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Sounds like Cedric Benson is coming to Houston

I don't really know what the RB situation was in Arizona, when Thomas Jones was there. But it is my belief, that the team itself wasn't conducive to running the football. I can't remember when they had anyone to put up any numbers in Arizona.

In Chicago, they had a running back who put up back to back 1200 yard seasons, and Cedric couldn't get anything going.

He's talented, I'll give him that. From the pictures I've seen, he's kept himself in shape. The boat thing, and the DUI, DWI, whatever aren't deal breakers to me.

I'm just saying I don't see much of a reason to believe he can play in this league.


There was also no reason to believe Andre Davis and Kevin Walter would be main contributors last season...

No reason to believe some of our late round picks (i.e Daniels, Diles) would be major contributors either if we use your logic....

There are many factors that determine whether or not a player can have success in the NFL....Too many to look at one stint and say "there's no reason to believe he can be successful"....

What do we KNOW about Benson ?

Off field troubles, not very productive in Chicago....Highly productive college player, physical specimen, young....

There are plenty of reasons to speculate why he could come here to Houston and be successful...Many don't even have to do wwith Cedric himself....;)
 
I have a meeting to go to so I will attempt to make this short and to the point.

Capwise: Benson had a base salary of about 650k. He wasn't scheduled to make a whole lot this year and pretty much had an incentive based salary. Now that he is cut - as someone stated, beggars can't be choosers so we pretty much have all the leverage in signing him. If someone wants to offer him more they can have him.

For Benson: This is an attempt to regain his career. He can either make it with an up and coming team with playoff potential or he can end up losing out to the likes of Steve Slaton, Darius Walker or Chris Taylor. All who have very little experience, not to mention the banged up Chris Brown and Ahman Green. If he can't make that roster, his career could really be over as far as big contracts go.

For Texans: Signing Benson sends a message that anyone toting the rock better make sure they aren't putting the ball on the ground and are learning this system because everyone is expendable. That creates competition, that creates good RBs and a better offense for the team. Benson pretty much comes on the cheap. If he makes it great he proved himself, if not well we made the others better and didn't lose on anything special.
 
I know I never post here but I have some info I think some people would like to know. Cedric Benson is a client at a place were I work and he was just in today. He was talking about the teams that he is talking with and the one that is closest to reaching a deal is Houston Texans. So what do you think.:thisbig:


Wow, 6 pages over a topic that is more than likely made up. This guy hasn't even posted back on this subject. He's probablly getting a good kick out of all this. :thisbig:
 
Wow, 6 pages over a topic that is more than likely made up. This guy hasn't even posted back on this subject. He's probablly getting a good kick out of all this. :thisbig:
I've heard it from other places too...I doubt this is made up....at least the talking to our brass thing.
 
I'm agin it! He makes the offense too predictable, won't block, can't catch, he is a selfish troublemaker, so why on earth would we even want to give him a tryout?


I agree. He just came out of an offense where Thomas Jones completely out played him, so why on earth would he become a good player now?

Just because Gibbs is here so many in here automatically assume that the Texans running game is just going to be transformed right away in one off season. It might take a year or so before his blocking scheme really starts taking off the way that it did in Denver. Benson would be terrible in this offense, and then he has all kinds of baggage as well. On top of that, Austin is two and a half hours away, and he doesn't need to be anywhere near Austin. He has never been able to stay out of trouble in Austin NOT NOW, and not college either.

He's a bust, and even if he did come to the Texans camp and work his ass off harder than anyone else on the team he still wouldn't amount to much because he simply isn't that good. End of story.

There are much better RB's that the Texans could be going after right now other than a DRUNKARD like Benson.
 
Running backs are all the rage as the NFL draft approaches. It's debatable whether that is because the quality of the runners this year is so good, or because the marquee value of the top players at other positions is so lacking. Whatever the reason, tailbacks are poised to grab the spotlight Saturday, with Auburn teammates Ronnie Brown and Carnell "Cadillac" Williams and Texas's Cedric Benson likely to be selected early in the opening round.

