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Battle Red Bull said:
The Jake Plummer thing might be sourceless, but it's not much of a stretch. Coaches always want their guys if they can get 'em.

I still think that the Texans had every intention of taking Reggie Bush before they smelled a potential scandal. I've heard from 2 places (Justice's blog, John and Lance) that Casserly was leaking this stuff to the media. Problem is that it wasn't his decision.

I also think people are reading more into the McNair quote than what is really there. I think that he just made that quote to put people on notice that he's not necessarily married to Carr anymore as his QB.

There's still a long way to go before we know if Carr will be here next year or not. Free agency...the combine...individual workouts...the draft.
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Totally agreed on all counts. FWIW my information is that the Texans FO were pretty split on Reggie vs Mario leading up to the draft last year but Mario won out because they wanted defense and had questions about Reggie's future as an NFL RB (surprise surprise he wasn't much of that this year.) Vince was brought in as a hometown courtesy and while this of course looks shortsighted now he was never seriously in the running at the time.

We are still waiting on the combine as well as individual workouts, interviews, the FA, etc. Even if the FO was dead set on replacing Carr they wouldn't be announcing it yet. I think McNair's quote was simply to indicate that they are not married to Carr and it's as simple as that.
 
I think the key here, and the reason everyone is getting conforntation, is that unless swt's inside man is McNair himself, there is no "PERIOD" for sure. He may be 80% correct. His source might change his mind. But if theres any chance his source might change his mind, the wording in the post should allude to that. Not indicate 100% probability.
 
The Dream said:
I agree, who in the hell would want David?....this is "one" of the reasons why I wasn't so big on the texans signing him back.
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I have no idea who? probably know body, right?:shades: Really as of yesterday............... never mind it will play out.

All I can do is pray the Lord will put him in the right place. Wherever that is.
 
jayjordan said:
When carr is traded and everything you said isnt going to happen does, just dont post anymore.
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'eh, don't shoot the messenger. :howdy:

swt is a good guy, and I think he's credible when he's giving us info from his source. He readily admits that it could be incorrect, or a distraction measure, but his guy inside the organization was kind enough to share his perspective with swt, who was cool enough to share it with us.

A forum is for conversation and exchanging ideas. Argue the point of the message all day long, but there is no need to make it personal.

I think DC will be here in 2007 for a variety of reasons. The owner likes him, the HC thinks he's got potential, and his contract is too big/long to make a trade. Cutting him gives us a big cap hit, and the reality is that there is slim pickings out there for another QB that is clearly an upgrade (Plummer is not a clear upgrade at this point, but rather a potential minor upgrade with a big price tag).

It's not the end of the world if Carr is back, either. He's better than Rex Grossman, IMO, and the Bears made it to the Super Bowl. We just need a consistently dominant defense and solid running game to make it work (ala the Colts game).
 
Hulk75 said:
I have no idea who? probably know body, right?:shades: Really as of yesterday............... never mind it will play out.

All I can do is pray the Lord will put him in the right place. Wherever that is.
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And i feel with all my heart, I feel it will be with the Texans....There just aren't no better options out there..I'll take my chances with CARR...
 
Double Barrel said:
his contract is too big/long to make a trade. Cutting him gives us a big cap hit

(Plummer is not a clear upgrade at this point, but rather a potential minor upgrade with a big price tag).
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Exactly.

Like it or not, we committed to Carr last year.

There are no better alternatives. This is not the year to make a move for a QB. 37 year old Garcia is not the answer and neither is Jake the Snake. We missed our opportunity last year with Cutler and VY. Now we'll have to wait another year or two. Everybody just needs to deal with it and quit looking for a quick fix because there isn't one.
 
Erratic Assassin said:
Exactly.

Like it or not, we committed to Carr last year.

There are no better alternatives. This is not the year to make a move for a QB. 37 year old Garcia is not the answer and neither is Jake the Snake. We missed our opportunity last year with Cutler and VY. Now we'll have to wait another year or two. Everybody just needs to deal with it and quit looking for a quick fix because there isn't one.
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ANOTHER guy who gets it! :highfive:
 
Erratic Assassin said:
Exactly.

