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QB75 said:
VY didn't come into Reliant and prove anything. Re ran for a TD. The Titans won a game. "what Sherman did to the South...". not quite.:bubble:
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Young probably proved more in one game than our QB has proven in five seasons. We're still trying to get a good evaluation on our guy, though, so stay tuned for details. :ok:
 
QB75 said:
VY didn't come into Reliant and prove anything. Re ran for a TD. The Titans won a game. "what Sherman did to the South...". not quite.:bubble:
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Sherman's march to the sea broke the South's back .... he basically kicked their ass and made them like it . Kinda like after Young scored ... Vince proclaimed this was his house .

The Titan game had McNair trying to justify keeping you know who .... remember the 6 coach phrase .

It was known that Vince told his team he really wanted this game . Carr knew this ... oh wait is'nt this the 52 second whatever you want to do Coach game .

So everybody who has interest in the Texans got slapped that day . Tell me what happened the next week . How did we respond ?

Deflate the ball win games ... starting over .

Destruction ... humiliation ... rebuild ... prosper . I think we're rebuilding now ... we can move forward .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Sherman's march to the sea broke the South's back .... he basically kicked their ass and made them like it . Kinda like after Young scored ... Vince proclaimed this was his house .

The Titan game had McNair trying to justify keeping you know who .... remember the 6 coach phrase .

It was known that Vince told his team he really wanted this game . Carr knew this ... oh wait is'nt this the 52 second whatever you want to do Coach game .

So everybody who has interest in the Texans got slapped that day . Tell me what happened the next week . How did we respond ?

Deflate the ball win games ... starting over .

Destruction ... humiliation ... rebuild ... prosper . I think we're rebuilding now ... we can move forward .
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"His house"... yeah sure. I guess that neither Vince nor some Texans fans will ever get over the fact that he is unlikely to ever be a Texan. :highfive: No everyone however.
 
QB75 said:
"His house"... yeah sure. I guess that neither Vince nor some Texans fans will ever get over the fact that he is unlikely to ever be a Texan. :highfive: No everyone however.
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Well as Jim Rome would say ... Vince has scoreboard .

Oh and for the record most Texan fans would have taken Leinart or Cutler also .
 
TwinSisters said:
ahh... a gambler. How long do you have to fly Young's pic?

and if you wanna make another bet, I will bet you Young has a better stat line in 2007 than Carr. Loser gets a David Carr tatoo on his forearm. ( I'll pay either way ).

( although it is not going to cost me anything, because I'll get the tatoo shop to spring the ink for free, in return for the TV coverage. McClain will drop your name for sure... maybe for the next 10 to 20 years too. Heck, you might even get a line in SI and a cameo in Madden. )
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As long as we are throwing free tats around i was wanting a Texan Bull tat. That would make a good segment, a bunch of Texan fans getting inked to support there team.
 
TEXANRED said:
As long as we are throwing free tats around i was wanting a Texan Bull tat. That would make a good segment, a bunch of Texan fans getting inked to support there team.
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man, that wouldn't sell. That's dog bites man.

You have to one up that dude from Chicago that bet his name on a game. If you used the same gimmick with Carr in Houston over Young ( except with tatoos )... that would sell. That's man bites dog.
 
QB75 said:
oh, "for the record"... how would you know? And who cares.
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I care a whole lot that's why I post .

I also talk to a lot of people here and in normal everyday life ... they wanted a change .

Sometimes our time comes and goes and we have no say so in the matter .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Well as Jim Rome would say ... Vince has scoreboard .

Oh and for the record most Texan fans would have taken Leinart or Cutler also .
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Don't forget Brees....... I'd have been fine with Brees, or Garcia even...... two FA QBs we missed out on.
 
thunderkyss said:
Don't forget Brees....... I'd have been fine with Brees, or Garcia even...... two FA QBs we missed out on.
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I agree ... I would have loved to get Brees and Mario .

I like Mario ... I think he was hitting his stride in the Giants game . Then of course his foot went south .
 
Hey Look! Its early March, and of all the things i said that wouldn't happen...hey look, none of them have happened. I realize I have a lot of offseason to weather yet...just worth noting.
 
swtbound07 said:
Hey Look! Its early March, and of all the things i said that wouldn't happen...hey look, none of them have happened. I realize I have a lot of offseason to weather yet...just worth noting.
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Kinda funny how you were spinning your previous comments when the trade rumors started to swirl.... With nothing happening, you start to pound your chest while patting yourself on the back?

If/when your predicitons don't pan out, expect 10 fold coming back at you.

Good luck.
 
swtbound07 said:
Allright, I've kept my mouth shut for quite some time, but its time to put some things out on the table that I happen to know, and dispel some of the common myths on this board. I absolutely refuse to reveal my source, but you can take this stuff or leave it, won't change that im right.

