Texans Sign Ahman Green

[CowboysTexansFan]

I like this signing. If Green stays healthy, he will really help the team next year.

As an aside, I don't understand why so many of you are down on Moulds. He was the best #2 receiver we ever had, and his presence contributed to the fine season AJ had. Moulds was also a good leader in the locker room.

While he had "only" 57 receptions last season, which was low for him, he also played with one of the worst QB's in the league. What did some of you guys expect Moulds to do, throw the passes to himself?

 

[Hervoyel]

Thank god you were here to finally tell me what's wrong with me...

I think Green is a marginal (read; slight) upgrade over Dayne, but a good compliment to Dayne...

No problem man, I'm there for you, just don't pick the pipe back up.

Seriously I understand that when you look at Green's career and set it alongside what Ron Dayne has done it's a gross mismatch in favor of Green. That's impossible to deny and I'm not trying to convince anyone of it.

What I am trying to say is that each one of those yards that Green fans want to point to and be proud of is a yard he ain't going to run for as a Texan. The man has 8500 yards on him and his last two seasons ypc (3.3 and 4.0) have been the lowest totals in his long career. This is not something that improves with additional years.

Dayne on the other hand has never been used properly and for us that's a good thing because he needs to be fed the ball heavily to be successful. Nobody has done that to him since he got to the NFL (coincidentally at the same time Tiki Barber emerged). Now we could do it but of course we won't. We'll be splitting time with Ahman Green (if we even sign Dayne at all) and neither one of them will be effective. Green because he's on the downside and Dayne because he's getting 10-12 carries a game and can't get going.

This signing in my opinion hurts the Texans. Once the 2007 season is over I'll be around to gripe about it. Green probably won't though. He'll go the way of Eric Moulds and Stacy Mack. Riding off into the sunset with his signing bonus in hand and a big grin on his face.

 

[dirty steve]

This is supposed to be about Ahman Green, I know, but I had to respond to this. Let me get this right. You, as a GM of a rebuilding/building team would trade to a divisional rival, your first draft picks in the next 2 years for a defensive end on the downside of his career. Did I understand that right? Wow.

i agree with everything except for saying freeney is over the hill, unless there is a new definition of it.

 

[David's Busted Carr]

Well, if nothing else he gives us a NAME that other teams with have to respect. With his track record other teams will at least have to gameplan some for him.

With Dayne, Lundy and friends they just laughed during meetings and said, OK so about that Andre Johnson....

 

[Texans_Chick]

Link

This is the presser from the Texans website that occured prior to the signing. Minor highlighting by me:

Free agent running back Ahman Green spoke to Houston media on Sunday after visiting with Texans officials.

(on the visit to Houston) “The visit went well. Everything I expected right off the plane. I remember when I was at Texas; they do everything big down here. It’s a big state of Texas. I enjoyed myself last night at the game (Rockets game) and I’ve been enjoying myself. It’s kind of taking a step back and taking everything in from meeting the coaches and seeing the facility.”

(on teams not letting potential free agents go and the hard sell) “It has to be there. It’s just the nature of our business. It’s the nature of everything going on in free agency. I went to Denver first and then came here. I was talking to my agent and it’s been a good overwhelming feeling because I’ve been two places, Denver and here, where they definitely want me. I felt that when I talked to the coaches and I talked to the players. I’ve known (T) Ephraim (Salaam) for a while and I talked to him while I was here last night and it’s definitely some of the things I’m looking for. That family atmosphere where everybody knows each other, kids, moms, dads, stuff like that and with that, that’s what makes a team successful. I know Houston is in the early stages of their development and it’s been rough at the beginning, but this is an organization that is making the steps to get to that respectable level in the NFL.”

(on if he’s looking for a long term deal or just the right situation) “That is not my job; my job is to play football. My agent is definitely doing that stuff with Rick Smith, the GM here. I’m just looking for a situation where I feel comfortable around the players and the coaches where I can be myself. Come down here and just play football and have fun. That is what I’m looking for.”

(on if he feels like he’s out of Green Bay) “No, I don’t feel like that. That’s where the majority of my career is at. I think speaking in general with anybody that has been in a situation for a long time, regardless of if it was good or bad, I’ve been there seven years. Some good, some bad, but regardless of the fact, staying or leaving will be tough. I don’t know yet, but, I think for anybody generally speaking it would be tough to do. When you’re a kid and you transfer a school, and that school you have all your buddies. Regardless of if it was good times or bad times, it’s still a tough time to leave.”

(on if he has any other visits scheduled) “I did. I have gotten to the point where I have seen enough. I don’t need to venture out anymore. I know a few teams that are disappointed because I did have some visits set up, but from the two teams that I have visited, I don’t need to see anymore.”