Like it or not, we committed to Carr last year.

There are no better alternatives. This is not the year to make a move for a QB. 37 year old Garcia is not the answer and neither is Jake the Snake. We missed our opportunity last year with Cutler and VY. Now we'll have to wait another year or two. Everybody just needs to deal with it and quit looking for a quick fix because there isn't one.
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Good post, I agree. Although I do not think Carr is our long term solution, I don't see anyone available this year who is.
 
Double Barrel said:
'eh, don't shoot the messenger. :howdy:

swt is a good guy, and I think he's credible when he's giving us info from his source. He readily admits that it could be incorrect, or a distraction measure, but his guy inside the organization was kind enough to share his perspective with swt, who was cool enough to share it with us.

A forum is for conversation and exchanging ideas. Argue the point of the message all day long, but there is no need to make it personal.

I think DC will be here in 2007 for a variety of reasons. The owner likes him, the HC thinks he's got potential, and his contract is too big/long to make a trade. Cutting him gives us a big cap hit, and the reality is that there is slim pickings out there for another QB that is clearly an upgrade (Plummer is not a clear upgrade at this point, but rather a potential minor upgrade with a big price tag).

It's not the end of the world if Carr is back, either. He's better than Rex Grossman, IMO, and the Bears made it to the Super Bowl. We just need a consistently dominant defense and solid running game to make it work (ala the Colts game).
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it's possible i misread the posts, but i think we'd save roughly 3mil this year by cutting him after june 1st and about 4mil next year (and he only has 2 years on the extension, not very long). plummer would eat that and then some, but going in with sage as a starter would save us money. i do think that plummer is an upgrade, but that debate's going on in enough threads. ideally i'd go into the season with sage and see who's around in this and next years' drafts. BVP isnt much of a backup, but he knows the system and can be used as a #2 and we've got quinton porter playing NFLE who will sit on the first practice squad spot. it's not pretty, but IMO it's a bandaid upgrade until we find a fix.
 
Scooter said:
it's possible i misread the posts, but i think we'd save roughly 3mil this year by cutting him after june 1st and about 4mil next year (and he only has 2 years on the extension, not very long). plummer would eat that and then some, but going in with sage as a starter would save us money. i do think that plummer is an upgrade, but that debate's going on in enough threads. ideally i'd go into the season with sage and see who's around in this and next years' drafts. BVP isnt much of a backup, but he knows the system and can be used as a #2 and we've got quinton porter playing NFLE who will sit on the first practice squad spot. it's not pretty, but IMO it's a bandaid upgrade until we find a fix.
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How do we know BVP isn't much of a back up?? The guys at Colorado seem to like him quite a bit..... the fans in Denver enjoy watching him play. They didn't bat an eye when Denver drafted Cutler, so I'd assume they clearly feel he is no franchise guy, but everything I've heard/read...... they liked him as a back-up.
 
Erratic Assassin said:
Exactly.

Like it or not, we committed to Carr last year.

There are no better alternatives. This is not the year to make a move for a QB. 37 year old Garcia is not the answer and neither is Jake the Snake. We missed our opportunity last year with Cutler and VY. Now we'll have to wait another year or two. Everybody just needs to deal with it and quit looking for a quick fix because there isn't one.
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in my opinion and many others', removing carr is the quick fix. i defended him for 4 years, and learned a lot about football doing so. i was breaking down replays working on offensive and defensive lines and went the longest time blaming everyone else on offense. i'm done doing it. when we blocked well, carr failed. when we blocked poorly, carr failed. when we ran well, carr failed. when we ran poorly, carr failed. there's 1 constant.

it's all in his head though which makes it so tough to swallow. he's a smart kid with all of the physical tools to be great. and he still might be, but he's not going get his head right in houston. it benefits everyone to release or trade him IMO.
 
thunderkyss said:
How do we know BVP isn't much of a back up?? The guys at Colorado seem to like him quite a bit..... the fans in Denver enjoy watching him play. They didn't bat an eye when Denver drafted Cutler, so I'd assume they clearly feel he is no franchise guy, but everything I've heard/read...... they liked him as a back-up.
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wow, i thought he was more seasoned ... i just now learned he's going into only his 3rd year. i knew he'd only been a backup, and reports from practice this season were that he was struggling mightily. i assumed (falsely) that he'd been a backup for 4-6 years. but just on probabilities, a 7th rounder with no starts and on his second team in his first 2 years doesnt spark excitement.

