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Texans Close the Deal for Schaub: confirmed by NFLNetwork
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HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
The announcer for the Falcons is about to be on 610
Anyways, we still have a chance to drop down and get a Nelson and picks and to get picks for Carr. It isn't like we are just giving up a boatload here. I'm amazed that I'm already seeing people wishing Schaub to fail and that the deal is a waste. Again, I think it always comes back to one person. Is there a compound in California?
Anyways, we still have a chance to drop down and get a Nelson and picks and to get picks for Carr. It isn't like we are just giving up a boatload here. I'm amazed that I'm already seeing people wishing Schaub to fail and that the deal is a waste. Again, I think it always comes back to one person. Is there a compound in California?
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
Sage is backing up Schaub. Carr will be playing in beautiful Oakland soon. News at 11.
ThaShark316
#28
Wow, look at the size of that mountain.
bwahahahahahahhaahaha!
Exithios
Waterboy
Malloy
Hall of Fame
yay...you're in shape...and so you can memorize a playbook, throw a football 60 yards, can avoid a 260 pound guy going full speed at you, etc etc? I guess you can show up at the Texans training camp and end this QB search nonsense, where have you been, Rick and and Gary have been waiting for you...
anyways, back to the thread...
I can get on the ground and cuddle up with the ball ?
Schaub is an upgrade over DC for sure.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
lawl
STEEL BLUE TEXANS
Hall of Fame
alphajoker
Veteran
Ha! That's exactly what I'm doing now.
Señor Stan
El Guapo
Somebody needs to get workin' on a "shoe throwing smilie"
S
SESupergenius
Guest
I actually have no problem with Schaub, he's a decent QB but the media isn't going to like this because it's not VY!
So what does this say about Sage?
So what does this say about Sage?
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
yay...you're in shape...and so you can memorize a playbook, throw a football 60 yards, can avoid a 260 pound guy going full speed at you, etc etc? I guess you can show up at the Texans training camp and end this QB search nonsense, where have you been, Rick and and Gary have been waiting for you...
anyways, back to the thread...
Lame
I have the upmost respect for any athlete, but a QB that throws only 1 TD pass over his last 10 games........wait for it, here it comes.........can be replaced.
P.S.
The most brutal and most endurance demanding sports are
Boxing and.....
wait for it
wait for it
Swimming.......yeah I said it
I have the upmost respect for competitive swimmers and I'm sure we have a couple on this board
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
the guy was basically quitting as a Texans fan over a trade. he can go fly a kite for all I care....today is a day for optimism not pessimism or personal agendas
eriadoc
Texan-American
I'll bet the over on that.
Malloy
Hall of Fame
I want the record to show that while I am initially not fond of this move (overpaid for Schaub)... I do not want to be lumped in with the nay-sayers who are ready to call this entire season a failure based on this one move.
I go to school at UMiami, and sometimes the people on this board make our fans here at UM seems passable... which is sad, really. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid and declaring the franchise for not. The sun will still come up tomorrow.
I go to school at UMiami, and sometimes the people on this board make our fans here at UM seems passable... which is sad, really. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid and declaring the franchise for not. The sun will still come up tomorrow.
U4ikrob
Guitar Junky
Nod agree w/Jerek
I say No Deal
While Shaub has a little talent, its unproven and the likelihood that Kubiak will stake his 2nd year coaching and give up draft pix on another "project" QB a year after doing it with Carr does not sound appealing to me. While I dont know Kubiak I would think even he would say - its too much to give up on this deal to Smitty .
IMO the most likely scenario here is the Texans are cooking more stuff in the kitchen to see if they get any traders to come circle around the smell so to speak until the draft gets here and teams start spending. IMO the Texans will look to move Carr to anyone for a 3rd if they can get it or at min a fourth so they can trade it to the Bucs and get Plummer paid for. He allready knows the coach and system so coming inlate to camp wont be aprob and they can structure hisdeal to avoid the nasty contract probs before and give Kubes & Co his legit starting QB he wants.
Mark it down - Plummer to the Texans in 07
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
dont forget hockey....
bigbrewster2000
Veteran
So you would rather have a totally unproven guy over a guy with 3 yrs of league experience? whatever man.
edo783
Hall of Fame
I'm fine with this trade. Anything to get better QB play is something I'm all for. Seems a bit expensive, but we should (hopefully) recoupe at least the value of the 08 second and probably more when/if we trade Carr. If we wind up at a net of swaping 1st and one second.....not a bad deal IMO.
On another note...do we think Landry will be available at 10? If not...whom?
On another note...do we think Landry will be available at 10? If not...whom?
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
That ship has sailed.
