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2019 1.23 TYTUS HOWARD OT Alabama State

Are you happy with our first round pick?


  • Total voters
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My biggest concern with Howard as a RD1. If he struggles like Davenport and is transitioned RT, there may not be a position for him since I fully expect Scharping to take a hold of the RT position and not let it go. That would mean the team has missed on LT twice and now have Davenport, Henderson, Howard and Scharping as RT's. I would include Rankins but it seems as though the Texans are prepared to have him play LG but I did hear Gaine state that they haven't ruled out the idea of him returning to LT.

This is a ducking mess b/c the Texans don't have a HC or OL Coach who can really sort this shite out and get these players established at a certain position. Duck!!!! A bunch of, "jack of all trades.....master of none" OL. I believe the talent is there but no one to prepare it for NFL competition.
 
My biggest concern with Howard as a RD1. If he struggles like Davenport and is transitioned RT, there may not be a position for him since I fully expect Scharping to take a hold of the RT position and not let it go. That would mean the team has missed on LT twice and now have Davenport, Henderson, Howard and Scharping as RT's. I would include Rankins but it seems as though the Texans are prepared to have him play LG but I did hear Gaine state that they haven't ruled out the idea of him returning to LT.

This is a ducking mess b/c the Texans don't have a HC or OL Coach who can really sort this shite out and get these players established at a certain position. Duck!!!! A bunch of, "jack of all trades.....master of none" OL. I believe the talent is there but no one to prepare it for NFL competition.
That's easy. Draft a left-handed franchise QB!!! :fans::spit::slapfight::corrosion:
 
That's easy. Draft a left-handed franchise QB!!! :fans::spit::slapfight::corrosion:

They could cover their arses and sign LT, Mitch Hyatt as an UDFA. Hell, at least he's played LT for four years at an All American level while doing so against some of the best college defenses. I think they mentioned in an article that he gave up a total of 7 sacks over 4 seasons. It wouldn't be out of the realm of reality that our LT's could give up 7 sacks over a 1 or 2 game period.
 
My biggest concern with Howard as a RD1. If he struggles like Davenport and is transitioned RT, there may not be a position for him since I fully expect Scharping to take a hold of the RT position and not let it go. That would mean the team has missed on LT twice and now have Davenport, Henderson, Howard and Scharping as RT's. I would include Rankins but it seems as though the Texans are prepared to have him play LG but I did hear Gaine state that they haven't ruled out the idea of him returning to LT.

This is a ducking mess b/c the Texans don't have a HC or OL Coach who can really sort this shite out and get these players established at a certain position. Duck!!!! A bunch of, "jack of all trades.....master of none" OL. I believe the talent is there but no one to prepare it for NFL competition.

Agree. The FO seems to value versatility over expert specialist. I can understand versatility for depth but not at every OL position.
 
My biggest concern with Howard as a RD1. If he struggles like Davenport and is transitioned RT, there may not be a position for him since I fully expect Scharping to take a hold of the RT position and not let it go. That would mean the team has missed on LT twice and now have Davenport, Henderson, Howard and Scharping as RT's. I would include Rankins but it seems as though the Texans are prepared to have him play LG but I did hear Gaine state that they haven't ruled out the idea of him returning to LT.

This is a ducking mess b/c the Texans don't have a HC or OL Coach who can really sort this shite out and get these players established at a certain position. Duck!!!! A bunch of, "jack of all trades.....master of none" OL. I believe the talent is there but no one to prepare it for NFL competition.

Rankin is a Guard. Sharping might be a Guard if tackle doesn't work out. Davenport is a LT only. If he's not starting he's a swing tackle.

I think Howard & Sharping were drafted to develop into LT. If they don't make it, they can be moved to RT or Guard. If for some odd reason they aren't able to supplant Davenport,

Davenport, Rankin, Martin, Sharping, Howard can be a pretty good OL. Get a stud LT next year & we've got a damn good OL. Possibly.
 
Gaine made the right choice.

The Browns had the overall 49th pick in the 2nd round. If the Texans traded down to #49, these were the OT's that would have been taken by then.

31 Atlanta Falcons Kaleb McGary OT Washington
35 Jacksonville Jaguars Jawaan Taylor OT Florida
37 Carolina Panthers Greg Little OT Ole Miss
38 Buffalo Bills Cody Ford OT Oklahoma
41 Denver Broncos Dalton Risner OT Kansas State

Don't you think Howard would have been among the five OT's taken before #49? Even if you're thinking about trading back up, you'd need the clairvoyance to know to jump ahead of #31 and the luck to find a trading partner between 24 and 31.
Who cares? This draft was loaded and we could of had two first next year. Instead take a project? Not to mention the 4th this year where there was a lot of really good talent.
 