(on positives of Houston) “It’s a nice little list. I’ve been here a few times I would say as a guest of Houston in terms of visiting the city and all I’ve seen is good; the neighborhoods, the people, the atmosphere of the town and the weather, you can’t beat that. And then, now meeting the players and the coaches, a few of them I know, Coach (Mike) Sherman as one, and some of the players I have played with, (C) Mike Flanagan, (TE) Ben Steele, (RB) Samkon (Gado), I know (RB) Ron (Dayne) and few of the linemen. (T) Zach (Wiegert) was here, he played for Nebraska, we’re Nebraska boys, and (K) Kris Brown as well. Knowing those guys are here it makes it a little bit easier to have them on my list and to make it to where I can see myself in blue and red. You kind of get that notion; you get that feeling when you come off a plane sometimes. I had the same feeling in Denver, so this is going to be tough for me. But I know one thing, whatever decision I go with is not going to be a bad decision for me or whatever team I’m with. Especially with the team here in Houston, they are young. There are veterans here that have got the leadership behind them and then with someone like myself, the younger guys can definitely latch on because I’m a team player.”

(on if he will make a decision in the next 24 hours) “Possibly. Possibly.”

(on if the quarterback situation in Houston and if he can be ‘the guy’ to carry the offense) “I wouldn’t say ‘the guy,’ but I am definitely a guy that will, if I become a Texan, be part of the mix, because I’ve been watching the Texans since the inception of the whole organization, and being a football fan—not just a player, but for a fan—I know with David (Carr) being the quarterback, he has done his best. He has gone out there and thrown the ball, and as a running back, when you’re watching SportsCenter and it says ‘David Carr has been sacked 100 times in a season’ or some crazy number, I’d have a heart attack. I don’t care if it’s (Green Bay QB) Brett (Favre) or a seventh-round draft pick quarterback in the backfield, it it’s up to me, my quarterback is not getting touched. As a running back, you take it personal. I just feel like now that I have the opportunity where I got to come down here and visit, and if I become a Texan, that’s going to be one of my priorities outside of running the ball and scoring points and making yards, it’s to protect David or whoever is back there throwing the ball. I’ll put it like this: I’m going to be his Kevlar back there stopping the blitz.”

(on if Broncos owner Pat Bowlen sent a plane for him) “Yes he did. It was commercial; American into Denver, which is OK.”

(on flying to Houston on Texans owner Bob McNair’s private plane) “I kind of expected that. In the free agency arena, I expected that. It was kind of a gesture to let you know how serious this team is.”

(on his familiarity with Texans offensive coordinator Mike Sherman) “With that, and the few players that are here, like I said: Flanagan, Ben Steele, Samkon Gado, (FB) Vonta Leach, those guys, and Kris Brown goes all the way back to college. So they can help me possibly adjust to this area, and I don’t think I would have a hard time adjusting to it.”

(on the Rockets game he attended Saturday night) “I didn’t understand that game, because when I was in Denver the night before, (Rockets F Tracy) McGrady had a heck of a game against (Denver F) Carmelo (Anthony) and those guys. When I saw them last night, I said ‘This is definitely not the same team I saw 24 hours ago in Denver.’”

(on whether the Rockets could use him) “I’m just a jumper. I’m not a shooter. I play defense. I’m more like The Worm; I’m like (Dennis) Rodman without all the extracurriculars off the court on that note, but I would be a defender and a rebounder and a dunker, but that’s about it.”

If the RB blocking could be less of an adventure, this would be a good thing for the team.

 

[keyfro]

i can see your point Hervoyel but i just want everyone to keep these two things in mind about the last two season for green...one in 05 he was injuried...and two in 06 he was playing behind an o-line that was starting several rookies in colledge and spitz and i think eventually a third one...they were going through a serious transition period and he saw the new coach towards the end of the season rely on morency more and more...so his numbers of carries went down

i agree that he is on his last wheels but his last wheels might last two more years...i don't see him ever seeing years 3 and 4 of this contract...plus this also gives kubiak another year to build up taylor (who i think he made a mistake on putting him on the practice squad versus lundy) and lundy who kubiak is still high on...if one of these two guys starts to pick up on what kubiak is teaching them they will have the oppurtunity to become stars

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Why do people insist on using stats as the sole basis for their arguments?

Because everything else is pure speculation and wistful thinking. Assuming trends from stats are too but they at least they sound better and more scientific.

 

[Wharton]

I don't agree with this move at all. Running backs just aren't any good after 30.

When you have to ask "does this running back have something left in the tank?", its a bad sign.

I'm getting a little tired of taking Denver and Green Bay's left overs.

