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2019 1.23 TYTUS HOWARD OT Alabama State

Are you happy with our first round pick?

  • Yes. It addressed our #1 need and he was the right player at that pick.

    Votes: 34 45.3%

  • No. We should have picked a different OT at 23.

    Votes: 5 6.7%

  • No. We should have traded up for Dillard.

    Votes: 22 29.3%

  • No. We should have picked BPA and waited until the 2nd for our OT.

    Votes: 14 18.7%
  • Total voters
    75
  • Poll closed .
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Interior defensive lineman on the #Texans wish list heading to the second day of the draft.


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Texans want a player to work inside of Watt, Clowney and Mercilus in pass rushing situations. Want a player that can create pressure consistently from the interior.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
patrickVerified account@PatDStat
Interior defensive lineman on the #Texans wish list heading to the second day of the draft.


patrickVerified account@PatDStat
Texans want a player to work inside of Watt, Clowney and Mercilus in pass rushing situations. Want a player that can create pressure consistently from the interior.
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Trysten Hill fits the profile and has been getting buzz about going in this range of draft and Texans brought him in for one of their 30 private player visits. I hope Texans don't go that route. He was in the doghouse with his coaching staff last season and left his school on bad terms (not thanking his coaches when declaring for draft). Does not seem like the type of person that would fit well in Texans locker room but maybe JJ would fix him?

Also think there are bigger needs to address and should be better players at our picks in the 2nd.
 
bah007 said:
I'm only responding to your comments. You're the one who keeps moving the goalposts after each one. You keep making absolute statements without any room for thought about the fact that all prospects are unique. I haven't misrepresented anything. If you mean something different than what you said then say it differently than how you've been saying it.
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Haven’t moved ****. Have tried to make you understand where I’m coming from but you obviously are incapable. How’s this for absolute statements?
bah007 said:
His "grades" were assigned by media guys that don't know anything about football. That doesn't mean NFL teams feel the same.

Zero chance he would have been there at #54.
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And stop acting like you’ve done more research than people with different opinions than yours. You haven’t watched any more tape of him than I have. He is not impressive in any way. Nor is your opinion of him.
 
Corrosion said:
Did you read that LZ quote ? …. It just rubbed me the wrong way.


Here it is in case you missed it.




He's kinda out of context , I don't think any of us think he's a bad player , just that they could have gotten better value at the pick than a guy ranked between 58-91 with the 23rd pick , especially when no corners or WR's had been taken & you have a gaping hole at one of those and minor need for the other …. and if you are afraid he's gone by 54/55 move back up and get him …. Unless of course you feel like this guy is gonna be the second coming of Bruce Matthews or Willie Roaf and you just cant take that chance , then by all means take him #23.
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If he's the franchise LT for the next 10+ years, Gaine did the right thing. The "draft value" of a particular player or draft position is purely relative to you particular opinion and not based on anything resembling a fact. Just like you can't "over pay" for a franchise QB, you can't "reach" when drafting a particular player. I'm going to see if I can find a podcast from Sirius/XM NFL channel. Bill Polian was on there today absolutely destroying the idea of "reaching" for a player and the "value" of a particular draft position. If TB12 had been drafted 1.1, would that have been a reach or a low value pick at 1.1? In 2000, the universe would've imploded. By 2003, it would've been restored to its usual self. The draft is the ultimate crapshoot. Polian talked about the turmoil in the Colts building about Manning and Leaf and shouting matches going on because some were convinced that Leaf was the answer.

There isn't a person alive, outside of a particular teams war room, that has an inkling of how the actual people responsible for drafting players actually think of a particular player. The talking heads do their best to hype this player or that player, based on their opinion of players. Talking heads do just that for a living: talk. GMs, etc. actually draft players for a living and have to deal with the consequences of poor drafts in order to stay employed. CC used to be a quality GM. His teams won SBs. His teams made some boneheaded (in hindsight) draft selections. He's now a talking head and has mixed results in mock drafts. I can't wait to see how the Raider's draft plays out. I've never liked Mayjoke...I mean Mayock
 
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I have re-evaluated from my off the cuff and slightly inebriated post from just after the pick last night - if he was their number 2 rated OT then glad they took him at 23 and didn't risk it by trading back.

