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Texans Wide Receivers
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badboy
Hall of Fame
If Noah ends season healthy and extension occurs, we have three potential thousand yard WRs
+ Woods in his final contract year + Metchie who at 13/17 and 76% and Hutch as developing player.
Two questions:
Do you think we need another WR such as Odunze round1
Legette or Troy Franklin round 2
Burton round 3/4?
What do you see Caserio/ Ryans doing?
DBs also appear stronger and we have so many team needs.
Do you see these two positions as I do?
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
I don't know what we're going to do. But I expect Caserio and Demeco to be absolutely aggressive in pursuing the specific players they think will improve the team the most.
I have watched this seasons games multiple times and one thing I really like is on 3rd down most receptions are past or right on the sticks. You don't see catches 3 or more yards short like in previous seasons. I don't know who gets the credit, the receivers or the OC but so far it has been a hell of an improvement. We are currently #12 in third down conversion percentage at 42.17%.
I see things the way you do. But you don't pass on superior talent to fill a need. You let Brown walk and spend the money you would have spent on him in a FA to fill a need. Odunze is a weapon and putting him with Collins and Dell would be lethal
badboy
Hall of Fame
Yeah that's the way I am leaning also but not sure that casario and Ryan's would agree. There are some really good candidates in this wide receiver crop in 2024 draft. Same could be said of cornerbacks.
Number19
Hall of Fame
To address #4, Woods has had 505 snaps and was targeted 56 times with 31 receptions (55.4%).
To break this down, 7% of his targets have been Deep (20+ yds) with 4 targets and 1 reception. 43% of his targets have been Medium (10-19 yds); 24 targets, 9 receptions (37.5%). His production in the Medium to Deep range has simply not been very good.
On the other hand his production in the short game (0-9 yds) has been his sweet spot, 23 targets, 17 receptions (74%). And breaking this down further into short left, short center and short right, he had 12 receptions on 16 targets in the short center range (75%).
Noah Brown is our best deep threat, with Collins out. Overall he has been targeted 34 times with 21 receptions (62%). But in the deep range he's had 7 receptions on 9 targets (79%). In the Medium and Short range he hovers around 50%.
John Metchie hasn't shown to be a Deep threat. In the Medium range he's been targeted 8 times with 4 receptions. In the Short range he's been targeted 8 times with 6 receptions.
This is what we have to work with.
And FYI, Collins has been targeted 86 times with 60 receptions. That's 70%. Pretty good hands.
Don't forget about the Xman, Xavier Hutchinson. I'll bet he and Mills have some timing down after playing together on the scout team. Dark horse fantasy pickup.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Right and I hope so. But to date, he's been targeted only 7 times with 4 receptions; not enough to form an opinion. He's had 1 reception on 1 target deep. And 3 receptions on 5 targets short.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Yep they can play catch on sidelines. Well, except for 2-3 times X may get on field...
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Depends on if any more receivers go down.
badboy
Hall of Fame
If?
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Figured this was the best place to put these stats on our non-WR1.
Nico finished Top Ten in the following categories while missing two games:
Yards (8th)
Yards Per Game (7th)
Yards Per Catch (4th)
Big Plays (Tied for 3rd most)
TDs (Tied for 4th most)
YAC (9th)
He had a 73.4% catch rate which was better than any WR over 1,200 receiving yards except CeeDee Lamb. He also had one fumble, with the only WR over 1,200 receiving yards to have no fumbles was Mike Evans.
Nico finished Top Ten in the following categories while missing two games:
Yards (8th)
Yards Per Game (7th)
Yards Per Catch (4th)
Big Plays (Tied for 3rd most)
TDs (Tied for 4th most)
YAC (9th)
He had a 73.4% catch rate which was better than any WR over 1,200 receiving yards except CeeDee Lamb. He also had one fumble, with the only WR over 1,200 receiving yards to have no fumbles was Mike Evans.
Also, 2 drops in 109 targets. Collins only has 4 drops in 235 career targets.