So you didn't like the pick? Noticed you didn't vote in the poll and just want to nail you down. Do you think he'll bust or no better than the current weakest link? Stop lawyering and let your fan out
It’s not about liking the player. It’s about value. Some people can’t understand that for some odd reason. The great GMs manipulate the draft to get the best value they can. Others reach for need. It’s not the end of the world if you trade back and miss out on a single player especially if you have gotten good value out of the trade back. Howard will not start this year at LT and if he does, I feel sorry for Watson.

Do you guys really want another small school rookie starting at LT? Hell if that’s the case I would rather have SHarping there. He graded out higher is pass pro than Howard. Still don’t want that though. I get it Davenport sucks. But replacing him with a guy that hasn’t even played much LT at a small college is a dumb idea. We could of had a starting RT for the next 10 years or moved down to a loaded ( with talent) second round and had two first round picks for Ammo to get legit top talent LT next year. Or we could of taken Sweat a top 15 talent. Or we could of taken one of the best CBs in the entire draft.

Any of those scenarios seem better to me than taking a project small school Guy with little experience at one of the toughest positions in all of football.
 
So endlessly draft "versatile" OTs, throw them at LT until one sticks and then if not, hope they can stick anywhere else on the line if that doesn't work.

I thought they at least admitted Rankin is a guard, but no. Gaine back out there saying he can play all spots including tackle
 
It’s not about liking the player. It’s about value. Some people can’t understand that for some odd reason. The great GMs manipulate the draft to get the best value they can. Others reach for need. It’s not the end of the world if you trade back and miss out on a single player especially if you have gotten good value out of the trade back. Howard will not start this year at LT and if he does, I feel sorry for Watson.

Do you guys really want another small school rookie starting at LT? Hell if that’s the case I would rather have SHarping there. He graded out higher is pass pro than Howard. Still don’t want that though. I get it Davenport sucks. But replacing him with a guy that hasn’t even played much LT at a small college is a dumb idea. We could of had a starting RT for the next 10 years or moved down to a loaded ( with talent) second round and had two first round picks for Ammo to get legit top talent LT next year. Or we could of taken Sweat a top 15 talent. Or we could of taken one of the best CBs in the entire draft.

Any of those scenarios seem better to me than taking a project small school Guy with little experience at one of the toughest positions in all of football.

Much the same was said when Duane Brown came out, but then it came out later that San Diego was prepared to take him with the next pick or so. And DB didn't start his rookie year either. I just think that it's much too early to determine it it' was a reach or not. NFL teams obviously had him rated higher than most draft pundits and if the Texans had him that high on their board then he was the value pick regardless of what you or I think... I don't get why most think that teams have the same board they do. Fans are fans and not in the business for a reason.
 
Much the same was said when Duane Brown came out, but then it came out later that San Diego was prepared to take him with the next pick or so.

Really dislike how folks are equalizing a small reach discusaion with a huge reaxh discussion. Most people had DB as a 1 or 1-2 type guy and he was taken at 27. Not a 2 or 2-3 tyoe guy taken at 23.

Also the Texans DID trade back for DB & they had no 2nd round pick (Schaub trade),.

And DB didn't start his rookie year either. I just think that it's much too early to determine it it' was a reach or not. NFL teams obviously had him rated higher than most draft pundits

DB started every game in 2008. It was planned he would be spelled by Salaam.

NFL teams had him higher? Only one that we know of, the Texans.
 
Much the same was said when Duane Brown came out, but then it came out later that San Diego was prepared to take him with the next pick or so. And DB didn't start his rookie year either. I just think that it's much too early to determine it it' was a reach or not. NFL teams obviously had him rated higher than most draft pundits and if the Texans had him that high on their board then he was the value pick regardless of what you or I think... I don't get why most think that teams have the same board they do. Fans are fans and not in the business for a reason.
So you’re ok with taking a player with very little experience at LT from a small school with our most valuable draft asset? If getting a LT was so god dammed critical in the first we should of found a way to trade up one effen spot and taken the way higher valued guy. Enough of this dumb **** about we’re not experts they are. They’re not infallible. If they were they wouldn’t of been in this position to begin with.
 
