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What's your plan for QB next season?

watt99x99 said:
we have good enough defense to win it all even next yr. just need qb who can put some pts on the board. if we played like falcons in the first half we would have won that game just milking the clock. just draft 1st - 3rd with some free agent. last yrs signs didn't work again, but texans can't stop trying. bring in 2 new faces to see what texans get in the preseaon. pick best one. no more of this giant sign with no full season. if they were some big name yeah maybe.

really wouldn't mind AJ from bingles. just to see what ob see in him.
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You will see a big step up next year from Fuller and Braxton Miller.
We just need to get our run game sorted out - it has kinda lost its way with no Foster.
And the o-line of course.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
What if Vrabel goes to the booth?

I'd find it strange for RAC to be a sideline DC and then go to the booth when promoted to assistant HC.

I have no idea if Vrabel is a booth guy or not, but I'd guess probably not.

And on Gameday the DC is mostly looking at the bigger defensive picture and calling plays. I don't think there's going to be any confusion by anyone.
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I cant remember ever seeing rac in a booth. But if his job truly is assistant head coach he needs to be linked up with every aspect of coaching d-o-special teams. AND he needs to be watching for game management issues. Seems the best way to do that is a booth. I could be wrong. I dont know how the logistics work but i always assumed offenses and defenses had 2 radio channels and there is likely a 3rd "spare." Seems he should be in the crows nest next to people monitoring those channels, forwarding trends etc to respective parties, monitoring the opposing sideline, monitoring possible challenges/reviews, whatever. Purely speculation on my part and maybe all these things happen regularly on the sidelines without the booth. But it's my guess.
 
rac is going to booth because he has more say in football team. also he will be letting team know what type of D other team is playing, so bill can adjust.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Did RAC say he was going to be in the booth?

If he did I'd find that kind of strange tbh.
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I thought I remember hearing it from McNair -- double checked and found this from his press conference last week:

Well, you know, he’s (Bill O’Brien) been calling the plays. Most of the time, anyway. He passed it off for a short period of time. But, now, you know, he’ll have Romeo (Crennel) up in the booth for the games instead of being on the sideline. So, he can help him on offense as well as defense. So, he’ll have another pair of eyes up there helping him out and I think that will work well. Romeo has done it all before. He can be helpful there
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http://www.scout.com/nfl/texans/story/1751853-top-5-takeaways-from-mcnair-talking-texans

Also, author's notes following Crennel comments:
Notes:Romeo Crennel will be in the booth on game days according to McNair, which will leave Mike Vrabel on the field to get input from upstairs but run the defense he sees fit. More importantly, the Texans will give Crennel power to help both he offense and defense. With O’Brien taking over the offense, he is going to need extra eyes for the team, that is exactly what Crennel has been hired to do as the assistant head coach.
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Upgrade at quarterback is Texans' top offseason priority
By John McClain, Houston Chronicle
February 11, 2017


The Texans have a lot of priorities in the offseason, and none is more important than improving at quarterback.

In the draft, through free agency or by trade, general manager Rick Smith and coach Bill O'Brien have to find a way to upgrade the most important position on the team.

In O'Brien's first three seasons, the Texans finished 9-7, including back-to-back AFC South titles and a wild-card victory over Oakland.

Even though Brock Osweiler threw 15 touchdown passes and 16 interceptions and compiled a rating of 72.2, only four teams advanced further than the Texans this season.


It is interesting to note that since the merger of the NFL and AFL in 1970, only two Houston teams advanced beyond the divisional round - the 1978 and 1979 Oilers. Even the Oilers of the run-and-shoot era, with Hall of Fame quarterback Warren Moon, never made it further than the Texans this season.

Division catching up

Improvement at quarterback is essential for the Texans because the AFC South should improve next season. Only Jacksonville finished with a losing record in 2016.

Despite the Texans winning four of the last six division titles, expect Tennessee to be the sexy pick to win the AFC South next season.

