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The spin move is so ineffective.
And it was 10 times for like 21 yards. They didnt run much because they basically couldnt. You know what that means? Babin was good in run D. He will get a hang of rushing the QB just give him time. Whens the last time you were just able to run around a 6 and a half foot 300+ lb Offensive Tackle? You see giving up, I see him fighting his guts out.georgewashington said:didnt run too well at him? they only ran 10 times. I bash him because there is no excuse for giving up on a pash rush. and if you watched he really didnt collapse the pocket that well, and yes i do say this every week because it happens every week. call me a babin hater or whatever else but as long as i see him giving up on plays before they are over there is not going to be any respect from me, no excuse to stopping during a play with your back to the ball that many times.
georgewashington said:Im tired of all this Babin is improving talk. Did anyone watch him today, his pass rush is terrible. He got pressure twice, once Byron completed a 20 yard pass still, and the other time he wiffed and missed a sack. And if you watch the tackle even cheated by letting him get a step high because everytime he rolled back to the inside. And half of the spins he stopped halfway around and just stood there with his back to the ball. He made one good open field tackle, but most of the time he is just standing around. You cant really be improving much when you dont do anything. He is very over rated.
georgewashington said:Stating someone doesnt know what they are talking about is a personal attack, by definition it is attacking them and their opinions.
You know Andre, I think that's the issue for some of us (me for sure). I remember reading so much about Suggs last year because we were real closeAndre_Johnson80 said:Hes a Rookie and Hes not Terrell Suggs (That LB is going to be one of the BEST LOLB to ever play the game) But he is going to get better he is just getting a hang at LB and he is just try to adjust to the NFL play..
nunusguy said:You know Andre, I think that's the issue for some of us (me for sure). I remember reading so much about Suggs last year because we were real close
to taking him, atleast in the preliminary stages of the draft analysis. But as you probably recall, his workouts (particularly 40 times) were very disappointing and that was very instrumental in us passing on him. And then when he went to play for the Ravens, it turned out that he was the "real deal". And we have been so needing a steller pass rusher at OLB. And then we drafted Babin, and in a controversial style by
paying such a premium price to the Titans for him. Especially when many feel we could have patiently waited with our 2 round pick and found him on the board when our turn came around. I guess I figured he would be
the explosive, dominant edge rusher that Suggs turned out to be very early in his NFL career - and Jason is not that. I just gotta lower my expectations.
Absolutely ! You know Andre, so much of the exchanges on this board surrounding Babin have been negative, we're gonna have to stop being so congenial or they might throw us off the board for being out of step with the crowd. But yea, Jason Babin is no Terrell Suggs. But as good as Suggs is and ultimately may end up being, I bet AJ beats him to the HOF ! I think our guy could be that great ! We got the best football player in the 2003 NFL college draft ! End of story.Andre_Johnson80 said:Thanks for seeing it like that man, But look who we got, the best WR taken in years from what I can see. AJ will continue to show us why we took him third in the draft.. Terrell suggs is awesome and they both would have done us great but I know we did the right thing in taking AJ.
nunusguy said:Especially when many feel we could have patiently waited with our 2 round pick and found him on the board when our turn came around. I guess I figured he would be
the explosive, dominant edge rusher that Suggs turned out to be very early in his NFL career - and Jason is not that. I just gotta lower my expectations.
If that is the case he would have been put on the weak side. They put Babin on the strong side because of his run support and all-around game. You put your best pass rusher on the weak side/blind side. We haven't allowed a TD in quite a few quarters now and held the Jags down like no one has. If he was a big liability he would be exploited like Matt Stephens was. Trust me, if you are a weak link in the NFL, coordinators will exploit you.georgewashington said:I dont think he disagrees with taking AJ over Suggs, he is just saying that Babin was billed to be the next suggs coming off the edge and hasnt been
nunusguy said:. Especially when many feel we could have patiently waited with our 2 round pick and found him on the board when our turn came around.
Htown34s said:The way I see this Babin vs. Peek thing is the that Babin has more upside, especially his ability to cover a TE. He may not have the huge motor that Peek does, but close. But he has a lot of other tools that Peek doesn't like the ability to drop into pass coverage.
