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gtexan02 said:Another piece of bad news: GB messageboard reports Gado is a poor to average blocker, reminiscent of VM and WL
texan279 said:I don't think I saw Morency miss one block in the preseason from what I remember.
xtruroyaltyx said:What about the regular season ?
dabeene1 said:Hey,
im a big time packer fan and i live in wi. i have never missed a game and know just bout everything bout gado. I came on here tryin to find more out but the new guy just to see everybody droolin over gado.
I was a gado fan just cause he was the only bright spot last year. But truth be told he isnt as fast as his forty times, if he does get through the line he cant outrun anybody.
dabeene1 said:It is true that gado was able to outrun a cb. But did you look who the cb is?
McQuarters, So fast and talented that he has played for 3 teams in 3 years.
He takes to many risks going for the int and is always out of postion which is why teams dont keep him.
He came running up and was out of postion. Gado didnt outrun him because he is so fast, he out ran him becuase he had a 5 yard or so head start and quarters couldnt make it up. Dont get me wrong he is fast as a average rb is, but he does not have elite speed.
HJam72 said:Morency is fast in every way. Not Reggie Bush fast, of course, but he is fast. If he doesn't dance around too much and if he does a good job in pass protection, which he has done and then reverted back to not doing it, he will be good--maybe very good. He's also big enough, but not what you'd call a big back. I'm not happy about losing him at all, but I'll have to see how things go. I don't know about your RB situation in GB, but Morrency could be a starter. I believe he will be by next year, unless you've got somebody real special that I'm forgetting about.
Others will have more to say about Morrency.
xtruroyaltyx said:What about Amahn Green ?
HJam72 said:Beets me.
I knew I was probably forgetting somebody obvious.
HOU-TEX said:Not to knock on the Pack, but thier line is worse off than ours is/was. They've got 2 or 3 rooks starting on the line this year. I don't think it matters who's in the backfield, they're going to get put on the ground quickly.
xtruroyaltyx said:I think both starting gaurds, and their Center are new...Im not sure if they are all rookies though...but thats a good point....
Both starting guards are rookies, but our center started half of last year.xtruroyaltyx said:I think both starting gaurds, and their Center are new...Im not sure if they are all rookies though...but thats a good point....
HOU-TEX said:Not to knock on the Pack, but thier line is worse off than ours is/was. They've got 2 or 3 rooks starting on the line this year. I don't think it matters who's in the backfield, they're going to get put on the ground quickly.
michaelm said:Didn't Ahman Green bust a hundred yards last week? Against a very stout Bears defense...
Xman said:At least we are setting up a stable of cheap backups for the future. A true starter would be nice, but we can address that in the Draft or Free Agency.
Next years depth chart:
Adrian Peterson - stud RB or Free Agent Signing
Dayne - semi-cheap backup
Gado - cheap backup
Lundy - Cheap backup
This is a very good point, the Packers also got Ahman Green for a corner who was out of the league the next year. Good running backs seem to be diamonds in the rough more than other positions - Thurman Thomas and Terrell Davis are a couple more examples.thunderkyss said:Dayne, Gado, & Lundy can very well turn out to be starting quality studs before this is all over.
It's hard to remember, but people weren't always infatuated with Marshall Faulk, TikiBarber, and even Larry Johnson was being called a girl, and a baby by his coach.....
And who is Willie Parker again??
Maddict5 said:ive been away all week...and couldn't believe this story...ive supported kubiak with all his other decisions but ive got to say- i hate this 1
Divebomb said:Tell us, why do you hate this move? Is it because he(VM) played so well in the preseason or because he played like crap during week one?
Divebomb said:Tell us, why do you hate this move? Is it because he(VM) played so well in the preseason or because he played like crap during week one?
Maddict5 said:well there was a general consensus among this MB(including me) that he was our best overall RB- has speed, was doing what kubiak tells him-not dancing(also what kind of message is that to be sending out to other players-morency had done what he had been told but was still gotten rid of), could pass block...etc. just because we couldnt run last week-due to philly's d-line overpowering our o-line (not because he played 'crap') you shouldn't get rid of arguably your best RB because of it...it reeks of a desperation move despite kubiak saying the trade happened '5 minutes b4 the game'
gado, from what i saw of him last year, is honest but limited...hes not fast on film and his moves are limited...im trying to make sense of the move but i just dont see it...plus im down already from last weekend and my optimism is fading fast....to me it looks like vernand was let go instead of lundy because lundy was kubiak's pick and not because lundy was better than him and that stuff kinda makes me disillusioned and makes me wonder if kubiak is as great a coach as everybody says...........or maybe im just waaaaaay overreacting
michaelm said:Couple of points.
1. Do you really think the coaching staff said "Damn, we couldn't run against the Eagles, let's trade Morency!" ?
Come on, man. Give them more credit than that. They didn't base this move on just whatever limited action Morency had in one game... your post reeks of over reaction.