The Texans have Osweiler, Tom Savage and Brandon Weeden on the roster at QB. Owner Bob McNair said last week the most likely avenue to pursue another quarterback is the draft - if they find a prospect O'Brien and Smith believe in.

The Texans have the 25th pick in the first round. Smith has done a terrific job of drafting in the first round, but this may be the year he has to trade up, even if it costs first-round picks this year and beyond. But that prospect would have to be special.

This problem has to be fixed. Obviously, the Texans thought they solidified the position last year when they signed Osweiler. But in his first season he didn't do anything to justify the four-year, $72 million contract.

Savage, who flashed against Jacksonville and Cincinnati before suffering a concussion at Tennessee, will be in the last year of his contract. As McNair pointed out, Savage has to be able to stay healthy.

So, once again, the Texans are in the market for a quarterback.

Let's look at the draft. It is too early to rank the quarterbacks in the April 27-29 draft, but these are the prospects who could go in the early rounds.

The top three appear to be North Carolina's Mitch Trubisky, Clemson's DeShaun Watson and Notre Dame's DeShone Kizer.

At this point, the group behind them includes Texas Tech's Pat Mahomes, California's Davis Webb, Pittsburgh's Nathan Peterman and Miami's Brad Kaaya.

They can move up or down based on what they do in shorts and T-shirts at the combine Feb. 28-March 6, pro days, private workouts and in interviews.

The key, of course, is pursuing a quarterback O'Brien and new quarterbacks coach Sean Ryan believe they can develop and eventually excel in their system. They can't force it.

Salary cap a factor

Some veterans are expected to be available through trades or in free agency that begins March 9. Teams can negotiate with agents representing free agents from other teams March 7.

The Texans' salary cap will play a key role in what they do at quarterback if they don't find a prospect in the draft.

The Texans have $21.5 million of salary-cap space, based on a projected $168 million cap, according to spotrac.com. That doesn't include hidden costs such as draft choices, injured reserve, practice squad, etc.

That means the Texans could have about $13 million to use. The top priority in free agency is to re-sign cornerback A.J. Bouye, who is going to be one of the league's most coveted free agents after his outstanding season on the NFL's No. 1 defense.

When it comes to possible quarterbacks, a lot of speculation centers around Tony Romo coming to the Texans. Don't expect for them to trade for him because of his contract.

If Romo is released and becomes an unrestricted free agent, expect the Texans to check him out. To play for the Texans, he would have to take a huge pay cut.

If New England tries to trade Jimmy Garoppolo, who is entering the last year of his contract, calling the Texans would be an obvious move for coach Bill Belichick.

Limited trade leverage

If the Patriots decide to move Garoppolo a year before they could lose him and get nothing in return, they will want a first-round pick and more. The Texans have the 25th pick and figure to be somewhere in the 20s again next year. Belichick would want a No. 1 pick a lot higher than the Texans could offer.

Washington is expected to franchise Kirk Cousins again if it can't work out a long-term deal. If he gets the exclusive tag, he couldn't sign with another team. Without the exclusive tag, he could leave for a pair of first-round picks.

Jay Cutler and Tyrod Taylor are other veteran quarterbacks who could become available.

Do Cutler or Taylor float your boat?

Didn't think so.

Unfortunately for the Texans, a lot of teams need quarterbacks, including Cleveland (first pick), San Francisco (second), Chicago (third) and the New York Jets (sixth).

Of the 12 teams that made the playoffs, the Texans were the only one with a free agent at quarterback.

Five of the playoff quarterbacks were drafted in the first round - Ben Roethlisberger, Ryan Tannehill, Aaron Rodgers, Matthew Stafford and Matt Ryan. Two quarterbacks - Eli Manning and Alex Smith - were acquired in trades but had been first overall picks.

The other four quarterbacks in the playoffs were drafted in the second (Derek Carr), third (Russell Wilson), fourth (Dak Prescott) and sixth (Tom Brady) rounds.

