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Poll: Replace Carr in the off season?
- Thread starter Nighthawk
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ensign_lee
Rookie
Uh...there's no poll...
and replace him with WHO,e xactly?
I know. We'll just run the anthill formation all game. Hah. That'd be funny (not being sarcastic)
and replace him with WHO,e xactly?
I know. We'll just run the anthill formation all game. Hah. That'd be funny (not being sarcastic)
Uh...there's no poll...
and replace him with WHO,e xactly?
I know. We'll just run the anthill formation all game. Hah. That'd be funny (not being sarcastic)
LOL
eriadoc
Texan-American
Well, I said "have no opinion" because I'm not for replacing Carr just to be replacing him. If we can upgrade, then absolutely. Otherwise, I'd like to see the team draft a QB this year in the 2nd or 3rd round and let him sit a year and learn Kubiak's offense. Carr can be the sacrificial lamb behind that line while they improve with whatever rookie lineman (linemen?) they draft.
So yeah, replace him, just do it with a plan and some direction. The "OMG Anyone is better!!1!@!" hyperbole doesn't suit me, but I want to see an upgrade at that position.
So yeah, replace him, just do it with a plan and some direction. The "OMG Anyone is better!!1!@!" hyperbole doesn't suit me, but I want to see an upgrade at that position.
kbourda
Veteran
Honestly, how I/we feel as fans is of no consequence. It's David Carr or bust.
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
He'll be here. I'm just hoping for a rookie QB and a vet who can both challenge Carr.
kbourda
Veteran
Seriously, they are not going to bring anyone in here to challenge Carr. I think the brass already knows they will beat him out. I can't remember being this depressed in a long time. I've heard the company line and all the blind faith from the front office. I'm just flat out tired of hearing excuses, I want the team to get some wins. I'm tired of walking around the city I love, supporting the teams I love (Texans, Rockets, and Stros), and getting laughed at.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
I feel your pain.
yep. this is true....for better or for worse
Great! Keep building around him.
TexanSoldier
Practice Squad
I voted to replace Carr.
I've never been a Carr hater and I honestly believe he'll succeed in a different system. For some reason things just aren't working out here, and I now believe he was not ready to be the face of the new franchise.
I disagree with Mr. McNair and I feel we should bring in a veteran QB and then draft some young talent.
Probably won't happen, but since this is a "public poll and everyone can see how I voted" I decided to let you know why I voted with the current minority.
Go Texans!
I've never been a Carr hater and I honestly believe he'll succeed in a different system. For some reason things just aren't working out here, and I now believe he was not ready to be the face of the new franchise.
I disagree with Mr. McNair and I feel we should bring in a veteran QB and then draft some young talent.
Probably won't happen, but since this is a "public poll and everyone can see how I voted" I decided to let you know why I voted with the current minority.
Go Texans!
I said don't replace Carr in the offseason.
Reasons:
#1 - We haven't given him a descent O-Line yet, after 5 seasons!!!!
#2 - He finally has a coach that can COACH him.
#3 - We gave him the extension for a reason, Kubiak thinks he can do it.
#4 - Kubiak will continue to improve his game and he will be worth much more in '08 than '07.
#5 - We've invested so much in this guy lets get him a freakin OL next year and see what he's REALLY got.
#6 - There is'nt anyone worth immediately replacing him with.(Kubes needs to draft someone to start molding underneath him for a yr.)
I like David Carr and I just really want to see him suceed.Call me a
& pass me a Duff.
Reasons:
#1 - We haven't given him a descent O-Line yet, after 5 seasons!!!!
#2 - He finally has a coach that can COACH him.
#3 - We gave him the extension for a reason, Kubiak thinks he can do it.
#4 - Kubiak will continue to improve his game and he will be worth much more in '08 than '07.
#5 - We've invested so much in this guy lets get him a freakin OL next year and see what he's REALLY got.
#6 - There is'nt anyone worth immediately replacing him with.(Kubes needs to draft someone to start molding underneath him for a yr.)
I like David Carr and I just really want to see him suceed.Call me a
& pass me a Duff.
ATX
Hall of Fame
I said don't replace Carr in the offseason.
Reasons:
#1 - We haven't given him a descent O-Line yet, after 5 seasons!!!!
#2 - He finally has a coach that can COACH him.
