hookinreds
Veteran
Just heard it in the car on the way back from lunch and didn't see anything here. Wonder where he'll end up. Be interesting to find out who peed in who's cheerios.
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Chow out in Tackville..
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BeerTastesLikeVictory
Custom Title
Trouble with the offense, get rid of the OC. They must have read the Texans operations manual years 03-05.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
I'm speculating here, but I wonder if Chow voiced his displeasure with vince..?? or if it was "Fisher Ball"???
hookinreds
Veteran
That's my thoughts. Somebody wasn't playing nice in the sandbox.
UT is interviewing Major Applewhite for the open RB coaches spot, obviously would be groomed for the top spot in a couple years. Fisher interviews Greg Davis to see if he wants to come to Tackville and build an offense around VY, Major interviews for the RB coach opening but ends up with the OC spot.
austintexanite
Rookie
Didn't he say that Vince needs to stop pouting on the sidelines when things go wrong? It was probably those comments, but probably Bud firing him because Vince wasn't doing well.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Chow wanted Leinart and has been sore ever since.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
I mentioned this to many of my friends but I thought Young's talents were being wasted in this Chow offense. I think Young needs to be in a more vertical offense without all the extended hand offs and a scheme that tends to keep 8 defenders in or close to the box. Young can hurt a team when you spread them out...Chows offensive scheme kept everyone in tight. I'm not shocked to see him go.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Yup!! Both of those are true!!!
Are you sure it's Chow as much as it is Fisher's offense?? Chow didn't seem to have a problem spreading the ball around at SC... And everyone knows that Coach Fisher has always had a conservative approach to offense - even since being here in Houston.
austintexanite
Rookie
I believe USC did spread the ball around, but that's because they had a QB who could find the open man and hit them in stride. White and Bush both ran the ball a good amount of time, which opened the passing game, Leinart could hit the receivers in stride. I think was a clash of styles, and that Chow was not too pleased with having Young instead of Leinart.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Fisher liked to pound the ball and take shots down the field when defenders creep in to stop the run. Chow likes to use tons of short passes and extended hand offs and doesn't really stretch the field much. I think that if Young was in Fishers scheme when Mike Heimerdinger was his OC he would have more success (I think Young has more upside than Steve McNair). I think this is a good move for the Titans and a bad move for us and the others in the AFC South
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Or was it because Chow couldn't utilize his entire playbook due to VY? At the time of the pick I was somewhat baffled they went with VY with Chow instead of Leinart. IMO, Adams forced the issue and the Chow hire was doomed.
Oh well, like kast said, he'll have no problem finding a job.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Watch Leinart under pressure....he sucks. I didn't like Chow's scheme (after I saw many games) and I don't think that Young held him back. Chow was an unproven (in the NFL) coach...still is.Or was it because Chow couldn't utilize his entire playbook due to VY? At the time of the pick I was somewhat baffled they went with VY with Chow instead of Leinart. IMO, Adams forced the issue and the Chow hire was doomed.
Oh well, like kast said, he'll have no problem finding a job.
I must say I said good things about the Chow offense early on. I didn't like how it evolved into a pure dink and dunk offense over the long haul however.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
hahahahhahahah Greg Davis as NFL OC....hahahahhahahaha...funniest post ever
oh man, that is rich. I get where you are coming from because in a world where Davis didn't suck it would be a possiblity, but Davis has no chance in hell at a NFL OC job. not a snowball's chance in hell. VY didn't do much in college until Davis got out of the way and let Vince be Vince. Fisher is a smart coach so it will never happen.
that being said, NOTHING would make me happier as a Horns fan than to see Greg Davis leave Austin. That guy is just off the charts terrible. Mack is too damn loyal to the guy. He needs to go.
I don't want Applewhite as OC either. He was another coaches son just like McCoy and hopefully we start to go away from that in Austin. Unathletic small town coaches son's have got us nowhere and nothing over the past few decades. Gardere could at least beat OU but that was about it. The only guys who have won squat were James Brown and Vince Young and they were athetic and NOT coaches sons. We need more guys like that and less 'Opies' like Major and Colt. Colts absolutely sucks with Greg Davis or without.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
I wasn't really comparing the two. I was merely pointing out how odd I thought the pick was considering Chow was the OC at the time.
But, I can play too. Watch VY with a pulled quad...he sucks.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
I don't know, can it be much worse than the 0-4 record the Texans have against VY/Chow Titans
toronto
Hall of Fame
I fully expect Cam Cameron to end up there. I suspect Fisher had a plan in place before he canned Chow...and Cameron fits the bill perfectly...good QB mentor based on his work with Brees and Rivers...plus wont step back into the HC picture for a few years after that awful year in Miami....
bah007
Hall of Fame
As a UT fan, I would love to hear this on the radio. Not gonna happen though.