One, for everyone saying that today was the last straw, and David Carr has to go, your wrong twice. For one thing, he should have gone last year, THAT was the last straw.

Two, and let me put this in bold so you can understand this:
David Carr Will Be Allowed to play out the remainder of his contract extension. PERIOD.
You can draw up lists, look at free agents, do whatever you want. Carr will be here until his extension runs out, and its very possible he could get a new contract after that.

even if we WERE looking to acquire a quarterback, it wouldn't be matt schaub. the price will be too high, and frankly he will be the most sought after qb on the market, and we cant pull that.

We won't draft Kevin Kolb. PERIOD. Not even in the 7th. Our scouting department and team have a policy to avoid local players. I can't tell you why, but I can promise you that we aint getting any UH or UT boys. Let it go.

Jake Plummer aint coming to save us. Its not happening. we won't pick up another qb.

Andre, David, and Dunta aren't going to be benched. its not happening.

Mcnair isn't going to publicly apologize. its not happening.
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If they don't draft local players....How did Steve McKinney come on board? He is from Clear Lake:confused:
 
This might be the most alarmist thread I have read on this MB. OK, I admit that I only got through 3 pages of it, but why would the organization leak rumers to a MB guy? Why not the media? Come on man, if you can't site a source I can give it no creditability. Futhermore, why would anyone want to scare an entire city with no proof. Come on swtbound07...your better then this....
 
swtbound07 said:
We won't draft Kevin Kolb. PERIOD. Not even in the 7th. Our scouting department and team have a policy to avoid local players. I can't tell you why, but I can promise you that we aint getting any UH or UT boys. Let it go.
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Just curious, why would this apply to just the draft and not signing veterans?

Steve McKinney (current)
Aaron Glenn
Moran Norris
Antwain Smith
etc.
 
swtbound07 said:
Hey Look! Its early March, and of all the things i said that wouldn't happen...hey look, none of them have happened. I realize I have a lot of offseason to weather yet...just worth noting.
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Dang swt, everytime you bring this thread up it's like peeing in my Wheaties.:)
 
michaelm said:
ehh... Do you have a link or other proof to back this statement up?
Without information to substantiate this claim, it's only unconfirmed rumor, IMO... :dance2:
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I must spread rep around before giving it to you again....that made me laugh quite loudly
 
HoustonFrog said:
Completely wrong. If McNair wants to continue to be the laughingstock of the league while losing a dwindling fan base then Carr will be back. It would be franchise suicide to keep running the guy out there. I'm sorry but I have a hard time believing that Mr. McNair is really that dumb of a business man considering his non-football success.
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Waiting line for season tickets....HUGE cap hit if we release Carr. Hmmm not sure about the bad business move you are talking about.

Only part of the original post i dont understand is..."Our scouting department and team have a policy to avoid local players. I can't tell you why, but I can promise you that we aint getting any UH or UT boys. Let it go.".....THIS makes no sense at all. It makes me think the rest of the post is bogus too.
 
Jwwillis said:
Waiting line for season tickets....HUGE cap hit if we release Carr. Hmmm not sure about the bad business move you are talking about.
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Not exactly.

We save money by letting David go.

It will cost us $7.75million against the cap to keep him

It will cost us $4million against the cap to trade him

It will cost us $2million(this year & next) against the cap to cut him

The most fiscally responsible thing to do, is to cut him after June 1st.
 
thunderkyss said:
Not exactly.

We save money by letting David go.

It will cost us $7.75million against the cap to keep him

It will cost us $4million against the cap to trade him

It will cost us $2million(this year & next) against the cap to cut him

The most fiscally responsible thing to do, is to cut him after June 1st.
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I dont think his replacement is going to play free might as well add his salary. If you are thinking our existing corp of QB's will be taking us to the promise land, or even be better than Carr, I disagree.
 
swtbound07 said:
mark it down. I stand by everything i've said and will eat crow if i'm wrong and never bother you with my inside information again. There is a real source, and if im ever in a position to do so i will reveal it. Right now, I can't.
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Consider it marked down. My source is the same one Herv has. Common friggin sense.
 
Jwwillis said:
I dont think his replacement is going to play free might as well add his salary. If you are thinking our existing corp of QB's will be taking us to the promise land, or even be better than Carr, I disagree.
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His immediate replacement doesn't have to get us to the promised land. All he has to do, is not hamstring the team, and allow us to learn how to play... Let our 2nd & 3rd reciever feel like they are running routes for a reason. Allow our starting 5 to do their job, and not get blamed for the QBs indecisiveness. Allow us to go into week 16 &17 with a game plan that includes throwing the ball.
 
thunderkyss said:
Allow us to go into week 16 &17 with a game plan that includes throwing the ball.
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What is this "throw the ball" of which you speak? I do not believe I am familiar with this concept. Is it something new?