I thought this was well known and that the coaches have even said this before. Peek is a 100% pass rush guy, and a good addition to the team. He is just more of a specialty type player.
Peek got burned last year when trying to cover a TE. Babin got confused a few times in preseason, but has been right on top of guys during coverage lately.
Am I wrong on this?
That's a good point George, and its really a form of economic discriminationgeorgewashington said:babin is going to be given the chance to grow and improve in games, where as peek will have to do it in practice (which in the NFL isnt as likely since there isnt much hitting etc. during practice in season)
Vinny said:Wong had 34 tackles and 5.5 sacks on the strong side OLB his first year here starting all 16 games. That is the same side Babin is on. It takes time, and the OLB will not get the majority of the tackles in this defense, but you need to understand that to grasp that.
Vinny said:http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12840
Year Team G Total Tckl Ast Sacks Int Yds Avg Lg TD Pass Def
1998 Minnesota Vikings 15 19 17.0 2 1.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 1
1999 Minnesota Vikings 13 48 35.0 13 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 2
2000 Minnesota Vikings 16 112 84.0 28 2 2 28 14.0 14 0 2
2001 Minnesota Vikings 16 98 83.0 15 3 1 27 27.0 27 1 3
2002 Houston Texans 16 43 34.0 9 5.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 8
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12840/gamelogs/2002
GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Tkl Solo Ast Sacks Int Yds Lg TD Pass Def FF Rec Yds TD
09/08 Dallas W 19-10 Yes 2.0 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
09/15 @San Diego L 3-24 Yes 2.0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
09/22 Indianapolis L 3-23 Yes 1.0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
09/29 @Philadelphia L 17-35 Yes 2.0 2 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
October Tackles Interceptions Fumbles
GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Tkl Solo Ast Sacks Int Yds Lg TD Pass Def FF Rec Yds TD
10/13 Buffalo L 24-31 Yes 3.0 2 1 0.5 0 0 0 0 2 1 0 0 0
10/20 @Cleveland L 17-34 Yes 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
10/27 @Jacksonville W 21-19 Yes 4.0 4 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
November Tackles Interceptions Fumbles
GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Tkl Solo Ast Sacks Int Yds Lg TD Pass Def FF Rec Yds TD
11/03 Cincinnati L 3-38 Yes 3.0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
11/10 @Tennessee L 10-17 Yes 2.0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
11/17 Jacksonville L 21-24 Yes 2.0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
11/24 New York W 16-14 Yes 3.0 3 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
December Tackles Interceptions Fumbles
GAMEDATE Opp RESULT GS Tkl Solo Ast Sacks Int Yds Lg TD Pass Def FF Rec Yds TD
12/01 @Indianapolis L 3-19 Yes 3.0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
12/08 @Pittsburgh W 24-6 Yes 2.0 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
12/15 Baltimore L 19-23 Yes 2.0 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
12/22 @Washington L 10-26 Yes 1.0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0
12/29 Tennessee L 3-13 Yes 2.0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Welcome to the forum George. We have a small group that has been discussing football here for years. Most of us know who grasps the game well (amongst our long time posters), and frankly we don't know you in any other manner except that you have come in sideways on the rookie and bring an argument that has a weak foundation and no basis. I've done it myself. We all learn something collectively when you (or anyone) brings forth a good argument and can back it up with a bit of logic and rational thought. Hang in there and you will learn a few things from guys like ses, aj, infantrycak, Lucky and many of our other long-term posters (too many to mention, but you will figure out who knows his stuff and who doesn't as you measure their comments with what happens on the field). I'm sure we can learn a thing or two from you also. Just throw down your take and back it up. I've been owned by Ses, aj, Lucky, and a few others over the years on a few issues from time to time. I throw out a ton of opinion so I'm going to be wrong sometimes. In turn, I'm sure I've probably changed their thinking on a few issues from time to time. We know how you feel on this issue. Perhaps if you came at it less absoutely you would find more acceptance to your point of view.georgewashington said:I guess i stand corrected, i was just quoting the texans web page