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steelbtexan said:
A. We dont know this report to be true.
B. That's not what has been reported
C. We will continue to believe who we want to believe, what I found funny is that it took 5 yrs for this report to come out.
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it's all speculation, but what else are we going to do besides speculate and talk about 20 year olds who are about to become millionaires?
 
Shishkabob said:
what other high 2nd round pick did we have in 2014? I get it's speculation, but if the report is true then it would suggest O'Brien wasn't as sold on Jimmy as some like to believe
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It very well could have been a later year pick. Or perhaps they had a deal in mind to trade down? We'll never know
 
JB said:
It very well could have been a later year pick. Or perhaps they had a deal in mind to trade down? We'll never know
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Idk about it being a later year pick, sure they could offer a 2015 2nd rounder, but then where is the "high" part coming from? There is no assumption of where you're picking the following year which is one reason a next years pick is thought of as a round lower in the value chart. Let's say they had another trade in place to trade from 33 to 37(can't be to far down in the report they said it was like getting another 1st rounder) Then they trade the #37 for Hoyer, they are still not getting Jimmy because they obviously valued Hoyer more than Jimmy at that spot if the report is true. I guess you could argue they could have used the extra capital to move up back into round 2 ahead of NE, but it's not like they were short on draft capital before that and they traded up in the very next round for Nix, so they weren't oppose to trading away the capital they did have.
 
There is 1 thing I find weird if this is true though. I don't doubt the OB wanted Hoyer here in 2014, he went out and got him in 2015 and one of his selling points to land the job was he believed it would be a quick turn around which is easier with a vet QB than with a rookie. Which is why the Texans probably wanted either Hoyer or Mallet, but why was a high 2nd rounder ok for Hoyer, but the 3rd NE was supposedly asking for during the draft for Mallet to high? Sure Hoyer had a decent 3 games in 2013, but was that really enough to justify the giant value gap they had between the 2?
 
The more I think and hear about this story, the more I believe it's probably a stretch of the real truth. In this story, there's three ridiculous claims:

1. Browns didn't draft Bridgewater because owner didn't like his handshake.
2. Texans offered the 33rd pick for Hoyer.
3. Browns didn't accept the trade.

I mean the Browns just drafted Manziel, why in the hell would they refuse a trade for Hoyer? These are such bad claims that it's hard for me to believe it's true.

I heard Lombardi's interview where he addressed this story, and he said how there's so many stories like this one that leak and tend to be far from the truth. It's normal occurrence for people to spin things in their favor.
 
dream_team said:
The more I think and hear about this story, the more I believe it's probably a stretch of the real truth. In this story, there's three ridiculous claims:

1. Browns didn't draft Bridgewater because owner didn't like his handshake.
2. Texans offered the 33rd pick for Hoyer.
3. Browns didn't accept the trade.

I mean the Browns just drafted Manziel, why in the hell would they refuse a trade for Hoyer? These are such bad claims that it's hard for me to believe it's true.

I heard Lombardi's interview where he addressed this story, and he said how there's so many stories like this one that leak and tend to be far from the truth. It's normal occurrence for people to spin things in their favor.
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Yaeh - no one, not even the Browns can be that dumb.
Add to that fact that that draft was known to be one of the deepest in many years makes that 33rd pick much more valuable.
Brian Hoyer was also no prize.
 
Shishkabob said:
Wes Welker has interviewed with the 49ers and Packers recently
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Texans offensive assistant/ex-Patriots receiver Wes Welker is on the circuit—he interviewed for a job with Green Bay last week and San Francisco on Monday. The Niners are restructuring a bit after the departure of passing-game coordinator Rich Scangarello to Denver.
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Of interest, last year, the Broncos requested an interview with Welker for WR coach.........the Texans denied the request.
 
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QB coach Sean Ryan off to Detroit to be QB coach. Lateral move?

Looks like OB gets to be HC/OC/QB coach now. When Welker leaves, oh man!!!
 
Speedy said:
QB coach Sean Ryan off to Detroit to be QB coach. Lateral move?

Looks like OB gets to be HC/OC/QB coach now. When Welker leaves, oh man!!!
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Speedy said:
QB coach Sean Ryan off to Detroit to be QB coach. Lateral move?

Looks like OB gets to be HC/OC/QB coach now. When Welker leaves, oh man!!!
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My expectation is for a pretty underwhelming add to the coaching staff, which we as a collection of posters "break our fingers" to criticize.
 
