Specnatz
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Wow you are only giving a one year window for a QB to turn into Peyton Manning, Joe Montanna, Steve young and Dan Marino all rolled into one. That makes perfect illogical sense.
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Wow you are only giving a one year window for a QB to turn into Peyton Manning, Joe Montanna, Steve young and Dan Marino all rolled into one. That makes perfect illogical sense.
Good points...I'm just not convinced Rosenfels is the guy, and without the benefit of a consistent pass protection, at least Carr is mobile.
The money angle is what kills the deal of logically keeping him, tho'...
It's a very good point, and from a public relations pov, they are going to have egg on their face no matter what they do.
If rumors are true about McNair's role in keeping DC, I'm just not sure that he'll let the QB go without some kind of compensation. I'm not seeing decisions being made by our FO based solely on sound football judgements the past few years, especially if it's a case of the owner being directly involved with the process.
That's why I think there is a good chance that DC return to compete for the job in TC, simply because the owner won't let him go for whatever reason(s).
These are great points, and like I mentioned with t'kyss' post, the money thing is where logic is thrown out the window.
I guess if the battle plan is a solid running game & dominant defense, we could go that route with a number of mediocre QBs and save some cap space to build that kind of team.
But the assets that Carr brings - his toughness and mobility - might still give him an advantage without the benefit of a proven offensive line. This has been one of our big weaknesses from day one, and a mediocre QB that can't escape might suffer the same fate (or worse) that Carr has for five seasons.
If there were plenty of QB choices to make (not including rookie prospects), I'd be more convinced that Carr will not be here. But looking at the current market, we've got slim pickings at best. We won't get an upgrade, outside of the money angle.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
I'll just repeat what I put in another thread
Actually, I think there is no chance he will be here in 2007. There is no way the coaches and GM are going into a season with Carr. You can't carry a guy who has been called out by teammates and has been openly floated as trade bait all off-season. He isn't in their plans at all. If there is anything certain to me right now it is that Sage is the starter, they are looking to draft a young guy and that they will pick up a backup along the way. Either way, it will be a 1-2 year training ground for the new guy. I prefer to take a guy in the 2nd or 3rd(Kolb or Stanton) instead of Quinn. I've said this many times now, we are at the point where you part ways and hope both parties do really well. The marriage itself here, though, is beyond repair and is hurting those left behind. I understand that there is Carr love out there but I really don't get how anyone can objectively look at the situation the whole organization and team is in right now and think Carr being back would be positive in any way, shape or form.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
agreed. so because Carr got too long of a leash we can't give our next QB prospect any leash at all? that is the same flawed logic that says we cant take a QB this year because we passed on QB and resigned Carr last year...
if you dont admit your mistakes and learn from history, you are bound to repeat them over and over
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
totally agree...the guy is as good as gone...enjoy the Arena League forums, Carr fans....don't let door hit you in your arse
Can you provide links to where he is openly floated as trade bait or "teammates" calling him out? Neither has happened. Of course lets not let truth into the mix.
The Organization from day one has said they are going to bring in a veteran QB to push Carr. So when they bring in Ramsey all the sudden then Carr is being "cut"? 1+1=5 must be the rationale.
Only player to say anything close to calling out Carr is Moulds after he was release, which is not suprising given the local media has went on a rampage to eliminate Carr, because he made the Texans pass on VY, much like Hitler tried to eliminate all Jews.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
You are kidding right?Have you been away on business?
Dunta Robinson
''I've been with David Carr for three years, and it just hasn't gotten the job done for us,'' he said. ''We haven't been able to win games. We haven't been able to get over that hump, and that's the reason why he was drafted. It's one of those business situation where you hate to see a guy like that go but it's probably best for the team if it does happen.''
This was on Cold Pizza on ESPN and was repeated in the Chronicle...here is the quote in the Justice blog
http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2007/03/notes_on_the_lo.html
Here is ex-Texan Moulds:
When asked about playing with Carr he said "saying that at some point "the quarterback has to show that he can carry (the team)."
Other players have had words concerning Carr too, including Gary Walker, who got into it with Carr while leaving the field one game.