This season's playoff quarterbacks combined to win 11 Super Bowls. And the lowest pick of them all is the greatest quarterback in history who will be trying to win a sixth ring after he turns 40.

The Texans' quest to solve this critical shortcoming will make thisa very intriguing offseason.
 
And with everyone knowing what they should do they'll probably go TE in the first round.
 
They will have much more cap room to play around with I can't imagine Newton, Bergstrom or Clark coming back and that is about 10 mil on its own.
 
jradMIT said:
They will have much more cap room to play around with I can't imagine Newton, Bergstrom or Clark coming back and that is about 10 mil on its own.
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Don't count on Clark being gone. We still need a swing tackle and he's the only other OT on the roster besides Brown with Newton being done. They will probably keep him until they know the draftee or signing will work out. Pretty cheap depth
 
JB said:
Don't count on Clark being gone. We still need a swing tackle and he's the only other OT on the roster besides Brown with Newton being done. They will probably keep him until they know the draftee or signing will work out. Pretty cheap depth
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As bad as he was, I agree to an extent. We have an alarmingly low amount of bodies at tackle. If we draft a few high, maybe we cut him, but I don't see us going that route.
 
thunderkyss said:
Last time we were this excited about the QB class of the upcoming draft, we ended up with Tom Savage.
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Savage was like an afterthought. I reckon they got cute thinking their somebody would be there in the third and he unexpectedly went off the board.
This time we probably end up with Jarod Evans, but if its not one of the top three, I am hoping for Mahomes or Peterman.
It will certainly be interesting to see who they do draft.
 
Can you imagine the headache that would cause? No way does OB or Rick Smith seriously consider this, imho.
 
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At this point, why the heck not? There seems to be this paradigm that we need to be selective in our QB choices (at least who we bring in to evaluate) in order to uphold some high standard that, quite frankly, doesn't exist at that position in Houston. That's completely on ownership and our GM, and it is the reason we are doomed to mediocrity at that position for the foreseeable future. No, I'm not saying Vince Young is the exception to this rule and could be the answer, but sitting on our a$$ for the next gem in the draft isn't going to do anything for us either.
 
Dakota said:
At this point, why the heck not? There seems to be this paradigm that we need to be selective in our QB choices (at least who we bring in to evaluate) in order to uphold some high standard that, quite frankly, doesn't exist at that position in Houston. That's completely on ownership and our GM, and it is the reason we are doomed to mediocrity at that position for the foreseeable future. No, I'm not saying Vince Young is the exception to this rule and could be the answer, but sitting on our a$$ for the next gem in the draft isn't going to do anything for us either.
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Take a look at him sure but I think this system will be way too complicated for him.
 
Texansphan said:
Take a look at him sure but I think this system will be way too complicated for him.
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Agreed. But my point was we are in no position to dismiss any potential assets in the QB department, especially when there are no roster or monetary guarantees required.
 
Texansphan said:
Savage was like an afterthought. I reckon they got cute thinking their somebody would be there in the third and he unexpectedly went off the board.
This time we probably end up with Jarod Evans, but if its not one of the top three, I am hoping for Mahomes or Peterman.
It will certainly be interesting to see who they do draft.
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I think Peterman, Evans, and Webb are all guys out of those top 4 (Kizer, Trubinsky, Watson, Maholmes) that are intriguing. Peterman and Evans intrigue me the most. Evans might have the most upside.
 
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Good for him, he should have done that long ago and then maybe after having spent time there, he'd be a more realistic option as a camp body. At this point, I think he's just a waste of snaps. We hear coaches complain about the amount of time they have with players, those TC snaps are valuable.
 
Dakota said:
At this point, why the heck not? There seems to be this paradigm that we need to be selective in our QB choices (at least who we bring in to evaluate) in order to uphold some high standard that, quite frankly, doesn't exist at that position in Houston. That's completely on ownership and our GM, and it is the reason we are doomed to mediocrity at that position for the foreseeable future. No, I'm not saying Vince Young is the exception to this rule and could be the answer, but sitting on our a$$ for the next gem in the draft isn't going to do anything for us either.
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First of all, "Why the heck not" was the general mantra around the Osweiler signing, and see how well that worked.