 

[Navy_Chris]

Because everything else is pure speculation and wistful thinking. Assuming trends from stats are too but they at least they sound better and more scientific.

I'd much rather just watch a guy play on the field. Let me eyes make the decision for me. i.e. if some RB has great stats in college, it doesn't necessarily mean they'll translate to the NFL.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

If the RB blocking could be less of an adventure, this would be a good thing for the team.

Yeah, I caught that, too. I think blocking was a big factor keeping Lundy and Taylor from the field.

 

[GP]

And from where were we supposed to get the money to sign the almighty BIG name FAs?

Well, when we spend the money by spreading it out to 2 or 3 or 4 players...which we do...then there theoritically WOULD be enough money to lure a SINGLE free agent of IMPACT.

I'm of the belief that you bring in ONE big, impacting, player and draft around him to support him. Others think that you spread it out to a few players--Therefore, we're being cost-effective and managing our money better.

This is why Mario Williams was signed nearly three days before the draft: He was CHEAPER than Reggie and Vince. They tried to get the other two to come down, but they wouldn't. So they said (A) We need a pass rusher, and I believe that we did need one, by the way, and (B) He signed at the right price.

Anything missing here? We signed a player for No. 3 money, but got him at No. 1. We didn't want to get into the Bush-Young price battle that was raging between those two guys...it was an extension of the Heisman outcome and the Rose Bowl outcome...and we stayed out of the way, signing the player who would take what was given to him. Anything missing, here? I think that's a fairly solid theory from all that I have read on the issue.

It's no secret that we overpay average players. It's a pattern. There's an L.A. Clippers mentality to this team's FO. Manage, manage, manage. Gotta' be sensible in every way. Abd that philosophy leaks into our players' attitudes and the performance we see on the field: Manage, manage, manage. No risk taking. No creativity. It's a virus, guys.

Good is the enemy of GREAT.

We signed an elderly man to our team last year, Eric Moulds, and the reaction was the same as it is today with the AHman Green thread: "This is a good signing." or "It makes sense" or "Now we have a solid player to add a new dimension to our team" or blah-blah-blah.

I don't want to sell the farm for Nate Clements-type contracts. That is ignorant on every level, IMO. But I think we can do better than spreading it out to several players.

We could have so many draft picks, it'd be crazy. We could have traded out of the No. 1 last year for an extra pick or two. We could trade our No. 8 for extra picks. We could trade DC for a pick, even if it's lower than needed.

Spend our money on an IMPACT free agent, and then draft around him for the future.

Again, this is just my opinion. It's what I believe to be better than the previous five years of what we've BEEN doing.

 

[Errant Hothy]

I don't agree with this move at all. Running backs just aren't any good after 30.

When you have to ask "does this running back have something left in the tank?", its a bad sign.

I'm getting a little tired of taking Denver and Green Bay's left overs.

A gift from Bob at www.houstonprofootball.com

RBs over 30 and their production

Just by random searches:

Marcus Allen did it five times: 1991, 92, 95, 96, 97.
Thurman Thomas four times: 1997, 98, 99, 2000.
Walter Payton three times: 1984, 85, 86.
Tiki Barber twice: 2005, 06 (over 5.0 both years).
Emmitt Smith twice: 1999, 2000.
Franco Harris twice: 1981, 82.
Eric Dickerson once: 1990.
Priest Holmes once: 2004.
Barry Sanders once: 1998.
Terry Allen once: 1998.
John Riggins once: 1979.
O.J. Simpson once: 1977.

That must have been some other stat you heard.

Fred Taylor and Warrick Dunn have also done it.

 

[Errant Hothy]

Well, when we spend the money by spreading it out to 2 or 3 or 4 players...which we do...then there theoritically WOULD be enough money to lure a SINGLE free agent of IMPACT.

I'm of the belief that you bring in ONE big, impacting, player and draft around him to support him. Others think that you spread it out to a few players--Therefore, we're being cost-effective and managing our money better.

This is why Mario Williams was signed nearly three days before the draft: He was CHEAPER than Reggie and Vince. They tried to get the other two to come down, but they wouldn't. So they said (A) We need a pass rusher, and I believe that we did need one, by the way, and (B) He signed at the right price.

Anything missing here? We signed a player for No. 3 money, but got him at No. 1. We didn't want to get into the Bush-Young price battle that was raging between those two guys...it was an extension of the Heisman outcome and the Rose Bowl outcome...and we stayed out of the way, signing the player who would take what was given to him. Anything missing, here? I think that's a fairly solid theory from all that I have read on the issue.

It's no secret that we overpay average players. It's a pattern. There's an L.A. Clippers mentality to this team's FO. Manage, manage, manage. Gotta' be sensible in every way. Abd that philosophy leaks into our players' attitudes and the performance we see on the field: Manage, manage, manage. No risk taking. No creativity. It's a virus, guys.

