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All encompassing Rick Smith thread

CloakNNNdagger said:
Earlier on Radio 790, Sean Jones who formerly played with the Raiders, Oilers and Packers had this to say about the Jimmy Raye hiring and Rick Smith.
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Sean Jones has a known bias against the Texans so take anything he says with a grain of salt
 
JB said:
Sean Jones has a known bias against the Texans so take anything he says with a grain of salt
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Yea, I think some time ago Smith interviewed for a job with the Texans and failed to land the position consequently he's still sore about being spurned by the organization.
 
IDEXAN said:
Yea, I think some time ago Smith interviewed for a job with the Texans and failed to land the position consequently he's still sore about being spurned by the organization.
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I'm not aware of this scenario. But I will say that Jones regularly appeared as a guest analyst on the Jim Rome Show.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Did you mean Jones?
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Sorry, yes I meant Sean Jones and not Smith, thank you. Anyway I listen to Jones and Adam Clanton on 790 a couple times a week and I'm almost sure Jones talked about
interviewing with the Texans for a job some time ago. He also talks often about working for Al Davis in the Raiders front office back in the day after his playing days.
Anyway Jones has been very critical of the Texans but has relinquished somewhat that harsh criticism since the Draft as he seems to approve of the Watson pick.
 
dream_team said:
...he should have quit. He'll get another HC gig. What does it say about our coach if others are forcing him to play a QB he doesn't like, and he sticks around and takes it?
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I hate responding to nonsense but no one else did and I also dislike not correcting misleading statements. I admittedly do not have a degree in contract law, but I believe I'm correct in stating that contracts cannot be walked away from, or broken, without ramifications. O'Brian is under contract to the Texans, and unless there are clauses addressing the issue, he cannot just "quit"; and if he did, he would not "get another HC gig" until the dispute is settled in court or privately. I'm not even certain he could quit and retire, if the Texans wanted to pursue the matter.

Of course I can guess your likely response is that O'Brian should have quit and paid whatever penalty. But that's easy to say if it's not your reputation or life on the hook.
 
Number19 said:
I hate responding to nonsense but no one else did and I also dislike not correcting misleading statements. I admittedly do not have a degree in contract law, but I believe I'm correct in stating that contracts cannot be walked away from, or broken, without ramifications. O'Brian is under contract to the Texans, and unless there are clauses addressing the issue, he cannot just "quit"; and if he did, he would not "get another HC gig" until the dispute is settled in court or privately. I'm not even certain he could quit and retire, if the Texans wanted to pursue the matter.

Of course I can guess your likely response is that O'Brian should have quit and paid whatever penalty. But that's easy to say if it's not your reputation or life on the hook.
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That's a fair argument. I admit, I don't know the details of contract law as well. I'm sure there are ramifications if he breaks his contract and leaves the Texans. But, coaches are allowed to quit and break their contract. We've seen it done alot.

If he's worried about his reputation for breaking his contract, shouldn't he also be worried about his reputation of an offense/QB genius if crappy QB's are continually "forced on him"? According to alot of the rumor being spread around here on TT, he wanted Jimmy G but Rick didn't get him. He didn't want Brock, but he was forced to play him. And now, he didn't want Deshaun, but the FO drafted him anyways. If my reputation in the league is known as a QB/offense guru, but the FO is forcing me to play QBs that I know are crap, and my agent is telling me other teams are interested in me to be HC... you better believe I'm leaving the Texans.
 
dream_team said:
That's a fair argument. I admit, I don't know the details of contract law as well. I'm sure there are ramifications if he breaks his contract and leaves the Texans. But, coaches are allowed to quit and break their contract. We've seen it done alot.

If he's worried about his reputation for breaking his contract, shouldn't he also be worried about his reputation of an offense/QB genius if crappy QB's are continually "forced on him"? According to alot of the rumor being spread around here on TT, he wanted Jimmy G but Rick didn't get him. He didn't want Brock, but he was forced to play him. And now, he didn't want Deshaun, but the FO drafted him anyways. If my reputation in the league is known as a QB/offense guru, but the FO is forcing me to play QBs that I know are crap, and my agent is telling me other teams are interested in me to be HC... you better believe I'm leaving the Texans.
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Aren't you taking for granted that the insiders of NFL teams don't have a network of information outside of what another franchise is willing to share with the public?
 
NFL Head Coaches have quit and walked away from the NFL, their team, their contract and have left huge amounts of money on he table when they did. Nick Saban, Steve Spurrier and Bobby Petrino to name few. The general consensus and conventional wisdom is once you have quit and walked away from the NFL you usually are not asked to come back.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Earlier on Radio 790, Sean Jones who formerly played with the Raiders, Oilers and Packers had this to say about the Jimmy Raye hiring and Rick Smith.:


"I know Jimmy Raye. I know him personally. And no disrespect to Jimmy, but he's no Alonzo Highsmith. He's not that guy.