How QB coach Sean Ryan's departure affects Texans' Deshaun Watson
Aaron Wilson , Houston Chronicle Jan. 30, 2019 Updated: Jan. 30, 2019 5:03 p.m.

Sean Ryan had built a strong relationship with Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson since the latter's arrival from Clemson two years ago.

Ryan and Watson communicated clearly and got along well, collaborating adeptly as the former college national champion emerged as a Pro Bowl addition during an AFC South division championship season in 2018.

Now, Ryan is gone having taken a lateral move to coach Detroit Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford.


That made sense for Ryan considering he didn't have a play-calling background and wasn't in line for an offensive coordinator promotion and didn't land one when interviewing with the Minnesota Vikings and Cleveland Browns a year ago.

What it all means for Watson depends on how the Texans handle replacing Ryan.

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CloakNNNdagger said:
How QB coach Sean Ryan's departure affects Texans' Deshaun Watson
Aaron Wilson , Houston Chronicle Jan. 30, 2019 Updated: Jan. 30, 2019 5:03 p.m.

Sean Ryan had built a strong relationship with Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson since the latter's arrival from Clemson two years ago.

Ryan and Watson communicated clearly and got along well, collaborating adeptly as the former college national champion emerged as a Pro Bowl addition during an AFC South division championship season in 2018.

Now, Ryan is gone having taken a lateral move to coach Detroit Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford.


That made sense for Ryan considering he didn't have a play-calling background and wasn't in line for an offensive coordinator promotion and didn't land one when interviewing with the Minnesota Vikings and Cleveland Browns a year ago.

What it all means for Watson depends on how the Texans handle replacing Ryan.

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I need to find the tweet, but some Detroit area reporter I think tweeted out something saying Sean Ryan is really good at coaching a position, things like fundamentals and the little intricacies but those that have worked with him don't see him as a tactical, game plan type of mind
 
infantrycak said:
And his playing career and most of his coaching was on defense. But he's an old OB friend.
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It's not like he is the first coach to coach the opposite side of the ball he played, I mean you don't have to look far for an example O'Brien played defense in college and now coaches offense. There are numerous examples of this in the league as well as coaches who started out coaching on 1 side of the ball before moving to the other. It's not uncommon when someone is starting out in the coaching field. Also you guys on here constantly make fun of how inaccurate McClain's predictions are and how dumb he is etc. but now want to act like what he says his opinion is is gospel just so you can have a reason to be angry and complain.
 
Shishkabob said:
It's not like he is the first coach to coach the opposite side of the ball he played, I mean you don't have to look far for an example O'Brien played defense in college and now coaches offense.
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And he's doing a bang up job too.

Also you guys on here constantly make fun of how inaccurate McClain's predictions are and how dumb he is etc. but now want to act like what he says his opinion is is gospel just so you can have a reason to be angry and complain.
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You must have meant this for someone else.
 
infantrycak said:
And he's doing a bang up job too.



You must have meant this for someone else.
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Done well enough to to make it to the level of NFL HC, something less than what 1% of all coaches can say..

I meant that in general, because everyone is running with Kelly being our next OC without any actual evidence besides the 610 guys think its going to happen because McClain said so.... McClain also had to eat newspaper because he just knew the Texans would take a QB in round 1 in '14 right? McClain hasn't had good insight into the Texans for years now, so the fact that people want to take his opinion as gospel is crazy to me
 
snippet from Greg Cossel's interview today on 610, I'd wager this guy has watched more film than this whole board combined and has probably forgotten more about the game than many of us will ever learn

On offensive design/playcalling
We aren’t there when they’re putting together their game plan. So what are people reacting to? People react to results of the game. I don’t know how people felt in Houston when they won nine in a row. It’s hard to win nine in a row in the NFL, it’s really hard to do that. They did that, and you could argue they did that with an offensive roster that had significant holes. Okay so, was Bill O’Brien cheered on at that point? I’m not in Houston, but my guess is he wasn’t just as a national guy looking at the league. I don’t think Bill O’Brien was probably cheered on as wow look what he’s doing with less than great talent. He should be cheered for that. I mean this is not an offense that is a multi-dimensional complete offense. There’s too many missing pieces. And yet they won 9 in a row with a young quarterback that’s still learning – a lot of talent, a lot of smarts but still learning – and with a great receiver. but not much else… with a solid running back… and an O-line that some might say could have been the worst in the league.

So I guess I’m missing the idea that somehow Bill O’Brien is doing a poor job.