i dont doubt that he was a fan favorite in denver, backup qb's always are. it actually suprised me that i found myself rooting for him the only time i saw play in 05 and if i remember right, again during this preseason. he's a likable kid and strangely a lot of fun to watch. i think he's a servicable backup based on what little bit i saw, and the fact that kubiak's stuck with him. that and his experience in the system have me comfortable enough with BVP and sage going into the 07 season as i said.
 
If you want BVP to be the starter, you need to get back on your meds real quick. I can't remember the kid that played for the Oilers that was a QB, but acted more like a Line backer, but that would be BVP. He is a wildman and runs pretty well. Unfortunatly, that's pretty much it. Kind of fun to watch a line backer play QB, but it wont float the boat during the NFL season. Worked "OK" in the college Mountain division and made him sort of a hero, but not an NFL QB.
 
edo783 said:
If you want BVP to be the starter, you need to get back on your meds real quick. I can't remember the kid that played for the Oilers that was a QB, but acted more like a Line backer, but that would be BVP. He is a wildman and runs pretty well. Unfortunatly, that's pretty much it. Kind of fun to watch a line backer play QB, but it wont float the boat during the NFL season. Worked "OK" in the college Mountain division and made him sort of a hero, but not an NFL QB.
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Bucky Richardson.
Or Billy Joe Tolliver ( but Tolliver threw the ball )

Cody Carlson would now quarterback the new offense but he separated his shoulder in the season opener. In stepped a gutsy young man named Bucky Richardson. The NFL had probably not seen a QB with less physical skills since Joe Kapp led Minnesota to Super Bowl IV. But he was legendary at Texas A&M for his ability to win games with his arm, his legs, his will, his guile - whatever it took. Bucky was Houston's last draft pick in 1992 and saw only mop-up and special teams duties for two years.
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-HPF
 
bucky didnt have gary kubiak. and no one's expection BVP to start, i'm comfortable with him spot starting or coming in in a pinch.
 
Scooter said:
bucky didnt have gary kubiak. and no one's expection BVP to start, i'm comfortable with him spot starting or coming in in a pinch.
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Well, hey, let's think about this. Sage broke his hand making a tackle (a really nice gutsy tackle, iirc) after a missed kick, right? Then let's let BVP be the holder from now on. That way, when Kris misses a kick, BVP can use his athleticism and linebacker mentality to his fullest.
 
Yup, it was Bucky that I was thinking of. BVP MIGHT be "OK" in back up duty, but please don't ever put him in the "He can be the starting QB for this team" conversation. To even suggest that is stupid.
 
edo783 said:
Yup, it was Bucky that I was thinking of. BVP MIGHT be "OK" in back up duty, but please don't ever put him in the "He can be the starting QB for this team" conversation. To even suggest that is stupid.
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no one has even suggested BVP as a starter. the only legitimate arguement put forth is sage/carr/plummer.
 
Double Barrel said:
'eh, don't shoot the messenger. :howdy:

swt is a good guy, and I think he's credible when he's giving us info from his source. He readily admits that it could be incorrect, or a distraction measure, but his guy inside the organization was kind enough to share his perspective with swt, who was cool enough to share it with us.

A forum is for conversation and exchanging ideas. Argue the point of the message all day long, but there is no need to make it personal.

I think DC will be here in 2007 for a variety of reasons. The owner likes him, the HC thinks he's got potential, and his contract is too big/long to make a trade. Cutting him gives us a big cap hit, and the reality is that there is slim pickings out there for another QB that is clearly an upgrade (Plummer is not a clear upgrade at this point, but rather a potential minor upgrade with a big price tag).