Porky
Hall of Fame
I gotta give Nick his flowers on the Collins pick. What a freaking beast for a 3rd rounder. I thought that pick was "meh" at best. I said it earlier this year but Nico is reminding me way too much of AJ. Big-bodied, tall, long strider with both grace and physicality and who gets open against nearly anyone. He's going to be a hoss for years in this offense.
It's actually two freaking beasts at WR in the 3rd round with totally different body types, each brings his unique skillset, and both young so lots of years to enjoy these two. While I'm enjoying the hell out of this division win, I'm already looking forward to next fall when we see Nico and Tank together again. Pair one more dynamic wide receiver to the mix, and it will be fun to watch.
It's actually two freaking beasts at WR in the 3rd round with totally different body types, each brings his unique skillset, and both young so lots of years to enjoy these two. While I'm enjoying the hell out of this division win, I'm already looking forward to next fall when we see Nico and Tank together again. Pair one more dynamic wide receiver to the mix, and it will be fun to watch.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Too bad he isn't a WR1.
I'm gonna ride or die with this bunch. Hopefully ride, first.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Yeah, looks like he is a #1 after all which eases the pressure to take one with the first pick.
We also have Tank Dell, but unfortunately, he may be subject to those injuries due to his size so he should be used as a third option/depth or at least reduce his workload.
Texans could draft a guy with their second pick however and still get a quality receiver in a deep class - this would give the Texans the luxury of releasing either Robert Woods or the injury prone Noah Brown.
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
I still want the Texans to sign Mike Evans (wr1) if affordable to go along with Nico (wr2) and Tank (slot+). This will help keep all three more healthy or a nice replacement if one goes down. Then maybe draft a flyer in the later rounds but the draft should be focused on defense, o-line, and a RB.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Two things:
1. Evans will be 31 next season and we all know that with very few exceptions, WR production drops off fast at that age.
2. Nico had better stats in 15 games than Evans had in 17 games.
Maybe it is just semantics between WR1 and WR2, but next season if they were both on the same team I would expect Nico at age 25 to get more targets than Evans at age 31.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Agree.
No need to spend big dollars on a WR with the ascendancy of Nico - take a nice prospect from a deep WR class and spend that money on other needs - guys like Ja'lynn Polk and Jaylen McMillan should be available at our pick around the 95 mark.
I started off the season on the hill of "Nico Collins is a solid #2 option". I felt pretty alone on that hill and I'd say most of the fanbase was quite a bit lower on him than that, I even saw some twitter takes in the offseason about him being a potential camp cut target.
About halfway through the season I felt pretty vindicated in my #2 WR take, felt like a lot of the fanbase had joined me there but I wasn't on board with him being a true #1.
Now I think you gotta call him a true #1. He's still not in those top tiers. We need to see just a little more consistency before I go there, but I mean he's absolutely a top 15 WR in the league at this point not sure how you don't call him a WR1.
About halfway through the season I felt pretty vindicated in my #2 WR take, felt like a lot of the fanbase had joined me there but I wasn't on board with him being a true #1.
Now I think you gotta call him a true #1. He's still not in those top tiers. We need to see just a little more consistency before I go there, but I mean he's absolutely a top 15 WR in the league at this point not sure how you don't call him a WR1.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
He's had 2 games in the 190's this year - how many receivers have done that this year?
With CJ throwing the ball all around the park, I can see Nico having another big year in the '24 season. It must be exciting to be a receiver on this Texans side.
Texansballer74
The Marine
I was right there with you buddy. I watched Nico at Michigan. Had a feeling he would be special. Injuries and not having a true quarterback was his issues in his first few seasons.
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
Evans might be one of those exceptions but at wr1 or wr2, doesn't really matter in the end. Evans would have a Moss like breakout when he joined the Patriots. While we have CJ on the rookie contract, Texans can go all out until it is time to make CJ the highest paid QB ever
You never know, Mike Evans could give the Texans a hometown discount
Texansballer74
The Marine
Evans trying to get paid. I don’t see him turning down a mega contract to come play here.
When Tank was available, I wasn't sure if he or Nico was the WR1. I can't prove it but even with Nico playing great, the offense still doesn't seem as consistent or explosive as when Tank was available.