S
SESupergenius
Guest
This girl just wants to yap his trap and about how all the woes of the Texans belong on #8. I've said all along that Sage wasn't the answer, and the Texans front office agrees apparently. Take that girlfriend.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
Hey, your visit to the Houston Texans message board can be considered a 'quickie' !
lawl
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
If the deal falls through I've been saying this for weeks. Depends on this deal. But I think the whole retirement was based on not coming here and we didn't want to give up a 4th for him.
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
Schaub won't make the team any worse.
Will he make it better?? Who knows.
Is he broken like Carr?? No, and that makes a big difference.
As much as anything else, I think the important question is... Will the other players believe in Schaub more than they did with Carr?? Confidence goes along way.
TheManTheMyth
Practice Squad
Well you know that peterson is going to fall to the 8th pick now right, hell maybe even joe thomas or russell. That is just the way things usually work. it has to happen now so that even more people can have something to whine about.
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
Carr's out. Get over it. Namecalling won't get him back for you.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
I like hockey, but being from texas this state denies it. I wanted to play hockey more than football, but once I got to high school there was no team. There are no real hockey leagues in houston.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
translation: my peepee hurts.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Levi Brown, Laron Landry, Alan Branch, Amobi Okoye .... one of those guys will likely be there at #10 and be worth that pick.
Señor Stan
El Guapo
Sincerely,
We are not really taking Mario Williams we are just trying to force Reggie Bush to sign before the draft.
Specnatz
Hall of Fame
Dont let the door hit you in the butt on the way out. You think it is to high of a price fine, but to criticize a player before you see anything he has done is completely astounding.
Holds school career-records for pass completions (716), attempts (1,069), passing yards (7,502), total offense yards (7,560), touchdown passes (56), 300-yard passing games (8) and 200-yard passing games (20) at Virginia.
Heisman Trophy candidate in 2003 after being selected as the Atlantic Coast Conference Player of the Year in 2002.
Completed 66.98% of his passes during his career, the second-best mark in NCAA Division 1A history topped only by Tim Couch of Kentucky (67.15%, 1996-98).
All-ACC first-team selection, adding ACC Player of the Year and Offensive Player of the Year honors, as a junior after leading the ACC in touchdown passes (28), pass completion percentage (68.9%), completions (288), and attempts (418). Ranked second in the country in completion percentage
His numbers in college were not that bad. He has not had the chance to start and like the Texans, the Falcons have so much invested in Vick they have to give him at least a year under Patrino. People bashing on this just does not make any sense to me.
S
SESupergenius
Guest
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
The Falcons/Ga Tech announcer is on 610 right now and he said Schaub is a good guy and he thought the Falcons were trying to get more....he got me fired up about Calvin Johnson though..lol
I've said this before, and I'll say it again. Any thought of getting anything in a trade for Carr's contract . . . . is delusional at best.
After this deal today for Schaub, which basically announces with a bullhorn to the rest of the league that Carr is finished here . . . someone please tell me how they have any leverage for dealing Carr's contract.
Not gonna happen, IMO. If you don't prepare yourself for Carr's release, it's your own fault.
El Amigo Invisible
Rookie
Where are the Carr haters? You finally got what you wanted.We pass on Vince for Car.Now, We are giving up on Carr and going after Matty.How did it come to this?
GP
Go Texans!
HOly crapola. It took me 25 minutes to read all the posts and catch up with everything. Had "Server Busy" about 10 times because the board's getting flooded.
Talk about exciting! I knew this day was coming. I was out in front, with some others, hoping that we would get Schaub.
I had taken verbal "beat downs" from several people saying that I have no proof that Schaub is the QB I think he is.
I'm in the same boat as Porky on this: I have watched Schaub play, albeit in the preseason, but I can say that he looked commanding in all phases of the game--He has the zip that Carr has (I don't buy the "He doesn't have a big league arm" stuff), he actually goes through his progressions very naturally and seems to know where the open man will be, and his mechanics are a lot better than Carr's.
To get an NFL-ready QB via swapping TWO spots in the first round, keeping us at a Top 10 draft pick status, and then losing a 2nd rounder is not bad. We were going to draft Kolb or Stanton and those guys would be gone by round 3...so we would have spent a 2nd round pick on a college QB who would need the 2-3 years that Schaub has already served in order to learn the ropes.
We will trade Carr and get some sort of pick for him. Even if it's a 4th rounder...that's still a "pick," and remember that we picked up Charles Spencer in the 3rd--I think this FO can now draft in rounds 1-5 and deserve our confidence based on last year's successes.
This was the SMART deal. Garcia had a fluke season. Plummer is on the downhill side of his career and only cares about himself to the point of sulking and "reitiring" because he didn't get to go where he wanted--That's a guy that you don't want leading your huddle, OK? Ramsey is the love child of Jay Fiedler and Heath Schuler.