He's a Texan now, and after some reading and watching some film - liking Howard more, hope he is a fast learner.
 
I’m a big one on intangibles, the things about a player that tape or stats don’t tell you like what drives a player and what they care about. I use Watson as the example because he felt he was the best QB in the draft and he was taken third so now he has a chip on his shoulder to prove that he was the best in that class.

With those in mind I do like a lot of things about Howard. Listening to him and reading what he says he knows that Texans took a chance on him because he wasn’t suppose to be a round one guy. He played at a smaller school, got moved between LT and RT because they had a left handed QB and is being told he doesn’t have the size yet for the NFL. None of this is really his fault, maybe the size thing, but it all counted against him.

To me a guy like that has better motivation to improve and play hard than someone taken 1st overall that teams were fighting to get.
 
Number19 said:
There is one other positive I haven't read being mentioned. Alabama State played Auburn last season and Howard shut down Auburn's edge rushers with an outstanding game, another indication he has the qualities to make the jump to NFL talent level.

The pick surprised me, but I did have Howard on my short list, but like others, had him slated for the second or third round. However, yesterday just before the draft, I saw a mention that Howard was a second round prospect trending up.

It appears the Texans had offers to trade up but it would have cost us a second. We also explored trading down but we wanted a third or fourth. Apparently we couldn't make the trade.

Howard seems to be slated, at this time, to compete at LT. So we still need a RT, not to mention, a C/G.
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Auburn played a lot of different guys from the start, then they was up 21-0 in the first quarter.
There were very few pass blocking snaps to make a good evaluation.
Also, the offense went with a lot of quick short passes.
 
AngryNateFTW said:
That's actually a lie. I understand the staff didn't pick your guy, but that's not true.

Kalil graded out better than Davenport during his worst season.

The staff had Henderson as a starter at RT if he hadn't got injured.

Let's be honest, Howard is probably better than Kelemete and Davenport. (Howard is still learning and growing into his role, too)
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Kalil isn't healthy and Henderson hasn't had meaningful action since 2015 (and he sucked).

Howard isn't ready, he needs time.


The OL is actually worse because Lamm would be an upgrade.
 
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disaacks3 said:
???

Sporting News - not even top 100
Daniel Jeremiah - 50
CBS Sports - 108
Drafttek - 69
The Draft Network - 186
Bucky Brooks - Not even top 5 OT
LZ - not even top 5 OT
ESPN - 55
Walter Football - #6 rated OT
Pro Football Focus -56


For all the world, it looks like we panicked after getting Dillard “sniped” and picked our OT on measurables and character.


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Where did they have Juwan Taylor?
 
JB said:
The post you quoted



alluded that the JETS fans did something note worthy last night. I was curious as to what as I didn't see anything. Did you? Are you just looking for someone to disagree with you so you can make some more snide comments?
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I meant Giants …. don't know how the hell it came out Jets.
 
Wolf12339 said:
Browns offered 2019 2nd rounder and 2020 first for our pick. We wanted their 4th rounder in 2019 too. I believe they wanted Sweat but I don't know that for a fact.
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zshawn10 said:
Freaking should have taken that
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Gaine made the right choice.

The Browns had the overall 49th pick in the 2nd round. If the Texans traded down to #49, these were the OT's that would have been taken by then.

31 Atlanta Falcons Kaleb McGary OT Washington
35 Jacksonville Jaguars Jawaan Taylor OT Florida
37 Carolina Panthers Greg Little OT Ole Miss
38 Buffalo Bills Cody Ford OT Oklahoma
41 Denver Broncos Dalton Risner OT Kansas State

Don't you think Howard would have been among the five OT's taken before #49? Even if you're thinking about trading back up, you'd need the clairvoyance to know to jump ahead of #31 and the luck to find a trading partner between 24 and 31.
 
