swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
Well we'll know after this offseason....either im right, and my source is still with the organization or im wrong and he's gone.
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Well we'll know after this offseason....either im right, and my source is still with the organization or im wrong and he's gone.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Hardcore Texan
Magnet Man
If he does stay the rest of his contract, it will be as a back up. In fact, if Rosenfels wasn't hurt DC would have been benched again. I believe Kubiak is dedicated to putting the best 11 on the field.
IndependentMark
Practice Squad
I typically want people to reveal their sources or have links to a credible news source, but you seem sincere, and so I'll believe you that they plan to keep Carr around until the end of his contract extension.
HOWEVER, this does not mean that your team sources won't be sending you a different message in the future. After the season ends, they will evaluate everything. They will go through a process similar to last season, and YES, they will even take into account the majority fan sentiment. McNair and Co. can always change their minds, even if all the "insiders" believe it to be set in stone. My prediction is that McNair will balance his choice to keep Carr through 2008 with the negative fan sentiment on Carr by demoting him to backup or making him compete with the other QBs for the starting job.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
This is true. My information can only be as current as the decision most recently made. If something changes in the upcoming weeks, I'll be the first one rushing up to update. You could very well be right. But what i've heard as of last thursday was what I posted. If anything salient develops I'll be sure to come back.....Of course, the irony there is it will call the credibility of my original post into question if i come back and modify information. What can you do?
dirty steve
Veteran
cool. because no amount of explaining will get me to understand why you are wearing gear from one of our biggest rivals, and i dont care if st. vincent is playing for them. accessorizing is the lamest excuse for what gear you are going to wear. you didnt have an old Oilers #34 laying around, or maybe a #1? dont ever call yourself a Texans fan if you want to continue wearing Titans gear.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Don't care who you are or where you're getting your inside info. Carr is toast. They trot him out there next season it will be to insure they get a shot at McFaddin. If Carr was a horse, they would take him out back and shoot him. They'll make a settlement with him and cut him lose befor the draft. This dog won't hunt no more. Too many shells too many times. I dunno and I ain't in the loop hot shot. But I see , what I see. McNair is not a bad man. Noone would subject a decent huname to that kind of beating once again. No one. This guy is a shell and he can't get into the saddle no more. Anyone tells you he can, I don't give a Good GD who they are..they're out of their minds.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
Get off your high horse. So you've never worn another NFL jersey from any other team? I've got Vince Jerseys, Vick Jerseys, Quentin Griffin Jerseys. Newsflash..you can support multiple PLAYERS, but one team. When the titans come to town i hope they lose...I wish Vince well the other 16 games of the season. Im done with you now.
Malloy
Hall of Fame
Coming back and modifying the post at a later time is A-OK with me, situations change, plans are altered. I look at your original post as a "right now"-situational report, something's that subject to change.
And I really hope it changes! I'm not so worried about Carr actually (he'll get benched eventually if the backup is good enough), I'm more worried about the selling of the team, because that would lead to actions that might hurt the team itself. Who knows, getting another owner (in Houston hopefully) might be a good thing?
Janus3
Waterboy
pretty much agree. i wish i could've punched everybody wearing a titans/ut jersey at the game. the ignorance was astounding. and it's pretty damn sad that a "football" fan cares more about "matching clothes" rather than supporting their team. i'm sure he was sitting right next to Isaac Mizrahi or Calvin Klein. that clown needs to go to a ballet rather than a football game.
Janus3
Waterboy
wearing another jersey is fine, wearing one to your home game when that team is there is just stupid. 4 years ago when drew bledsoe game to houston i wore my texans jersey, but brought my bledsoe jersey. when he looked my way i cheered for him and showed the jersey but i sure as hell rooted for the texans and never put that jersey on. sorry pal, lame excuse.
R
real
Guest
Arguing about someone wearing a jersey from an opponents team and then saying he isn't a real fan is awfully lame 
David Carr is essentially Bob McNair's son. It would take a massive beating in the revenues in order for Bob to disown Carr and release him.