"All of them are talented players," Houston Texans General Manager Charley Casserly said last week. "They're all a little bit different. Cedric Benson is an inside-the-tackles runner who's going to give you great production. Cadillac Williams can give you big plays inside and outside. Ronnie Brown, if he was at another school, would have been a 1,000-yard rusher every year. I think he'll be a 1,000-yard rusher in our league. They all should be successful in the NFL."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61540-2005Apr17.html

that gives more ammo for some.. Casserly spoke
 
I agree. He just came out of an offense where Thomas Jones completely out played him, so why on earth would he become a good player now?

Just because Gibbs is here so many in here automatically assume that the Texans running game is just going to be transformed right away in one off season. It might take a year or so before his blocking scheme really starts taking off the way that it did in Denver. Benson would be terrible in this offense, and then he has all kinds of baggage as well. On top of that, Austin is two and a half hours away, and he doesn't need to be anywhere near Austin. He has never been able to stay out of trouble in Austin NOT NOW, and not college either.
He's a bust, and even if he did come to the Texans camp and work his ass off harder than anyone else on the team he still wouldn't amount to much because he simply isn't that good. End of story.

There are much better RB's that the Texans could be going after right now other than a DRUNKARD like Benson.


That's a good point, I think at the heart of it all with him is that i don't think that he's a coachable player & that certainly won't mesh well with gibbs' coaching style. C'mon we're talking about a guy who thought it was ok to kick someone's door in & retrieve stolen property instead of calling the cops. & i'm not some guy just hating on this dude just b/c, i actually thought that he might be the best player coming off of those Chris Simm led teams from UT.

He's young enough to maybe turn his career around & be the guy everyone thought he might be coming out, but i just don't believe that will happen with him b/c he's been so successful out of high school & college pretty much doing it his way.

Plus, If he had a problem sharing carries with Thomas Jones in Chi, i don't know why some think a change of scenery here might do him some good when he'll almost certainly be doing the same thing here.
 
There was also no reason to believe Andre Davis and Kevin Walter would be main contributors last season...
Hold on now. The very first thing I heard about Kevin Walther, was that he could be a very productive #2, if he were given the chance. We had every reason to believe he could be a big part of this offense.

We signed Andre Davis with the hopes that he could stretch the field, and be a viable back up to Andre.

And he was. He did exactly what we thought he was going to do.

Neither player compares to Cedric Benson, or his situation. He ran behind what was considered one of the best offensive lines in football, and did nothing.
No reason to believe some of our late round picks (i.e Daniels, Diles) would be major contributors either if we use your logic....
No, that's not logic at all.
 
I agree. He just came out of an offense where Thomas Jones completely out played him, so why on earth would he become a good player now?

Just because Gibbs is here so many in here automatically assume that the Texans running game is just going to be transformed right away in one off season. It might take a year or so before his blocking scheme really starts taking off the way that it did in Denver. Benson would be terrible in this offense, and then he has all kinds of baggage as well. On top of that, Austin is two and a half hours away, and he doesn't need to be anywhere near Austin. He has never been able to stay out of trouble in Austin NOT NOW, and not college either.

He's a bust, and even if he did come to the Texans camp and work his ass off harder than anyone else on the team he still wouldn't amount to much because he simply isn't that good. End of story.

There are much better RB's that the Texans could be going after right now other than a DRUNKARD like Benson.

I can't even believe that I am going to post what I'm about to write.

This post, and others like it in the thread, assumes that young guys will never grow up, or mature. Some will, some won't. Kubiak and Rick Smith are aware of all the problems that Benson has been involved with, perhaps better than many, given their connections. If they talk with him, spend some time with him, and come to the conclusion that he's worth taking a chance on, I'd have to trust their judgment. Sure, Benson did some bonehead things in Austin. He didn't act like a pro or prepare like a pro in Chicago. He hasn't even honored his own God-given talent.