More telling is that Brian Gaine leaves -- takes a job at Buffalo, which is not a lateral move, it's a step down -- but in his mind Houston is such a dumpster fire he'd rather leave than stay here. That tells me more than anything else.

So when Rick hires Jimmy Raye, Rick can't just hire him to Brian Gaine's position... he has to make it look like Brian left because we needed somebody better than Brian.

Jimmy Raye is not better than Brian Gaine."

"Rick Smith has a place in this league. He's very good at all administrative facets of being a GM... he's just not a good evaluator of talent."
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There is a constant and ongoing liaison between the Commissioner, the NFL League offices and the NFL's individual teams. Rick Smith is more suited as an administrator for dealing with League Affairs than he is in current position as Assistant to the GM. Rick would be more effective if his office was moved to the other side of Reliant Stadium. Rick and Cal. Rick and Cal and Bob for that matter. Rick and Cal and Bob and The Boardroom would be even better.
 
Number19 said:
I hate responding to nonsense but no one else did and I also dislike not correcting misleading statements. I admittedly do not have a degree in contract law, but I believe I'm correct in stating that contracts cannot be walked away from, or broken, without ramifications. O'Brian is under contract to the Texans, and unless there are clauses addressing the issue, he cannot just "quit"; and if he did, he would not "get another HC gig" until the dispute is settled in court or privately. I'm not even certain he could quit and retire, if the Texans wanted to pursue the matter.

Of course I can guess your likely response is that O'Brian should have quit and paid whatever penalty. But that's easy to say if it's not your reputation or life on the hook.
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He doesn't have to quit.

He could get fired for doing what he believes is right. I'd have more respect for him if he did... like Kubiak did.

Or he could do what he believes is right & it works. McNair & Rick might be upset (if you believe they "forced" O'b to start Osweiler). Then they can decide if they're going to bite their lip & extend a Super Bowl winning coach, or they can choose fire a coach who failed to make the playoffs for benching their golden child.

If I'm some other team owner/GM & I see that Bill O'Brien started Osweiler for 16 games because he was told to even though he knew the guy wasn't any good... I don't want him.
 
Texian said:
John McClain is one of the most respected sports beat writers in the NFL. Houston is lucky to have him. Also players are more apt to talk to former players off the record than they are a member of the press.
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John McClain is only well respected because of his longevity. His accuracy has a lot to be desired. Houston is far from lucky to have him.
 
DocBar said:
John McClain is only well respected because of his longevity. His accuracy has a lot to be desired. Houston is far from lucky to have him.
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He's respected because 30 years ago he had inside info on the Oilers and got friendly with visiting teams and was actually relevant and reported news, much of it a scoop. He hasn't had that inside track with the Texans and guesses a lot now
 
JB said:
He's respected because 30 years ago he had inside info on the Oilers and got friendly with visiting teams and was actually relevant and reported news, much of it a scoop. He hasn't had that inside track with the Texans and guesses a lot now
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My statement is still valid. McClain is only valid because of his history with the club. A sad decline to mediocrity.
 
JB said:
He's respected because 30 years ago he had inside info on the Oilers and got friendly with visiting teams and was actually relevant and reported news, much of it a scoop. He hasn't had that inside track with the Texans and guesses a lot now
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Is any of this good enough reasons for fat shaming and name calling?
 
Well looks like Ricky McNair has now surrounded himself with nobody that is a threat to the mediocre job that he's been doing for over a decade.

Problem with that is you lose qualified people and replace them with lesser/unqualified people. What could go wrong?
 
steelbtexan said:
Well looks like Ricky McNair has now surrounded himself with nobody that is a threat to the mediocre job that he's been doing for over a decade.

Problem with that is you lose qualified people and replace them with lesser/unqualified people. What could go wrong?
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Fair assessment...I'd like to ask Mike Tyson how it worked out for him when Don King took over his career.
 
jradMIT said:
This is from the guy who pointed out Cal's waist size.
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Noting that someone has a 46" waistline and a large wallet is indicative of someone living a life of leisure is not fat shaming. Calling someone "Pancakes" and mocking them because of their girth IS.
 
Texian said:
Noting that someone has a 46" waistline and a large wallet is indicative of someone living a life of leisure is not fat shaming. Calling someone "Pancakes" and mocking them because of their girth IS.
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Pretty sure McClain mocks his own girth.
 