Schaub, as did Tom Brady, has waited for his turn to start. Schaub, as did Tom Brady, has had to wait patiently behind overrated starters that stood on their paths to starterdom.
This gets the monkey (Carr and his baggage) off the Texans' back, and it gives the team a new identity and a fresh start. There was no way AJ was going to be a happy camper going into camp with DC at the controls. Ditto for Dunta. Ditto for the other guys who have been patient for the past 3 seasons or so. It was imperative that we moved DC and then to also acquire an NFL-ready QB to go into camp with.
Atlanta, IIRC, transitioned to a WCO and asked Vick to become the pocket passer. He did well for a few games, then he had to go "highlight reel" about midway through the season. Schaub; therefore, is already a little accustomed to the WCO. He showed, to me, that he can sit in the pocket and make fairly good "reads" and go through progressions with efficiency and effectiveness.
We don't have a lot of "real" NFL games to go by when it comes to judging Schaub. What we DO have to go on is this: We passed on Garcia, Plummer, and Ramsey when that whole circus began a few weeks ago--Our FO was patient, dropping out of the "arms race" as quickly as we had entered it. I speculated that we were dropping out because we wanted Schaub, and I speculated that we hadn't heard anything because the FO was in hyper-secretive and ultra-stealth mode trying to get the details worked out. I predicted a 3-way trade between Houston-Oakland-Tampa Bay whereby Carr would go to Oakland. I was off by one team (Tampa Bay)...and it appears that Atlanta and Oakland MIGHT be in the mix for Moss/Carr. That remains to be seen, though.
All I know is this: The price is definitely "right" to me, and if we can get Leach-Green-Dayne on the field this season, with Schaub at QB and AJ-Walter-Daniels-Mathis catching the ball, then we ought to be very excited about our offseason because we haven't even drafted with our Top 10 pick yet! We can grab a fairly good RB or WR or OT or DB and come out smelling pretty fancy for a change.
The FO just got ballsy, folks. I railed against the non-ballsiness of this FO, and now they have come through!
Great job, Rick.
Now if we can just ask people to be respectful of the Carr family I'd be even happier. They are headed into a new chapter in their lives, and they handled their tenure here pretty well when you consider what David had to go through and what we had to go through. It'd be nice if people would remain civil about this whole thing.
Talk about exciting! I knew this day was coming. I was out in front, with some others, hoping that we would get Schaub.
I had taken verbal "beat downs" from several people saying that I have no proof that Schaub is the QB I think he is.
I'm in the same boat as Porky on this: I have watched Schaub play, albeit in the preseason, but I can say that he looked commanding in all phases of the game--He has the zip that Carr has (I don't buy the "He doesn't have a big league arm" stuff), he actually goes through his progressions very naturally and seems to know where the open man will be, and his mechanics are a lot better than Carr's.
To get an NFL-ready QB via swapping TWO spots in the first round, keeping us at a Top 10 draft pick status, and then losing a 2nd rounder is not bad. We were going to draft Kolb or Stanton and those guys would be gone by round 3...so we would have spent a 2nd round pick on a college QB who would need the 2-3 years that Schaub has already served in order to learn the ropes.
We will trade Carr and get some sort of pick for him. Even if it's a 4th rounder...that's still a "pick," and remember that we picked up Charles Spencer in the 3rd--I think this FO can now draft in rounds 1-5 and deserve our confidence based on last year's successes.
This was the SMART deal. Garcia had a fluke season. Plummer is on the downhill side of his career and only cares about himself to the point of sulking and "reitiring" because he didn't get to go where he wanted--That's a guy that you don't want leading your huddle, OK? Ramsey is the love child of Jay Fiedler and Heath Schuler.
Schaub, as did Tom Brady, has waited for his turn to start. Schaub, as did Tom Brady, has had to wait patiently behind overrated starters that stood on their paths to starterdom.
This gets the monkey (Carr and his baggage) off the Texans' back, and it gives the team a new identity and a fresh start. There was no way AJ was going to be a happy camper going into camp with DC at the controls. Ditto for Dunta. Ditto for the other guys who have been patient for the past 3 seasons or so. It was imperative that we moved DC and then to also acquire an NFL-ready QB to go into camp with.
Atlanta, IIRC, transitioned to a WCO and asked Vick to become the pocket passer. He did well for a few games, then he had to go "highlight reel" about midway through the season. Schaub; therefore, is already a little accustomed to the WCO. He showed, to me, that he can sit in the pocket and make fairly good "reads" and go through progressions with efficiency and effectiveness.