Believe it or not, though, some people do wake up. It's up to Kubiak and Smith to figure out if Benson has, and if they determine that he might have, what level of risk they're willing to take for him. I'll trust them both, because they've earned it.
 
If you are a Texan fan from Austin, you should want this deal to go through. It would be nice to get a few more games on TV.
 
If you are a Texan fan from Austin, you should want this deal to go through. It would be nice to get a few more games on TV.

I'm in Austin, and Cedric Benson on the Texans isn't even going to make a DENT in the whole VY/Titans/KEYE thing. VY won the championship for UT, period. None of the complimentary players, or other ex-Longhorns will ever matter as much... certainly not enough to turn the tide on the whole KEYE thing. The only thing that will change that is more Titans losses, and more Texans wins.
 
I'm in Austin, and Cedric Benson on the Texans isn't even going to make a DENT in the whole VY/Titans/KEYE thing. VY won the championship for UT, period. None of the complimentary players, or other ex-Longhorns will ever matter as much... certainly not enough to turn the tide on the whole KEYE thing. The only thing that will change that is more Titans losses, and more Texans wins.

Which should be happening this coming season.

:fans:
 
I'm in Austin, and Cedric Benson on the Texans isn't even going to make a DENT in the whole VY/Titans/KEYE thing. VY won the championship for UT, period. None of the complimentary players, or other ex-Longhorns will ever matter as much... certainly not enough to turn the tide on the whole KEYE thing. The only thing that will change that is more Titans losses, and more Texans wins.

agreed, Roy Williams coming to the Texans wouldn't do it either
 
Right now I'm listening to John McClain on 610 radio and he got a question about the Texans lineup at RB for the upcoming season and he didn't even mention the possibility of Benson being signed for a shot at making the team ?
I dunno, but wonder if that means this story is so obscure he's not going to mention Benson's name or maybe John is too caught up in the movie scene these days to know about it ?
 
Right now I'm listening to John McClain on 610 radio and he got a question about the Texans lineup at RB for the upcoming season and he didn't even mention the possibility of Benson being signed for a shot at making the team ?
I dunno, but wonder if that means this story is so obscure he's not going to mention Benson's name or maybe John is too caught up in the movie scene these days to know about it ?

I think it probably means that he's not going to go on the radio and talk about Cedric Benson coming to the Texans because somebody with no actual credibility (no offense intended to the OP) said something on a message board.
 
I think it probably means that he's not going to go on the radio and talk about Cedric Benson coming to the Texans because somebody with no actual credibility (no offense intended to the OP) said something on a message board.

true... and even vinny had heard something (post 77) so who knows
 
You know I was thinking. Can you imagine if Casserly had brought in Chacon (another guy who was talented, and you brought him in hoping having it all taken away would make him gro up)? VINDICATION!!!

Chacon would get the keys to Houston :kingkong:
 
I reiterate that Benson is a no-risk situation for the Texans. I don't know Cedric Benson personally. I don't know where his mind is at. The Texans could find out pretty easily. If they feel he has hit bottom and is going to fix things and could help your football team, why not take a chance? He had a real bad offseason to say the least, but the only tangible thing you would lose is a few reps here and there for your RB crew and a few hundred grand.

I wasn't a huge fan of the guy's act in Chicago and felt he ran soft and wasn't dedicated, but Kubiak and Gibbs have shown they can take other people's trash and turn it into RB gold. If you feel the dude has any pride left, you buy stock in him now while its low because he has nowhere to go but up. I love our current RB corps. We got some talent, no doubt...but why not add another piece to the pie? Benson's vision is still top notch and he still has a lot of tread left on the tires...go for it Rick Smith. It's not on you if it doesn't work out, it would be on Benson.
 
Benson's vision is still top notch and he still has a lot of tread left on the tires.