I love Deshaun. I know Deshaun. I think he’s a phenomenal kid. He’s a good player with a chance to be a really good player. Whether he gets there this year or sometime after, no one knows that. But after his rookie year the media presented him as the chosen one. There was a national perception that this guy is now a top-five, great great quarterback. So I think when the offense didn’t quite function like that all of the time, there was some sense that it must be the coaching. Because Deshaun Watson, he’s Michael Jordan. He’s the chosen one. And I think that was so unrealistic and unfair to Deshaun… who is a hard worker, everything about Deshaun is positive. But it was unrealistic to expect him to be that, as a second-year quarterback with the talent that was surrounding him.
 
Shishkabob said:
It's not like he is the first coach to coach the opposite side of the ball he played, I mean you don't have to look far for an example O'Brien played defense in college and now coaches offense. There are numerous examples of this in the league as well as coaches who started out coaching on 1 side of the ball before moving to the other. It's not uncommon when someone is starting out in the coaching field. Also you guys on here constantly make fun of how inaccurate McClain's predictions are and how dumb he is etc. but now want to act like what he says his opinion is is gospel just so you can have a reason to be angry and complain.
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You're not going to win this battle, the hate is too strong around these parts. Before the season I asked these same posters what they would consider a successsful season and 11-5, 12-4 seemed to be good enough for the mob. They finished 11-5 and that still wasn't good enough for the mob.

Reasonable people who looked at the talent on the team and with Watson coming off of an ACL thought 9-7, 10-6 was reasonable. At 11-5 I thought the Texans overachieved there talent level.



Take comfort that good times are ahead.
 
Shishkabob said:
snippet from Greg Cossel's interview today on 610, I'd wager this guy has watched more film than this whole board combined and has probably forgotten more about the game than many of us will ever learn

On offensive design/playcalling
We aren’t there when they’re putting together their game plan. So what are people reacting to? People react to results of the game. I don’t know how people felt in Houston when they won nine in a row. It’s hard to win nine in a row in the NFL, it’s really hard to do that. They did that, and you could argue they did that with an offensive roster that had significant holes. Okay so, was Bill O’Brien cheered on at that point? I’m not in Houston, but my guess is he wasn’t just as a national guy looking at the league. I don’t think Bill O’Brien was probably cheered on as wow look what he’s doing with less than great talent. He should be cheered for that. I mean this is not an offense that is a multi-dimensional complete offense. There’s too many missing pieces. And yet they won 9 in a row with a young quarterback that’s still learning – a lot of talent, a lot of smarts but still learning – and with a great receiver. but not much else… with a solid running back… and an O-line that some might say could have been the worst in the league.

So I guess I’m missing the idea that somehow Bill O’Brien is doing a poor job.

I love Deshaun. I know Deshaun. I think he’s a phenomenal kid. He’s a good player with a chance to be a really good player. Whether he gets there this year or sometime after, no one knows that. But after his rookie year the media presented him as the chosen one. There was a national perception that this guy is now a top-five, great great quarterback. So I think when the offense didn’t quite function like that all of the time, there was some sense that it must be the coaching. Because Deshaun Watson, he’s Michael Jordan. He’s the chosen one. And I think that was so unrealistic and unfair to Deshaun… who is a hard worker, everything about Deshaun is positive. But it was unrealistic to expect him to be that, as a second-year quarterback with the talent that was surrounding him.
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Thanks for posting this.

I've been going back and forth with the mob trying to say exactly this since last season began. The injury to Fuller only made things worse.
 
steelbtexan said:
Thanks for posting this.

I've been going back and forth with the mob trying to say exactly this since last season began. The injury to Fuller only made things worse.
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I mean with just the 3 Watson, Hopkins, and Fuller our offense averages 31 points a game which is on par with the other top offenses, despite having a far worse line and fewer weapons than say the Rams and Chiefs
 
Shishkabob said:
snippet from Greg Cossel's interview today on 610, I'd wager this guy has watched more film than this whole board combined and has probably forgotten more about the game than many of us will ever learn

On offensive design/playcalling
We aren’t there when they’re putting together their game plan. So what are people reacting to? People react to results of the game. I don’t know how people felt in Houston when they won nine in a row. It’s hard to win nine in a row in the NFL, it’s really hard to do that. They did that, and you could argue they did that with an offensive roster that had significant holes. Okay so, was Bill O’Brien cheered on at that point? I’m not in Houston, but my guess is he wasn’t just as a national guy looking at the league. I don’t think Bill O’Brien was probably cheered on as wow look what he’s doing with less than great talent. He should be cheered for that. I mean this is not an offense that is a multi-dimensional complete offense. There’s too many missing pieces. And yet they won 9 in a row with a young quarterback that’s still learning – a lot of talent, a lot of smarts but still learning – and with a great receiver. but not much else… with a solid running back… and an O-line that some might say could have been the worst in the league.