We don't have a lot of "real" NFL games to go by when it comes to judging Schaub. What we DO have to go on is this: We passed on Garcia, Plummer, and Ramsey when that whole circus began a few weeks ago--Our FO was patient, dropping out of the "arms race" as quickly as we had entered it. I speculated that we were dropping out because we wanted Schaub, and I speculated that we hadn't heard anything because the FO was in hyper-secretive and ultra-stealth mode trying to get the details worked out. I predicted a 3-way trade between Houston-Oakland-Tampa Bay whereby Carr would go to Oakland. I was off by one team (Tampa Bay)...and it appears that Atlanta and Oakland MIGHT be in the mix for Moss/Carr. That remains to be seen, though.
All I know is this: The price is definitely "right" to me, and if we can get Leach-Green-Dayne on the field this season, with Schaub at QB and AJ-Walter-Daniels-Mathis catching the ball, then we ought to be very excited about our offseason because we haven't even drafted with our Top 10 pick yet! We can grab a fairly good RB or WR or OT or DB and come out smelling pretty fancy for a change.
The FO just got ballsy, folks. I railed against the non-ballsiness of this FO, and now they have come through!
Great job, Rick.
Now if we can just ask people to be respectful of the Carr family I'd be even happier. They are headed into a new chapter in their lives, and they handled their tenure here pretty well when you consider what David had to go through and what we had to go through. It'd be nice if people would remain civil about this whole thing.
michaelm
vox nihili
OK, so let's get down to the nuts and bolts of the sitcheation (situation for the spell check police)...
What's Schaub's deep ball like?
Can he get the ball behind the LB's and in front of the secondary?
How's his pocket presence?
Does he lock onto his primary receiver?
Does anyone consider him a "pretty boy"? I hope not, because that has always been one of the best criticisms of Carr... <sarcasm>
These are some of the questions I'd like to see answered... except the hair thing, which again, was sarcasm...
What's Schaub's deep ball like?
Can he get the ball behind the LB's and in front of the secondary?
How's his pocket presence?
Does he lock onto his primary receiver?
Does anyone consider him a "pretty boy"? I hope not, because that has always been one of the best criticisms of Carr... <sarcasm>
These are some of the questions I'd like to see answered... except the hair thing, which again, was sarcasm...
Brandyon
Practice Squad
3 years league experience, but what kind of experience does he have? If you mean 3 years under Vick and Mora, then yes, I would definately prefer a clean slate, and save 2 first day picks.
dirty steve
Veteran
i heard the same thing, he sounded a bit disappointed at the haul, even when vandermeer told him it was a two next year and not a 4th rounder.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
An upgrade at QB results in less wins. Gotcha.
MATRIX
Waterboy
610 Am on the Jim Rome Show reports:
The deal would send Schaub to Houston for an exchange of picks in RD1 and our 2nd RD pick.
Also i was mentioned a deal with Oakland to get us yet another pick in the 1st. Rome said that would be a great deal. Seeing Carr has not lived up to top billing. Further, we would loose a 2nd RD pick but get another 1st. However, not one word on HOW they planned to get that extra 1st.
I don't want to rain on this, as the guy looks great when he has played. But, if we do it, and don't get back another 1st. Is it really worth it?
No, Carr isn't great by any stretch, but to trade all that for Schaub that Kubes can mold...and not get back a pick. Seems alittle much to me.
Now, IF we can trade whatever(I think Carr) to Oakland, and move back into the 1st or even get a 2nd back...PULL THE TRIGGER.
The deal would send Schaub to Houston for an exchange of picks in RD1 and our 2nd RD pick.
Also i was mentioned a deal with Oakland to get us yet another pick in the 1st. Rome said that would be a great deal. Seeing Carr has not lived up to top billing. Further, we would loose a 2nd RD pick but get another 1st. However, not one word on HOW they planned to get that extra 1st.
I don't want to rain on this, as the guy looks great when he has played. But, if we do it, and don't get back another 1st. Is it really worth it?
No, Carr isn't great by any stretch, but to trade all that for Schaub that Kubes can mold...and not get back a pick. Seems alittle much to me.
Now, IF we can trade whatever(I think Carr) to Oakland, and move back into the 1st or even get a 2nd back...PULL THE TRIGGER.
S
SESupergenius
Guest
It might be a bad trade when:
The other teams' forum is happy about it and makes quotes such as "Looks like Mckay cheated on his wife, is now openly bi-sexual.... after he bent over the Houston franchise"
Oh, and we just lost the Landry pick on the draft.
The other teams' forum is happy about it and makes quotes such as "Looks like Mckay cheated on his wife, is now openly bi-sexual.... after he bent over the Houston franchise"
Oh, and we just lost the Landry pick on the draft.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
i am sorry. I forgot that you live in El Paso, let me explain. see there is this thing called a radio. it runs on this thing that we like to call electricity. It's kinda like the wheel or fire but a little more advanced......oh never mind....
Brandyon
Practice Squad
that i wouldnt freak out about nearly as much as the second rounder for 2 years crap