Both Smith and Kubiak have said that if something better comes along then they would "upgrade." They have been taking calls about him and dangling him for draft picks. What does that say about your standing when the team announces that you are their "better than nothing."(my quote).
If you think Moulds and Dunta are the only ones you are fooling yourself. Right now this isn't a "team." Would it really make sense to keep sticking with the same thing?
So one player said he would hate to see it happen. Wow, I guess that makes all sorts of "teamates". Moulds never said it as a teamate, he said it as a guy that was pissed he just got cut and spouts off.
Also where are the links from the organization that they are shopping Carr? They have said 2 things in realtion to Carr. 1. We are trying to get a veteran in to challenge him. 2. Amidst all the internet rumors they said a couple of teams called and they told them they will not give him away.
FYI, not saying it will or won't happen. Just saying people are running of the deep end with ever made up rumor or "smokescreen" out there.
football freak
Noob
guess you work out of the country and just got in. Dunta made his remarks before Moulds did. Even the owner said they would upgrade anywhere they could.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
Sharper called out Carr (sent packing)
Glenn called out Carr (sent packing)
Walker called out Carr (sent packing)
Dunta called out Carr
Moulds called out Carr (sent packing)
btw, this was all public. how many have had made comments BEHIND the scenes? AJ didn't exactly give Carr a ringing endorsement when Ramsey came to town. next time you open your mouth about facts you may want to double check them.
also fwiw, I may make a lot of incendiary comments but I would never in a million years equate us passing on Young to Hitler's attempted genocide of the Jews. you may want to dial it down a bit on the Carr Homer Dial.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
One player?Dunta is the leader of the defense and one of their top players. Do you really think that makes for a good locker room and that no other players think the same thing?What about Gary Walker..that I put in the earlier thread..most of it is out there.
As for the GM..enjoy
http://www.texansrock.com/More-David-Carr-Talk-Quotes-From-The-GM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/4575330.html
"Right now? Yes. He is our starting quarterback, and we're excited about him improving in this offense," Smith said Thursday at the NFL draft combine.
But does "right now" infer that he is going to be traded?
"That's the truth," Smith said. "I'm saying that that is a possibility.
"Stars have to line up correctly and the value has to be there, but we're going to improve our football team anyway that we can do so.
"If that includes some type of trade, then we'll entertain that. That does not mean that we're going to do that absolutely, but we'll entertain it. If I'm saying right now and you draw an inference (that Carr might be traded) from that, then you are correct."
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
ok, now you spout out more false information. Moulds asked to be released and Smith obliged him. Moulds was not pissed to leave...quite the contrary.
once again, you may want to check your facts before you open your mouth it only further sullies your weak case re: David Carr.
football freak
Noob
maybe you should just admit you haven't been keeping up
Specnatz
Hall of Fame
You can have him for a 4th round pick and the swap of 2nd and 3rd round picks.
GP
Go Texans!
I can deal with Carr being gone.
I can deal with Sage starting (although I think he's not nearly good enough to be the true starter).
But I CANNOT deal with Brady Quinn as our first round selection. Period.
You guys are to be applauded for your "We need to get rid of David Carr," and your "David Carr is holding this team back" rhetoric.
Well done. You're getting your way, and I have to say that I have changed my mind...I have been in support of trading David for a couple of months now. I see what you have been trying to get me to see.
But that does NOT, and should NOT, mean that we can select Brady Quinn and think that the issue at QB is going to resolve itself.
Drafting Brady Quinn is a mistake. As much of a mistake as drafting David Carr. It's the same thing.
You can say that Brady has some sort of advantage over David in terms of where they start from. Whatever.
They're the same guy.
And if Quinn is selected, then whoever the poster is that said that McNair passed on Vince Young because McNair is possibly against having a black QB...well, that poster just might be right. I shrugged it off at first, but drafting Quinn will tell me that this organization is interested in LOOKS and APPEARANCES.
I've rah-rah'ed this team's bone-headed moves, even when I felt it was a bad move. I've stood up and been a team guy the whole time. But drafting Quinn will be the last straw for me. It seriously will.
There is now way in Lubbock this team ought to draft Brady Quinn with its first round pick.
Get rid of Carr? Fine by me.
