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Porky said:
Dobermans yes. German Shepards no. Not gonna swear there was never an isolated incident of a Shepard killing a kid, but I think your memory is wrong. I am older than you, and remember no such talk about Shepards. In fact, as I already mentioned, loyalty is the Shephards biggest trait, and they vitrually never turn on one of their own pack. Now, if you are a member of another pack.....that's a different story, especially if you show agression toward the dog or family.
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Not that old, but I have read A LOT about dogs.

All I've ever read about German Shepards was their loyalty. I've never read anywhere that they were considered a 'dangerous' or aggressive breed.

I've even read that they are a good dog to have around children.
 
The ONLY negative thing that I have heard about German SHepards is that when they get older, and really set in their ways, they can be a little more temparmental than other breeds...

But then again, my grandfather became a grumpy ol cuss too when he got older...
 
NEW YORK (July 23, 2007) -- Commissioner Roger Goodell has ordered Michael Vick of the Atlanta Falcons not to report to the team’s training camp pending the completion of an NFL review of his recent indictment by a federal grand jury in Richmond, Va., for allegedly participating in an interstate dog-fighting enterprise.

Commissioner Goodell informed Vick that the review would be completed as soon as possible and that Vick’s full cooperation is expected.

In a letter to Vick today, Commissioner Goodell said: "While it is for the criminal justice system to determine your guilt or innocence, it is my responsibility as commissioner of the National Football League to determine whether your conduct, even if not criminal, nonetheless violated league policies, including the Personal Conduct Policy."

Vick will not forfeit his preseason pay during his excused absence from training camp.

Commissioner Goodell also directed the Falcons today to withhold any contemplated team discipline regarding the Vick matter until the NFL review is completed.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/10266380
 
I've become very prejudiced against pits since my dad was attaced by three when he was riding his bike one evening. Dad was pretty tore up, but all in all he was lucky the owner was outside at the time to stop the attack.

Pit Bulls have changed a lot over the years. Here are some pictures of Pete the Pup from the Little Rascals. Compared to pictures of a modern Pit Bull and you'll see the change is significant. Particularly in the size and shape of the head along with the depth an width of the chest areas.

The problem with banning a particular breed is that given a little bit of time and some genetics know how, you can change the traits of any breed to look and act just like todays Pit Bulls.
 
Khari said:
NEW YORK (July 23, 2007) -- Commissioner Roger Goodell has ordered Michael Vick of the Atlanta Falcons not to report to the team’s training camp pending the completion of an NFL review of his recent indictment by a federal grand jury in Richmond, Va., for allegedly participating in an interstate dog-fighting enterprise.

Commissioner Goodell informed Vick that the review would be completed as soon as possible and that Vick’s full cooperation is expected.

In a letter to Vick today, Commissioner Goodell said: "While it is for the criminal justice system to determine your guilt or innocence, it is my responsibility as commissioner of the National Football League to determine whether your conduct, even if not criminal, nonetheless violated league policies, including the Personal Conduct Policy."

Vick will not forfeit his preseason pay during his excused absence from training camp.

Commissioner Goodell also directed the Falcons today to withhold any contemplated team discipline regarding the Vick matter until the NFL review is completed.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/10266380
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I have to admit, I like our new commissioner.
 
Hagar said:
I've become very prejudiced against pits since my dad was attaced by three when he was riding his bike one evening. Dad was pretty tore up, but all in all he was lucky the owner was outside at the time to stop the attack.

Pit Bulls have changed a lot over the years. Here are some pictures of Pete the Pup from the Little Rascals. Compared to pictures of a modern Pit Bull and you'll see the change is significant. Particularly in the size and shape of the head along with the depth an width of the chest areas.

The problem with banning a particular breed is that given a little bit of time and some genetics know how, you can change the traits of any breed to look and act just like todays Pit Bulls.
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the biggest problem with pitt bulls is that they have a heavy chase instinct and coupled with their insanely powerful jaws it is a bad combination to be around kids (kids tend to run around alot) or anything that moves quickly....for the most part. Dogs, like people are all different...but Mother Nature gave them that chase instinct and that makes those powerful dogs a danger.
 
Hagar said:
I have to admit, I like our new commissioner.
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Yep. He's a good one so far. However, the NFL/Falcons had to do something otherwise training camp would have been a media circus.

Joey Harrington! Come on down. You're now the Falcons' starting quarterback.
 