2. Morency may well have been our best back ( I thought so), but that doesn't mean that:
A) he was very good at all
or
B) Gado isn't better.
3. Maybe out of the two of them, the Texans would have preferred to trade Lundy, but GB didn't want him, who knows.
And one last thing. What the hell has Kubiak ever done or said to make you doubt that he's telling the truth about when the trade happened. Because you don't approve of the trade?
It's pretty easy to call someone that you've never met a liar from behind a computer monitor I guess.
*edit* Yes, I do believe you are waaaaay over reacting. But you can take solice in the fact that you're far from alone.
You're just speculating, and I'd be speculating if I said that I knew you were wrong, but it seems pretty obvious which RB they thought was better by virtue of the depth chart that they established.Maddict5 said:a few replies:
obviously i dont think their convo went like you said but i think maybe they felt like they had to do something to change it and chose to get rid of morency because he wasn't theirs....and lundy was which is why your no. 3 wasn't considered
I heard the thing about the ZBS too, but I heard today on 610 that Sherman said that we use (at times)the same blocking scheme that was used on Gado's 65yd TD last year.Maddict5 said:to me..morency is a shiftier, faster rb than gado so to me he is a better rb..moreso when its reported that gado wasnt thriving in the ZBS
I agree that his focus would be on the game, but teams make roster moves and trades all the time between games. He may have given his approval of the trade hours or even days in advance of the trade being finalized. Once he gave his go ahead, the rest of the deal would have been taken care of by Rick Smith. It's not like GK was on his cell phone with the Packers in the locker room while he was giving his pregame speech...Maddict5 said:and sorry..but i think in the run up to his 1st ever competitive game kubiak's focus would be on philly and not on a trade...
I agree with you here, but there weren't really a bunch of better options on the bench, plus, as you said, he was trying to win the game, not trying to avoid the potential of looking bad if Morency broke a run. Also, I don't know if I'd say I have unwavering faith in him, but he has been way more straight forward and truthful than just about any coach I have ever seen, and I can't think of any good reason for him to lie about this.Maddict5 said:put it like this- if kubiak is telling the truth ie-he was traded b4 the philly game...why was he played at all(i know it was limited carries but still)...wouldn't that be putting himself in a very awkward situation- what would he do if morency broke another long td run....sorry if you've unwaivering faith in him but i dont buy it at all
Grid said:Gado is faster and bigger than Morency. Morency is.. "technically"..more shifty. I say technically because he IS more shifty when he doesnt trip over a blade of grass and eat turf..which was about 50% of the time.
Maddict5 said:...but lets just agree to disagree...i think we got a raw deal though
Maddict5 said:whatever..i love the way players go from good to bad when they leave the texans
and michaelm i know im probably getting too down about this...and you make some decent points but lets just agree to disagree...i think we got a raw deal though
Grid said:
Ive been chastising Morency for his tripping for 2 years.. so youre barkin up the wrong tree chief.
Grid said:Morency won me over in this game. I liked the physical way he played, i liked his speed, i liked how fast he hit the hole, and of course I liked his pass blocking.
Morency = 15 Carries a game
Lundy = 8-10 Carries a game
look at any film from last year.
Grid said:The reason you didnt find anything is because I said the last two years, not the last 6 months. The forums only go back to this years draft.
I, like everyone else, liked what I saw out of Morency this offseason. But im not such a fool that I think we cant do without him. And im not so ignorant that I think he was invaluable to the team.
Quit talking out your ***.. I suppose you sit back on the weekends and watch film of Green Bay?
Why am I defending myself? Unless you are blind or stupid, you know that Morency had an issue staying on his feet.
Morency reminded me of Allen PinkettGrid said:The reason you didnt find anything is because I said the last two years, not the last 6 months. The forums only go back to this years draft.
I, like everyone else, liked what I saw out of Morency this offseason. But im not such a fool that I think we cant do without him. And im not so ignorant that I think he was invaluable to the team.
Quit talking out your ***.. I suppose you sit back on the weekends and watch film of Green Bay?
Why am I defending myself? Unless you are blind or stupid, you know that Morency had an issue staying on his feet.
Grid said:Everything ive heard about Gado is that he has good speed. Good enough to run it in for a touchdown from 30-40 yards out.
I still saw Morency trip this offseason..though only a couple times. He was running well enough that it wasnt a huge problem..but he STILL had the issue.
As for Morency being the best RB on our team.. I think people here have done a pretty good job of breaking down just WHEN Morency played, and who he was playing against (2nd stringers)..though I agree he looked as good as Lundy most of the time..and better some of the time. As to "getting rid of our best RB".. well... at one point Matt Stevens was our best FS.. just cause he was the best one we had, that didnt make him good. Thats an extreme example but the point is the same. Id rather take a chance to get a great player, than take the safe road and keep our average one.
Frills said:Gado > Morency
Other than 1 dropped pass he looked good