So I guess I’m missing the idea that somehow Bill O’Brien is doing a poor job.

I love Deshaun. I know Deshaun. I think he’s a phenomenal kid. He’s a good player with a chance to be a really good player. Whether he gets there this year or sometime after, no one knows that. But after his rookie year the media presented him as the chosen one. There was a national perception that this guy is now a top-five, great great quarterback. So I think when the offense didn’t quite function like that all of the time, there was some sense that it must be the coaching. Because Deshaun Watson, he’s Michael Jordan. He’s the chosen one. And I think that was so unrealistic and unfair to Deshaun… who is a hard worker, everything about Deshaun is positive. But it was unrealistic to expect him to be that, as a second-year quarterback with the talent that was surrounding him.
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:bravo::goodpost:
 
steelbtexan said:
You're not going to win this battle, the hate is too strong around these parts. Before the season I asked these same posters what they would consider a successsful season and 11-5, 12-4 seemed to be good enough for the mob. They finished 11-5 and that still wasn't good enough for the mob.

Reasonable people who looked at the talent on the team and with Watson coming off of an ACL thought 9-7, 10-6 was reasonable. At 11-5 I thought the Texans overachieved there talent level.


Take comfort that good times are ahead.
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Yeah, but all 11-5s aren't the same and this one was more like a 5-11. :kitten:
 
Texans Kareem Jackson Looking Forward to See Where He Ends Up Playing in 2019
byPatrick D. Starr56 mins

Houston Texans Kareem Jackson looking forward to the free agency process and where he will end up playing.

With the NFL free agency window slowly closing in, Houston Texans defensive back Kareem Jackson will be a well know name around league circles. With the Texans working on a plan to keep him in a Texans uniform long-term, there will be teams around the NFL preparing to pry him away from his home in Houston.

Making the rounds at Radio Row in Atlanta, Jackson was on the Simms and Lefkoe Podcast discussing his upcoming situation heading into 2019. The longest tenured Texans player in the locker room, Jackson is set to his free agency as an unrestricted free agent. This will be the second opportunity for Jackson to test the free agent market, in 2015, Jackson landed a 4-year deal worth $34 million to stay with the Texans despite a strong push and offer from the New Orleans Saints.

“I actually didn’t get to free agency, but this will be the second time around,” Jackson explained of free agency. “I kinda know how it goes.”

The Texans moved Jackson to safety to start the season but due to injuries, they had to move him back to cornerback to help the depleted position group. For free agency, Jackson is open to any of the positions he played for the Texans, but feels that safety is his best bet moving forward entering his 10th season in the NFL.

“It depends on whatever team decides to bring me in," Jackson said of potential fits in free agency. "I am opened to anything, for me, I will play will safety, I will be play corner, I will play the slot, whatever it is. I think at this point in my career, I will be 31 once the season starts, so I think playing safety will be ideal.”

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Shishkabob said:
I mean with just the 3 Watson, Hopkins, and Fuller our offense averages 31 points a game which is on par with the other top offenses, despite having a far worse line and fewer weapons than say the Rams and Chiefs
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Will Fuller played in 7 games this year. In those 7 games the Texans averaged 25.285 points per game. In the 9 games they played without Fuller they averaged 25 points even.
 
cuppacoffee said:
I don't have any names but I wish he would scour the college ranks for an OC.

Give him a year as an assistant (or not) to get the feel of the NFL .

This NFL habit of regurgitating coaches is ridiculous.

:coffee:
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I figured with as much time he spent coaching at the college level he'd have a big network of guys he's coached with that have gone on to OC positions at the college level, or even HC who were ready to step up to the NFL.


I mean other than Godsey.
 
infantrycak said:
And his playing career and most of his coaching was on defense. But he's an old OB friend.
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Shishkabob said:
It's not like he is the first coach to coach the opposite side of the ball he played, I mean you don't have to look far for an example O'Brien played defense in college and now coaches offense.
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Has OB ever coached defense? I thought he's only ever coached offense. Twenty some years before New England at the college level.