It's nice to see a commish with cohona's these days. Maybe this will keep the trash out of the leauge.( not refering to Vick,talking about future to be NFL players). However if he is found guilty he will definitely resemble this remark.:user:
 
Pantherstang84 said:
Yep. He's a good one so far. However, the NFL/Falcons had to do something otherwise training camp would have been a media circus.

Joey Harrington! Come on down. You're now the Falcons' starting quarterback.
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And what do we have for our new contestant, Rod?

"It's a set of sacks! Fresh from the Heart of Houston, Texas comes to you the Williams-Ryans series of crushing blows! This prize worth two of your potential touchdowns out the window!"
 
Texan_Bill said:
If there was a manual describing ideal Pit Bull temperament, it would probably read something like this: "The Pit Bull is goofily friendly towards people--family, friends, and strangers alike. Known for its sound character, strong nerve, and great intelligence, the breed makes an ideal companion for households with children, while remaining strong and vigilent enough to protect its loved ones if need be. It is never necessary to embark on guard or attack training with this breed, as they are naturally attuned to their environment and intuitive about real threats. Although never aggressive towards people without real need, the Pit Bull is dog-aggressive, to varying degrees.
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Signed: PBAA (Pit Bull Apologist Association) Seriously where do you get this stuff, there's no link provided.

Never aggressive toward people?? Tell that to all those dead children and old people attacked by Pit Bulls.
 
Pantherstang84 said:
Joey Harrington! Come on down. You're now the Falcons' starting quarterback.
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Don't count on that, I'm sure the Falcons will be looking for a good starter. Harrington was hired as back up and I think that's where he'll stay. He may take snaps in practice but I doubt he'll start any regular season games, they'll have a replacement for Vick by then. I seriously doubt Vick will ever be in a Falcon uni again.
 
Khari said:
Vick will not forfeit his preseason pay during his excused absence from training camp.
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So this is how they escape the PacMan issue... the NFL calls it an "excused absence" so therefore Vick gets paid, while PacMan is suspended, without pay...

But at what point does the "excused absence" become "suspension"??.. when the Fed Undercover Video showing Vick at a Dogfight gets leaked by someone looking for a payday??
 
Red_Zone said:
Harrington was hired as back up and I think that's where he'll stay. He may take snaps in practice but I doubt he'll start any regular season games, they'll have a replacement for Vick by then. I seriously doubt Vick will ever be in a Falcon uni again.
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Realistically, what does Atlanta have (other than draft picks) to trade to get a QB with?
 
Koolaid Time said:
So this is how they escape the PacMan issue... the NFL calls it an "excused absence" so therefore Vick gets paid, while PacMan is suspended, without pay...

But at what point does the "excused absence" become "suspension"??.. when the Fed Undercover Video showing Vick at a Dogfight gets leaked by someone looking for a payday??
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Going by the wording of the commisioners statement to Vick the situation is just under study, this is not the final dispensation. This will surely evolve into a full fledged suspension without pay. Also remember that the Falcons can still just release Vick after the NFL makes it's final decision if the Falcons want to. Right now the falcons are holding off pending NFL action.





Koolaid Time said:
Realistically, what does Atlanta have (other than draft picks) to trade to get a QB with?
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A lot depends on the final status of vick (concerning the NFL actions) and how it all plays out concerning the salary cap etc. Also they may be interested (at least temporarily) in an older free agent like Steve DeBerg, at least that's a name that's being tossed around on sports talk radio here.
 
brakos82 said:
And what do we have for our new contestant, Rod?

"It's a set of sacks! Fresh from the Heart of Houston, Texas comes to you the Williams-Ryans series of crushing blows! This prize worth two of your potential touchdowns out the window!"
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But wait! There's more. We'll also throw in a set of our finest bone rattling hits courtesy of Okoye Enterprises...

Seriously though. What cracks me up is how BSPN and crew hailed Rich McKay as the best GM in football because he stole 2 2nd round picks from the Texans going in to the draft.

However, hindsight is always 20/20....
 
Specnatz said:
I am 38 but I know growing up in the very early 70's some would say German Sheppards and Dobbermans were not good dogs to have as a family pet. They would turn on kids and kill them. I guess I should have said more like 30 years ago (damn I am getting old).

My point is that perceptions change all the time on a breed of dog, on people, on just about everything. A few people are advocating for the humane euthanization of pittbulls. That is if there is a humane way of making a breed of dog exstinct.

