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McNair has been known to put Ricky (the Asst GM) on the bench when he gets a little to big for his britches.
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All encompassing Rick Smith thread
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McNair has been known to put Ricky (the Asst GM) on the bench when he gets a little to big for his britches.
How about this. You put out a list of all the Texans players involved in a contract dispute with the Texans since Rick Smith got here...and let's see how many "got their way" on early extensions. I'll wait.
I remember when he signed, I thought his deal was extremely team friendly.
Just seems like something they would do.
Texian
Hall of Fame
It doesn't matter when Ricky got here, Bob McNair OKs the contracts and signs the checks. And when it comes to negotiating contracts that chore belongs to Chris Olsen. So if you want to wait, then by all means, be my guest, Wait On! Wait until your little heart is content. Oh and my statement still stands, McNair has been known to Ricky on the bench when he gets a little to BIG for his britches. It has happened!
Provide some examples please. Not sure what you're saying so no way to look it up
Texian
Hall of Fame
In 2014 Andre Johnson was a holdout missing OTAs, Mandatory Mini Camp and threatening to miss training camp. Rick Smith was out front (playing bad cop) saying Andre Johnson was under contract, there was nothing to discuss and would be fined for all time missed. Just as things were about to turn ugly Smith disappeared from the scene and Bob McNair was the only available voice, saying he wanted Johnson to finish his career as a Texan.
John McClain ✔ @McClain_on_NFL
Sources say Bob McNair played a key role in getting Andre Johnson to end his holdout and report to Texans today.
7:53 AM - 25 Jul 2014
sandman
Brexit Advisor
So you want the Texans offense to suffer on the field and potentially lose games in an increasingly competitive division, just so you can see some comeuppance on Rick Smith?
True colors my friend. True colors...
Potentially
I want to see Brown get overpaid because Ricky didn't address the OL in FA or really the draft. This is one way his incompetence should bear fruit. Since the Texans aren't SB contenders again this yr I hope the whole lot of them get fired after this season. If the Browns get high picks with both the Texans 1st and 2nd rd picks maybe that will affect change. Because there's over a decades worth of proof that this org needs to change the way it aquires players.
Potentially
I want to see Brown get overpaid because Ricky didn't address the OL in FA or really the draft. This is one way his incompetence should bear fruit. Since the Texans aren't SB contenders again this yr I hope the whole lot of them get fired after this season. If the Browns get high picks with both the Texans 1st and 2nd rd picks maybe that will affect change. Because there's over a decades worth of proof that this org needs to change the way it aquires players.
You must be perfectly fine with the status quo and that my friend is showing your true colors. Mediocrity and excuse making must be the order of the day in your world for the last 11 yrs.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
This has nothing at all to do with what I'm fine or not fine with. You just admitted that you want the Texans to fail in the hopes that Rick Smith gets fired.
I don't agree with your statement, but I respect the right to your opinion. I'm just glad you finally admitted it.
I don't want them to fail.
I'm just saying it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if they do.
I'm glad that you are happy and willing to accept the status quo.
FuzzyLogic
Mathematically Possible
Again with this "willing to accept the status quo" crap.... you haven't been willing to accept the status quo, where are your results? What change has your displeasure/anger/contempt brought about? Other than about 15,000 of 19,381 post bitching about "Ricky" not a dang thing.
Status quo is what's been happening over the last 11 yrs and will continue to happen without change in the way the Texans aquire players. You're right, me talking about the need for change since 2010 hasn't/isn't going to change a thing. (I thought this was a MB where we shared ideas/thoughts but it must not be if you don't like my ideas) The only thing that will affect change is bottoming out/ (Maybe) death/ selling the team. (Which we know isn't going to happen.)
So out of the 3 options I listed above, bottoming out is the (In McNair speak) less traumatic.
