Ego?
Why should he give up free money?
You better start shopping around the team for a new whippin boy, Carrs gone, Now all the cry-babies are gonna have to find someone else to whine about.
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Carr and Domanick Williams Released
- Thread starter The Dude Abides
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Ego?
Why should he give up free money?
You better start shopping around the team for a new whippin boy, Carrs gone, Now all the cry-babies are gonna have to find someone else to whine about.
How about Carr's gone, now the Texans will finaly start winning?
Who will you support now? Chd Stanley?
hadaad
Rookie
Wow. You hope he blows out a knee? Sounds like you like him.
If the Texans play head up against a team Carr's starting for, I hope the Texans win.
Bullpen Drew
Rookie
Holy Cow!
Carr is worthless....can you say clipboard holder?
as far as Dominack Davis Williams Jones or whatever he goes by, he is damaged goods.
Carr is worthless....can you say clipboard holder?
as far as Dominack Davis Williams Jones or whatever he goes by, he is damaged goods.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Yeah, so much no one has offered Mike Vick's water bottle for him.
What should be making you nauseous is the complete lack of logic in your posts. So he is crappy, but the Texans should have gotten something for him?--gotcha.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
I cannot wait for the day that grown men stop calling other grown men cry babies over criticizing a positional player who never lived up to his contract. The FO, staff and owner have indeed admitted Carr's extenstion was a mistake, thereby justifying the criticism (albeit on a professional level).
michaelm
vox nihili
I deleted everything in your quote after this statement, because anything you said after this sensationalist crap has zero credibility...
Worst move in franchise history? Not gaining a 5th rounder for David Carr?
People (you) need a serious reality check.
michaelm
vox nihili
You say you can't wait, KT, I say don't wait... because it will never happen.
Janus3
Waterboy
uh when did i say i'd cheer against the texans simpleton? i said i'd root for carr and hope he shoves it down the texans throat.
I don't know if Carr was overvalued by the Texans(in negotiations AND *&^%&*& contract) but I DO know the Texans handled this in a very stupid fashion. They could've done much better and this has me worried. I don't care that DW is gone, that writing's been on the wall for almost a year, but the team could've handled things differently and gotten something for Carr. Anything. Cash. Good thing we saved all that money giving draft position/picks to ATL.
Janus3
Waterboy
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Thats really nice .
You're more concerned with the nay sayers than the team .
What if that loss kept the Texans out of the playoffs ?
Vinny
shiny happy fan
I think I interpreted this right. You would rather see Carr win than the Texans. That Sir, is no die hard fan.
Sheesh, rough crowd.
This is a messageboard people, not the UN.
This move happened 5 minutes ago in my mind, and I'm still very upset about it.
Heres my explanation:
Carr has been terrible as a Texan. Almost eveeryone on this messageboard can agree to that. And almost all of those people, as well as many in the NFL, agree that this is because he is shell shocked from his:
A) Originally poor offensive line
B) Poor coaching
C) Whatever else
Other NFL teams have ROUTINELY PROVEN that you can trade crappy players who have done ALMOST NOTHING (and definitely less than Carr) for at least SOME compensation.
Harrington for a 6th
Buchannon for a 2nd
Im sure there are many more, and if someone actually calls me out on this, i will do the research
So my point is, no matter how crappy Carr has been throughout our entire history, many in the league, and many of his biggest critics HERE all still believe that he needs a change of scenery and he MAY be succesful. (May=POTENTIAL, a seemingly code hot word in the NFL)
As a result, I am SHOCKED that we didn't at least get a conditional pick, or late round draft choice next year, or SOMETHING for him.
So Carr sucked and I'm sad we didnt get something for him. Thats not illogical if you follow the NFL.
Secondly, yes its clear that this isnt the worst move in franchisse history. But if you read the rest, I meant that the whole Carr era is the worst thing in franchise history. And even that was an exaggeration based on my frustration with this whole issue.
Again, this is a messageboard.
HERE HERE!!!!