Bob did Carr wrong though when he didn't draft Reggie Bush. Reggie Bush would have helped out Carr a lot like he helped out Leinart.
Bob did Carr wrong though when he didn't draft Reggie Bush. Reggie Bush would have helped out Carr a lot like he helped out Leinart.
I agree. You love Vince.... you want to support the kid..... by a UT Jersey.
But hey. whatever.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
It wasn't to a home game. It was to the symphony. I've never worn another teams colors to a texans game. There were no texans players present.
Bear
Practice Squad
swt,
While I may not post much, I know that your original post is not 100% factual. If you want to make a friendly wager or something with more substance, I'm game for that.
You make the call.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
Name your terms friend.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
SWT I'm not saying your wrong but I am hoping you are .
I don't see Carr's season turning around and I have to think even McNair will realize the merciful thing to do is part ways .
I don't see Carr's season turning around and I have to think even McNair will realize the merciful thing to do is part ways .
Bear
Practice Squad
Tell you what, I'll give you this as a freebee.
You know we signed Antowain Smith, a former Coog, this year, right?
And as a side note (which may or may not have already been covered), when your inside information is based upon 2nd hand knowledge, it's not always accurate, regardless of who the source is. People change their minds, decisions sometimes over-rule previous policies, etc.
By ending an argument with "PERIOD", it doesn't make your statement any more factual. It does, however, make you appear to be arrogant and hard headed.
Nothing personal, just a friendly and unbiased observation from someone else with "inside" info
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swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
Tell you what, I'll give you this as a freebee.
You know we signed Antowain Smith, a former Coog, this year, right?
And as a side note (which may or may not have already been covered), when your inside information is based upon 2nd hand knowledge, it's not always accurate, regardless of who the source is. People change their minds, decisions sometimes over-rule previous policies, etc.
By ending an argument with "PERIOD", it doesn't make your statement any more factual. It does, however, make you appear to be arrogant and hard headed.
Nothing personal, just a friendly and unbiased observation from someone else with "inside" info
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As i thought i answered earlier, my statement on local players was directed towards the draft, not free agency, and as i said on page 6, my information is only as current as my last conversation. The periods...perhaps a little overdramatic. I was pissed about the patriots loss, but I stand by the truthfullness of what I stated.
Janus3
Waterboy
my apologies
texans83
Rookie
man im just so confused, we need so much help its unreal. There is no way we can address everything this next off season there just arent enough good free agents and we deff dont have enough cap for every position.
SWT I deff think you are right and it dosent matter either way ill still renew my season tickets........
TEXANS FAN TEAL THE END...
SWT I deff think you are right and it dosent matter either way ill still renew my season tickets........
TEXANS FAN TEAL THE END...
kcwilson
Rookie
I swear I am having a Deja vu from 2005. Spooky.
awtysst
Draft Guru
You wore a football jersey to the symphony? Wow. I thought they had a dress code there? When I went to opera in NYC, I had to dress up in a suit and tie.
Hardcore Texan
Magnet Man
So I just can't help but wonder how did the situation come up where you stop and take a picture with Texans cheerleaders on the way to the symphony? Just asking.
So then we'll prioritize, and address the most severe areas first.
In your opinion, which holes do you think we addressed & fixed last offseason??
Which do you think are the most important to address next offseason??
We'll go from their.
DoCRoN
Waterboy
I'm guessing he went to Gridiron Glory held back in September. The Texans Cheerleaders were there as well....
OzzO
.. and then?
Would you mind editing your post.... just because.