Oh, you kids today..! Surely you rapscallions are just having fun with an old man... Throw the ball indeed..! What a marvelous sense of humor you have, Mr. Kyss. Marvelous, I say!


:)
 
thunderkyss said:
His immediate replacement doesn't have to get us to the promised land. All he has to do, is not hamstring the team, and allow us to learn how to play... Let our 2nd & 3rd reciever feel like they are running routes for a reason. Allow our starting 5 to do their job, and not get blamed for the QBs indecisiveness. Allow us to go into week 16 &17 with a game plan that includes throwing the ball.
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lol...GL
 
If they are planning to keep David Carr why has Kubiak gone to Norte Dame to watch Quinn?Why has David stopped construction on his new home?Why has Sage been at every news conference and not David?Also,Carr has kept a very low profile in public and he knows how a lot of people in Houston feels about him and so what is he going to say?Personally I hope he gets traded or released not because he hasn't produced but doesn't need to be in a place where you are not wanted.If by chance he does stay it will be only for this coming season.It was said it would take two years to learn Kubiak's system and they may keep him through this season.This though is contingent on what Kubiak wants to do and McNair will do what he wants.
 
I SERIOUSLY, SERIOUSLY doubt they bring David back. You can't march that guy out there as a starter and expect people to believe you when you say "we're trying to win games", because obviously you're not. They'd just be spending another year sacraficing the devolopment of the team just to see if David can "get it"... You have seen David play for 5 yrs, and you know what he can and can't do. He has never shown the ability to put a team on his back and make plays. Why would you put him out there for another season and expect different results? That's what insanity is.

He won't be back as a back-up either. He'd have to play special teams and all that other stuff that comes with being second string. They aren't going to embarrass the guy like that.

The only decent thing to do is trade David. For his sake, and ours.
 
When this thread was written, there were no trade rumors out there yet. While I hoped it wouldn't be true, it wouldn't have surprised me if it were.

There's way too much water under the bridge now for David to come back and act like everything's cool....and I'm not talking about rumors. I'm talking about Patrick Ramsey coming in and getting told that he'd get a chance to compete for the starting QB job.

Then add all the stuff that's been said in the media by the FO...him stopping construction on his new house....teammates throwing him under the bus....any self-respecting guy would demand a release if they can't trade him.
 
Quick Question SWT. Considering your source, and I am not looking to know who it is, but have you considered his information with two things in mind?

#1. How far he is from the direct leadership of the Texans and might not be privy to strategys to market Carr? Being this is what is said long term to the players/coaches but they are doing it in case a deal doesnt go down.

#2 Why would they convey this message in any other reason then he is staying UNTIL they move Carr on. I mean, if this is a coach or player, arent they told they are there for the long haul anyways until the high upper management trades them? I have seen many players who are shocked they are a part of a trade package not knowing themselves until they are already traded.

I just think it is general practice to always, no matter who it is, give the impression that they will be on the team until otherwise traded. couldnt it be a case of this?
 
petedy said:
If they are planning to keep David Carr why has Kubiak gone to Norte Dame to watch Quinn?Why has David stopped construction on his new home?Why has Sage been at every news conference and not David?Also,Carr has kept a very low profile in public and he knows how a lot of people in Houston feels about him and so what is he going to say?
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Well, I don't think Carr is a good QB but...

It's March. Kubiak could have gone to Notre Dame to watch other people besides Quinn or he could be looking at Quinn. Or he might be trying to make someone THINK he's looking at Quinn to see what they'll offer in a trade (whether he wants Quinn or not).

Everything is a smoke screen at this point... or at least I hope our FO is smart enough to MAKE everything a smoke screen at this point. We've got a long way to go before any of us standing on the outside have the slightest idea what's really going on. (Not that we'll ever know what's REALLY going on...)
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Well, I don't think Carr is a good QB but...

It's March. Kubiak could have gone to Notre Dame to watch other people besides Quinn or he could be looking at Quinn. Or he might be trying to make someone THINK he's looking at Quinn to see what they'll offer in a trade (whether he wants Quinn or not).

Everything is a smoke screen at this point... or at least I hope our FO is smart enough to MAKE everything a smoke screen at this point. We've got a long way to go before any of us standing on the outside have the slightest idea what's really going on. (Not that we'll ever know what's REALLY going on...)
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Why would you want everything to be a smoke screen ?

I would hope that they're doing some actual scouting and evaluation instead of wasting most/all of their time playing "gotcha"....
 
There are going to be a lot of upset, shell shocked fans in 2007 when Carr is the Texans QB. I tried to warn ya', riding through the proverbial town like Paul Revere, prepare and brace yourselves for the reality check.

But noooOOooOOoo, y'all had to live the dream, buy the delusion, eat up the illusion that Carr is with another team in 2007.