With that said. If it's debatable that Tank or Nico is WR1 on the Texans, I'm not ready to label him a true WR1. I'm keeping my fingers crossed and hoping that he is, but I need a larger sample size.
With that said. If it's debatable that Tank or Nico is WR1 on the Texans, I'm not ready to label him a true WR1. I'm keeping my fingers crossed and hoping that he is, but I need a larger sample size.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Woods is someone I'm looking hard at as cut / trade to add cap space; I want to hit FA hard.
cut savings $5 m and trade pre June $6.2 for a 32 YOA. * Woods as is Noah Brown a first down maker that's frequently a safety net for Stroud. I'm keeping him unless I can utilize $ for a better free agent.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
I love me some Tank, but at 5'3" and 137 lbs he is not going to a WR1.
He's the DeVonta Smith to AJ Brown.
Yep, after watching the last few games a dynamic WR would really make this offense dangerous. Plus with Dell, Collins injury history another wr should be high on the needs list. Think how the offense would look if there was a dynamic WR opposite Collins even with Dell being out vs Woods, hurt Brown, Hutch. It also doesn't hurt that this drafts strength is the wr class.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Which hopefully means fixing the trenches first and still getting good WR value later in the draft.
I'm for getting Stroud the best weapons possible. If that means spending a first on a wr then so be it. Also need to add a dynamic young RB to pair with Singletary. The more weapons you give Stroud the better chance you have to win games. Plus the fact that I believe in Ryans ability to put together a top 15 defense. These are great times down on Kirby.
Porky
Hall of Fame
agreed 100%. If the draft were today I am going WR in first or second rd.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
As long as your wrs can beat man coverage when its presented, it doesn't matter who is number 1 in a traditional sense. Its more about the collective of the group. Before the season I basically called these stats. I think they should go in the draft and select another threat in the 1st 3rds.Woods,Metchie,and Hutch are just dudes,depth pieces.
The trenches will be fine with a healthy ol next year. What are the chances of the ol having to use 2 LT's, 3 LG's, 4 C's and 2 RT's in one year?
I'm feeling much better about the DT's with a rotation of Rankins, Collins, Tartt, Hinish although I would draft a DT in the 4th rd range to develop. However if I could add a guy like Jones or Wilkins I would be all over that. The DE"s are set minus what to do with Greenard? Do you sign him long term, Tag him or let him walk and spend the money on a guy like Hunter? Barnett is a guy I would certainly bring back. I also think that the answer is to pay for Jones and play him at DE in pass rush situations or put him at DT next to WA and bring Barnett off of the other edge. So many options, a great thing.
Also I would spend a late rd pick on a developmental edge to go along with the developmental guy they already have in Sanders. Jalyx Hunt is my guy.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
I would get Jones or Wilkins and still draft Burch(Ore), Fiske(Fla St) in the 4th rd. I'm letting Rankins go. I'm also keeping Greenard as long as the price is in the 15m range for next 4 years. Hinish shouldn't be on the roster. If I can get 16 sacks from Jones/Collins and 12 each from Greenard and Anderson and mix in the rest, that's 50 sacks from my front.
Agreed, however I'm even willing to go this far when it come to getting Jones, I'm letting both Greenard and Rankins go to get Jones. re-sign Barnett and add another cheap edge in FA. I'm also all on board for adding a guy like Fiske in the 4th. (I haven't looked at Burch yet.) I also would look at drafting a developmental edge with one of the 7ths. If there was a guy I liked in the 6th I would package the 7ths and move up to get my guy.
If these moves were to be made then Jones would play a lot of DE in passing situations.
Notice how the defense has been patch worked together with in season FA pickups? Ryans/Caserio have gotten really lucky that guys have been let go by other teams that have fortunately have met the Texans needs.
Tartt/KJ, Barnett, Sanders,Carson Houston etc.... They made a mistake letting Griffin go. IMHO
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Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Ryans has found gold among the free agents already on the roster! Let him pick a few guys that aren't asking for top tier dollars and he can add plenty of depth on our D.