#3 - We gave him the extension for a reason, Kubiak thinks he can do it.
#4 - Kubiak will continue to improve his game and he will be worth much more in '08 than '07.
#5 - We've invested so much in this guy lets get him a freakin OL next year and see what he's REALLY got.
#6 - There is'nt anyone worth immediately replacing him with.(Kubes needs to draft someone to start molding underneath him for a yr.)
I like David Carr and I just really want to see him suceed.Call me a
Man you hit it dead on
DatTexBoy
Waterboy
You're not the only one bro!
I don't know about Carr. I saw alot of mistakes on Sunday. Throwing the ball past the LOS.....twice!!!! He's a fifth year vet. He should have better awareness than that. The deep ball to Andre Johnson was under thrown. Johnson had his man beat by a step or two. Carr just didn't throw it far enough. Any sign of pressure & he seems to get rattled to easily.
I don't blame the guy for being so shellshocked, though. The lack of blocking he's seen since he's been here would be tough on anyone. But he's got to make quicker & better decisions with the ball. I'd like to see Kubiak get him playing better, but it just doesn't seem to be there right now and I just don't know that Carr can do it here.
No matter what I think, he'll be back next year. Especially since we've got alot of $$$ invested in him. I agree that we still need to look at getting a rookie QB in the draft next year as a possible replacement.
I don't blame the guy for being so shellshocked, though. The lack of blocking he's seen since he's been here would be tough on anyone. But he's got to make quicker & better decisions with the ball. I'd like to see Kubiak get him playing better, but it just doesn't seem to be there right now and I just don't know that Carr can do it here.
No matter what I think, he'll be back next year. Especially since we've got alot of $$$ invested in him. I agree that we still need to look at getting a rookie QB in the draft next year as a possible replacement.
phantom17
Rookie
Yeah, I know what you mean! I have been a ROXS fan since 1981, Astros since 1986, Oilers- starting in 1982 then stopped when the Dark Lord's henchman- Bud Adams relocated the the team. And of course a fan of the TEXANS from day one! I know how it is to be a fan of H-Town teams & it's usually NOT for the faint of hearts! But I wake up happy knowing that H-Town has a professional team!
phantom17
Rookie
I said don't replace Carr in the offseason.
Reasons:
#1 - We haven't given him a descent O-Line yet, after 5 seasons!!!!
#2 - He finally has a coach that can COACH him.
#3 - We gave him the extension for a reason, Kubiak thinks he can do it.
#4 - Kubiak will continue to improve his game and he will be worth much more in '08 than '07.
#5 - We've invested so much in this guy lets get him a freakin OL next year and see what he's REALLY got.
#6 - There is'nt anyone worth immediately replacing him with.(Kubes needs to draft someone to start molding underneath him for a yr.)
I like David Carr and I just really want to see him suceed.Call me a
I like yer post, very reasonable! On #6- I would draft Troy Smith in the 2nd rd IF AVAILABLE to groom for the future & let him sit & learn for a season!! Nevermind that he's short, but not Doug Flutie short, he seems to have a good arm & legs something this team needs! #3 & #4- this I hope, but remains to be seen.
I really believe Carr will be back in 2007. Everyone in the FO looks like that's the direction they're headed in. I just want a contingency plan to start if Carr doesn't shape up. I really want us to pick up a QB in the 4-5 round; some guy Kubiak really likes in the draft. Rosenfels has played good as well, but I really want a QB in the draft so Carr can understand "hey, my job really is on the line."
brewhaus
Rookie
Carr will IMO play out (or sit out) his contract with the Texans. This team has so many other needs that they can't afford to spend FA $ or burn a draft pick on a QB. AND.....I think the Texans will be OK in spite of that. I am not so sure we are 1 year away from turning it around but over the next couple of years I think Kubiak is really going to create a solid base for this team and we are going to see big change occur.