Status quo is what we've gotten over the last decade. Your happy with it I'm not. You're happy McNair brought football back to Houston and I would rather not have a team than have one that is run like the Texans org is being run. BTW, I thought this was a MB where even if people agree/disagree we could exchange thoughts/ideas. Apparently you only want people who like the way the org is being run or agree with you to exchange thoughts/ideas on the Texans org. Given the Texans orgs track record over the last 11 years I can see where you're coming from and why you have the attitude towards my posts that you do.
So here we are, not going to win again this yr and how do we affect change to where we might have a winning team in Houston? 1. Bottom out 2. Death 3. Selling the team.
In McNair's word speak I think bottoming out is the least traumatic thing that would affect change.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
I honestly don't think you want the Texans to fail, just for the sake of the Texans failing. I do think that you want the Texans to fail in order to get rid of Rick Smith.
The false premise that you chose to believe is that because I don't make multiple posts daily about how Rick Smith sucks, I must therefore be perfectly happy with any and every decision/action he has taken as GM. You have reduced the argument to either being completely for your point of view or completely against it, which makes it difficult to have a constructive conversation.
Still waiting on those early extensions examples.
No he didn't...which was the point I was making.
I'm sure as hell not a fan of Rick Smith, but he's pretty consistent as far as contract stuff goes.
I wouldn't bet on Duane getting a new contract until the season is either well underway or over.
I'm hoping the Texans at least do what they did last year... a top 10 rushing game, top 11 in sacks allowed. A little better would be nice & possible since we'll be adding Martin to the line, Allen's play may have been due to injury, & XSF should continue to improve. Not to mention they should get better just from playing together so much.
Then maybe people will stop making **** up.
I deal in absolutes in my business.
The job is either right or it's wrong.
Maybe that makes my views on Ricky McNair skewed. But the results after a decade with Ricky McNair aren't there and most likely wont be there as long as he's GM. I look at every yr he's there as a wasted yr. I get that many don't see things the way I do because they cant relate to my life experiences.
FuzzyLogic
Mathematically Possible
I'm fine with discussing your ideas - except for maybe two, three.. ish?. I actually agree with you on quite a few things and have "liked" a number of your post.
What I don't agree with is the constant harping on some of the posters that we are somehow enabling the Texans to suck because we accept the status quo... I don't accept the status quo, we haven't won a Super Bowl and that is what I want. What I do accept is that I can't change how the org is run, and it seems neither can you. These things are outside my circle of influence.
Unlike you I am glad Houston has a NFL team - even if it was the Browns, I would be happy to have a team. 1) it's insulting to be the fourth largest city and not have an NFL team when frickin Nashville has one. 2) It is good for the economy, they might not be making millionaires out of common folk on Sunday but a lot of revenue is generated for people and the city at every home game, not to mention the money a Super Bowl brings (although some argument can be made there for it costing the city, I don't agree).
I think McNair WANTS to win it all, it isn't just about money for him - but he doesn't know how. I'm not an expert though and have no clue how long this process should take. A lot of teams have been waiting a hell of a sight longer that we have.
Anyway TLDR.... bottom line I'm not a fan of McNair, or Rick Smith, or Bill O'brien, I'm a fan of the Texans, want them to be in Houston and want them to be successful.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Meh, you big cynic. You have as much faith as anyone. You just beotch and whine more. It's cute.
Because I'm better at beothing than whining.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Well practised and good are not the same thing.
Volume is the cult of 9mm lovers. Should have hit him the 1st 7 times. One in the pipe, 8.
We will have to agree to disagree then.
BTW, there have been studies done that say having a football team in your town after public funding actually cost the city $$$$. Agree or disagree it is what it is. Regardless having a football team is what's most important to you.
As far as McNair wanting to win, if that was priority #1 his org would operate differently starting with after a 11 yrs of mediocrity firing Ricky McNair and just acquiring the best players possible and putting them on the field. Instead McNair is more concerned with things like leading the leagues finance committee. That should speak volumes to you.