As for the original post - I can see Carr still here next year (thinking him or another vet) but would still like to see a QB drafted for the future, unless they have another in mind for the 2008 offseason. But as for a Carr extension after that? Man, there'd really have to be a turn around on the offensive side of the ball and quite a few fans doing a 180 from where they are today.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
Exactly Right. It was an NFL films event, and i had no idea that any texans whatsoever would be there...i got the tickets at the last minute as a suprise, and my friends happened to be going as well. We decided to wear Jordans, Jerseys, and suits. My friend needed to borrow my battle red andre that I originally planned because he only had red jordans in his size. The only other Jersey I had clean to match any of the shoes was my VY. Once I got there and saw Texans cheerleader, I couldn't pass up a chance to take a picture with them regardless of wardrobe. Now...I get crap about it every day.
Malloy
Hall of Fame
R
real
Guest
The whole "why are you wearing another teams jersey" argument is lame anyway.....
You shouldn't have even explained yourself to them...
Malloy
Hall of Fame
That's not even about being a fan or not. It's about legs and boobs and stuff.
I'm a fan of that!!
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
I remember reading SWT's post in September when he went to the event back in September. Anyone who's interested in his VY jersey should check the archives. He posted lots of pictures and explained the jersey back then.
Back to the topic....
I like David Carr as a guy and even buy the argumant that he still needs an OL. I think that the issue is his relationship with Bob McNair. It's unhealthy for the organization.
We keep hearing Kubiak talk about accountability. Lots of guys have had bad games around here and have found themselves on the waiver wire the following day.
They see one guy that isn't held to that same standard. They see the ownership protecting David Carr by not introducing him in the home games. They then hear the quotes in the media where McNair covers for Carr even more. Everytime that Kubiak gets asked about a poor David Carr performance, he says "Well, we all could have done more to win the game."
Newsflash: Players really do quit on coaches.
Case in point: A story that John Granato tells the Monday following the loss in Nashville.
Carr gets pulled, Sage comes in and moves the ball. The announcement comes out in the post-game that Carr will be starting the following week. The media already knows, but it hasn't gotten to the locker room yet.
John Granato happens to be talking to a player (he didn't name names) after the game and the player asks him if he's heard yet who the starting QB will be the following week. Granato tells him that Carr will be starting. The player then gets visibly upset and says "You've gotta be kidding."
Then add Dunta's post-game comments from last week in Justice's column and I think we have a pretty good idea of where the locker room stands.
Back to the topic....
I like David Carr as a guy and even buy the argumant that he still needs an OL. I think that the issue is his relationship with Bob McNair. It's unhealthy for the organization.
We keep hearing Kubiak talk about accountability. Lots of guys have had bad games around here and have found themselves on the waiver wire the following day.
They see one guy that isn't held to that same standard. They see the ownership protecting David Carr by not introducing him in the home games. They then hear the quotes in the media where McNair covers for Carr even more. Everytime that Kubiak gets asked about a poor David Carr performance, he says "Well, we all could have done more to win the game."
Newsflash: Players really do quit on coaches.
Case in point: A story that John Granato tells the Monday following the loss in Nashville.
Carr gets pulled, Sage comes in and moves the ball. The announcement comes out in the post-game that Carr will be starting the following week. The media already knows, but it hasn't gotten to the locker room yet.
John Granato happens to be talking to a player (he didn't name names) after the game and the player asks him if he's heard yet who the starting QB will be the following week. Granato tells him that Carr will be starting. The player then gets visibly upset and says "You've gotta be kidding."
Then add Dunta's post-game comments from last week in Justice's column and I think we have a pretty good idea of where the locker room stands.
K
kingh99
Guest
McNair deserves an assload of criticism. I didn't want to do it but could not resist googling "McNair Enron". This guy is tainted with the Enron brush. Just our luck he's probably the last hoodwinker that got a deal done from that plastic business era before the lights went out. The deal presumably would be to leverage a pro team in Houston. How's Enron Field these day? We are getting Enroned. Again.
"Cogen Technologies founder sold nation's then-largest privately held power company to Enron for $1.5 billion in 1999; took cash and stock. Dumped shares before energy giant's spectacular fall."