I don't know, can it be much worse than the 0-4 record the Texans have against VY/Chow Titans
Never, ever ask if something could be worse. We could be 0-10 against them in a matter of three seasons from now.
Obviously, I hope this is not the case, but our 2-10 record against the Titans is what it is.
toronto
Hall of Fame
lol that's like asking a Red Sox fan prior to 2004 if it could ever get worse than Buckner. Then Grady Little left Pedro in on fumes in the 8th inning of Game 7 against the Yanks. I swear I thought there were going to be 1 million suicides in NE that night.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Wow!! Just Wow!!!!
I think, but I may be delirious, but I think I heard Rich (que up 'Careless Whisper') Lord, just criticized his man-love Vince and say that he thought the Titans offensive woes were more on Vince, not Chow and also that Chow "knows what he's doing"!!!
I think, but I may be delirious, but I think I heard Rich (que up 'Careless Whisper') Lord, just criticized his man-love Vince and say that he thought the Titans offensive woes were more on Vince, not Chow and also that Chow "knows what he's doing"!!!
Goldensilence
hipster elite
I'm hoping John Chiles really starts pressing for PT this year. When he came in the game a few times I liked what I saw.
I don't as much have a problem with Colt...but his frame was way too small last year and he just hasn't seemed like the same guy since the shoulder inury. Didn't help behind Sweed the Wr corps was thin. Charles really saved the season. Had no problem with Major Who i still despise to this day is Chris Simms. I think he's gunning for Mack's spot and while Mack is a great recruiter he makes me nervous as a HC. Fitting the guy who Mack Benched for @#R$#@ Chris Simms takes over and prolly finds more success.
Silver Oak
All Pro
I recall when they first hired him, he was going to be the one to mentor vy and teach him the pro game.
I guess someone has to be the fall guy for that debacle.
I guess someone has to be the fall guy for that debacle.
drewmar74
disgruntled
Just so we've got a link on this one...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3197683
"The Tennessee Titans fired offensive coordinator Norm Chow after three seasons with the team, ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported Tuesday.
The Titans finished the regular season 10-6 and suffered a 17-6 loss to the San Diego Chargers in the first round of the playoffs. They finished 10th in the AFC in total yards."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3197683
"The Tennessee Titans fired offensive coordinator Norm Chow after three seasons with the team, ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported Tuesday.
The Titans finished the regular season 10-6 and suffered a 17-6 loss to the San Diego Chargers in the first round of the playoffs. They finished 10th in the AFC in total yards."
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
Sounds like there's more to this story than meets the eye.
Anyone else remember the story about Chow telling the NBC crew that Vince pouts when things don't go his way?
Looks like Vince just bagged his first coach.
I have no problem with the Tacks firing a guy that's been regarded as an offensive genius.
Anyone else remember the story about Chow telling the NBC crew that Vince pouts when things don't go his way?
Looks like Vince just bagged his first coach.
I have no problem with the Tacks firing a guy that's been regarded as an offensive genius.
Vince happy now. Bad Chow leave him alone and no more time out time. Nobody wants to be bothered when they are pouting.
hookinreds
Veteran
LOL...don't get me wrong, were on the same page on this one. Davis is the epitome of suck, and it would be a two for one if UT got rid of him and TU got him. What would be funny would be seeing Davis up in the booth with the helmet on and VY on the field with the headset telling him what play he was going to run.
I think Major has a way to go, but if it means getting Davis the hell out of there, well so beit.
Ok...now back to reality, play time is over.
nero THE zero
All Pro
I can't believe this hasn't been posted yet.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3197683
NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- The Tennessee Titans fired offensive coordinator Norm Chow on Tuesday after a season of struggling to score points and reaching the playoffs for the first time since 2003.
Titans coach Jeff Fisher confirmed the dismissal in a short statement. Chow, who had been on staff for three years, did not immediately return a telephone message left by The Associated Press.
But Fisher said the day after his Titans (10-6) lost an AFC wild-card game to San Diego 17-6 that improving the offense was his top priority this offseason. They ranked 21st overall in total offense and became the first team with only nine touchdown passes to reach the playoffs in a 16-game season.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3197683
NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- The Tennessee Titans fired offensive coordinator Norm Chow on Tuesday after a season of struggling to score points and reaching the playoffs for the first time since 2003.
Titans coach Jeff Fisher confirmed the dismissal in a short statement. Chow, who had been on staff for three years, did not immediately return a telephone message left by The Associated Press.
But Fisher said the day after his Titans (10-6) lost an AFC wild-card game to San Diego 17-6 that improving the offense was his top priority this offseason. They ranked 21st overall in total offense and became the first team with only nine touchdown passes to reach the playoffs in a 16-game season.