Or did you just read the first part of Infantrycak's post?
 
thunderkyss said:
Has OB ever coached defense? I thought he's only ever coached offense. Twenty some years before New England at the college level.


Or did you just read the first part of Infantrycak's post?
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he coached linebackers for a year or 2 in the beginning of his career at the college level
 
Shishkabob said:
But after his rookie year the media presented him as the chosen one. There was a national perception that this guy is now a top-five, great great quarterback. So I think when the offense didn’t quite function like that all of the time, there was some sense that it must be the coaching. Because Deshaun Watson, he’s Michael Jordan. He’s the chosen one. And I think that was so unrealistic and unfair to Deshaun… who is a hard worker, everything about Deshaun is positive. But it was unrealistic to expect him to be that, as a second-year quarterback with the talent that was surrounding him.
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I can't speak for everyone, but that's not where my frustration comes from. We saw the beginnings of an offense designed for Watson should look like last season & in a few spots of a few games this year. Like the end of the Jags game. We were here talking about how it didn't make sense to "open it up" at that juncture of the season unless we were going to build on it going into the the playoffs.

But nope. We got stand in the pocket, make the right reads or else playbook.
 
thunderkyss said:
I can't speak for everyone, but that's not where my frustration comes from. We saw the beginnings of an offense designed for Watson should look like last season & in a few spots of a few games this year. Like the end of the Jags game. We were here talking about how it didn't make sense to "open it up" at that juncture of the season unless we were going to build on it going into the the playoffs.

But nope. We got stand in the pocket, make the right reads or else playbook.
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Thunder exactly. The biggest issue I see with Obrien, is his freaking pride. I understand he wants to set his own offensive legacy. But that stink is not working (5 years in). When he imo started running things that actually fits his QB. The offense flowed and moved with ease.

Personally I thought he was holding back and was going to go all out in the playoffs. But what did we see, yes another one of O'brien's team start the game off lethargic and disinterested.
 
I can't remember but I'm trying to remember if there was this much support for O'Brien after he went 4-12? This 11-5 season was an aberration as to how the team really looked. Domination on either side of the ball only came in spurts all season long.

Worse yet, how much more film would we need to watch, to guess less than 80% of OB's play-calling during games? Sometimes, on this very board during game discussions, many sounded like Romo was participating on this board. If we can be that accurate, how do most feel a DC would be?

OB must focus on being the HC this season and release the other 2 hats to a tried and true OC and QB Coach. He "must" stick to wearing the HC hat and let the new OC run the game just like RC does. Things could get better in a hurry.
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
I can't remember but I'm trying to remember if there was this much support for O'Brien after he went 4-12? This 11-5 season was an aberration as to how the team really looked. Domination on either side of the ball only came in spurts all season long. Worse yet, how much more film would we need to watch to guess less than 80% of OB's play-calling during games? Sometimes, on this very board during game discussions, many sounded like Romo was participating on this board. If we can be that accurate, how do most feel a DC would be?

OB must be the HC this season and release the other 2 hats to a tried and true OC and QB Coach. He "must" stick to wearing the HC hat and let the new OC run the game just like RC does. Things could get better in a hurry.
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Agree.
Most of the angst many feel now is how easily we went down in the WC game and the fact it gets harder with our schedule next season but kicking OB to the kerb now won't change that nor does it guarantee a good outcome next season.
I too am concerned with our schedule next season, but, if our receiving corp can retain just one more weapon on offense than last season and our QB and oline play improves (along with the defense) then we will be competitive.
What we do have to accomplish is to win both games against Jags or Titans, one off the other and find a way to take a game off the Colts and we should be in the mix for the division.
It will be very difficult to get a WC with our schedule but I feel we can still be competitive with Watson having the benefit of a full season under his belt.
I look forward to seeing what improvements FO makes over the offseason.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I can't remember but I'm trying to remember if there was this much support for O'Brien after he went 4-12? This 11-5 season was an aberration as to how the team really looked. Domination on either side of the ball only came in spurts all season long.

Worse yet, how much more film would we need to watch, to guess less than 80% of OB's play-calling during games? Sometimes, on this very board during game discussions, many sounded like Romo was participating on this board. If we can be that accurate, how do most feel a DC would be?

OB must be the HC this season and release the other 2 hats to a tried and true OC and QB Coach. He "must" stick to wearing the HC hat and let the new OC run the game just like RC does. Things could get better in a hurry.
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Must? Or what?, ya gonna fire him yourself?
 
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