Brisco_County said:
Gaine made the right choice.

The Browns had the overall 49th pick in the 2nd round. If the Texans traded down to #49, these were the OT's that would have been taken by then.

31 Atlanta Falcons Kaleb McGary OT Washington
35 Jacksonville Jaguars Jawaan Taylor OT Florida
37 Carolina Panthers Greg Little OT Ole Miss
38 Buffalo Bills Cody Ford OT Oklahoma
41 Denver Broncos Dalton Risner OT Kansas State

Don't you think Howard would have been among the five OT's taken before #49?
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No. Other than the hindsight that he was taken 1st by us, there's no reason to believe he would have been jumped on by any of them.
 
Mr teX said:
What makes u think he needs to be developed more than any other OL?

Because he played at a small school? Nothing I’ve seen shows that he needs that much more attention than any other prospect making the jump from college to the pros.
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I'm going by what I saw at the Sr Bowl.

And I'm not just talking about the Sweat play.
 
JB said:
Who reported that he would go high second then?
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Noone that I recall opined higher than 50 which is not high center. But so what if one did when the rest were 50-150?

And everyone was ranking him behind those 5.

This is where the comparisons to DB are inapt. He didn't jump anyone.
 
infantrycak said:
Noone that I recall opined higher than 50 which is not high center. But so what if one did when the rest were 50-150?

And everyone was ranking him behind those 5.

This is where the comparisons to DB are inapt. He didn't jump anyone.
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Media big boards are different than NFL big boards. Scouts loved him and he was getting buzz from media guys like Zierlein as well as a guy who could get into back end of first round. Just because a player is top 50 on a big board doesn't mean that's where they are slotted. How many QBs are ranked #1 overall on big boards yet go 1st pick in drafts?

Offensive tackles are valued higher than other positions. Which is why Falcons traded back into first round to get Mcgary. Panthers traded up in 2nd to get Little. Reasonable to think a team was going to trade up to get an ascending prospect like Howard.
 
Zierlein had him 2nd round, not 1-2. He compared him to Desmond Harrison who went undrafted not Duane Brown. Said he could win a starting job within the 1st 2 years. Not even a should.

His love came after he was drafted.
 
LZ grades
23 Tytus Howard 5.83 Rd 2
31 Kaleb McGary 5.88 Rds 1-2
35 Jawaan Taylor 6.25 Rd 1
37 Greg Little 5.86 Rd 2
38 Cody Ford 6.04 Rd 1
41 Dalton Risner 6.03 Rd 2

Please on mock deafts said 30-40. Sources were provided for where he would go projections by dissacks and none were that high.
 
infantrycak said:
LZ grades
23 Tytus Howard 5.83 Rd 2
31 Kaleb McGary 5.88 Rds 1-2
35 Jawaan Taylor 6.25 Rd 1
37 Greg Little 5.86 Rd 2
38 Cody Ford 6.04 Rd 1
41 Dalton Risner 6.03 Rd 2

Please on mock deafts said 30-40. Sources were provided for where he would go projections by dissacks and none were that high.
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From LZ's twitter:


https://twitter.com/LanceZierlein/status/1121617188555616256

One Path to the Draft, @BuckyBrooks had Darnell Savage as a guy sneaking into the 1st and I had Tytus Howard. This isn’t totally shocking at all.
 
edo783 said:
According to a scouting report, he played both LT and RT depending on what hand the QB was throwing the ball with. He always proved the QB backside. Did a very good job of it. He is also rated very
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This ability to switch from left to right is interesting. I imagine it is not easy to do.
Says to me if we let him settle in at his best position, he should be a lock.
 
infantrycak said:
AFTER the draft so he claims. What did his last posted mock have? And sneaking means small chance of one of the last picks, not 23 and leapfrogging 5 higher rated guys.
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Path to the draft was filmed before the draft took place when he said he could sneak into the first round.
 
infantrycak said:
AFTER the draft so he claims. What did his last posted mock have? And sneaking means small chance of one of the last picks, not 23 and leapfrogging 5 higher rated guys.
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So you didn't like the pick? Noticed you didn't vote in the poll and just want to nail you down. Do you think he'll bust or no better than the current weakest link? Stop lawyering and let your fan out
 
JB said:
So what did they do?
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You don't think Duke QB Daniel Jones was a pretty big reach @ #6 ??