If Brown wants more $$ and the Texans don't want to put more on the table, I think a good compromise would be increased incentives. X amount of $ for starting and finishing X amount of games. Sliding scale of X amount of $ for how Brown grades as an O-lineman. X amount of $ for where Brown grades against other LT's in the league. And so on. This would allow Brown to show he deserves the $$ and it allows the Texans to maintain that they did not renegotiate a contract with 2 yrs remaining.
 
infantrycak said:
He's very underpaid as a LT. Market is more like $13-14 mil. I can see why he would want to maximize the back end of his career.
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I agree with that since Brown is the only seasoned, competent vet at the second most important offensive position on the roster. I mean we know if Brown was a free agent this year and there was an ample supply of OT FAs and also a good year for OTs in this years draft the Texans would leverage those circumstances to the max to come to the most favorable terms on a new contract with Brown. I see no reason why it shouldn't work both ways ?
 
Flyingfish said:
If Brown wants more $$ and the Texans don't want to put more on the table, I think a good compromise would be increased incentives. X amount of $ for starting and finishing X amount of games. Sliding scale of X amount of $ for how Brown grades as an O-lineman. X amount of $ for where Brown grades against other LT's in the league. And so on. This would allow Brown to show he deserves the $$ and it allows the Texans to maintain that they did not renegotiate a contract with 2 yrs remaining.
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I hope Brown holds out through the beginning of the season and then takes Bob/Cal/Ricky to the woodshed in contract negs.

They should've tried to fix the OT situation and need to pay the price for that situation.
 
Seems like an extremely wise move on Brown's part for many reasons. He is far and away our best lineman, and one of the top tackles in the league, but not getting paid like it. He's getting older and is still coming back from a major injury, it's in his best interest to get guaranteed money back into his contract. This is also the perfect time to do so. We have leftover funds in the bank from Oz, and without Brown our offense has no chance of being successful. XSF can't carry the left side with whoever would be the replacement, and the right side is still fubar, plus young inexperienced quarterbacks - we need Brown to have any shot at moving the ball.

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thunderkyss said:
eww.... I sure hope it isn't Brown asking for more money. That doesn't make sense. Two years early...

It would make more sense that the Texans are asking him to take a pay cut. But missing OTAs because of that doesn't sound like an appropriate response.
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How does it make sense to ask your best O-lineman and ONLY qualified LT to take a pay cut?
 
infantrycak said:
He's very underpaid as a LT. Market is more like $13-14 mil. I can see why he would want to maximize the back end of his career.
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I don't know about very underpaid. $13-14M is for the top guys at the position. He's getting close to $10M after significant injury. He was very underpaid prior to injury, but I'm not sure he is right now.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I don't know about very underpaid. $13-14M is for the top guys at the position. He's getting close to $10M after significant injury. He was very underpaid prior to injury, but I'm not sure he is right now.
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Free to tell me I'm wrong but post injury he is still one of the best.

That's the thing about LTs. If they're silent they're good. Duane regularly punks people. He quietly sets an edge. We'll notice when he's gone.

Quick, name the LT for the 90s Cowboy SBs? See?
 
infantrycak said:
Free to tell me I'm wrong but post injury he is still one of the best.

That's the thing about LTs. If they're silent they're good. Duane regularly punks people. He quietly sets an edge. We'll notice when he's gone.

Quick, name the LT for the 90s Cowboy SBs? See?
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Tunei (SP?)
 
steelbtexan said:
Tunei (SP?)
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Close. Tuinei. 2nd round. Hudson did a number on him and he became a wall, mean wall to boot.

Anybody that can coach a 250 lb C to be one of the best in the NFL and for a power rush team. Damn, that's a coach.

They listed Stepnoski as high as 269 but everyone knew it was a lie. He should be Hall. He was a mule. Fireplug in the middle the water had to break over/around.
 
Texian said:
and besides he kinda has them by the ying yang.
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steelbtexan said:
I hope Brown holds out through the beginning of the season and then takes Bob/Cal/Ricky to the woodshed in contract negs.

They should've tried to fix the OT situation and need to pay the price for that situation.
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Good luck with that. For better or worse, trying to "test the resolve" of our GM hasn't ended well for the players involved.


infantrycak said:
Close. Tuinei. 2nd round. Hudson did a number on him and he became a wall, mean wall to boot.

Anybody that can coach a 250 lb C to be one of the best in the NFL and for a power rush team. Damn, that's a coach.

They listed Stepnoski as high as 269 but everyone knew it was a lie. He should be Hall. He was a mule. Fireplug in the middle the water had to break over/around.
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Step was one of the finest technical blockers ever. Always thought he'd make a hell of a coach.
 
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