It's not the end of the world if Carr is back, either. He's better than Rex Grossman, IMO, and the Bears made it to the Super Bowl. We just need a consistently dominant defense and solid running game to make it work (ala the Colts game).
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I agree with that, but some people take message boards way too seriously. So how do you gain respect??
 
edo783 said:
Yup, it was Bucky that I was thinking of. BVP MIGHT be "OK" in back up duty, but please don't ever put him in the "He can be the starting QB for this team" conversation. To even suggest that is stupid.
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So what makes you think BVP is only a back-up career QB? No one has ever seen him play. He was good in college, but hardly ever got a shot. Carr was good in college and is doing horrible in the NFL as a starter. He got his shot for five years. I think Carr would be a decent back-up. I want to know your opinion?
 
SamuraiSword said:
So what makes you think BVP is only a back-up career QB? No one has ever seen him play. He was good in college, but hardly ever got a shot. Carr was good in college and is doing horrible in the NFL as a starter. He got his shot for five years. I think Carr would be a decent back-up. I want to know your opinion?
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Well, if you check were I live you will know I have seen him play a whole lot including up close and personal with the Broncos, not to mention several times a week with CSU.
 
Everyone is wrong about everything!!! Did my wife start this thread because that's what she yell's at me all the time. If the FO and HC want Carr back then he will be back, if they want to trade him he will be traded. Only time will tell.
 
swtbound07 said:
Allright, I've kept my mouth shut for quite some time, but its time to put some things out on the table that I happen to know, and dispel some of the common myths on this board. I absolutely refuse to reveal my source, but you can take this stuff or leave it, won't change that im right.

One, for everyone saying that today was the last straw, and David Carr has to go, your wrong twice. For one thing, he should have gone last year, THAT was the last straw.

Two, and let me put this in bold so you can understand this:
David Carr Will Be Allowed to play out the remainder of his contract extension. PERIOD.
You can draw up lists, look at free agents, do whatever you want. Carr will be here until his extension runs out, and its very possible he could get a new contract after that.

even if we WERE looking to acquire a quarterback, it wouldn't be matt schaub. the price will be too high, and frankly he will be the most sought after qb on the market, and we cant pull that.

We won't draft Kevin Kolb. PERIOD. Not even in the 7th. Our scouting department and team have a policy to avoid local players. I can't tell you why, but I can promise you that we aint getting any UH or UT boys. Let it go.

Jake Plummer aint coming to save us. Its not happening. we won't pick up another qb.

Andre, David, and Dunta aren't going to be benched. its not happening.

Mcnair isn't going to publicly apologize. its not happening.
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Daddy used to say there were some folks, that believed they were legends. But he did add in their own minds
 
QB75 said:
and you would care because.....?
:shades:
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Because he's going to camp....isn't he? Some guys would like to know how he's getting ready for it.

That is if you're here to talk football instead of trying to patrol the fans.
 
Battle Red Bull said:
Because he's going to camp....isn't he? Some guys would like to know how he's getting ready for it.

That is if you're here to talk football instead of trying to patrol the fans.
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Some of us would like to know if he is taking enough interest in his own career to know that he needs to go above and beyond........

Like hiring one of these hot shot trainers to help him with his game.... you know, like Vince did before the '06 season started.
 
thunderkyss said:
Some of us would like to know if he is taking enough interest in his own career to know that he needs to go above and beyond........

Like hiring one of these hot shot trainers to help him with his game.... you know, like Vince did before the '06 season started.
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Why? So he can have a 51.5 Completion % or a QB rating of 66.7? Yeah, I'm sure David Carr wants to model his throwing game after Vince Young.:stirpot:
 
thunderkyss said:
Some of us would like to know if he is taking enough interest in his own career to know that he needs to go above and beyond........

Like hiring one of these hot shot trainers to help him with his game.... you know, like Vince did before the '06 season started.
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I doubt that you have much of an interest. It looks like Vince is your idol. Nice avatar.
 
QB75 said:
I doubt that you have much of an interest. It looks like Vince is your idol. Nice avatar.
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You got it wrong here, Daddy-O.

This ain't the Mommas and Poppas' message board.

You just got asked an honest question by an honest fan. Do you not have an answer?
 
thunderkyss said:
Some of us would like to know if he is taking enough interest in his own career to know that he needs to go above and beyond........
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It's sad that this is a legitimate question about our QB. His priorities have been reported to not have the NFL as his number one commitment in life. To be the best, you have to strive to be the best, including work ethic and dedication to the complexities of the job.