Yes porky I do think it is a quincidence. The two little gogs lived for so long together and then three more come in and tred on what they believe is their territory. It is possible for the little one to think he runs the house.
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I grew up with a German Shepherd, in the 70's, from a small boy, 4 or 5 or so, maybe even younger than that, I'll have to ask my mom, until he died when I was about 10 or 11.

That dog never had any training from anyone other than us teaching to sit and whatever. This dog was the most loyal dog you're ever going to find. He curled up around my mom's feet once in the backyard where she couldn't keep walking. She kept trying to scold him and push him away but he wouldn't let her go. Finally, a few feet ahead of her she saw a big snake slithering across the yard.

This dog was aggressive too, in a way that if we weren't in the backyard with whoever was back there, you'd better not go back there. But if we're in the backyard all the neighborhood kids could come back and never have to worry about the dog. In fact, we had a game we all used to play with him where he'd grab the tennis ball and we all chased him down to try and get it. Anyone who caught him could reach right into his mouth and work the ball out. Then they'd throw the ball, the dog would haul ass after it and we'd start chasing him again. Never bit anyone.

But if one of those kids tried to go back there when we weren't around, he wasn't going to let you do it.

He did like to carry cats around in his mouth though, until my dad whacked him with a golf club once. I don't know if he ever tasted another cat after that.

So anyway, that was over 30 years ago, so I don't know where the perception of them not being good family pets 20 years ago is coming from.
 
Red_Zone said:
Don't count on that, I'm sure the Falcons will be looking for a good starter. Harrington was hired as back up and I think that's where he'll stay. He may take snaps in practice but I doubt he'll start any regular season games, they'll have a replacement for Vick by then. I seriously doubt Vick will ever be in a Falcon uni again.
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Who? Culpepper? Rumor has it he is about to join Gruden's QB collection. I know the Falcons did not intend for Harrington to be the starter. However, I'm afraid they have no choice now.
 
Speedy said:
So anyway, that was over 30 years ago, so I don't know where the perception of them not being good family pets 20 years ago is coming from.
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For our generation, that's definitely true. Anyone remember the show "Run, Joe, Run"? It was about an army-trained German Shepherd that ran around doing good deeds looking for his trainer, who was always dressed as a civilian chasing after him.

Kinda' weird premise for a show, looking back on it. :um:

p.s. that's what I thought it was about, but here's the skinny:

Joe, a trained member of the military's K-9 Corp., was falsely accused of attacking his master, Sergeant Corey. Joe managed to escape before being killed and a bounty was put on his head. While Sergeant Corey tried to find him before the authorities did, Joe managed to help the people he encountered on his travels. Although Corey always came close, he never managed to find Joe. During the second season, Corey was called back to duty and Joe teamed up with Josh McCoy, a hiker, and continued on his trek while helping others. - Source
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Double Barrel said:
For our generation, that's definitely true. Anyone remember the show "Run, Joe, Run"? It was about an army-trained German Shepherd that ran around doing good deeds looking for his trainer, who was always dressed as a civilian chasing after him.

Kinda' weird premise for a show, looking back on it. :um:

p.s. that's what I thought it was about, but here's the skinny:



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Double Barrel wins!
 
Red_Zone said:
A lot depends on the final status of vick (concerning the NFL actions) and how it all plays out concerning the salary cap etc. Also they may be interested (at least temporarily) in an older free agent like Steve DeBerg, at least that's a name that's being tossed around on sports talk radio here.
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OMG Steve DeBerg. He must be over 50.....

Last time I saw him he was doing late night infomercials for the Senior Citizen "Reverse Mortgage" Scam...
 
Pantherstang84 said:
Who? Culpepper? Rumor has it he is about to join Gruden's QB collection. I know the Falcons did not intend for Harrington to be the starter. However, I'm afraid they have no choice now.
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Watched NFL total access yesterday right around when the story broke about goodell telling vick not to go to training camp & Schefter said that the Falcons front office said they weren't interested in Culpepper. They might actually roll with Harrington but just to be safe, they'll open the position up for competition in training camp so shockley can maybe have a shot.
 
Speedy said:
I grew up with a German Shepherd, in the 70's, from a small boy, 4 or 5 or so, maybe even younger than that, I'll have to ask my mom, until he died when I was about 10 or 11.