Janus3
Waterboy
nah, sorry, you didn't. contrary what you seem to believe, you can indeed "shove it down someone's throat" and still lose. just a heads up guy.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
You have to understand value and that it takes a buyer. If the buyer does not see value in assuming the contract then you have a release. The word has been out for a while that we were entertaining offers. The contract haunted us in the past and it haunted Carr in finding a suitor at his current base. We had no leverage due to the past contractual transgressions of Casserly and Ferens.
uhcougar08
SHSUKATS08
Thanks alot Mr. Negativity. I know everyone is entitled to their opinion on here, but it would be best if you just keep yours to yourself, and stop complaining. Just because the FO does not do what you want them to do, does not mean that they are wrong. Sit back, relax, and maybe, just maybe, watch as a real team is built. I bet you will complain because we are taking too long to build one. You people amaze me. Nothing satisfies you guys.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Well, I know you are a Carr fan now. You think that looking good and losing is "shoving it down our throat". Classic stuff and par for the Carr course.
TwinSisters
Veteran
Save your money. I already have one and it doesn't work.
Janus3
Waterboy
lol, wow, i've seen some pretty retarded stuff posted on this board, but wow, i'll just leave it at that. quit while you're behind guy.
michaelm
vox nihili
Instead of replying to everything you said, I thought it would be easier if I just kept the only thing you said that I agree with...
Sorry, it was a joke I couldn't resist..!
Vinny
shiny happy fan
I always figured "shoving it down someone's throat" was like when Vince Young hammered the Texans in OT. If he loses that game he doesn't shove jack.....This is a league where you don't give a medal to everyone for participation. Winning is more important to me...so I assumed you meant that Carr getting revenge had something to do with beating us. My apologies for the ridiculous assumption.
uhcougar08
SHSUKATS08
Who do you know in the league that would back up your opinion? For all we know, everyone in the league thinks DC is the problem, and not the O-line.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Well ... if Carr leads his team to 34 points but we have 35 .... then I guess it's OK .
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
I was a Carr fan.
He is now dead to me.
He couldn't even bring us an lousy 7th rounder before he left.
He is now dead to me.
He couldn't even bring us an lousy 7th rounder before he left.
michaelm
vox nihili
I always know who is losing a debate or argument when they play the "retarded" card..
phantom17
Rookie
Man, just got home from toys-r-us and to find out DC & DW got released, no big surprise here, but a little dissapointed that we got nuthin' for DC! All the other GMs knew the Texans FO are really BAD poker players & didn't bite. I think we're the only team that gets zilch, now other teams who needs a QB will go after DC. 
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
I just heard Michael Smith talking about this thing on Sportscenter. He talked like Rick Smith would have kept shopping Carr until the market improved. Said we were trying to get a 3rd for him.
He said that it was McNair's decision to release Carr at this point and give him a chance to make his own deal somewhere else.
Take it FWIW.
He said that it was McNair's decision to release Carr at this point and give him a chance to make his own deal somewhere else.
Take it FWIW.
I understand exactly what you're saying there, and no, we don't know any details of any talks with other teams.
Making drive-by postings, telling other posters to shut up and keep opinions to thereselves is a rather immature thing to do. This is a family oriented message board, so that's the extent of my retort to that particular comment. Sit back, relax and learn a little tolerance. You're gonna get high blood pressure. I've been waiting 5 long years to see a real team built, just like the rest of the fans on this MB. No, I'm NOT happy with the way the Carr Saga has played out the last year. I'll be satisfied when I see a coherent strategy formulated and executed that will build a winning team in Houston. Right now, I see massive salary cap hemorraging, mediocre FA signings, and draft position/picks traded away on an unproven commodity. Schaub may end up being the greatest thing since Earl Campbell, but as of this moment, he's not a proven NFL QB. Potential and talent don't always translate to success. See also David Carr and Ryan Leaf.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
Thats funny. You have to make it to 30 before making it to 34. Something Carr does not do to often.
dirty steve
Veteran
worse than:
-trading a collective 5 first day picks + a 4th for Jason Babin, Philip Buchanon, and Tony Hollings.
-Todd Wade's contract
-drafting Dave Ragone in the 3rd round in 2003 and never promoting him to at least the #2 QB.
-trading out of a position to take future Pro Bowler Jammal Brown plus Derrick Johnson in 2005 to get a defensive tackle who might not have even fit the defensive scheme at the time.
-Extending Carr for THREE years last year.
-never finding a legit #2 WR until last year.
-making Victor Riley the starting LT in 2005.
...i didn't even count the Gary walker extension and the ridiculous $$$ for Robaire Smith and Morlon Greenwood.
you cant get return for a possession that has absolutely no value. i dont fault the Texans for cleanly slicing Carr from the ranks.
-trading a collective 5 first day picks + a 4th for Jason Babin, Philip Buchanon, and Tony Hollings.