I'm not doggin' the guy, because it's his life. But Peyton Manning is who he is because of the work he puts into learning the position and his drive to be the best at what he does. Homework is a big part of that equation.
 
thunderkyss said:
The bet was that David would have a better stat line than Vince in the Titans game at Reliant..


It was a sure thing.......

go figure.
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ahh... a gambler. How long do you have to fly Young's pic?

and if you wanna make another bet, I will bet you Young has a better stat line in 2007 than Carr. Loser gets a David Carr tatoo on his forearm. ( I'll pay either way ).

( although it is not going to cost me anything, because I'll get the tatoo shop to spring the ink for free, in return for the TV coverage. McClain will drop your name for sure... maybe for the next 10 to 20 years too. Heck, you might even get a line in SI and a cameo in Madden. )
 
Battle Red Bull said:
You got it wrong here, Daddy-O.

This ain't the Mommas and Poppas' message board.

You just got asked an honest question by an honest fan. Do you not have an answer?
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No, actually I think I got it right. Anyone posting a VY avatar isn't looking for anything constructive regarding David Carr. :shades:
 
8. HOUSTON TEXANS
ADRIAN PETERSON RB | Oklahoma | Scouting Report
Some may be surprised to see Peterson fall this far but not only is it possible but at this point it's almost likely. While nobody doubts his phenomenal talent there are some major durability concerns with Peterson, who was never even able to make it through a full college season without getting hurt and missing time. There are few things that will frustrate a team more than an injury-prone running back which is why he's still on the board here. The Texans actually already have a solid running back with durability problems in Domanick Williams (formerly Davis) but he's coming off a major injury and can't be counted on at this point and they certainly can't go into another season expecting the likes of Ron Dayne, Wali Lundy and Samkon Gado to carry the load. Some may counter that Gary Kubiak comes from the Denver system and doesn't believe in using first round picks on runners but they failed to turn the also-rans they had into studs like the Broncos consistently do and Peterson is a rare prospect. Bringing in a local hometown hero like Peterson might also alleviate some of the pain the Houston fan base feels and help eliminate some of the ill will that has been aimed at the franchise since they took a pass on Vince Young.
 
QB75 said:
No, actually I think I got it right. Anyone posting a VY avatar isn't looking for anything constructive regarding David Carr. :shades:
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So you totally ignored what I wrote? TKyss doesn't WANT to have a Young avatar; Carr's performance FORCED him to have a Young avatar because of a bet.
 
QB75 said:
No, actually I think I got it right. Anyone posting a VY avatar isn't looking for anything constructive regarding David Carr. :shades:
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I would have made the same offer to you . The great avatar bet ... only TK responded .

It was as clear as day that VY was going into Reliant and do to this franchise what Sherman did to the South .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
I would have made the same offer to you . The great avatar bet ... only TK responded .

It was as clear as day that VY was going into Reliant and do to this franchise what Sherman did to the South .
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VY didn't come into Reliant and prove anything. Re ran for a TD. The Titans won a game. "what Sherman did to the South...". not quite.:bubble:
 
Scottyboy said:
While nobody doubts his phenomenal talent there are some major durability concerns with Peterson, who was never even able to make it through a full college season without getting hurt and missing time. There are few things that will frustrate a team more than an injury-prone running back
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Another talented "injury-prone" player? No thank you.

After Tony Boselli, Bennie Joppru, and Domanick Davis/ Williams I can't take it anymore.

Maybe I'm a little gun-shy about injury-prone players after watching the Rockets the past 2 years.
 
QB75 said:
VY didn't come into Reliant and prove anything.
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QB75 during a previous work assignment:

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QB75 said:
VY didn't come into Reliant and prove anything. Re ran for a TD. The Titans won a game. "what Sherman did to the South...". not quite.:bubble:
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...won a game!!! WOW, I think you got it, especially if you win more than you lose--unfortunately, some do it in their first year while others--no names, here--never quite understand that an excuse doesn't count as a win...
 
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