Draft Quinn? Let's just say I will visit this board from time to time as a former Texans fan to see how much hatred you can spew at Quinn just as it was dished out to his look-a-like (David Carr). It'll be the same old tired debate all over again: "Bad QB has to go."
Brady f'in Quinn.
Sheesh.........I can only hope this rumor doesn't come true.
I can deal with Sage starting (although I think he's not nearly good enough to be the true starter).
But I CANNOT deal with Brady Quinn as our first round selection. Period.
You guys are to be applauded for your "We need to get rid of David Carr," and your "David Carr is holding this team back" rhetoric.
Well done. You're getting your way, and I have to say that I have changed my mind...I have been in support of trading David for a couple of months now. I see what you have been trying to get me to see.
But that does NOT, and should NOT, mean that we can select Brady Quinn and think that the issue at QB is going to resolve itself.
Drafting Brady Quinn is a mistake. As much of a mistake as drafting David Carr. It's the same thing.
You can say that Brady has some sort of advantage over David in terms of where they start from. Whatever.
They're the same guy.
And if Quinn is selected, then whoever the poster is that said that McNair passed on Vince Young because McNair is possibly against having a black QB...well, that poster just might be right. I shrugged it off at first, but drafting Quinn will tell me that this organization is interested in LOOKS and APPEARANCES.
I've rah-rah'ed this team's bone-headed moves, even when I felt it was a bad move. I've stood up and been a team guy the whole time. But drafting Quinn will be the last straw for me. It seriously will.
There is now way in Lubbock this team ought to draft Brady Quinn with its first round pick.
Get rid of Carr? Fine by me.
Draft Quinn? Let's just say I will visit this board from time to time as a former Texans fan to see how much hatred you can spew at Quinn just as it was dished out to his look-a-like (David Carr). It'll be the same old tired debate all over again: "Bad QB has to go."
Brady f'in Quinn.
Sheesh.........I can only hope this rumor doesn't come true.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
haha. you had me until you said you would stop supporting the team if they drafted B.Quinn. I havent agreed with very much the organization has done over the course of these last 5 years but I would never stop being a fan of a team if they drafted a universally high rated QB at slot #8.
Bottom line is that you have to draft a talented QB in order to compete at the highest level consistently. Because there arent a lot of talented QBs period, well they tend to go in the 1st Round. There are a few exceptions of Super Bowl QBs not being drafted in the 1st Round but 9 times out of 10 your 'franchise QB' was selected in the 1st Round. Look at the Hall Of Fame QBs out there. How many were not selected in the 1st Round? Not that many.
Listen, I am totally against them having to pay to move up 2 slots to get Quinn. However, if Quinn falls to our lap at #8 or even Russell falls to our lap at #8 we need to take a chance and draft them. There is just too much value in getting a Top1 or 2 QB prospect coming out of college at #8. This aint the 1st overall pick yall. It is the #8. If we truly turn things around we wont be drafting #8 or earlier for a few years. Now is the time to pay the price for the future.
Quinn is a cerebral QB who has a good work ethic and knows how to deal with pressure both on and off the field. Is he a Elway or Manning like prospect? Probably not, he is somewhat shorter than you would like and his arm strength is not legendary like Russells. But he is a possible franchise Qb and they dont grow on trees as the last 5 years have told us. Either Quinn or Russell would be a total bargain at #8. Of that there is no doubt and you would have all the national media on your side for once. After all, we know how much ESPN hates our little podunk town :rollseyes:
TEXANRED
Texan-American
You had me on your side, you had me thinking this was a good post with solid thinking, then you turned it into "McNair don't want no black QB" shpeal.
He passed on Cutler and, the better QB in last years draft, Leinart. Those guys are just as pasty white as I last I checked.
houstonhurricane
Veteran
Pretty pathetic attempt to blame this on racism of all things. Mr. McNair is one of the classiest folks you can imagine and your comment just proves your ignorance on this, and most likely many other topics.
michael123
Practice Squad
Ok bro first u will need to take a chill pill, second why in the blue hell are u comparing looks to actual gameplay ur an 1diot. who says u have to be an UGLY QB to succed in the NFL. Also Brady Quinn is a great prospect did u see his private workout you problably didnt still comaparing him to David carr. All his passes were on target he has great Accuracy. I see him as a top QB comparing him to Carson Palmer he has his arm. but not injury prone. If we draft him he will sit down 1 full season like Carson did. Behind a Vet QB such as drew bledsow or i dont know someone like trent green.