Good is the enemy of GREAT.

We signed an elderly man to our team last year, Eric Moulds, and the reaction was the same as it is today with the AHman Green thread: "This is a good signing." or "It makes sense" or "Now we have a solid player to add a new dimension to our team" or blah-blah-blah.

I don't want to sell the farm for Nate Clements-type contracts. That is ignorant on every level, IMO. But I think we can do better than spreading it out to several players.

We could have so many draft picks, it'd be crazy. We could have traded out of the No. 1 last year for an extra pick or two. We could trade our No. 8 for extra picks. We could trade DC for a pick, even if it's lower than needed.

Spend our money on an IMPACT free agent, and then draft around him for the future.

Again, this is just my opinion. It's what I believe to be better than the previous five years of what we've BEEN doing.

So who's teh big name you wanted to sign for just 5 mil this year (5 mil was about the amount of cap space we had at the start of FA)?

And I don't totally disagree with you, I just looked at FA this year as not a year we would be able to make any big signings. Next year should be a completly different story.

 

[TwinSisters]

(on if Broncos owner Pat Bowlen sent a plane for him) “Yes he did. It was commercial; American into Denver, which is OK.”

(on flying to Houston on Texans owner Bob McNair’s private plane) “I kind of expected that. In the free agency arena, I expected that. It was kind of a gesture to let you know how serious this team is.”

ahhh... note to self. Log Bob's private jet routes.

 

[DL Currey]

Is this final and what do you think my fellow Texans...

IMO-I'm in favor of his signing. I also liked his comment about "taking it personal" if his QB got hit.

as a running back, when you’re watching SportsCenter and it says ‘David Carr has been sacked 100 times in a season’ or some crazy number, I’d have a heart attack. I don’t care if it’s (Green Bay QB) Brett (Favre) or a seventh-round draft pick quarterback in the backfield, it it’s up to me, my quarterback is not getting touched. As a running back, you take it personal.

 

[bckey]

No problem man, I'm there for you, just don't pick the pipe back up.

Seriously I understand that when you look at Green's career and set it alongside what Ron Dayne has done it's a gross mismatch in favor of Green. That's impossible to deny and I'm not trying to convince anyone of it.

What I am trying to say is that each one of those yards that Green fans want to point to and be proud of is a yard he ain't going to run for as a Texan. The man has 8500 yards on him and his last two seasons ypc (3.3 and 4.0) have been the lowest totals in his long career. This is not something that improves with additional years.

Dayne on the other hand has never been used properly and for us that's a good thing because he needs to be fed the ball heavily to be successful. Nobody has done that to him since he got to the NFL (coincidentally at the same time Tiki Barber emerged). Now we could do it but of course we won't. We'll be splitting time with Ahman Green (if we even sign Dayne at all) and neither one of them will be effective. Green because he's on the downside and Dayne because he's getting 10-12 carries a game and can't get going.

This signing in my opinion hurts the Texans. Once the 2007 is over I'll be around to gripe about it. Green probably won't though. He'll go the way of Eric Moulds and Stacy Mack. Riding off into the sunset with his signing bonus in hand and a big grin on his face.

I agree on all points.

 

[TexanBorn51]

IMO-I'm in favor of his signing. I also liked his comment about "taking it personal" if his QB got hit.

as a running back, when you’re watching SportsCenter and it says ‘David Carr has been sacked 100 times in a season’ or some crazy number, I’d have a heart attack. I don’t care if it’s (Green Bay QB) Brett (Favre) or a seventh-round draft pick quarterback in the backfield, it it’s up to me, my quarterback is not getting touched. As a running back, you take it personal.

Yeah I'm agreeing with you too. It appears that AG has not only running talents and good hands receiver but his blocking has been known to be very good too. By the way on my earlier post about comparing RB rushing stats and if the receving yardage is included in this or not. A RB with many more receiving stats then another would then apply vs his rushing stats..right?

 

[TwinSisters]

A gift from Bob at www.houstonprofootball.com

RBs over 30 and their production

Fred Taylor and Warrick Dunn have also done it.

Did what?

I don't understand this stat line.
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EDIT: ok. So it's 4.0 yards per carry I think.

Two things:
Age doesn't matter as much as years played.

Years played does not matter as much as attempts/plays per year.

It's the hitting that tears a body up fast, not the sitting around and getting old.

A lot of those guys in that list did not play full seasons or had more than 200 attempts on the avg
Franco 82 in his 11th season.

Green is heading into his 10th season.