I have seen no evidence of him EVER having top notch vision, much less him still having it. Even the highlight package linked to in this thread doesn't show anything but average-at-best NFL running back ability.
 
wow I did not know I would see this many posts. Yes I know some of you think I am making this up, but I just heard it and though you would like to know. For what it is worth he is a very nice guy seems shy sometimes. I first meet him when he was coming out of collage and when he got drafted and I do not think he wanted to play for the bears, but I do think he wants to play for Houston. He loves Austin so he will not be to far from his home. This time I will put on a dancing banana. :splits:

P.S.

I think Gibbs will help him with the blocking.
 
wow I did not know I would see this many posts. Yes I know some of you think I am making this up, but I just heard it and though you would like to know. For what it is worth he is a very nice guy seems shy sometimes. I first meet him when he was coming out of collage and when he got drafted and I do not think he wanted to play for the bears, but I do think he wants to play for Houston. He loves Austin so he will not be to far from his home. This time I will put on a dancing banana. :splits:

P.S.

I think Gibbs will help him with the blocking.

thanks for posting . i feel if it is meant to be it is meant to be..time will tell
 
in some runs from last season that he has more talent than Ron Dayne .

Talk about damming with faint praise. LOL I see what your getting at. He would be a better short yardage back than Dayne (never thought he was very good at that), but still don't think he has any real zip/explosion. I see him as a big, moderately slow pile driver type guy. I guess the issue is, I just don't like his game as I have seen it so far. Maybe that would change here.
 
Talk about damming with faint praise. LOL I see what your getting at. He would be a better short yardage back than Dayne (never thought he was very good at that), but still don't think he has any real zip/explosion. I see him as a big, moderately slow pile driver type guy. I guess the issue is, I just don't like his game as I have seen it so far. Maybe that would change here.

I'm a huge Longhorn fan and I have to say I was never really that impressed with Ced's work.

He came to Texas with great fanfare, a highly-coveted blue chip recruit with all kinds of records from high school. But he never excited me the way Ricky Williams did.

However, often in the 4th quarter of a game I'd see his game stats come up on the TV screen and I would be floored when I saw that he had run 33 times for 165 yards (like against A&M in 2004).

I guess what I'm trying to say is: the dude is not really flashy, but he'll get the yards if he gets the carries.
 
Maybe we can sign Benson, and trade him, Taylor, and Green to Miami for Ricky Williams.
 
wow I did not know I would see this many posts. Yes I know some of you think I am making this up, but I just heard it and though you would like to know. For what it is worth he is a very nice guy seems shy sometimes. I first meet him when he was coming out of collage and when he got drafted and I do not think he wanted to play for the bears, but I do think he wants to play for Houston. He loves Austin so he will not be to far from his home. This time I will put on a dancing banana. :splits:

P.S.

I think Gibbs will help him with the blocking.

I wish we knew where you worked.
 
I guess what I'm trying to say is: the dude is not really flashy, but he'll get the yards if he gets the carries.
Benson has only had (2) 100 yard games in his 3 seasons in the NFL. 4 of the 5 starting offensive linemen on the 2004 Longhorns are currently playing in the NFL. A lot of good college backs would have picked up 165 yards on 33 carries running behind that line.
 
Bring him into camp on an incentive laden deal. Evaluate his attitude and work ethic etc. for yourself. We have two fragile every down backs (does that make them every other down backs that combine to an every down back?) and two 3rd down backs.

Don't give him a chance but make him earn it. He's still a kid and may have been humbled. So long as the contract is performance based, cut him the minute he starts pulling stupid ****. If we had a ground game we could count on this is a much different team. I'm not saying hes a franchise back. I'm not saying he's not. I'm saying sometimes talent is burried under layers and layers of ego. You don't bring a guy like him in on his terms, you do it on yours. I think it would be worth a shot as long as he has come to the realization that he's not the man here.

Mike

I didn't see much of him in college, (I live in CA) but as soon as the Bears released him, I said to myself, "maybe the Texans will make a run at him."
 
wow I did not know I would see this many posts. Yes I know some of you think I am making this up, but I just heard it and though you would like to know.