For all the mediocrity and below average (or worse) QB play we've seen, there was never a signing that said "We're giving up on the QB position and allowing things to turn into a circus" like this one would.

For all the flaws Brock, Hoyer and Fitzy have/had, they were viewed as belonging in the NFL at the time they were signed. VY hasn't taken a snap in a RS game since the 2011 season. Since that time, the Bills, the Packers, and the Browns all signed him, and made the decision not to keep him on the regular season roster (Cleveland made the decision not to keep him for more than 2 weeks). VY is now a side show, and would be received by the other players on the roster as such. That's how things get worse.
 
Dakota said:
Agreed. But my point was we are in no position to dismiss any potential assets in the QB department, especially when there are no roster or monetary guarantees required.
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Agreed, however, VY doesn't fit the "potential asset" qualifier.

ChampionTexan said:
First of all, "Why the heck not" was the general mantra around the Osweiler signing, and see how well that worked.
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Do not agree. It was really just the 2nd time in franchise history that they truly addressed the QB position. It didn't work, but it's not a careful what you wish for type deal.

Osweiler blows and if he never starts for this franchise again it'll be too soon, but I have no problem at all adressing the issue for a change. They missed. It happens because QB is so hard to find. Step back up to the plate and try it again.

And no, if you couldn't tell by my reply to the first quote, I'm in no way, shape or form suggesting giving VY a shot.

We really need to stop responding to these idiotic topics so that they just fade away.
 
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Hey listen up fellas, Vince Young indeed was a terrific college QB and he also had a couple descent years in the NFL but those days are now long gone.
Now people who come out wanting VY to play QB again in the NFL for the Texans remind me of Ed Emmett and his desire to resurrect the Astodome to its glory days.
Time to give it a rest.
 
banned1976 said:
Me too. And I think he's smart enough to pick up this offense quickly. Just don't use him as a place kicker holder.
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Not a chance.
This offense is too complicated.
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Romo has been running the Air Raid; he's not as qualified as Fitz, Hoyer, Mallett, or Osweiler.
He will be basically a rookie.
Looks how long it took Savage; and he was yet to be ready.

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Dakota said:
Agreed. But my point was we are in no position to dismiss any potential assets in the QB department, especially when there are no roster or monetary guarantees required.
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Tebow? Manziel? Can't dismiss potential assets, can we?
 
jradMIT said:
I think Peterman, Evans, and Webb are all guys out of those top 4 (Kizer, Trubinsky, Watson, Maholmes) that are intriguing. Peterman and Evans intrigue me the most. Evans might have the most upside.
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Peterman's arm just looks so weak when watching him throw I think it would be an issue in our offense. everything I see him throw a 10-15 yard out I just think to myself nfl CBs would be licking their chops at a ball that hangs up that long. he does a lot of other stuff fairly well, but he is probably better suited for a kubs offense then an OB offense
 
Cant be worse that Brock .... Can he ?!

The fact that I didn't immediately dismiss this tells you how bad the Texans Quarterback situation really is ....... Desperation Much ?!
 
Texansphan said:
Savage was like an afterthought. I reckon they got cute thinking their somebody would be there in the third and he unexpectedly went off the board.
This time we probably end up with Jarod Evans, but if its not one of the top three, I am hoping for Mahomes or Peterman.
It will certainly be interesting to see who they do draft.
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Savage may have been and afterthought but, looking back at that off season, Savage and Garoppolo were the only 2 QB's that BOB had a personal workout with where he took them aside, after their Pro Days, and ran them through some drills to see if they could do what he wanted them to do. At the Draft I think BOB/Smith were going to take Garoppolo in the 3rd but that's when Belicheat beat them to the punch and got him late in the 2nd. So, after that BOB was left with Savage. Having said all this, I really believe it should give us some clues as to what kind of QB BOB wants in his system. Is Mahomes or Peterman that kind of QB? Out of those 2 I think Peterman fits better what he is looking for. My personal favorite is Evans who has the arm and mobility of Mahomes but is probably more refined in NFL skills and closer to Peterman in that regard, and really is closer to Dak than either of them. But, would BOB/Smith even think about drafting him? I don't think so. Like I said before in another thread, BOB is looking for Brady not Dak!
 