This years QB crop was pretty thin … after Murray & Haskins , I really didn't think any of the others should have gone before round 3 and there are huge questions about Haskins & Murray as first round picks.

Met Life stadium was packed for their draft party as the pick was made the air went out of the building. I think they were expecting Haskins and got Jones.


It is a QB driven league …. but damn , they put this kid behind the proverbial 8 ball.
 
infantrycak said:
Zierlein had him 2nd round, not 1-2. He compared him to Desmond Harrison who went undrafted not Duane Brown. Said he could win a starting job within the 1st 2 years. Not even a should.

His love came after he was drafted.
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He's (Z) just sucking up to the franchise so they don't pull his credentials …. You almost never find a reporter say anything negative about a franchise. "He's not just gonna come out and say they made a mistake" He's gonna sugar coat it.
 
Corrosion said:
He's (Z) just sucking up to the franchise so they don't pull his credentials …. You almost never find a reporter say anything negative about a franchise. "He's not just gonna come out and say they made a mistake" He's gonna sugar coat it.
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Yeah only the guys from battle red blog will be negative and I don't think they have credentials
 
JB said:
So you didn't like the pick? Noticed you didn't vote in the poll and just want to nail you down. Do you think he'll bust or no better than the current weakest link? Stop lawyering and let your fan out
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Being better than the current weakest link …. aint asking much. Being a starter here doesn't mean much , they did give up a league leading 62 sacks last season …. We could suit up 155lb @Texan_Bill and get those results.
 
Reggie Barlow‏@reggiebarlow

I remember when his mom reached out to us, to ask to let her son be a part of our team. We allowed it, and look here. 1st round draft pick! Rumble young man rumble. Congrats! They will find you! HBCU myASU

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It’s funny that most on here take what the media says as bible. Howard passed the eye exam at the senior bowl to me. Am I saying he’s THE best OT in this class? No, but he was the best lineman overall in our entire roster, prior to drafting Scharping. I now have Scharping at #1 and Howard a close #2 in our Offensive line room.
 
I was surprised to see them take Howard at 23 and ticked the Eagles jump up to steal Dillard, but I am excited to see them draft two tackles and both have tremendous up side. Eager to see how this works out and for the first time really feel optimistic about the oline. If it is finally on the upward trend, this offense and this team could become scary good.
 
Corrosion said:
He's (Z) just sucking up to the franchise so they don't pull his credentials …. You almost never find a reporter say anything negative about a franchise. "He's not just gonna come out and say they made a mistake" He's gonna sugar coat it.
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But he's Z, he's transcended the Texans. He didn't have to say anything at all.
 
Now back to football. Interesting will be how Devlin handles these new recruits including UDFAs. O'Brien and hopefully CAL will be watching this area.
 
Corrosion said:
You don't think Duke QB Daniel Jones was a pretty big reach @ #6 ??

This years QB crop was pretty thin … after Murray & Haskins , I really didn't think any of the others should have gone before round 3 and there are huge questions about Haskins & Murray as first round picks.

Met Life stadium was packed for their draft party as the pick was made the air went out of the building. I think they were expecting Haskins and got Jones.


It is a QB driven league …. but damn , they put this kid behind the proverbial 8 ball.
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No he isn't. This is about as good a situation as a rookie QB could ask for. Manning is going to be the starter until he retires or is so bad that Jones gets the nod. I seriously doubt that Manning will play bad enough to get benched at halftime in week one. OB is the only coach I know of that panics that badly.
 
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