I know you are not making this up. He's been in Houston since Sunday (my wife and I are friends with his on again/off again girlfriend).
 
I would bring in anyone to compete. If he's a waste...you put his arse back out on the street.

What could we lose? I did some stoopid things at that age and without all of the $$ to do it with.

Leonard Little was still playing wasn't he??? (I think thats the name of the guy who killed a woman and then got popped on a DWI again)
 
Benson has only had (2) 100 yard games in his 3 seasons in the NFL. 4 of the 5 starting offensive linemen on the 2004 Longhorns are currently playing in the NFL. A lot of good college backs would have picked up 165 yards on 33 carries running behind that line.


That's very true. Nobody could argue that Benson has not underachieved in his 3 years in the league. There are reasons to suggest that he might be worth trying to salvage however.

He was drafted in 2005 and held out for all of training camp which gave Thomas Jones the opportunity to get his career back on track. How many rookies backing up 1300+ yard backs lit the world on fire in the past couple of years? Like, one? (Jones-Drew in Jacksonville comes to mind).

67 attempts in 2005 got Benson a total of 272 yards and a 4.1 average. I'm inclined to believe that he got too few carries to ever truly get into any kind of rhythm.

His "big" rookie games consisted of 16, 14, and 12 touches. In every other game he was doing 2-3 carries a game. It's hard to break through when you don't get the touches and didn't go to camp.

I'm just saying that the man got off on the wrong foot in Chicago and a starter emerged in front of him before he could make it right.

So we go to 2006 and what do we see? Thomas Jones throwing up another 1200 yards, a 4.1 average and Cedric Benson (also averaging 4.1 a carry) unable to displace him. This begs the question "How many guys do lose their starting job a year after posting 1335 yards and a 4.3 average?"

If you're the bears how do you justify benching Thomas Jones after his 2005 performance? If you had known he was going to do that would you have even bothered to draft Cedric Benson that year? Sure Jones got them just under a thousand yards in 2004 but the Bears have been teased by "almost-franchise" backs ever since Walter Payton retired.

They got a thousand yards from Anthony Thomas a couple of times, James Allen once, Hell even Curtis Enis got within sniffing distance of 1K in 1999. I'm sure they picked Benson thinkin that Jones was just another in a long line of almosts. All that changed when Jones began really producing however in 2005-2006

From their perspective in 2006 they have a highly regarded rookie not getting banged up as much as he might be and they have Jones still running the ball strong enough. Grossman is kind of funky but they're a running team and they get almost 2000 yards on the ground just between Jones and Benson.

They go to the Super Bowl and lose.

2007 sees Thomas Jones headed out of town (why not, Benson averaged the same number of yards per carry, he's younger, and you have a lot of money tied up in him) and Benson takes the starting role. At the exact same time that this happens their QB situation goes to hell in a handbasket and the Bears experience a huge drop-off in their passing game. Other teams key on the run (because that's how you shut the bears down) and their run production drops as a result.

The only other consistent ball carrier for them over that time period was Adrian Peterson (the lesser) and he had averaged 5.1 and 4.1 yards per carry in the previous two seasons but he also fell to 3.4 yards a carry in 2007.

I think it just wasn't a good time to be trying to run the football in Chicago once the QB play went down the toilet. Everybody has to have some semblence of balance to their offense (everybody but Earl Campbell I guess) and so the Bears decide Benson hasn't done it for them and they draft Matt Forte. Benson starts screwing up and the Bears make the decision to release him. In the current NFL climate where bad seeds are starting to really bring heat on franchises this decision is understandable I guess. I think it was a bit hasty but hey, maybe they feel like they have it covered with Forte.

Looking at the three years objectively (or at least trying to) and then taking into consideration the excellent decision making process they have displayed in recent times where their offense is concerned what makes anyone think they necessarily got this decision right? These guys can't solve something as simple as deciding whether or not Rex Grossman should be their QB for all those years and yet we just assume that they know what they're doing with the RB's?