-Todd Wade's contract
-drafting Dave Ragone in the 3rd round in 2003 and never promoting him to at least the #2 QB.
-trading out of a position to take future Pro Bowler Jammal Brown plus Derrick Johnson in 2005 to get a defensive tackle who might not have even fit the defensive scheme at the time.
-Extending Carr for THREE years last year.
-never finding a legit #2 WR until last year.
-making Victor Riley the starting LT in 2005.
...i didn't even count the Gary walker extension and the ridiculous $$$ for Robaire Smith and Morlon Greenwood.
you cant get return for a possession that has absolutely no value. i dont fault the Texans for cleanly slicing Carr from the ranks.
Saw that same thing. He said McNair didn't want to hold Carr hostage because of the respect and closeness of the two.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
I think Ol' Bob needs to stop getting so chummy with the workers .
He could never work at the glue factory .
Well there you have it. The owner getting in the way of the GM being more effective in his job. So now we can place blame where it belongs. Owner relationship to his prodigy QB over the interest of Smith getting dsecent compensation to improve the team.
Hey its his money, but he doesn't gain the team any fans by cutting Carr so many breaks and favors over the best interest of the team.
I hope it is obvious at this point that some of the bad decisions planted on Kubiak and Smith are clearly the fault of McNair and not them.
The contract extension to me is clearly a demand of McNair and not Kubiak, as a condition of employment. The lack of good compensation is not Smith's call since he was hamstrung against it.
And we thought Al Davis and Jerry Jones and top team meddlers. At least Carr is gone now so that thorn in the team's side can't keep being leveraged against them from compassionate owners too close to their players.
The contract extension to me is clearly a demand of McNair and not Kubiak, as a condition of employment. The lack of good compensation is not Smith's call since he was hamstrung against it.
And we thought Al Davis and Jerry Jones and top team meddlers. At least Carr is gone now so that thorn in the team's side can't keep being leveraged against them from compassionate owners too close to their players.
michaelm
vox nihili
You would've saved a whole lot of time typing if you replaced this entire paragraph with the word...
Integrity
It was made crystal clear last year that Carr was extended because Kubes thought he could turn him around. Maybe it was just kissing up to the bosses golden boy, but it was still Kubiak's call.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
then you are not a texans fan....you are a Carr fan
if you want Carr to come back and beat the Texans you are a Carr fan..what a tool
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
nice 4 post history.....the only people crying today are all the Carr homers. they are practically having a candlelight vigil singing Kumbaya around a fire
It was a classy move.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
learn to support a team not a player that isnt even on your team
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
well he sure didnt do us any favors due to him not showing willingness to restructure his contract. At least harrington did that for the Lions...
i guess Carr conveniently forgot to read the passages about 'greed' in The Bible....how typical and hardly surprising
and to all the monday morning QBs, stop with the poker analogies...the Texans FO found out that no one wanted Carr with his current contract...few teams want him at all...he refused to renegotiate the deal to allow a possible trade....once they were told he wouldnt renegotiate, it was best to move on and McNair let Carr off the hook early as a final goodwill gesture...the fact that no one wanted to trade for Carr had NOTHING to do with us having too much at QB or us 'showing our hand'. If anything, taking Schaub off the market only increased Carr's potential value. the writing was on the wall for those who werent too blind to read it...
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
It might have been a classy move, and even something to prove to incoming players that the Texans are a good organization to play for....
but...
I do worry that the Texans put themselves in a competitive disadvantage sometimes by being too niiiiice.
That other teams will take advantage of us chumps because they know we will do the honorable thing.
It is not as though the Texans hadn't already paid Carr very handsomely over the years. And it isn't like Carr was going to renegotiate his contract, even though he is likely as a released player going to make less than he was making for the Texans.
Sigh.
(This all assumes that the deal went down this way).
Hervoyel
BUENO!
It was a stupid move and a sign that the ownership here is miles behind it's competition in other cities regardless of how "classy" Bob is. As long as Bob is worried about looking like the classiest owner in the bunch and giving away players to do it the Texans are going to continue to look like chumps and be routinely taken advantage of by smarter GM's and owners.
Bob's a nice guy but he bought a franchise in a league full of sharks. They'll finish eating him up in no time at all at this rate.
Carr's gone.....who can we hate on now?
Well, if we lose the first pre-season game, I'm sure it will be Schaub.
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
I thought that "we" is Miami now.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
Don't forget about agents......