 

[run-david-run]

I dont think this signing affects AD's potential drafting. Think Anthony Weaver before drafting Mario, but this would be at a much lower cost. Low risk, potentially high reward. I like it.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

I'd much rather just watch a guy play on the field. Let me eyes make the decision for me. i.e. if some RB has great stats in college, it doesn't necessarily mean they'll translate to the NFL.

Most people don't get to see everyone play. All they're able to do is read the stat-line and see the highlights on ESPN.

Ahman Green has always struck me as a power version of Bryan Westbrook (before there was a Westbrook). He's a stronger runner but he's really good out of the backfield catching passes. I have not watched him much the past couple of years but a few years ago, he was really good but he didn't put up big stats. So... this would be the kind of guy you'd like.

But I haven't watched him much since coming back from his injuries. If the Packers guys say he's come back strong, then great. His age still worries me. If we can get a couple of good years from him, I'll be very happy.

 

[GP]

So who's teh big name you wanted to sign for just 5 mil this year (5 mil was about the amount of cap space we had at the start of FA)?

And I don't totally disagree with you, I just looked at FA this year as not a year we would be able to make any big signings. Next year should be a completly different story.

I know we don't have the money this year. We've never had it, IIRC.

So I have absolutely no confidence that we WILL have it in the future. For some reason, we're just doomed as it pertains to signing free agents.

Something will happen to derail us from having that much needed cap space next year. Mark my words. It's going to happen.

We got a "bargain," but we can probably also expect to be less than thrilled for our "bargain."

The abounding positivity for this deal is amazing. It's an "eh" signing for me, nowhere near the "good signing" that I see plastered all over the place. I'm 95% of the time a very positive person. Last year I would have been thrilled with this move, but I am soured on it because it never benefits us in the long run.

 

[TEXANRED]

No problem man, I'm there for you, just don't pick the pipe back up.

Seriously I understand that when you look at Green's career and set it alongside what Ron Dayne has done it's a gross mismatch in favor of Green. That's impossible to deny and I'm not trying to convince anyone of it.

What I am trying to say is that each one of those yards that Green fans want to point to and be proud of is a yard he ain't going to run for as a Texan. The man has 8500 yards on him and his last two seasons ypc (3.3 and 4.0) have been the lowest totals in his long career. This is not something that improves with additional years.

Dayne on the other hand has never been used properly and for us that's a good thing because he needs to be fed the ball heavily to be successful. Nobody has done that to him since he got to the NFL (coincidentally at the same time Tiki Barber emerged). Now we could do it but of course we won't. We'll be splitting time with Ahman Green (if we even sign Dayne at all) and neither one of them will be effective. Green because he's on the downside and Dayne because he's getting 10-12 carries a game and can't get going.

This signing in my opinion hurts the Texans. Once the 2007 is over I'll be around to gripe about it. Green probably won't though. He'll go the way of Eric Moulds and Stacy Mack. Riding off into the sunset with his signing bonus in hand and a big grin on his face.

So your saying that despite the fact that Green stays in shape, works hard, and has done nothing but produce on the field, is on the down side of his career due to the fact he came into the league in 98, even though is first two years in Seattle he had 35, and 26 attempts for the season. BUT, Dayne who is a dough nut away from playing Chef in a live action South Park is actually getting better even though he has been in the league since 2000, has proved he is a hot and cold runner, gets injured as a part time back, and runs down field like he is the little pig tailed girl from little house on the prairie in a field of daisy's.

Is that what I am to understand your opinion of the situation is?

2005 Green bay lost both pro-bowl guards and played behind a line that was full of rookies. That was also the season he got hurt and did not fully recover until 2006 where he put together another solid season.

 

[Goldeagle]

Hmmm, another OLD RB to come to the team!

Yet no O-lineman or Defense help???

 

[Texans_Chick]

The abounding positivity for this deal is amazing. It's an "eh" signing for me, nowhere near the "good signing" that I see plastered all over the place. I'm 95% of the time a very positive person. Last year I would have been thrilled with this move, but I am soured on it because it never benefits us in the long run.

I think it is a beggars can't be choosers signing.

Williams/Davis, Gado, Dayne, Taylor, Lundy. Not likely to get Peterson at 8. Ish.

 

[keyfro]

the other thing to keep in mind is ron dayne is still likely to come back next year as well...if we go into training camp with green, williams, dayne, taylor, lundy, and gado...plus you know we'll bring in at least one udfa there will be a lot of competition...take into consideration that DW is probably on the trading block right now...with green here is completely expendable and while there is probably little to no interest out there for him there is a chance that if he restructures his deal we can move him with carr

just think green being the everydown back
dayne coming in for short yardage goalline situations
taylor/lundy/or gado spelling green when he gets tired

this is hands down a lot better of a situation that what we were in last year

atleast with green we don't have to change out RB's for screens and draws like we did with dayne last year

 

[bckey]

A gift from Bob at www.houstonprofootball.com

RBs over 30 and their production

Fred Taylor and Warrick Dunn have also done it.