You could make a good argument that they've been wrong more often than they've been right over the past 8 years where RB talent has been concerned. It's a half-empty/half-full kind of argument but still, I think they gave up on Benson too soon.
 
I just shared this with DiehardChris in a PM but it's worth sharing here since it's just my thoughts on how I look at stocking teams I guess. Ced has been a bit immature but he is still young and already lost something important to him. I think Benson is still pretty talented and this is just my personal opinion, but this league is all about managing talent. The reason why people go to see talented musicians isn't because they work hard and have risen through the pack with extreme work ethic. They go because those people have talent that is unique. Substitute you or I to sing in place of your favorite musician and I guarantee you nobody buys any tickets to the event. Building a team with good character is important because you have to be able to manage weakness in talented people when you are in the talent business...Personally I think that Ced has some great feet in short space. He may not have elite burst in his extra gear but he has everything big backs like Steven Davis had in his prime. Go look up Davis's career stats and you will see it took him 4 years to make an impact in the league and for 3 years straight he was the most productive back in the league. I think he is talented enough to take a shot at him. The Patriots are a good example on how to bring in a talented malcontent (Randy Moss). You build a high character team and structure his contract right and let that high character team peer pressure him into wanting to behave.
 
If the Texans can sign somebody who actually produced (Colvin) to an incentive laden contract, I don't see why Cedric Benson has to sit on the streets doing nothing.

I think he'll get signed before training camp is over (Signed anywhere, not just here), because of injuries, etc.

Actually, now that I think about it, why not give Shaun Alexander a workout too?
 
Many have pointed out that the Texans are in a tough division. This is true. My philosophy is simple. When faced with stiff competition you have two choices:

1. Rise to and eventually ABOVE their level. (the ideal way)

OR

2. Grab the muff-huggas by the belt, pull them down into the pit where they've relagated you and beat them into the ground. (the street way)

Like Al Davis said: "Just win baby."
 
Actually, now that I think about it, why not give Shaun Alexander a workout too?

Because you can only bring a limited # of players into camp. How many RBs do we need in camp? I wouldn't mind giving Benson a chance...make it work heavily on incentives. If we do this...all the RBs will be busting thier butts in PS just trying to make the team. I see no harm in giving him a chance.
 
Najeh Davenport is now a FA.

I've always liked him. Thought we should have signed him instead of the other Dr dude (Samkon Gado).
 
Leonard Little was still playing wasn't he??? (I think thats the name of the guy who killed a woman and then got popped on a DWI again)
There is a double standard in this league regarding character. Turds that are good, get to keep playing. Turds who aren't that good, go unemployed. Leonard Little is good, so he gets to keep his job.

The only other consistent ball carrier for them over that time period was Adrian Peterson (the lesser) and he had averaged 5.1 and 4.1 yards per carry in the previous two seasons but he also fell to 3.4 yards a carry in 2007.
I think you make a good point that Benson's talent is somewhere between Thomas Jones and Adrian Peterson (the Bears version). I would say that the Texans already have 3 or 4 RBs in that talent category. Unless there is an injury to one of the backs already on the roster, why upset the apple cart? Especially, for a guy who likely won't be available at the beginning of the season?
I think Benson is still pretty talented and this is just my personal opinion, but this league is all about managing talent.
I think where the two camps on Benson differ is talent level. Some see him as having lead back potential, other see him as JAG. Personally, I see a lot more of Ron Dayne in Benson than Stephan Davis. And if you look at the numbers last year, Ron Dayne was a tougher interior runner than Benson. Regarding character issues, yeah you make allowances for special talent. Like a Randy Moss. Benson has not shown to be a special talent.