Nighthawk
Rookie
Well, I started the poll and the results just make me want to scream! Five years and people want to keep Carr! Why in heaven's name I can't even imagine. It just doesn't make any sense to me. He's lame and he's been lame 5 years in a row, his career is about half over, and he is awful as a QB. I mean, he can take the sacks, but is that a good credential for a QB? Is he a leader? Does he throw perfect long strikes? Can he read defenses with the best of them? Does he look off the d-backs? Does he make the most of busted plays? Has he got a lot of escapability? Does he keep his head all the time? Is he incredibly accurate with his passes? How much does he fumble? How much does he move into sacks as opposed to out of them? Just go down the list of what makes a quality QB and see how many of those characteristic he possesses. I give up. Keep Carr forever. Sign him up for a big extension. It's a nightmare! Arrrrrrggggg!
eriadoc
Texan-American
Well, the majority (18 to 16) say replace Carr and there are 4 no opinions. I can't speak for others, but a more measured approach to replacing Carr piques my interest. I'll be sorely disappointed if we do not draft a QB this year.
[movie quote]Get used to disappointment.[/movie quote]
[movie quote]Get used to disappointment.[/movie quote]
I voted to keep Carr mainly because I don't think we have any choice and we might as well get used to it.
But....I would like to see us draft a QB so he can be waiting in the wings with Rosenfels just in case we are starting another year of losing. Replacing the starting QB after the first few games seem to work well with other teams this year.
But....I would like to see us draft a QB so he can be waiting in the wings with Rosenfels just in case we are starting another year of losing. Replacing the starting QB after the first few games seem to work well with other teams this year.
HomeBred_Texan
Veteran
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
WhoooooHooooooooooooo!! Another worthless thread about Carr.
J-Storm
Waterboy
Just keep him and learn from it. Make better acquisitions for better value in the next draft and Free Agency period. Continue that the year after and maybe we will get somewhere. Like someone said in another thread, if the Patriots can pick up good value draft picks, other teams should be able to do it. Find out somehow who they value and steal them away before they know what's hit them and we could just get somewhere sooner rather than later...
This is how I feel, so I went with no opinion, due to I don't want him here, other than to cover as his replacement develops.
jerek
Pro Hobbyist
It's tough being a Texans fan around my office and listening to people make bad jokes about them or ask me what I think about drafting Mario Williams (at least I don't have to hear about Reggie Bush any more, now it's just Vince Young.) It's tough wearing my Texans polos around town or my jersey on gameday and going to the store and drawing no less than three comments in the checkout line. So as much as some of us may disagree about David Carr's future around here, just know I feel your pain.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I've been kind of vocal about Carr going out the door but I'm slowly coming around to the understanding that replacing Carr during the off-season isn't going to make any difference one way or the other. We are a 4-9 team and we're likely to finish the season no better than 5-11. I believe that if we were to start the season over again with Sage Rosenfels, Jake Plummer, or even Vince Young as our QB the results of this particular season would not be drastically different.
We would be slaughtered early in the year again just like we did with David Carr.
We would get marginally better in the running game just like we did with David Carr.
The defense would come together and start playing better just like they did with David Carr.
Many of the same boneheaded mistakes would cost us games just like they did with David Carr.
I'll accept a change of QB next season if that's what happens and I'll be happy. I'm not calling for one anymore because I think we're a season away from it making a difference. Mostly I'll like seeing a new QB because I'm tired of reading David Carr threads and voting in David Carr polls. I'm tired of this one player and his "play" (or lack thereof) dominating every conversation about this football team. I'll be happy to see David Carr go out the door because it will make life as a Texans fan a little more peaceful, even if it's only for a short time.
If we bring in a veteran next season he's going to be a caretaker who just keeps the seat warm for whoever we pick to be our next franchise quarterback. He won't be the answer. If we draft a QB and throw him in there then we'll watch him take his lumps playing on a team that isn't ready to support him. No thanks on that one. I've seen enough of that act already. That means ditching David Carr next season will accomplish mostly nothing. We'll have to sign someone else to keep the seat warm. We'll have to eat contract when we cut Carr.
Keep him another year, bring in someone to truly compete with him and maybe take his job away from him when they're ready. Why go out and find a mediocre QB to mind the store. We already have one and we're paying for him no matter what we do.
We would be slaughtered early in the year again just like we did with David Carr.
We would get marginally better in the running game just like we did with David Carr.
The defense would come together and start playing better just like they did with David Carr.
Many of the same boneheaded mistakes would cost us games just like they did with David Carr.
I'll accept a change of QB next season if that's what happens and I'll be happy. I'm not calling for one anymore because I think we're a season away from it making a difference. Mostly I'll like seeing a new QB because I'm tired of reading David Carr threads and voting in David Carr polls. I'm tired of this one player and his "play" (or lack thereof) dominating every conversation about this football team. I'll be happy to see David Carr go out the door because it will make life as a Texans fan a little more peaceful, even if it's only for a short time.