So you’re ok with taking a player with very little experience at LT from a small school with our most valuable draft asset? If getting a LT was so god dammed critical in the first we should of found a way to trade up one effen spot and taken the way higher valued guy. Enough of this dumb **** about we’re not experts they are. They’re not infallible. If they were they wouldn’t of been in this position to begin with.

Never said I was okay with it. I just think that 48 hours is much too soon to declare it either a reach or a great pick
 
Really dislike how folks are equalizing a small reach discusaion with a huge reaxh discussion. Most people had DB as a 1 or 1-2 type guy and he was taken at 27. Not a 2 or 2-3 tyoe guy taken at 23.

Also the Texans DID trade back for DB & they had no 2nd round pick (Schaub trade),.



DB started every game in 2008. It was planned he would be spelled by Salaam.

NFL teams had him higher? Only one that we know of, the Texans.
Oh how those forget

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/duane-brown?id=808

A former tight end, Brown is an intriguing developmental prospect who has made significant improvement throughout since moving to offensive tackle three years ago. Blessed with rare straight-line speed for the position, Brown remains a bit of a project but developed better use of his hands and knee bend as a senior. A strong showing during the week of practice at the East-West Shrine Game had scouts buzzing about Brown as a potential mid-round pick who could emerge as a future starter with continued development.
 
Never said I was okay with it. I just think that 48 hours is much too soon to declare it either a reach or a great pick
What does time have to do with it? Again, they drafted a project athlete with our most valuable draft asset. I don’t need time to know it was a reach.
 
Oh how those forget

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/duane-brown?id=808

A former tight end, Brown is an intriguing developmental prospect who has made significant improvement throughout since moving to offensive tackle three years ago. Blessed with rare straight-line speed for the position, Brown remains a bit of a project but developed better use of his hands and knee bend as a senior. A strong showing during the week of practice at the East-West Shrine Game had scouts buzzing about Brown as a potential mid-round pick who could emerge as a future starter with continued development.
Yes and there was risk there. Great he turned out good. We have too many holes to be taking these kind of risk with our best available assets even if it’s worked out in the past.

What are the percentages of small school OTs working out as LTs in the NFL? Just because some guy bought a lottery ticket and won doesn’t mean you’re going to win if you buy one.
 
Yes and there was risk there. Great he turned out good. We have too many holes to be taking these kind of risk with our best available assets even if it’s worked out in the past.

What are the percentages of small school OTs working out as LTs in the NFL? Just because some guy bought a lottery ticket and won doesn’t mean you’re going to win if you buy one.

Too many holes compared to that Texans team?! No way. Texans had glaring holes at OT and CB sure but this roster is way more talented than Brown’s rookie year roster.
 
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Too many holes compared to that Texans team?! No way. Texans had glaring holes at OT and CB sure but this roster is way more talented than Brown’s rookie year roster.
i didn’t say that. But even so it was a gamble ( not near as bad odds) then. Again if it was so important to get that LT then find a way to move up one spot.
 
Oh how those forget

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Best you could do is a throw away comment in a combine article. Thx for proving my point.

Here is Walters football's mock on the eve of the draft with DB at 39. Link

If you'll fully recall that draft there was a "run" on OTs, the opposite of this year's.

And with reminding you I didn't say there was NO reach discussion, I said it was much smaller - I'm out on this.
 
Yes! This was a gamble. We may get lucky but the percentages are against us so no I don’t need time.

Did you think Jamarcus Russell a great pick after 48 hours? Upset about Hopkins over Patterson" Watt over Fairly? 48 hours is too soon even if you're Eddie Murphy
 
I like the look! (see pic below)

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Texans No. 1 pick Tytus Howard is all grown up
Aaron Wilson , Houston Chronicle April 26, 2019 Updated: April 27, 2019 3:29 p.m.

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The transformation of Tytus Howard from an obscure high school quarterback into a hulking offensive tackle and the Texans’ latest first-round draft pick involved him hoisting heavy metal and consuming heaping portions of chicken spaghetti and Kool-Aid pies.

And the story of the 6-5, 322-pound, 21-year-old all-conference selection from Alabama State – now 100 pounds heavier and three inches taller than his senior year of high school - starts with the colorful nickname his adoring mother gave him: “Weenie.”

Born prematurely, Howard was once a little guy running around his mother’s home in small-town Monroeville, Ala. Population: 6,519. The town is best known for producing acclaimed writers Truman Capote and Harper Lee.