I'm not suggesting the Texans not do their due diligence by meeting with Benson. Although I do think that had Kyle Shanahan played college ball with Shaun Alexander or Travis Henry, those guys would be getting the meeting. Considering the injury histories of Green, Brown, and Taylor, it's quite possible that the Texan may be looking at a RB by midseason. And if Benson stays out of trouble and is reinstated, he would be worth a call. But for now, I would prefer to see the guys on the current roster get their chance. They've worked hard in the offseason, and deserve the opportunity. Bringing in a guy like Benson right now sends the wrong message.
 
Well, since Marshawn Lynch isn't getting punished at all for his hit and run, I think Benson is safe anyways.

I mean, its not like weed or dogs are involved
 
There is a double standard in this league regarding character. Turds that are good, get to keep playing. Turds who aren't that good, go unemployed. Leonard Little is good, so he gets to keep his job.

I don't think it's a double standard. I think it's a turd to benefit ratio. The more benefit you have, the more you can act like a turd and teams still give you a chance. If you don't provide much benefit, you've got a lot leeway for turdly behavior. OTOH, if you're making a choice between two players and player A is OK and is clean but player B is better but is not clean, player A might get a better deal than player B.

So it works out.
 
Sure, Cedric Benson has talent. I know if for three reasons:

1. He was drafted extremely high in the draft
2. Many people say that he's very talented
3. I saw him play a lot as a freshman at UT and he exhibited a lot of ablility.


It's the third reason that bothers me. He had burst and quicknes and seemed to have good vision that year. Since then, I've seen him play 6 football seasons and have rarely seen signs of that talent again. For me, that is a huge body of work to see so little from. If we bring him to camp and give him a shot, my concern is that he shows some of that ability for two or three weeks and makes the squad at the expense of Green and/or CTaylor. Then, in week 2, Ray Lewis pops him in the chin in the second quarter and he turns back into the Pilsbury Dough Boy.
 
Bringing in a guy like Benson right now sends the wrong message.

To me, I think the only message it sends is "We are not happy with the running backs we currently have on roster" which shouldn't be too much of a stretch. Everybody raise your hand if you think Ahman Green will have a huge turnaround. Chris Brown? Chris Taylor? Steve Slaton?

Pretty much I'll take anybody coming into training camp and playing RB for us. If bringing in people like that effect the roster limit before training camp, then I can see why you wouldn't bring them in. I don't think Cedric Benson or Shaun Alexander are better or worse than the backs we already have, and really it's not like just their actual presence in Houston during training camp is going to really hinder the team.

On the other hand I can see why a lot of people wouldn't want him in because he's JAG. But looking at our RB corps, I think that it is filled with JAGs, and another isn't going to kill us.

I do concede the roster spot argument though.
 
To me, I think the only message it sends is "We are not happy with the running backs we currently have on roster" which shouldn't be too much of a stretch. Everybody raise your hand if you think Ahman Green will have a huge turnaround. Chris Brown? Chris Taylor? Steve Slaton?
How does Slaton need a turnaround? Cut the guy some slack, he's never played a down in the NFL. I guess the question is, does Cedric Benson have a better chance for a huge turnaround than the Texans vets? Wouldn't he need to have at least one good season in order to have a "turnaround".

Despite their injury histories, I don't know why so many are willing to kick Green & Brown to the curb. Brown & Green have been 1000 yard rushers. Benson has not. And Green has a much higher ceiling than Benson. A healthy Ahman Green is a better inside runner, outside runner, receiver, and blocker. Benson has missed 11 games due to injuries over the past 3 seasons. He hasn't exactly been Mr. Reliable.
 
How does Slaton need a turnaround? Cut the guy some slack, he's never played a down in the NFL. I guess the question is, does Cedric Benson have a better chance for a huge turnaround than the Texans vets? Wouldn't he need to have at least one good season in order to have a "turnaround".

Despite their injury histories, I don't know why so many are willing to kick Green & Brown to the curb. Brown & Green have been 1000 yard rushers. Benson has not. And Green has a much higher ceiling than Benson. A healthy Ahman Green is a better inside runner, outside runner, receiver, and blocker. Benson has missed 11 games due to injuries over the past 3 seasons. He hasn't exactly been Mr. Reliable.