If we bring in a veteran next season he's going to be a caretaker who just keeps the seat warm for whoever we pick to be our next franchise quarterback. He won't be the answer. If we draft a QB and throw him in there then we'll watch him take his lumps playing on a team that isn't ready to support him. No thanks on that one. I've seen enough of that act already. That means ditching David Carr next season will accomplish mostly nothing. We'll have to sign someone else to keep the seat warm. We'll have to eat contract when we cut Carr.
Keep him another year, bring in someone to truly compete with him and maybe take his job away from him when they're ready. Why go out and find a mediocre QB to mind the store. We already have one and we're paying for him no matter what we do.
jerek
Pro Hobbyist
Another excellent post. Sorry I can't rep you for it right now.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
If we keep Carr and he continues to suck as bad as he has it will be very hard for me to remain a fan of the team.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Huh?? How did ex-Mr. Brittney Spears come into this discussion? It's one thing to criticize Carr, but let's keep it factually based and not some rant about wanting to look cool... Carr haters think that's weak!!
If I were mcNair I would not cry about Carr Haters leaving the Texans Fan Base, There are plenty of people to take their places who will root for the Texans without making unreasonable demands to the organization.
I wish he would have said; You can all quit your whining now, and if your a real fan of the Texans start backing them instead of trying to tear them down. If your not a real Texans fan, feel free to sell your PSL's and leave.There is always someone else who will take your place.
OzzO
.. and then?
Agree with eriadoc and Herv above, I voted with "no opinion" as it's seeming like we're starting out were SHOULD have 5 years ago, work on beefing the O-line with some young guns for recieving / running options and bring in a vet QB to get handled (and not so much win the game for the team, but don't lose it either) while the others work on their improvement.
Apparently, we're at that stage now.
Possibly get the QB of the future in this (or next) draft and start his NFL learning process so he's ready to come in when the foundation of the team is correctly placed and ready to go to the next level.
Apparently, we're at that stage now.
Possibly get the QB of the future in this (or next) draft and start his NFL learning process so he's ready to come in when the foundation of the team is correctly placed and ready to go to the next level.
ATX
Hall of Fame
I seriously doubt Denver would trade for Carr considering they just drafted their future QB in the 1st round.
bayoumaniac
Practice Squad
These "replace Carr scenario" threads just kill me. I'm on the fence with Carr at the present time, but how many polls about Carr can we have? IMO
They all say and ask the same thing....he sucks or he's great! Let's discuss the other players....believe me there's plenty there to discuss!
They all say and ask the same thing....he sucks or he's great! Let's discuss the other players....believe me there's plenty there to discuss!
K
kingh99
Guest
It's a Christian thing between McNair and Carr. He, McNair is going to make a miracle happen. He's a gonna make Jaaysus appear at David's side at a critical juncture in his career and Jaaysus is going to show David the light. A calm will descend over brother David and he will throw a perfect 5 yard strike. There will be much rejoicing. HallelujaH!
Seriously, this is a spiritual toy for Mega filthy rich McNair. He's making money hand over fist regardless of whether another season ticket is sold. Look at another sorry owner, Daniel Snyder and you begin to understand the fan figures very low on the pecking order of people to keep happy. It's a sad joke. Remember this guy Snyder is a horrible horrible owner for the fans but is still making solid bank. Regardless of what his teams have done on the field, he's incredibly successful making money and building equity. Why continue to support this whacked out system? When you have a bad owner in the NFL, you are screwed. Period. I'm outta the Texans scene until McNair leaves. I have come to the conclusion this is 100% on the man and I won't give him another penny.
From Wiki:
"While Snyder has been owner, the Redskins' annual profit has increased nearly $100 million. When he purchased the Redskins in 1999, the team's annual revenue was $10 million lower than the highest grossing team at the time, the Dallas Cowboys. As of 2004, the Redskins' income exceeds the Cowboys by nearly $40 million, making them the highest grossing team in the National Football League. This is in part due to sponsorship arrangements with Anheuser-Busch, Pepsi and Nextel, but mainly due to a $207 million deal with FedEx to gain naming rights to the Redskins' stadium, now named FedExField. Snyder paid attention to revenue generation by adding more suites and club seats, enlarging capacity to a league-high 84,000-plus, and he sold the club seats that had gone empty under the Cooke family reign. Traffic and parking around the stadium have been improved, and there are now two escalators to the upper levels of the stadium. Ticket prices and parking prices have been raised."
edo783
Hall of Fame
Adios
A Texan
Waterboy
I said don't replace Carr in the offseason.