Christian Harris has turned into a starter and will have to be paid in 2025.
I'm for adding a guy like Burks or Al Shaair and a guy like KJ in FA, plus another Griffin type CB in FA. But I do think that they should spend big money on one impact FA. It would make such a big difference in the defense and could be accomplished by letting Greenard and Rankins walk. If you do this you may even have room for 1 more impact FA in addition to the guys I've listed that I would like them to re-sign.
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Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Getting Stroud some weapons will give him the option to get rid of the ball more often - making the OL look good! And by weapons, I mean a dog at WR and RB.
Texans need more plays like the Collins screen pass last Saturday. It puts more pressure on the safeties to come up and fill. Which can open up the middle of the field for Stroud to make plays. So yeah, find guys that can take the short pass and get yards after catch. Austin Ekeler would be a nice 3rd down back. I think Cordarrelle Patterson still has tread on his tires
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Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Tank looks like a slot guy but is slight of build.
Like you suggest, a good hands RB would be nice in there.
Schultz could be a good option too - big target and tough.
I would love to add Bucky Irving in the 3rd or Benson/Allen in the 2nd and add Patterson in FA to go along with Singletary. Patterson would really help the ST's too.
badboy
Hall of Fame
To clarify, Jones is Chris Jones the defensive tackle that's going to cost 30 million plus a p y? I am not opposed to that and I think cap can be adjusted to fit him plus another superstar that I have in mind.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I may be off base but I did hear some radio guys talking that confirmed my own thoughts that Brevin Jordan tight end should play fullback and hopefully the team will work on that this off season. He can do both but a point is that CJ played a very high percentage under the center this year and we have used the Open Back Field successfully. I do expect Singletary to return but I would not be stunned if he is not here and Nick gets what he needs either by draft or free agency.
FA: players agents prefer APY and total contract dollars that makes them look good. Players look at guaranteed money and as much money up front as they can get. I think this is something that our GM will be able to utilize to make every dollar of the cap count. We are not going to fix every single need including depth but we sure can make a huge step forward. Another thing that I like as others have also alluded to, Demeco Ryans and the others on our team of coaches and players are now going to be an alluring destination in 2024. I think this will not only benefit us in attracting quality but also contract negotiation wise. We are now considered legitimate playoff contenders and I think some especially older free agents will think they can come here for a last contract hunt but also for a ring. For example, I have Chris Jones being interested in coming here for about 28 million APY with about $83 million guaranteed on a 5-year deal. I could also see throwing a 6-year in to average money out if it is not guaranteed.
Several NFL teams are going to be tight on the cap and may even have to let some of their quality players go elsewhere. We can now know that Nick will be watching that as closely as he did the wave of wire.
I want to continue to bring in some low dollar vet contracts but I also want to see us reach for the Moon and lock in some outstanding young Veterans even if we have to pay for them.
FA: players agents prefer APY and total contract dollars that makes them look good. Players look at guaranteed money and as much money up front as they can get. I think this is something that our GM will be able to utilize to make every dollar of the cap count. We are not going to fix every single need including depth but we sure can make a huge step forward. Another thing that I like as others have also alluded to, Demeco Ryans and the others on our team of coaches and players are now going to be an alluring destination in 2024. I think this will not only benefit us in attracting quality but also contract negotiation wise. We are now considered legitimate playoff contenders and I think some especially older free agents will think they can come here for a last contract hunt but also for a ring. For example, I have Chris Jones being interested in coming here for about 28 million APY with about $83 million guaranteed on a 5-year deal. I could also see throwing a 6-year in to average money out if it is not guaranteed.
Several NFL teams are going to be tight on the cap and may even have to let some of their quality players go elsewhere. We can now know that Nick will be watching that as closely as he did the wave of wire.
I want to continue to bring in some low dollar vet contracts but I also want to see us reach for the Moon and lock in some outstanding young Veterans even if we have to pay for them.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
May as well go a full blown reunion - they can hire Teapot as the HC and we trade Metchie to them. Bryce should feel right at home