That dog never had any training from anyone other than us teaching to sit and whatever. This dog was the most loyal dog you're ever going to find. He curled up around my mom's feet once in the backyard where she couldn't keep walking. She kept trying to scold him and push him away but he wouldn't let her go. Finally, a few feet ahead of her she saw a big snake slithering across the yard.

This dog was aggressive too, in a way that if we weren't in the backyard with whoever was back there, you'd better not go back there. But if we're in the backyard all the neighborhood kids could come back and never have to worry about the dog. In fact, we had a game we all used to play with him where he'd grab the tennis ball and we all chased him down to try and get it. Anyone who caught him could reach right into his mouth and work the ball out. Then they'd throw the ball, the dog would haul ass after it and we'd start chasing him again. Never bit anyone.

But if one of those kids tried to go back there when we weren't around, he wasn't going to let you do it.

He did like to carry cats around in his mouth though, until my dad whacked him with a golf club once. I don't know if he ever tasted another cat after that.

So anyway, that was over 30 years ago, so I don't know where the perception of them not being good family pets 20 years ago is coming from.
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That is typical of what my experience has been with German Shepard dogs. Also they are I think the most widely chosen to be "Seeing eye" dogs, cadaver sniffing dogs, drug dogs, police dogs and other trained human assistance dogs. You don't see pit bulls being trained to do all that.

To my knowledge Shepards have always been known for their intelligence, loyalty and gentleness with the exception those being trained guard/security dogs and even those show those traits to their owners and family.

I've never heard of a Shepard going ape after years of being a faithful pet and attacking its owner as you hear all the time about Pits.

FWIW, Falcons are to have a press conference today at around 4 pm I think . I hope there'll be an announcement that Vick is to be released and some info about what they will do to replace him.

The Falcons have called a 4 p.m. Tuesday afternoon press conference to elaborate on the issue. The video of this press conference will be carried LIVE on Atlantafalcons.com.
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Red_Zone said:
That is typical of what my experience has been with German Shepard dogs. Also they are I think the most widely chosen to be "Seeing eye" dogs, cadaver sniffing dogs, drug dogs, police dogs and other trained human assistance dogs. You don't see pit bulls being trained to do all that.

To my knowledge Shepards have always been known for their intelligence, loyalty and gentleness with the exception those being trained guard/security dogs and even those show those traits to their owners and family.

I've never heard of a Shepard going ape after years of being a faithful pet and attacking its owner as you hear all the time about Pits.

FWIW, Falcons are to have a press conference today at around 4 pm I think . I hope there'll be an announcement that Vick is to be released and some info about what they will do to replace him.
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I can't see them releasing him, his guaranteed money would advance against the cap, i don't know exactly how much, but owners almost always hate to have to pay guaranteed money like that.

Secondly, if Blank lets him go, he's gonna see alot of money walk out with him. I think people underestimate how much that guy is still revered in that city.


They'll most likely be either saying that he & the orgaization have agreed to the leave of absence for this season with pay (reports are that he has) or that they are going to suspend him for the season (something akin to what happened to Keyshawn in TB) or said number of games.
 
Koolaid Time said:
OMG Steve DeBerg. He must be over 50.....

Last time I saw him he was doing late night infomercials for the Senior Citizen "Reverse Mortgage" Scam...
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I would love to see Steve DeBerg come out and play again. That would be like seeing Blanda walk out on the field or something. That would be historic (and probably historically bad I admit) Can you imagine a dude drafted in 1977 taking a snap in 2007? That would be unreal.

For a 10th rounder he had quite a run. How long has it been since there was even such a thing as a 10th round draft pick?
 
Red_Zone said:
Signed: PBAA (Pit Bull Apologist Association) Seriously where do you get this stuff, there's no link provided.

Never aggressive toward people?? Tell that to all those dead children and old people attacked by Pit Bulls.
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Ooooops... my bad. Read away Red:

THE REAL PIT BULL

PS... I am not particularly fond of Pits, I am more of an English Springer Spaniel guy....
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Mr teX said:
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I can't see them releasing him, his guaranteed money would advance against the cap, i don't know exactly how much, but owners almost always hate to have to pay guaranteed money like that.
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I think they can pull the non football related issue card and not have to pay him a dime. Like the LB in San Deigo last year that was shot infront of his house. Do not recall the guys name.
 
My point; SD used a claus in the contract that allowed them to cut him with no cap hit and did not have to pay him anything. This would seem to fit this situation.
 