So should we give every washed up QB a try? What's Jeff George up to these days? I hear Rex Grossman played in a Super Bowl once as well.
 
b0ng said:
So should we give every washed up QB a try? What's Jeff George up to these days? I hear Rex Grossman played in a Super Bowl once as well.
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Jamarcus Russell, Akili Smith, Joey David Carr Harrington. Seriously as bad as Brock is (and he is bottom of the barrel bad) VY is washed up. Good luck to him but I don't see him having any chance of getting ANY job in the NFL right now. NONE.
 
Is there really a need for a separate THREAD on every QB that someone wants to entertain for the Texans. I believe there are already at least about 5. How about someone consider consolidating their thoughts in an existing thread like WHAT'S YOUR PLAN FOR QB NEXT SEASON?
 
Insideop said:
Savage may have been and afterthought but, looking back at that off season, Savage and Garoppolo were the only 2 QB's that BOB had a personal workout with where he took them aside, after their Pro Days, and ran them through some drills to see if they could do what he wanted them to do. At the Draft I think BOB/Smith were going to take Garoppolo in the 3rd but that's when Belicheat beat them to the punch and got him late in the 2nd. So, after that BOB was left with Savage. Having said all this, I really believe it should give us some clues as to what kind of QB BOB wants in his system. Is Mahomes or Peterman that kind of QB? Out of those 2 I think Peterman fits better what he is looking for. My personal favorite is Evans who has the arm and mobility of Mahomes but is probably more refined in NFL skills and closer to Peterman in that regard, and really is closer to Dak than either of them. But, would BOB/Smith even think about drafting him? I don't think so. Like I said before in another thread, BOB is looking for Brady not Dak!
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That's the way I remember it and of the QBs I've evaluated I sure do like Peterman's footwork. He's light on his feet, ballerina like. You got to love the way the kid beat Clemson and Penn St. Quick feet, quick release and quick decision maker, all go together, all part of the package.
 
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This thread does ask what we would do if we were calling the shots in regards to the QB situation. Before I go into a solution I would like to preface it with this thought, is O'Brien really looking forward to entering his fourth season as HC by running a dumbed-down version of his offense once again? My guess, probably not.

In all reality, this offense has too many moving parts for Osweiler, then toss in his horrible mechanics, ability to laser lock onto his receiver and then utilize his sun-dial wind-up to deliver a pass that a defender 15+ yards off the ball has time to react to is going to continue to lead to disastrous results. Does an effective OL and running game improve Osweiler? NO! Sadly, the team will be stuck with him for 2017 and the money he's owed is essentially going to remove all the wiggle room to obtain another QB for 2017. Worth noting, my guess is O'Brien wouldn't be any closer to opening his entire playbook with Brock under Center as he was in 2016.

Savage is Obie's only hope for 2017. Savage, according to O'Brien knows and understands his playbook. He will be playing his final season under his rookie contract and after that, it'll be anyone's guess as to what happens next. Will need to finish this later...big event getting started.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
This thread does ask what we would do if we were calling the shots in regards to the QB situation. Before I go into a solution I would like to preface it with this thought, is O'Brien really looking forward to entering his fourth season as HC by running a dumbed-down version of his offense once again? My guess, probably not.
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OB needs to ask himself what's the best way he can win games.

If he doesn't have a guy capable of running his "system" then 1) he's got to take some blame for that and 2) he's got to find an immediate solution for that.
 
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