"We still call him ‘Weenie,’ it’s hard not to call him, ‘Weenie,’” said Teresa Rivers, Howard’s mother, Friday afternoon at NRG Stadium following his introductory press conference. “He was the smallest thing in the house, but he had the biggest heart. He stayed trying to prove his strength. It’s a hometown name that’s hard to drop.”

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Growing up, the first organized football team Howard played for was called the ‘Tiny Mites.’ Rivers recalled how his helmet was bigger than his body.

Her son doesn’t mind the affectionate sobriquet.

Hey, it comes with the territory with a doting mother who broke into tears when the Texans drafted her son with the 23rd overall pick Thursday night.

“It’s pretty funny because everybody’s like, ‘Hey, we can’t call you, ‘Weenie,’ now,” said Howard, who was accompanied to his first day at work by Rivers, his fiancée, Chelsea, and his grandmother, Wyona. “We’ve got to call you, ‘Hot link,' now."

The way Howard emerged as one of the hottest commodities prior to the draft – visiting 24 teams, including the Texans, is a unique situation.

Once a 6-2, 225-pound high school quarterback who doubled as a kicker and tight end, Howard didn't garner much attention from recruiters despite having a strong arm and a versatile style for a Monroe County High School team that didn’t win many games.


Growing into position

THE REST OF THE STORY
 
It’s not about the player it’s about maximizing your opportunity.

i didn’t say that. But even so it was a gamble ( not near as bad odds) then. Again if it was so important to get that LT then find a way to move up one spot.

Ok you have talked about his limited time as a LT in several posts now, just using this one to save time. Correct me if I’m wrong, and I’ll admit I may be, but the important thing about the LT is he is guarding the QBs blind side right?

If so then Howard’s time playing RT is equal to playing LT because they had a left handed QB so his blind side is RT. I’m sure there are more details involved but the important thing to me on that is he was the guy trusted with the blind side whether it was LT or RT.
 
Best you could do is a throw away comment in a combine article. Thx for proving my point.

Here is Walters football's mock on the eve of the draft with DB at 39. Link

If you'll fully recall that draft there was a "run" on OTs, the opposite of this year's.

And with reminding you I didn't say there was NO reach discussion, I said it was much smaller - I'm out on this.
And even at that pick, they stated it would be a reach.

Well, they're just going to have to reach for the top lineman remaining on the board.

The fact is, we reached on both players because they have the skillset to be a high-end player. The question is, can this coaching staff produce the same way Gibbs did? I hope so, but do have some doubts.
 
Ok you have talked about his limited time as a LT in several posts now, just using this one to save time. Correct me if I’m wrong, and I’ll admit I may be, but the important thing about the LT is he is guarding the QBs blind side right?

If so then Howard’s time playing RT is equal to playing LT because they had a left handed QB so his blind side is RT. I’m sure there are more details involved but the important thing to me on that is he was the guy trusted with the blind side whether it was LT or RT.

You really think facts matter here?
 
The Texans actually traded down when they got Duane Brown.

Would have been nice to do that here. Go down 10 picks and acquire extra draft capital, then get howard anyway

Thinking about this using my own mock draft in a what if scenario. Had Texans going OT @ #23 instead of Howard though it was Kaleb McGary. Had the disclaimer if a trade down not possible. So let’s assuming a team early in the 2nd like Atlanta who did to move up to get their tackle, Kaleb. So maybe Atlanta had Howard ranked ahead of Kaleb? Instead of taking him they’re able to draft Howard because Texans traded down, so just like Philly they bounce ahead of Texans to make selection. That’s just a what if, but see the point? Be a double whammy if Howard was your guy, hence I’m good not making that move, standing pat and making selection.
 
Ok you have talked about his limited time as a LT in several posts now, just using this one to save time. Correct me if I’m wrong, and I’ll admit I may be, but the important thing about the LT is he is guarding the QBs blind side right?

No. The important thing is he can play on the left. The foot movements, hand use, etc. is reversed. LT is also more valued because it is the traditional weak side and receives less TE assistance & faces the best pass rushers. Did their entire formations change with a QB change? - did the defenses flip? It's very much to his credit that can flip. But full time LT experience would be better than full time backside.

You really think facts matter here?

You really think a reach is a reach is a reach?
 