GlassHalfFull
Hall of Fame
Some Titans fans proposed this over on Titans Online and were quickly shot down by UT/Titans fans.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Looks down three threads.
This is gonna be interesting. It's definitely playing out as a VY vs. Chow thing. We'll know for sure if the next Titans OC can't make the QB better either.
My $$ is on Chow, though I do agree that they had VY in a situation where they weren't playing to his strengths.
My $$ is on Chow, though I do agree that they had VY in a situation where they weren't playing to his strengths.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Chow is the sacrificial lamb. His offense moved pretty well with Collins in there this year. Moreover, the WRs also looked miraculoulsy better when he was in.
I am a VY fan, but he needs to come to play next year or else he is positioning himself as a coach killer.
I am a VY fan, but he needs to come to play next year or else he is positioning himself as a coach killer.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
I think I am the only USC fan here (the only non-bandwagon fan anyways), but Chow was the result of talent on his team, more than his actual ability.
He had Lienart with Jarrett/Smith on the outside and the best backfield in a decade with Reggie and White. Before that, he had Palmer and a bunch of 1st round WRs.
He also didn't have the personel for his system. Fisher was all about the power run, with a huge O-Line and no WRs. The Tacks aren't built to throw it around the park.
He had Lienart with Jarrett/Smith on the outside and the best backfield in a decade with Reggie and White. Before that, he had Palmer and a bunch of 1st round WRs.
He also didn't have the personel for his system. Fisher was all about the power run, with a huge O-Line and no WRs. The Tacks aren't built to throw it around the park.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
There ya have it....
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Seriously, I knew about the pouting thing and Chow criticizing that (thanks to your thread).. My comment (that you quoted) was more about vince's sub-NFL QB performance - above and beyond him pouting.
bah007
Hall of Fame
I would like Davis to stay at UT, but ONLY as the QB Coach. No more playcalling.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
I heard on the radio this morning that Cameron and Capers would be Garrett's coordinators where ever he went. True or not, just thought I'd pass it on.
drewmar74
disgruntled
Apparently you're not the only person that thinks this way....
"The Titans are expected to move quickly to replace Chow and have their sights set on Denver Broncos assistant head coach Mike Heimerdinger, who was Fisher's offensive coordinator from 2000-04. Heimerdinger, who spent the past two seasons with the Broncos after one season with the New York Jets. On Tuesday night the Titans requested permission to speak with him."
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080116/SPORTS01/801160466/1002/SPORTS
The Titans offense in the Vince era did not look like any Chow offense I had seen before. Rather some weird hybrid involving the UT spread option. While that helped Young have some success early, it has retarded his progress as a NFL QB. Chow is a proven QB coach, but he couldn't reach Vince.
Fisher wants to run a power running game, with a bunch of designed roll outs and bootlegs. Ball control & playaction. He has the McNair clone in Young, but what's missing is the Eddie George type workhorse. All the experts believe that the Titans will look for a WR to help Vince. I think that Fisher will jump at the chance to get a Mendenhall or Stewart. Maybe even go after Michael Turner in free agency.
Fisher wants to run a power running game, with a bunch of designed roll outs and bootlegs. Ball control & playaction. He has the McNair clone in Young, but what's missing is the Eddie George type workhorse. All the experts believe that the Titans will look for a WR to help Vince. I think that Fisher will jump at the chance to get a Mendenhall or Stewart. Maybe even go after Michael Turner in free agency.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
I think I have a pretty good feel for the Titans and Fisher. As the year went on I noticed that Chow's system tends to keep a ton of defenders tight in the box and that is the exact opposite of what I'd want to do with VY as your QB. Chow is a proven coach...but he is a proven College coach. I'm pretty confident that making the Titan offense more vertical is going to make Young pretty dangerous in the long run. I'd be happier if Chow and his College offense stayed in Nashvegas.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Young QB's struggle...just because you hate the guy doesn't change that any.
toronto
Hall of Fame
There is almost no chance that the Titans go after Turner, if Turner is demanding 15M+ as a signing bonus. I suspect they will turn to the draft and try and correct a brutal mistake (Chris Henry) and take one of the highly touted RBs in round 3, probably more of a speedy changeup to the three yards and a cloud of dust Lendale...
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Henry was a mistake because Chow wanted a kagillion short passes as his passing game foundation. His offense worked great in College but may not work so well in the NFL where you have better tacklers on the edges and in the secondary. Henry was supposed to be a guy who caught a lot of short passes in space.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
The bolded could very well wind up true, but you have to figure that whomever they bring in, it's also going to set VY back a year or so just to learn a new offense. Mawae has already spout off about him, & it's obvious by watching his play on the field that he isn't quite seeing things as he should.