Also dont bring the RACE CARD on this topic.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
This is a silly question but are you a Miami Hurricane or did you play for the semi pro team Houston Hurricanes?
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
michael123
Practice Squad
i think you quoted the wrong posti am pretty much on your side on this issue.....
thanks bro fixed
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
remember the old professional soccer team Houston Hurricanes? they were in the league with the Cosmos and Rowdies and stuff. They actually played in the Astrodome if anyone can remember that far back. If memory serves me they left our market after the Oil Glut and fled to Dallas.
ok im kinda old..i admit it
i actually wanted our NFL team to be named the Houston Hurricanes. Luckily we didnt with the Katrina disaster...that would have been a PR nightmare
TEXANRED
Texan-American
remember the old professional soccer team Houston Hurricanes? they were in the league with the Cosmos and Rowdies and stuff. They actually played in the Astrodome if anyone can remember that far back. If memory serves me they left our market after the Oil Glut and fled to Dallas.
ok im kinda old..i admit it
i actually wanted our NFL team to be named the Houston Hurricanes. Luckily we didnt with the Katrina disaster...that would have been a PR nightmare
Never really been much of a soccer fan. I have tried but its kinda like hockey to me, just a bunch of back and forth with an occasional goal.
I heard its pretty popular overseas.
Silver Oak
All Pro
possibly the dumbest post ever.
good luck in Life pal. blaming racism for every ill you perceive ought to really take you places in this world.
TexanFan881
All Pro
lol for my fantasy football team every year I took my favorite NFL team and college team and made one name: Houston Hurricanes. I thought it was catchy. I didn't know there was a team called the Houston Hurricanes...
TEXANRED
Texan-American
lol for my fantasy football team every year I took my favorite NFL team and college team and made one name: Houston Hurricanes. I thought it was catchy. I didn't know there was a team called the Houston Hurricanes...
Way back in the day. Just semi-pro stuff. They were pretty good.
Remember when NBC lost there rights to broadcast football? Well NBC, before XFL, tried putting together another football league, the ground work got laid and I think they may have even played a few games but the league folded. The owner of the Hurricanes was supposed to incorp his team with that league but then got shafted.
I was playing for the Houston Buccaneers at that time so we lost some players to the Hurricanes.
Man, looking back on those days, each one of us was sure a scout or agent would notice one of us. Odds are slim, you don't get paid, you buy all your own equipment, pay for your own rooms when traveling, use your car. I miss those days.
PapaL
Loose Screw
lol for my fantasy football team every year I took my favorite NFL team and college team and made one name: Houston Hurricanes. I thought it was catchy. I didn't know there was a team called the Houston Hurricanes...
Things I've learned in this thread:
Phone number for 610AM
Aj. tracks Carr's devlopment by the growth of his child (as do I - DC is losing)
ESPNZone is good in 2 other cities
NFLforHer has taught me to count to 4.
Texans will win the SB, soon.
Florida is the Sunshine State (Thanks bad)
California is the Golden State (Thanks bad)
McClain still is not the owner, Thanks TK.
Meet a fellow Texans fan (WaywardTexanFan) that also lives in MD (very similiar stories also)
Texan_in_Japan is now in Germany.
WaywardTexanFan has a sick child.
Lots of us do nothing at work on Fridays.
TexanSam has a funny signature.
gpshafer_1976 does not like Brady Quinn and will stop following the team is Quinn is drafted.
There was a Houston Hurricane soccer team, once upon a time.
As some say we should close this thread? This has been the most insightful thread we've had in a long time.
899th post and DC is still a Texan.
Specnatz
Hall of Fame
Great Post very funny.
WaywardTexanFan
Waterboy
To funny PaPal... It's a virtual TailGate Party
houstonhurricane
Veteran
Red,
I am a Miami Hurricane and have never heard of the Houston Hurricanes; however, I would have been a fan of the team had I been here!
On a side note, my wife is a ND alum, so I agree with you..."just say no to Brady!"