Reasons:
#1 - We haven't given him a descent O-Line yet, after 5 seasons!!!!
#2 - He finally has a coach that can COACH him.
#3 - We gave him the extension for a reason, Kubiak thinks he can do it.
#4 - Kubiak will continue to improve his game and he will be worth much more in '08 than '07.
#5 - We've invested so much in this guy lets get him a freakin OL next year and see what he's REALLY got.
#6 - There is'nt anyone worth immediately replacing him with.(Kubes needs to draft someone to start molding underneath him for a yr.)
I like David Carr and I just really want to see him suceed.Call me a
There will never be an o-line that can protect Carr. Rosenfels playing behind the same line did not get sacked playing the 2nd half of the 1st Titan game after Carr was sacked 4 times in the 1st half. As long as Carr is QB, we will still be hearing how the o-line is not protecting him.
K
kingh99
Guest
that's why mckinney told em to shove it. I hope the team implodes and starts rebelling against Boss McNair. yessir Boss, nosir Boss. I guess Reggie didn't want to work for the Boss.
bigbrewster2000
Veteran
First off just because two guys are christian does not mean there is some christian conspiracy thing going on between them. Next what does your "Christian Conspiracy" and Daniel Snyder have to do with anything? There are two distinct differences between McNair and Snyder, One McNair is attempting to build this team through the draft (which was terribly unsucessful until this year no thanks to Caserly) and Snyder has thrown money and draft picks unsucessfully at free agents for 7 years now. McNair is trying to do this the right way and eventually it will show. Snyder is defiantly in it just for the money and soon it will blow up in his face because he will run out of cap space and have a bunch of old vets with bloated salaries on the team with little talent.
What would be accomplished by Bob McNair throwing David Carr under the bus? McNair said what he needed to say as an owner. So David Carr doesnt get replaced by a Vet next season, so what!!! That does not mean that they won't draft a replacement for Carr in the upcoming draft. Look, I am just as tired of this team losing as everyone else, but you have no proof of this verbal vomit that you are spewing about miracles. I don't see this blind faith of Carr in McNair that you see. I see an owner that is saying what he is supposed to say about his starting QB. What purose would be served by McNair bashing Carr in the Media?
I think that our owner is commited to winning but it has taken him 5 years to find the right people to get the job done.
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kingh99
Guest
Dear Jaaysus,
Please give our blessed Carr the strength to see his way through this dark period of air headedness and lack of big play mentality. Please give David the strength to know where the line of scrimmage is when scrambling. In these things we pray, amen.
When it's this pathetic and the team is getting drug down by the play of the most important piece on the field and management is too proud to change their plans, you can be relentless in your criticism. They ought to go to sleep to bullhorns. Show them they aren't insulated from the consequences of dragging the city through the mud by their incompetence.
K
kingh99
Guest
A lot. It would free the rest of the team from their shackles.
powerfuldragon
Enchilada Aficionado.
david carr isn't some oppressor here only to crush the dreams of texans fans.
he's a qb who looks great in practice, but can't translate that on to the field on game day.
i'd replace him only if we could find a suitable replacement. a high-caliber qb. if we end up picking a qb with our pick in the first round of the draft this offseason, then i'd want carr to start while the new kid learns the ropes. if we end up signing some awesome free agent, then i'd want carr to sit at #2 and earn his stripes.
he's a qb who looks great in practice, but can't translate that on to the field on game day.
i'd replace him only if we could find a suitable replacement. a high-caliber qb. if we end up picking a qb with our pick in the first round of the draft this offseason, then i'd want carr to start while the new kid learns the ropes. if we end up signing some awesome free agent, then i'd want carr to sit at #2 and earn his stripes.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Hold on there Dragon..... That makes entirely too much sense...
powerfuldragon
Enchilada Aficionado.
lol. yoou just made like 10,000 friends.