You didn't state what Bob was talking about which was average more than 4 yards per carry after their 30th birthday. I will also say that is an elite group of running backs. How many achieved 1000 yards while producing over 4 yards per carry average?

The 5 years listed for Marcus Allen not even 1 was 1000 yards or even close.

The 4 years listed for Thurman Thomas only 1 was over 500 yards.

Emmitt Smith was over 1000 yards both seasons.

The 2 years listed for Franco Harris were under 1000 yards.

The 1 year for Eric Dickerson was 677 yards.

Priest Holmes 892 yards.

Barry Sanders was over 1000 yards with 1491 yards. (awesome)

Terry Allen was under 1000 yards with 700 even.

John Riggins was over 1000 yards with 1153.

O. J. Simpson was an underwhelming 557 yards.

Fred Taylor was over 1000 yards with 1146.

Warrick Dunn was over 1000 yards with 1140.


So out of all those backs you have 5 that rushed for more than 1000 yards after age 30 averaging over 4 yds per carry. And only 2 of them (Emmitt Smith and Barry Sanders) blew past 1000 yards by an significant margin.

 

[petedy]

It is a good signing and he is a team player that will contribute to the younger guys experience.His injuries has slowed him down a bit can still add a lot to the team.

 

[Texan Asylum]

This is how I look at this...

As long as we can bring in new blood, and get as far away from the old tradition of losing that's plagued this team for years...the better.

The loyalist in me wishes that the old guard could come along for the ride, but the realist in me realizes that the further we get away from the old team, the better chance we have in cultivating a new tradition here...the tradition of winning at all costs!

 

[jdog]

why is it the Texans only go after Denver/Green Bay players? is it familarity & knowing they're undervalued/appreciated?

makes me think Plummer is next? make that a conditional 2008 draft pick

Free agents don't want to go to an unestablished, losing team unless there's a lot of money involved or some personal connection which is why we get a lot of FA's with Houston/Texas connections or connections to Denver/Green Bay. Moulds was attracted to playing with AJ otherwise we wouldn't have had him. Once we start winning, we can get FA's that aren't connected in some way.

 

[STEEL BLUE TEXANS]

You didn't state what Bob was talking about which was average more than 4 yards per carry after their 30th birthday. I will also say that is an elite group of running backs. How many achieved 1000 yards while producing over 4 yards per carry average?

The 5 years listed for Marcus Allen not even 1 was 1000 yards or even close.

The 4 years listed for Thurman Thomas only 1 was over 500 yards.

Emmitt Smith was over 1000 yards both seasons.

The 2 years listed for Franco Harris were under 1000 yards.

The 1 year for Eric Dickerson was 677 yards.

Priest Holmes 892 yards.

Barry Sanders was over 1000 yards with 1491 yards. (awesome)

Terry Allen was under 1000 yards with 700 even.

John Riggins was over 1000 yards with 1153.

O. J. Simpson was an underwhelming 557 yards.

Fred Taylor was over 1000 yards with 1146.

Warrick Dunn was over 1000 yards with 1140.


So out of all those backs you have 5 that rushed for more than 1000 yards after age 30 averaging over 4 yds per carry. And only 2 of them (Emmitt Smith and Barry Sanders) blew past 1000 yards by an significant margin.

Curtis Martin rushed for 1300+ yards and 4.0 ypc when he was 30. The next season at 31, he rushed for 1697 yards at 4.6 ypc and won the rushing title.

 

[Second Honeymoon]

I think it is a beggars can't be choosers signing.

Williams/Davis, Gado, Dayne, Taylor, Lundy. Not likely to get Peterson at 8. Ish.

Totally. Peterson could end up going #2 to Detroit. Dude is a freak athletically, he is a good guy who has overcome some adversity, and is a total gamer. That is a rare combination indeed. Contrary to popular opinion he has been pretty durable considering the number of touches and even returned kicks for crying out loud. He has gotten dinged but a collarbone injury is no big deal and it was from him getting a little carried away and celebrating by diving into the end zone (which by the way was one of the greatest runs I have seen in the past few years). He is not injury prone he is simply 'coming off an injury.'

I don't think the Texans brass are deluding themselves enough to think they have a chance at AP this year and the signing of Green only reinforces that mindset.

With the signing of Ahman Green now we can focus on addressing our team needs such as QB position or our defensive backfield. I think a lot of you may be surprised by how well Green can do when given the rock. Favre likes to air the ball out. Green's injury only expedited his diminishing role in the GB offense.