I assume you know what I meant by bringing up my poor communication of ideas. No Steve Slaton, doesn't need a turnaround, but he is a rookie none the less.

I'm not trying to kick anybody to the curb, but healthy competition never hurt anybody.

EDIT: Just to clarify so nobody gets the wrong idea. I think Ahman Green and Chris Brown would do well to have healthy competition from other running backs that currently don't have ajob in the league. No, I don't want to "kick them to the curb" but they haven't done much for me lately, and if they were to lose their job to a motivated running back who was highly touted and just lost their job, I wouldn't shed a tear.
 
I just shared this with DiehardChris in a PM but it's worth sharing here since it's just my thoughts on how I look at stocking teams I guess. Ced has been a bit immature but he is still young and already lost something important to him. I think Benson is still pretty talented and this is just my personal opinion, but this league is all about managing talent. The reason why people go to see talented musicians isn't because they work hard and have risen through the pack with extreme work ethic. They go because those people have talent that is unique. Substitute you or I to sing in place of your favorite musician and I guarantee you nobody buys any tickets to the event. Building a team with good character is important because you have to be able to manage weakness in talented people when you are in the talent business...Personally I think that Ced has some great feet in short space. He may not have elite burst in his extra gear but he has everything big backs like Steven Davis had in his prime. Go look up Davis's career stats and you will see it took him 4 years to make an impact in the league and for 3 years straight he was the most productive back in the league. I think he is talented enough to take a shot at him. The Patriots are a good example on how to bring in a talented malcontent (Randy Moss). You build a high character team and structure his contract right and let that high character team peer pressure him into wanting to behave.

Well said.

When Kubiak first came to the team, the team wouldn't have been able to take on a player like this very easily because the entire lockerroom was a mess as far as leadership and preparation was concerned. Having a lockerroom full of guys who love football and don't just do the minimum.

I think he has the lockerroom where he wants them to be, and he is going to add people who he thinks will help and can humble themselves to the demands of the game. I think they are now in position to take some chances, as oppose to a situation like ATL where it is still pretty much chaos and they are trying to get rid of bad actors.
 
Not that I can speak for her, but she may mean that he could end up with jail time on top of the NFL suspension for the charges. One punishment being work related and the other being because of being convicted in a court of law.

Yup. That's what I meant.

From just looking at the charges from afar, it is hard to figure out what the legal punishment will be.

I think a decent lawyer could beat down the BWI charge in Austin. Questionable arrest, lots of witnesses disputing the polices version of events, etc. Prosecutors might want that to go away.

As for Chicago DWI, that's more difficult. I don't know the details, but they sound bad, and the locals are unfond of Benson (biggest draft bust ever for the Bears? Chicago people don't like that so much).
 
I assume you know what I meant by bringing up my poor communication of ideas. No Steve Slaton, doesn't need a turnaround, but he is a rookie none the less.

I'm not trying to kick anybody to the curb, but healthy competition never hurt anybody.

That may be true........but this is technically a matter of unhealthy competition. :gun:
 
As for Chicago DWI, that's more difficult. I don't know the details, but they sound bad, and the locals are unfond of Benson (biggest draft bust ever for the Bears? Chicago people don't like that so much).

Benson's DWI arrest was in Austin.

Cedric Benson's rocky relationship with the Chicago Bears got murkier Saturday after the running back's arrest on a drunken driving charge in Austin, Texas, his second arrest in little more than a month.
Maybe Benson beats one or both of the charges. I just haven't heard a good explanation as to why a team would bring Benson aboard until that happens.
 
it makes no sense to me.
I just don't see what Benson brings to the table that we don't already have in Taylor.
And if we didn't believe Green/Brown/Walker/Taylor were the answer, why pass on Mendenhall?

Rick Smith must think he can bring Benson in on the cheap. Otherwise, why bother?

And again, with the 80 player camp limit, who gets dumped so we can take a peek at this guy?
 
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