When will Houston stop being punished by this rotten cadre of "business men"?
K
kingh99
Guest
McNair would not own shyatt today if he was trying to get a team. He'd be damaged goods. He got his deal done barely under the indictments wire. Once the Enron guys started getting indicted, he would have been smeared by the scandal and questions would have cascaded regarding the means and methods used to build empire.
K
kingh99
Guest
Now that I know McNair is a tar baby from the Enron rip off, my perceptions change 180 degrees. This guy deserves no great thanks for bringing us a team. He sold his company for inflated poison stock. Anyone that lost money on their 401K with the worthless Enron stock helped this guy buy his toy.
No wonder this franchise is suffering. It's run with cursed money. Think about it.
No wonder this franchise is suffering. It's run with cursed money. Think about it.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
I know, I just feel obligated to justify that avatar everytime it comes up..I find the whole thing semi-ridiculous, but its a slight on my credibility if i ignore it.
dirty steve
Veteran
not done with you b-wagon. how much clearer do i have to make it, you wear titans gear, you arent a Texans fan. period.
i wore oilers gear when they played here. i once wore a jamal anderson when i was living in savannah, georgia when we had no NFL entry. but ever since we got our team back, i have worn nothing but Texans gear. get off your high horse.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Are you the man law guy ? I personally don't care what he wears ... as long as he wears something .
R
real
Guest
I think it's so funny how they jumped on him for having a Titans jersey on.....
LOL@ them for trying to dictate a grown man's wardrobe.....
dirty steve
Veteran
not trying to tell him what to wear, just dont tell me you are a Texans fan if you are sporting a TITANS vy jersey.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
Apparently I've slighted the judge, jury, and executioner of NFL Fandom. Or i've offended your delicate sensibilities. Your raving and judgements have been duly noted. Im Still a Texans Fan. I'd suggest you deal with it.
Texan Asylum
Hall of Fame
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kcwilson
Rookie
Man laws... ahh, priceless.
I was about to shoot myself for reading as much of the thread about jersey wearing as I did, until I read this post. This line was easily worth the price of admission to this ride.
Well done.
Let me add my two cents on this. From what I've heard, the Texans will draft Texas college players, not Texas Longhorn college players. The last regime did not trust Mack Brown's reports on his own players. That was straight out of the last GM's mouth. (Of course they did draft Sloan Thomas so I guess that says something about CC or maybe that pick turned him off Texas players)
No final decision has been made about Carr. But part of the reason Kubiak got the job was because he agreed to turn Carr into an NFL playoff QB. Now that the evidence is pointing the other way, I believe Smith and Kubiak can sway Mr. McNair in the offseason. I do know that there are plenty of people inside the organization who believe Carr won't be back.
The draft and make up of the team is always ebb and flow. The final decision on Mario Williams wasn't made until 3 days before the draft.
If you're looking for opinion, I believe Carr won't be back. Rosenfels will be the starter and the Texans will use one of their picks on a QB to be groomed. I do wish Carr well though. He really is a stand up guy who has a great arm and nice touch. He also works very hard at his job and truely cares about the Texans and winning. He just has a little problem reading defenses, fumbling and finding open receivers.
No final decision has been made about Carr. But part of the reason Kubiak got the job was because he agreed to turn Carr into an NFL playoff QB. Now that the evidence is pointing the other way, I believe Smith and Kubiak can sway Mr. McNair in the offseason. I do know that there are plenty of people inside the organization who believe Carr won't be back.
The draft and make up of the team is always ebb and flow. The final decision on Mario Williams wasn't made until 3 days before the draft.
If you're looking for opinion, I believe Carr won't be back. Rosenfels will be the starter and the Texans will use one of their picks on a QB to be groomed. I do wish Carr well though. He really is a stand up guy who has a great arm and nice touch. He also works very hard at his job and truely cares about the Texans and winning. He just has a little problem reading defenses, fumbling and finding open receivers.