Put down the gun, it'll be alright. He can't be our starter forever, it's just a game, you have more important things in life to live for, yada yada yada 'we just have to execute the gameplan'.

:joker:
 
IMHO Carr will be gone by June 1st. it may be in a trade before the draft, it may be in a draft day trade or he may be released( the cap smart way to go) on or before June first. I wouldnt be surprised if they were forced to keep him one more year either though, if they cant get his replacement thru trade or the draft. funny things happen on draft day.
 
Double Barrel said:
There are going to be a lot of upset, shell shocked fans in 2007 when Carr is the Texans QB. I tried to warn ya', riding through the proverbial town like Paul Revere, prepare and brace yourselves for the reality check.

But noooOOooOOoo, y'all had to live the dream, buy the delusion, eat up the illusion that Carr is with another team in 2007.

Put down the gun, it'll be alright. He can't be our starter forever, it's just a game, you have more important things in life to live for, yada yada yada 'we just have to execute the gameplan'.

:joker:
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I know there are a few of you diehards that refuse to see the handwriting on the wall, but the only way they could be more clear about thier intentions is if they rented the Goodyear blimp and flew it around Houston for weeks with a huge scrolling message that said David Carr will not be here in 2007.
 
Carr will QB the Texans in '07 and your gonna like it damit! :wild:

We will make the playoffs for the 1st time and Carr will get an extension. :beerfunnel:
 
Porky said:
I know there are a few of you diehards that refuse to see the handwriting on the wall, but the only way they could be more clear about thier intentions is if they rented the Goodyear blimp and flew it around Houston for weeks with a huge scrolling message that said David Carr will not be here in 2007.
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Lemme know when you see that, Porky.
Everyone lies before the draft. It's just the way it goes.
 
Porky said:
I know there are a few of you diehards that refuse to see the handwriting on the wall, but the only way they could be more clear about thier intentions is if they rented the Goodyear blimp and flew it around Houston for weeks with a huge scrolling message that said David Carr will not be here in 2007.
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I agree with Double, and a few others. Kubiak & Smith made their intentions pretty clear at the end of the season. Then all of a sudden, they want to make sure they get good value?? Make sure they get equal value?? a better option??

To me, it sounds like they understand that it isn't hard to upgrade, but selling it to McNair may not be so easy. Plummer, while I don't like the idea, I'm sure that would have been an easy sell, regardless what the Carr Homers say.

But back to my original point. When has Kubiak cared about getting equal value, or upgrading a position before cutting a player??

He didn't feel that way when he cut Robaire, Moran, or Wand. He didn't feel that way, when he cut Buchanon. He didn't care about fair value when we cut Moulds. He wasn't happy with them, and didn't even dangle them.

I'm not buying it. I'm thinking McNair put his foot down, and let it be known that David will not be embarassed, and just cut from the team.
 
swtbound07 said:
Im in the know...and believe me i wish i wasn't. Knowledge strips optimism. These decisions were made by Mcnair. Kubiak has 3 years to turn DC into a winner, then one of them is gone...and it probably won't be Carr.
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While I agree with this...I hate this post. If they canned Kubiak and kept Carr if he continues bad play. The city would riot over it.

But, stanger things have happened.

So, I hope in this post above your wrong...but seeing I talk to some inside, I doubt you are.
 
Porky said:
I know there are a few of you diehards that refuse to see the handwriting on the wall, but the only way they could be more clear about thier intentions is if they rented the Goodyear blimp and flew it around Houston for weeks with a huge scrolling message that said David Carr will not be here in 2007.
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I'm not a "diehard" and just to clarify, I'm not a homer/hater, but more of a realist. And I'm just trying to adjust my own perspective to be prepared that DC will be in TC come next August. Setting myself up for disappointment based upon unrealistic expectations is not my cup of tea

This pov is based on the Texans wanting a certain value for Carr that other teams are not willing to give at this point. And based upon what little we really know right now (which, in truth, is not much), they think he's still got some potential, which is enough to prevent them from cutting him outright.

I have little doubt that the FO would have moved him by now if given an acceptable offer. Obviously he's still on the roster for a reason. Of course, all of this is subject to change, and I don't have any more insight than the rest of us.

But the fact of the matter is that DC is still a Texan, nobody has traded for him, and we know the FO believes he's got value based upon potential. Tell me what you see in the tea leaves if you believe otherwise (not talking about what you want, but just an objective analysis of our current situation).
 
dirty steve said:
not done with you b-wagon. how much clearer do i have to make it, you wear titans gear, you arent a Texans fan. period.

i wore oilers gear when they played here. i once wore a jamal anderson when i was living in savannah, georgia when we had no NFL entry. but ever since we got our team back, i have worn nothing but Texans gear. get off your high horse.
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Your planet called...they said keep you.
 
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