundamental mistakes year after year - misreads defenses (coverages, blitzes, etc.), doesn't take care of the ball, locks in on one receiver, throws to the wrong receiver, etc. then it isn't about the system. It is about how much he's learned in 4.5 years.
I agree on the learning thing. But wouldn't you say that "good learning" from a good teacher is just as critical as the student?? I would say that Carr has not had much in the way of a "good teacher". Maybe I am being a little easy on this subject, but at the same time, I personally would like to see this system work out, regardles of who is the chosen QB. Currently, its Carr, so I figure, give him a chance and the system to work, before I start calling for his head...
Any improvement over last year would certainly be an improvement on the scope of things for the team.
I believe Salaam apologized to david and McKenney actually dogged his fellow O lineman saying THEY need to play better, not david.
But I see David getting killed against the Giants, Sage will be the starter and I will see if Sage is the man to take us to the promised land.
If David is getting killed, Sage will suffer the same fate!! If P. Manning was our QB he to would suffer the same fate...doesn't matter who is back there. If the O-line stinks it up again I dont care if we have J. Montana in his prime, he will get killed also....enough said
Carr had problems learning/executing Palmer's playbook, and they finally gave up trying to teach it to him, finally trying to simplify everything as much as they could for David.
IMO, the problem is not in giving Carr the time to learn Kubiak's offense--rather, the problem is Carr being able to 'grasp' what little he's been 'exposed' to and effectively executing it on the field. JMO, but this is why Sage's results are better on the field than Carrs. Sage understands what they have been taught of the playbook so far and David--like with Palmer's playbook--does not....some people get 'things' and some people don't...
The bottom line is that what we've gotten so far from Carr the past 4+ years may be the best its going to get--great physical tools, weak comprehension/execution. Kubiak's offense requires effective/timely decision making and--simply put-this appears to be a Carr weakness....not trying to 'knock' David here...
Were is this one bad game crap coming from??
He did the same thing against Indy, Washinton, Miami & Dallas. Including this game, that is five out of 7 games that David Turned the ball over.... Dallas is the only game that it was 2 Ints(one definitely not his fault), but the others were multiple fumble games, where he lost at least one that went for a score.
I believe David is the future, and I believe David should start against NYG, but we need to be honest about the situation, and pray like heck, that Kubiak is as well.
I seriously doubt CoachK is thinking David had one bad half.
If David is getting killed, Sage will suffer the same fate!! If P. Manning was our QB he to would suffer the same fate...doesn't matter who is back there. If the O-line stinks it up again I dont care if we have J. Montana in his prime, he will get killed also....enough said
Against the Titans, Carr got sacked 3 times--Sage, ZERO.
I agree on the learning thing. But wouldn't you say that "good learning" from a good teacher is just as critical as the student?? I would say that Carr has not had much in the way of a "good teacher". Maybe I am being a little easy on this subject, but at the same time, I personally would like to see this system work out, regardles of who is the chosen QB. Currently, its Carr, so I figure, give him a chance and the system to work, before I start calling for his head...
Any improvement over last year would certainly be an improvement on the scope of things for the team.
I do believe there is some truth to what you are saying.
But I also believe Peyton Manning would be Peyton Manning, Tom Brady would be Tom Brady, McNabb would be McNabb, & Vince would be Vince, no matter where they went. Some things you can't teach, and people with strong personalities tend to define their surroundings more than their surroundings define them.