Did you think Jamarcus Russell a great pick after 48 hours? Upset about Hopkins over Patterson" Watt over Fairly? 48 hours is too soon even if you're Eddie Murphy
I laughed my ass off at the russel pick. You’re still missing the point. You’re never going to be 100%right in the draft. The larger the gamble the bigger the risk. Don’t mind these gambles later in the draft. Less risk. When you have gaping holes all over your roster you need to be more conservative with the risk you take. That is all I’m saying. It’s not to soon to say we played the draft poorly. It is too soon to say he won’t be a good player.
 
Also Atlanta could have selected Andre Dillard #14. Like Texans OL needed fortified to protect Matt Ryan but they choose OG Lindstrom (I would call that just as big of reach as Howard but still a fine prospect who address need). Then they traded back into first to get OT Kaleb (maybe because Texans choose Howard). Just a point other teams have similar issues/needs so often is the case their is a rush to address.
 
Thinking about this using my own mock draft in a what if scenario. Had Texans going OT @ #23 instead of Howard though it was Kaleb McGary. Had the disclaimer if a trade down not possible. So let’s assuming a team early in the 2nd like Atlanta who did to move up to get their tackle, Kaleb. So maybe Atlanta had Howard ranked ahead of Kaleb? Instead of taking him they’re able to draft Howard because Texans traded down, so just like Philly they bounce ahead of Texans to make selection. That’s just a what if, but see the point? Be a double whammy if Howard was your guy, hence I’m good not making that move, standing pat and making selection.

But Howard wasn't their guy, Dillard was.

Did they have them ranked almost equally? Doubtful
 
Oh how those forget

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/duane-brown?id=808

A former tight end, Brown is an intriguing developmental prospect who has made significant improvement throughout since moving to offensive tackle three years ago. Blessed with rare straight-line speed for the position, Brown remains a bit of a project but developed better use of his hands and knee bend as a senior. A strong showing during the week of practice at the East-West Shrine Game had scouts buzzing about Brown as a potential mid-round pick who could emerge as a future starter with continued development.
Surprisingly little out there for draft profiles. The only other thing I found besides your link was this article: http://sports.outsidethebeltway.com...1-26-houston-texans-ot-duane-brown/index.html which projected him as a 3rd round pick. It's a politics site so take that comment w/ a grain of salt, but the article references Scouts Inc had Brown as their 58th ranked prospect (late 2nd) and Dallas sports columnist Rick Gosselin had him ranked 56 and commented on the DB pick, "Quiiiite a reach here. Clearly, a need move rather than a value move. I don’t like it."

Not seeing any evidence of 1st round projections on DB but everything points to late 2nd to 3rd or later making Howard less of a reach by 'expert' analysis.
 
Ok you have talked about his limited time as a LT in several posts now, just using this one to save time. Correct me if I’m wrong, and I’ll admit I may be, but the important thing about the LT is he is guarding the QBs blind side right?

If so then Howard’s time playing RT is equal to playing LT because they had a left handed QB so his blind side is RT. I’m sure there are more details involved but the important thing to me on that is he was the guy trusted with the blind side whether it was LT or RT.
Lol you can’t really be going to that can you? What difference does it make what hand the QB throws with? I’m not wasting my time on this.
 
I’m more about value in a draft and time like this than I am about filling one need with a reach (according to a majority of people who specialize in college football/NFL draft prospect. This was a draft rich in talent in rounds 2, 3 and 4. Other teams were able to move back and accumulate value.

So for me, the Texans have holes to fill in many spots, as well as depth. We talk about need; getting the most bang for your buck was important and I think the team failed in that respect. I strongly believe the Texans could have worked the phones (better?), gone back a little, picked up maybe a 4th and still gotten their guy.
 
Need moves vs value moves. Which has the higher success rate? It’s not complicated. There’s no comparison.
 
For what it's worth, Walter mocked brown at 39 and the 7th best OT. So at most a small reach after already trading down. Much different than going from 55 to 23.

Perhaps the Texans had those ots rated close so just traded down and got whoever fell.

Alternatively, they may have known Brown was lower ranked but perfect for their scheme so traded down. What's O'Briens scheme again?

Brown, Virginia Tech
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Height: 6-5. Weight: 290.
Projected 40 Time: 4.99.
Combine 40 Time: 5.08.
Pro Day 40 Time: 5.03.
Benchx225: 24.
Projected Round: 2-3.
Perfect for any zone-blocking scheme. Can also play special teams.
 
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