I said better, not good.
Although I'm sure some would disagree with this statement.
FuzzyLogic
Mathematically Possible
Yeah we will - because you have some serious blinders on for anyone that doesn't shout "I hate Ricky".
To the untrained eye they look exactly alike
I remember meeting you at Bubba's up in the Heights back when a bunch of us would get together and watch away games together. Met Cak, CNNND, Dutchrudder, and DreadHead too (probably half dozen more that I can't recall now). You were grumpy the whole game. And we won. LOL
Hey man Rickys team finished in the top 25% of the league last year so if you do better than 75 % of the competition how is that not a successful season ?
Texian
Hall of Fame
No revisionist history, McNair did in fact trot out Rick to be the bad the cop. When the plan backfired and received negative press and publicity the bad cop was recalled, McNair stepped in to handle the situation personally and the issue was resolved.
A single situation that had ZERO to do with a contract extension. Try again.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Guess that depends on your definition of successful. When you play in the weakest division in the league with the best defense in football and can only finish 1 game over .500 for the last 3 years many would consider that to be kind of average and ordinary, mediocre at best.
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Texian
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Nope I think we are done here, my comments have been exactly right, no sense repeating them a fourth time.
Nope, you didn't address my question. You've avoided doing so repeatedly.
I wonder why that is.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Did McNair step in and resolve the issue or not?
On a contract extension. No. He never did.
Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit is it?
My definition of success in the NFL is how far a team goes in the POs - The Patriots were the most successful because they went all the way without a loss while the Texans advanced farther in POs than atlesat 75% of the league and re the divisions relative strength: the AFC was not the weakest division in the league, not even the weakest in its conference. The Texans had a good year, but obviously not as good as the Patriots, but the Browns had a really bad year, it's all relative.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
And I can respect that your life experiences give you a particular perspective on the matter. That being said, you don't get to define my position based on your perspective. I'm quite comfortable defining my own position, and it is certainly not a Rick Smith apologist.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Also, every time I see this thread with new posts in it, I click it, hopeful that Rick Smith has been fired. Please stop tormenting me!
I'll just quote myself from 3.5 years ago.
PapaL
Loose Screw
You'll know one of two ways if/when he's been fired:
SteelB will tell you or SteelB is no longer posting
Texian
Hall of Fame
What part of MCNAIR RESOLVED THE ISSUE are you having a problem with? do you not understand?
Are you incapable of "manning up" and admitting that you decided to answer a different question than the one I asked?
Second off - "resolved"? Tell me, did Andre Johnson get to earn back that roster bonus $$? What team did his actual playing career finish with? If you think getting Andre into camp period "resolved" that issue, you're sorely mistaken. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...e-texans-playing-hardball-with-andre-johnson/
Let me know when you're ready to put on your big boy pants, OK?
CloakNNNdagger
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It's been great for me just as for anyone else getting to watch our Texans in the playoffs the last couple of years. But it's somewhat sobering to read and take in an article such as the one below Which came out just prior to meeting the Raiders in the playoffs), having us see how very lucky we were to even get there.
Here’s Why The Texans Are One Of The Worst Playoff Teams In NFL History
Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 1:02PM
Every year, at least one team’s appearance in the NFL playoffs makes us scratch our heads. (Remember when the 7-9 Seattle Seahawks made it in 2010?) But this year’s “head-scratcher” might take the cake. The Houston Texans are hosting an AFC Wild Card Game on Saturday against the Oakland Raiders, as their 9-7 record was enough to win the putrid AFC South. Thanks to the Detroit Lions, the Texans aren’t the only 9-7 team still playing. But a closer look at Houston’s 2016 campaign reveals it just might be one of the worst NFL playoff teams ever.