TEXANRED
Texan-American
Best, post, ever.
freedoggy77
Waterboy
why is carr not gone
What the hell are you talking about? Once again what? I asked for proof not the RS said "right now" means he will be cut soon crap. Really you should learn what the hell you are talking about before you make generalizations about people. That is usually the language of bigots.
Because I ask for proof that makes me a Carr Homer? Try a realist. I do not recall Sharper or Glenn calling out Carr at all, let alone before they were released. I may be wrong but let us see the proof. Provide a link and is all I asked and yet have never recieved. I would love to see it, honestly.
TexanFan881
All Pro
Considering nothing will probably come out for awhile, this will probably be the longest thread in the history of the board. The Moulds thread got a little over 100 pages over a week...imagine how many pages this one will have over a month...
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Chuck Norris does not allow an anti Chuck Norris. He travels back in time to fix the glitch. He is a tireless perfectionist.
GP
Go Texans!
On the "race" aspect, I qualified my statement with the possibility that I am wrong. I never out and out said "He's racist."
If he were, we'd have zero players of any race other than caucasian.
So please spare me the drama on that one.
I said that I shrugged off the poster's comments that says we passed on VY because of race...but I can no longer understand why we'd pass on a bonified, game-changing, national championship winning, highlight reel making QB such as VY....only to then select David Carr's twin brother.
I'm running out of fresh ideas as to how and why this is all a possibility (drafting Quinn). So; therefore; I have to conclude that McNair likes someone who fits one or more of these qualifications: (1) Someone who looks good to whom he considers to be a target audience, (2) Someone who works out well but hasn't won anything of significance.
All this belly-aching about David Carr and how he "has to go," and now we're actually seeing the same people rationalize that Brady Quinn is different. Listen to yourselves, "Is he an Elway or Montana? Probably not, BUT..."
But NOTHING. In you guys' rush to get rid of David Carr, you're actually OK with the thought of Quinn as our future QB.
That doesn't set us back a year or two, as he sits down to develop, as some of you propose. It sets us back another five years as we stumble and bumble and try to wonder why the great Notre Dame QB named Brady Quinn didn't work out. It's pretty simple: He's just like David Carr.
He looks good.
He works out well.
He has a great work ethic.
Repeat those three things to yourselves, over and over, and tell me who that sounds like.
Looks Good.
Works out well.
Great work ethic.
Same story, different name.
(sigh)
Go Texans (hand over mouth, making that wet fart noise)!
TexanSam
Hall of Fame
So you said in a previous post that if we draft Brady Quinn you'll stop being a Texans fan. So let me ask you this. What if you're wrong and Brady Quinn becomes an elite QB in the NFL?
GP
Go Texans!
I'm pretty sure that's not going to happen (Brady becoming an elite QB).
Therefore, it's something I would be willing to risk.
Looks good.
Works out well.
Great work ethic.
Just follow those three statements, and it'll lead you to the land of truth and understanding.
Brady Quinn is David Carr in-the-making.
If he can somehow pull off a big bowl win before the draft, against a good team, then I'll sign onto the Quinn hype machine. But I think I've seen all I want to see.
Rick Smith said, in a genuine 100% media outlet, that we were not going to move up.
I hope he's sticking with that.
dirty steve
Veteran
so what do you propose, except for trashing Carr? draft somebody else...wait until next year...try to lure Plummer from his "retirement?" i'd love to hear something other than carr + 5 years = quinn.
BTW-- i'm pretty sure tom brady wasnt going to work out for NE when he was drafted in the 6th round, and last time i checked you have exaclty zero experience as coach, executive, or scout on the professional. your "pretty sure" opinion means exactly nothing.
i'm waiting for something...
freedoggy77
Waterboy
whatever the reason, I don't want Quinn. I much prefer Landry in order to build a very good defense. Then if we dump Carr we pick up Kolb/Stanton and have them sit while Sage starts
El Amigo Invisible
Rookie
Dear Texans,
Please do not draft me. I am too good looking to die.
Brady Quinn
Please do not draft me. I am too good looking to die.
Brady Quinn
Kaiser Toro
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To go from Derek Zoolander to Hansel is not that much of a difference. Really, really, realy good looking on the outside and intelligent model on the inside.
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