Blazing Arrow said:
I think they can pull the non football related issue card and not have to pay him a dime. Like the LB in San Deigo last year that was shot infront of his house. Do not recall the guys name.
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Maybe, but i don't know if the NFLPA would go for that considering this is his 1st real offense unlike with foley who'd had previous run ins with the po-po.
 
Blazing Arrow said:
My point; SD used a claus in the contract that allowed them to cut him with no cap hit and did not have to pay him anything. This would seem to fit this situation.
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They still had to take a cap hit for his pro-rated signing bonus. They were able to tear up the contract but not the salary cap implications of his signing bonus that had already been paid. If you give a big signing bonus to a scumbag who could be trouble and then he gets in trouble, you have to pay the piper.

In other words, the owner gets to keep his money and in some cases try and get it back in court (see Ricky Williams and Dolphins situation), but the money left from his signing bonuses must get charged off within a 2 year period.

From what Chicken Little err John Clayton said, the Falcons would be hit with $12 million cap hit this season and a $15 million next year for a player that isn't even on the team anymore. Foley just didn't have the largest signing bonus in history like Vick did, so the cap hit was negligible.

The Falcons best bet would be to release Vick, start DJ Shockley to appease the local fans and the African-American fans who think this is all some big conspiracy by 'the man' and then the team would suck and they would have a shot at reuniting Brohm from Louisville with his college coach, Petrino.

fwiw- kudos to Goodell to take a proactive stance and not let Vick report to camp. Vick gave up his league membership when he started hanging out with felons and dog murderers....ultimately becoming one himself.
 
Either way, the falcons will be a better team without Vick. In Petrino's offense, Harrington might be the better fit. I think the offense will be more successful with a pocket passer rather than a Vick. Having Schaub would've made the falcons a definite playoff threat.

Sorry for the random thought. I didn't want to start a new thread.:shades:
 
Second Honeymoon said:
They still had to take a cap hit for his pro-rated signing bonus. They were able to tear up the contract but not the salary cap implications of his signing bonus that had already been paid. If you give a big signing bonus to a scumbag who could be trouble and then he gets in trouble, you have to pay the piper.

In other words, the owner gets to keep his money and in some cases try and get it back in court (see Ricky Williams and Dolphins situation), but the money left from his signing bonuses must get charged off within a 2 year period.

From what Chicken Little err John Clayton said, the Falcons would be hit with $12 million cap hit this season and a $15 million next year for a player that isn't even on the team anymore. Foley just didn't have the largest signing bonus in history like Vick did, so the cap hit was negligible.

The Falcons best bet would be to release Vick, start DJ Shockley to appease the local fans and the African-American fans who think this is all some big conspiracy by 'the man' and then the team would suck and they would have a shot at reuniting Brohm from Louisville with his college coach, Petrino.

fwiw- kudos to Goodell to take a proactive stance and not let Vick report to camp. Vick gave up his league membership when he started hanging out with felons and dog murderers....ultimately becoming one himself.
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The team was gonna suck regardless, but you & both know it's not a guarantee that they would be able to get brohm. I think at this point, shockley deserves a shot just by virtue of already being there.
 
vick will still play. If they could have suspended him, they would have already. Goodell has been going over the union contract with a fine tooth comb, and they can't suspend him. The falcons could, but won't destroy their season and ticket sales. Its a business. I expect the falcons to give vick time, and DUE PROCESS, and then he will play out the season while awaiting his not guilty verdict. If purge-crazy goodell could have axed vick, he would have, ergo he won't.
 
swtbound07 said:
vick will still play. If they could have suspended him, they would have already. Goodell has been going over the union contract with a fine tooth comb, and they can't suspend him. The falcons could, but won't destroy their season and ticket sales. Its a business. I expect the falcons to give vick time, and DUE PROCESS, and then he will play out the season while awaiting his not guilty verdict. If purge-crazy goodell could have axed vick, he would have, ergo he won't.
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I don't think he plays this year at all after reading the 18 page indictment. Vick is done. He may be done forever.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
They still had to take a cap hit for his pro-rated signing bonus. They were able to tear up the contract but not the salary cap implications of his signing bonus that had already been paid. If you give a big signing bonus to a scumbag who could be trouble and then he gets in trouble, you have to pay the piper.

In other words, the owner gets to keep his money and in some cases try and get it back in court (see Ricky Williams and Dolphins situation), but the money left from his signing bonuses must get charged off within a 2 year period.