Barring injury Green will get upwards of 1000 yards rushing even in a non-featured back role. If we feed him I think we could milk 1300+ out of him this year.

Call me optimistic but I am actually a happy Texans fan today....kudos to Smith...one position down now bring us Deon Grant

 

[Texas_Thrill]

I wasn't able to read all 12 pages of this thread but am I the ONLY one that doesn't like this Signing?

I think Dayne though not spectacular was very efficient. Green seems to be well past his prime. I don't see any good coming from him.

Is it me or is this the Cardinals version of Edge James?


I'm sorry just dont like it. Seems like a signing just to say we did something. I'd still rather see Taylor get some time and now he's even further down the depth chart.

 

[STEEL BLUE TEXANS]

Corey Dillon had the best season of his career at 30 rushing for 1635 yards at 4.7 ypc.

Mike Anderson at age 32 rushed for 1014 yards at 4.2 ypc.

Priest Holmes at age 30 rushed for 1420 yards at 4.4 ypc.

 

[Second Honeymoon]

I wasn't able to read all 12 pages of this thread but am I the ONLY one that doesn't like this Signing?

I think Dayne though not spectacular was very efficient. Green seems to be well past his prime. I don't see any good coming from him.

Is it me or is this the Cardinals version of Edge James?


I'm sorry just dont like it. Seems like a signing just to say we did something. I'd still rather see Taylor get some time and now he's even further down the depth chart.

It is the Cardinal's version of Edge James except for one HUGE factor. $$$$. We got Green for much less than they gave up for James. That factor alone makes it a worthwhile deal. the ONLY problem I have with Green is his fumbling...especially in key situations...we got enough of that around here with Davey's tired act

 

[Kaiser Toro]

I like this signing very much. 6.5m bonus over 4 years for an accomplished player that had 1,000 yards coming back from an injury is value with potential upside. For once we did not overextend ourselves in FA.

It also sets up nicely in the draft in that it gives us options at #8 with most folks expecting us to go DL, CB or OT at the position, in essence we have leverage due to us being even more of a wild card. Leverage that we did not have before this sigining.

This gives Carr, unfortunately, in my opinion at least four more regular season games. I would rather have the 3.5 million upon his release, but this signing even puts blinders on my judgement to think...ok lets see what he can do with an accomplished NFL RB in the backfield.

If there are more OL FA's out there to provide depth this signing will have folks intrigued rather than apathetic to the state of the Texans.

This is not the greatest signing, but all around I think this is a solid signing with potential upside and not that much risk. Today is a good day to be a Texan.

 

[TwinSisters]

Curtis Martin rushed for 1300+ yards and 4.0 ypc when he was 30. The next season at 31, he rushed for 1697 yards at 4.6 ypc and won the rushing title.

only because Reinfeldt called down to muff Alexander's last rush in a contract year.

 

[valleytexfan]

I like it...gives us something concrete...Green is not a scrub...he can get things done, especially with the familiarity with Sherman. I like the deal. Let's hope we keep Ronnie Dayne too

 

[Pantherstang84]

Well. I have read all 12 pages of this thread and usual, there are two sides to the issue. However, I have to take an exception to one point that keeps coming up.

"A Green is a slight upgrade over Dayne"

Are you kidding me? I mean really.

A proven back that has 5 Pro Bowl appearances is a slight upgrade over a guy that has underachieved his entire career?

True. Green is 30 years old but I think he has more left in the tank. At least another year or 2 left.

Regarding the draft...

Of course, if AP is available at #8, you grab him. ( I don't think he will be though.)

If he isn't, you don't have to burn your #8 on Landry either.

I just watched the DBs and OLs at the Combine on the NFL Network.

Folks. Both positions are deep in this years class. Lots of impressive kids.

One kid that impressed me a DB was out of Nevada. Wright was his name I think. The kid can fly and had very impressive foot work. However, there were a lot of others that raised their draft positions last weekend.


OLs

Very deep. Other than Thomas and some other kid (can't remember his name started with a K) that are expected to go in the 1st round. There were about 10-12 other kids that were impressive.


The Green signing reduced the Texans desperation at RB. If Peterson is gone, they can look to another position maybe Landry. We could potentially pick up 2 good DBs in the draft this year along with some quality OL.

Cheer up sour pusses. Things are looking up in Texan Country!

 

[wilanthony]

Big Mistake. Ag Is Done. Everyone Is Writing Dw Off, But I Know Him Personally And I Know He Will Be Back. His Knee Will Be Just Find. If We Cut Him He Will Play Somewhere Else And Come Back To Bite Us In The Butt.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Big Mistake. Ag Is Done. Everyone Is Writing Dw Off, But I Know Him Personally And I Know He Will Be Back. His Knee Will Be Just Find. If We Cut Him He Will Play Somewhere Else And Come Back To Bite Us In The Butt.