First things first: Teams with worse records have made the postseason. Six 8-8 clubs have qualified for the playoffs, while two squads with losing records — the Seahawks in 2010 and the 7-8-1 Carolina Panthers in 2014 — earned playoff bids. The Texans, however, “distinguished” themselves this season with a -49 point differential. Only six playoff teams in NFL history have managed a worse point differential, the most recent being the 8-8 Denver Broncos in 2011. Houston, mind you, played in the worst division in football this season, and six of their nine wins came against teams with records of .500 or worse. The Texans do have one thing going for them: Their defense allowed the fewest yards per game (301.3) and the 11th-fewest points per game (20.5) this season. But their offense is historically bad. Houston scored just 25 touchdowns this year, the fewest by any playoff team in a 16-game season. (For context: Tom Brady threw 28 touchdown passes despite missing a quarter of the season.)
The Texans might not be the worst playoff team ever — 2010 Seahawks had a whopping -97 point differential — but they’re certainly on the short list. Still, there’s hope for Brock Osweiler and Co., as the Raiders are down to their third-string quarterback in rookie Connor Cook after both Derek Carr and Matt McGloin suffered injuries.
Here’s Why The Texans Are One Of The Worst Playoff Teams In NFL History
Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 1:02PM
Every year, at least one team’s appearance in the NFL playoffs makes us scratch our heads. (Remember when the 7-9 Seattle Seahawks made it in 2010?) But this year’s “head-scratcher” might take the cake. The Houston Texans are hosting an AFC Wild Card Game on Saturday against the Oakland Raiders, as their 9-7 record was enough to win the putrid AFC South. Thanks to the Detroit Lions, the Texans aren’t the only 9-7 team still playing. But a closer look at Houston’s 2016 campaign reveals it just might be one of the worst NFL playoff teams ever.
First things first: Teams with worse records have made the postseason. Six 8-8 clubs have qualified for the playoffs, while two squads with losing records — the Seahawks in 2010 and the 7-8-1 Carolina Panthers in 2014 — earned playoff bids. The Texans, however, “distinguished” themselves this season with a -49 point differential. Only six playoff teams in NFL history have managed a worse point differential, the most recent being the 8-8 Denver Broncos in 2011. Houston, mind you, played in the worst division in football this season, and six of their nine wins came against teams with records of .500 or worse. The Texans do have one thing going for them: Their defense allowed the fewest yards per game (301.3) and the 11th-fewest points per game (20.5) this season. But their offense is historically bad. Houston scored just 25 touchdowns this year, the fewest by any playoff team in a 16-game season. (For context: Tom Brady threw 28 touchdown passes despite missing a quarter of the season.)
The Texans might not be the worst playoff team ever — 2010 Seahawks had a whopping -97 point differential — but they’re certainly on the short list. Still, there’s hope for Brock Osweiler and Co., as the Raiders are down to their third-string quarterback in rookie Connor Cook after both Derek Carr and Matt McGloin suffered injuries.
Texansballer74
The Marine
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
The undefeated Dolphins beat two teams with winning records during the regular season, and both those teams finished 8-6. Their regular season opponents had a winning percentage of something like .36. But they still went to Pittsburgh and beat the Steelers in the playoffs.
The Broncos finished 8-8 and won their division with Tebow at the helm, and they still upset the Steelers in OT. The Giants finished 8-8 and won a SB.
Those pitiful 7-9 Seahawks might have limped into the playoffs but they beat the favored 11-5 Saints to advance. And you can talk about the 7-8-1 Panthers, but they beat the 11-5 Cardinals.
If we had played our starters, we could have beaten the Titans and we would have been 10-6. Would that have mattered? No.
Did our offense suck? Yes.
But if you can't enjoy fighting your way to the playoffs and winning a game, I think you've got some skewed priorities.
AFC Champions, two years in a row Brian.
I'm pretty sure it was a contract extension that was at question. He told 'dre to stick a pipe in it & that was that. No extension.
That's BS. We should have beat the Raiders in Mexico City. No guarantee we'd have lost if Derek Carr would have played.