From what Chicken Little err John Clayton said, the Falcons would be hit with $12 million cap hit this season and a $15 million next year for a player that isn't even on the team anymore. Foley just didn't have the largest signing bonus in history like Vick did, so the cap hit was negligible.

The Falcons best bet would be to release Vick, start DJ Shockley to appease the local fans and the African-American fans who think this is all some big conspiracy by 'the man' and then the team would suck and they would have a shot at reuniting Brohm from Louisville with his college coach, Petrino.

fwiw- kudos to Goodell to take a proactive stance and not let Vick report to camp. Vick gave up his league membership when he started hanging out with felons and dog murderers....ultimately becoming one himself.
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What about the Freeny situation in Indi? I know they were trying to pull the same thing on him for his knee injury. He was not to deap into that contract and the Colts definatly cannot afford to let money like that sit on a player they do not have.
 
Blazing Arrow said:
What about the Freeny situation in Indi? I know they were trying to pull the same thing on him for his knee injury. He was not to deap into that contract and the Colts definatly cannot afford to let money like that sit on a player they do not have.
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The Colts just resigned Freeney.
 
Vick will be sitting this season out. And the players union won't be able to do a thing about it. Besides everyone knows that Upshaw is in the Owners back pocket anyway.. The NFLPA is a joke and has no real power like MLB's PA has...
 
swtbound07 said:
vick will still play. If they could have suspended him, they would have already. Goodell has been going over the union contract with a fine tooth comb, and they can't suspend him. The falcons could, but won't destroy their season and ticket sales. Its a business. I expect the falcons to give vick time, and DUE PROCESS, and then he will play out the season while awaiting his not guilty verdict. If purge-crazy goodell could have axed vick, he would have, ergo he won't.
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It must be nice to live in your fantasy world. I predict Vick will never play another down in the NFL again. Maybe the CFL would take him, but I doubt it. No team is going to want the stench that is Mick Vick following the team. Besides that, he will be in prison. Maybe he will star in the new production of the Longest Yard. :devilpig:
 
Porky said:
It must be nice to live in your fantasy world. I predict Vick will never play another down in the NFL again. Maybe the CFL would take him, but I doubt it. No team is going to want the stench that is Mick Vick following the team. Besides that, he will be in prison. Maybe he will star in the new production of the Longest Yard. :devilpig:
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if he could suspend vick, why isn't vick already suspended. He hasn't failed to swiftly deal justice in other instances. Answer me that.
 
swtbound07 said:
if he could suspend vick, why isn't vick already suspended. He hasn't failed to swiftly deal justice in other instances. Answer me that.
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first time offender...but he isn't convicted yet. If you read the Commish's statement he clearly states that he is reviewing the case and that he doesn't have to be convicted to get tossed from the league if it violates the personal conduct policy. Your microwave attention span wants instant results....some things need to be looked at closely so you don't rush out and make knee-jerk decisions. I'd think this is one of them.
 
"MANY" VIEW VICK AS DONE

A source who holds a fairly high-level position with one of the 32 NFL franchises tells us that "many" folks in the league think that Michael Vick will never play again in the NFL.

We've suspected that, even if Vick is acquitted of all pending federal charges and possible state charges, he likely won't find a home with another NFL team. For starters, he's simply not that good of a passer. And once his legs start to go, he'll be just another guy. When you match those skills with the fact that any team that signs him will instantly be targeted for protests and harassment, we can't imagine anyone touching him.

Not even that widely-regard haven for miscreants situated on the eastern rim of the San Francisco Bay.

If Vick is convicted after a public trial involving detailed testimony of dog fights and canine killings, he won't be back, either.

We still believe that his only hope is to strike a deal now, do his time, throw himself at the mercy of the fans and the league, and hope for redemption. I mean, if Marv Albert can return to the top of the broadcasting food chain, Vick should at least get a crack at playing pro ball again once he wraps up his tenure with the Mean Machine.

Even then, however, we're not sure that he'd find any takers. The allegations against Vick are probably too unusual and too heinous to allow him to ever be regarded as a guy on which an NFL franchise can justify taking a risk.

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swtbound07 said:
if he could suspend vick, why isn't vick already suspended. He hasn't failed to swiftly deal justice in other instances. Answer me that.
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He may not be suspended, but he has been told to not report to camp. I am sorry your gambling habit is going to take a hit because your boyyyyy will not be playing this year.
 
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