I was a fan of DW, but saying AG is done while DW is not even through with rehab is a tad subjective. If DW were to be cut I would wish him the best.

 

[PapaL]

So your saying that despite the fact that Green stays in shape, works hard, and has done nothing but produce on the field, is on the down side of his career due to the fact he came into the league in 98, even though is first two years in Seattle he had 35, and 26 attempts for the season. BUT, Dayne who is a dough nut away from playing Chef in a live action South Park is actually getting better even though he has been in the league since 2000, has proved he is a hot and cold runner, gets injured as a part time back, and runs down field like he is the little pig tailed girl from little house on the prairie in a field of daisy's.

Is that what I am to understand your opinion of the situation is?

2005 Green bay lost both pro-bowl guards and played behind a line that was full of rookies. That was also the season he got hurt and did not fully recover until 2006 where he put together another solid season.

Great post. Don't forget we took their starting Center as well. 3/5 starting OL gone.

 

[freedoggy77]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6529182

YEAHH!!!!

 

[SamuraiSword]

Why?? if they've got their eyes on AD, and believes we won't take him, they'll know he'll fall past Miami & SanFran... moving up to the 11th pick is a lot easier on the pocket book.

Matter of fact, if AD get's past us, the only team anyone would worry about would be Carolina at 14.

AD?? You mean AP? Adrian Peterson?

 

[Kaiser Toro]

AD?? You mean AP? Adrian Peterson?

It goes either way. Peterson's nickname is All-Day, AD.

 

[swisher]

fans in green bay seem to be sad to see him leave.

http://www.packerchatters.com/index.php

Kind of reminds me how memphis fans felt about the Rockets getting shane battier.

 

[potisyourfriend]

I was listening to 97.5 on my way home and they had that real nerdy guy that covers football for ESPN (he's always with Saun Salsbery (SP?). They were saying which teams are the Winners and Losers so far and he said Houston is a Loser right now.. Signing an old RB with a big contract.. He said the Packers wanted to keep him but for around 3-4 million a year..

 

[Koolbrz]

just saw on nfl network texans agree to terms with ahmad green... sorry if allready posted

I kinda like the signing because he is way better than the backs we have now and gives our RB position some quality depth. I still believe that we need to draft a RB, maybe the likes of M. Lynch. If AP is still there they need to take him, but i really doubt he will be there. We need some young stud legs in the backfield.

At best we could get a couple of good yrs out of Green. We need to forget about Dayne and go with Green, Peterson/Lynch, and Taylor. JMO

 

[keyfro]

well like i said before i think with green you don't have to draft a RB anymore...you can wait and get some of the better udfa's like a ramonce taylor or a courtney lewis...we already have two really young guys in taylor and lundry...gado isn't old by any means either...if we do re-sign dayne there's your powerback...and then you have the egnima of dominack williams...personally i see dw being released either before the draft or during training camp...but we have really good competition without drafting a guy going into TC...so why waste a pick on a RB when we have so many needs on this team...green provides a quick fix to the problem and we can look to next years crop of RB's for our future

 

[Hervoyel]

So your saying that despite the fact that Green stays in shape, works hard, and has done nothing but produce on the field, is on the down side of his career due to the fact he came into the league in 98, even though is first two years in Seattle he had 35, and 26 attempts for the season. BUT, Dayne who is a dough nut away from playing Chef in a live action South Park is actually getting better even though he has been in the league since 2000, has proved he is a hot and cold runner, gets injured as a part time back, and runs down field like he is the little pig tailed girl from little house on the prairie in a field of daisy's.

Is that what I am to understand your opinion of the situation is?

2005 Green bay lost both pro-bowl guards and played behind a line that was full of rookies. That was also the season he got hurt and did not fully recover until 2006 where he put together another solid season.

Not at all TEXANRED, that would be your spin on what my opinion is and I'd hate for anyone to confuse that with what I said.

Regardless of their respective dates coming into the league I'm saying that Green has 1,871 carries on those legs and Ron Dayne has 789 carries on his. In 8 years he's carried the ball less than half as much as Green did in 10.

I don't like the signing and think it was money wasted. Still, I hope it works out.

 

[swisher]

I was listening to 97.5 on my way home and they had that real nerdy guy that covers football for ESPN (he's always with Saun Salsbery (SP?). They were saying which teams are the Winners and Losers so far and he said Houston is a Loser right now.. Signing an old RB with a big contract.. He said the Packers wanted to keep him but for around 3-4 million a year..

Yeah, John Clayton thinks we over paid him. But what free agent doesn't get over paid?